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Being Fearlessly Out And Trans Is A Revolutionary Act

Started by Natasha, February 01, 2013, 09:58:03 AM

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Anatta

Kia Ora,

I'm not saying being 'out & proud' is a bad thing, in fact those who are,are for the most part, doing the trans-community a great service in promoting public awareness ...However for myself, I transitioned to feel and be treated 'normal' that is, a plain Jane-no frills run of the mill-female...I'll do my bit when it comes to the plight of trans-people, but I didn't sign up for a full time 'trans' job/position... Others are better qualified for this position than myself...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Heather

Quote from: Zenda on February 02, 2013, 01:20:06 AM
Kia Ora,

I'm not saying being 'out & proud' is a bad thing, in fact those who are,are for the most part, doing the trans-community a great service in promoting public awareness ...However for myself, I transitioned to feel and be treated 'normal' that is, a plain Jane-no frills run of the mill-female...I'll do my bit when it comes to the plight of trans-people, but I didn't sign up for a full time 'trans' job/position... Others are better qualified for this position than myself...

Metta Zenda :)
I understand your position. I just don't want to transition and pretend like it never happened. It took me years to get over being ashamed of being tran's. I don't want to go back being ashamed of myself. That would just leave me where I started off. I believe the part of finding happiness is not being ashamed of who you are. :)
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Tessa James

Natasha you are wonderful.  You are so courageous.  I am coming out big time.  One reason is that I already did half of this by being out as Bi for many years.  I am not passable and yet being honest about who I am seems the best overall course.  I feel better than ever and when I share my truth with others they grace me with their truth as well.  I am a publicly elected college trustee and water commissioner.  Hiding was what was hurting me.  I am more free than ever.  Rock on proud people!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Cindy

Hi,

Just caught up with this thread.

I made a very clear and definite decision that when I went full time I was going to stand and be noticed.

OK my standing in the public areas and in the staff and Admin areas of Susan's are generally well known. But I came out very publicly in a very high profile job.

I knew that there was no hiding. That was the thing that terrified me. When I went FT, I was fair game for the newspapers and everyone.

I thought how to tackle and deal with that from a personal point of view. And I hate to admit that the snivelling bit of maladjusted snot that was my male ego and consciousness wailed like a banshee. It kept me awake with terror, nightmares and feelings of doom. I upped my depression meds to cope.

My core personality, ego and belief system grew and became dominant. The depression meds went in the bin. 15 years after starting depression meds and needing them to survive, binned them.

I went FT, and yes the Earth shook, and yes there were announcements that I was not publicly privy too, but basically reminding people of the sex discrimination act that is law in South Australia and what the consequences would be if people could not cope with accepting me, then they should find another job.

So I decided to stand as me and be me and be proud of me (easy that one) and to make damn sure that everyone knew me, and if they had a problem to explain stuff.

To support and educate. To help.

It has worked.

No one messes with Cindy.

From a positive point, I have had people stop me in the corridor and introduce themselves. One young man did so very nervously and asked my advice. He was Gay and didn't know how to come out. Seemingly my stance had inspired him to seek a life. I will help him of course.


I'm very public. I now drive a sports car with CINDY custom number plates. No apologies. I'm in the publics face. I don't stand back.

I was stopped for a random breath test and the policeman made the mistake of saying evening sir please  blow into the device etc. When I didn't he looked at me and I just said. Oh do you mean I? There are no men in this car. I'm the only person and I'm a woman. He apologised.

For those of us that can do it, I think we have to have the commitment to being examples to people. Good examples.

That is NO REFLECTION AT ALL on those of us who cannot cope at this time with that pressure.

I can.

I'm Cindy James, I walk my own path.
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Tessa James

Wow what a powerful declaration Cindy James!  Thank you for the depth of that conviction.   This is an indescribable feeling of connection as so many dear sweet and strong voices rise.
Good night
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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big kim

I was hiding in plain sight if that makes sense.I worked as a bus driver for 10 years dealing with the public they knew I was TS and most didn't care,I never made the papers and don't want too
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Anatta

Kia Ora Cindy,[and others]

That was a courageous move on your part and it would seem it paid off quite nicely for you...

I was never in such an high profile position, so I could and [for the most part] did just blend into the woodwork...And moving away from where I left the empty transition cocoon case, meant stealth was an option, however I chose to go semi-stealth, being open when need be,ie, attending Human Rights meetings plus there are other transgender support related projects I'm involved in, but when it comes to everyday living I'm stealth...

I don't hid my past, nor am I ashamed of it... To be ashamed of my past would be to deny I have children, and this I'll never do, I'll never stop being their 'father'... However as fate would have it, those who don't know of my past, think I'm the mother, I've never said I was-they just presume this...And those who do know, don't care, they just accept what is...

In all honesty I think that many trans-people would [if they were to find themselves in a more favourable position ] live some form of 'stealth' life...If you think about it, who in their right mind would intentionally put a target on their back, if they didn't have to....I don't mean this to be derogatory in any way...I'm just stating what I've witnessed over the years...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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spacial

I can see myself veering between Zenda #20 I transitioned to feel and be treated 'normal' that is, a plain Jane-no frills run of the mill-female.. and Heather #21 I transitioned to feel and be treated 'normal' that is, a plain Jane-no frills run of the mill-female..
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Heather

Quote from: Zenda on February 02, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
Kia Ora Cindy,[and others]

That was a courageous move on your part and it would seem it paid off quite nicely for you...

I was never in such an high profile position, so I could and [for the most part] did just blend into the woodwork...And moving away from where I left the empty transition cocoon case, meant stealth was an option, however I chose to go semi-stealth, being open when need be,ie, attending Human Rights meetings plus there are other transgender support related projects I'm involved in, but when it comes to everyday living I'm stealth...

I don't hid my past, nor am I ashamed of it... To be ashamed of my past would be to deny I have children, and this I'll never do, I'll never stop being their 'father'... However as fate would have it, those who don't know of my past, think I'm the mother, I've never said I was-they just presume this...And those who do know, don't care, they just accept was is...

In all honesty I think that many trans-people would [if they were to find themselves in a more favourable position ] live some form of 'stealth' life...If you think about it, who in their right mind would intentionally put a target on their back, if they didn't have to....I don't mean this to be derogatory in any way...I'm just stating what I've witnessed over the years...

Metta Zenda :)
I did not take anything you said earlier to be derogatory I understand your position. All I meant by what I said earlier living in stealth is a form of shame. It would be like me saying I don't like who I am! That I'm not good enough! But I don't even know if I'll ever have that option I'm still early in transition. But do know if I did have that option I would not take it! I have to be true to myself!  I know being out does have a price. But it's a price I'm willing to pay if it will make life for the rest of us better! :)
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Brooke777

When I started transition, I fully intended to work towards being stealth and just melding into the fold. But, I have found that that is not who I am. I am to the point that I pass pretty well, and I could just blend in. But, as it turns out I have a tendency to stand up for trans people, no matter what route that takes.
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Heather

When I was younger the ideal of living in stealth appealed to me. But it is also what held me back thinking I never could achieve that is what kept me from transitioning in my late teen's. :embarrassed:
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gennee

I'm out and proud. Being stealth was not an option because there are too many folks who may be struggling with the issue. Perhaps by my being out, someone will be encouraged. Let's face it, there are those who want us to remain or go back in the closet, which I absolutely refuse to do.
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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spacial

You can't know how high many here hold you in regard gennee.

I've given this matter more thought. My perspective is governed by my preceived age in relation to the world. If I had managed this when younger, I would have far preferred steath. But the reality is, I probably would have gotten it.

Now, my options are limited, so I need to think in terms of them not being so. So now, I hope I could live up to those ideas as cited by gennee.
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

Some food for thought : :eusa_think:

For the most part, a person transitions to live as the 'gender identity' they have/had always felt they were meant to be, ie, male or female...For me 'transsexual' was just a condition I was born with, which just so happened to decorate my cocoon of denial, it was not my core identity, which BTW was female...

So when it comes to the 'condition', does to be 'out & proud' mean you still identify with/give priority to your 'condition' as oppose to your 'true' gender identity ?

And if this is the case, does this also mean for the rest of your life you want to be seen and known as the 'transsexual' woman/man-where your' condition' always takes the front seat ?

Being seen as a 'third' gender, is ok for some, in fact some may like the attention, however, sadly there are others who wish they didn't have to run the gender gauntlet on a daily bases but have no 'choice'...

I'm fortunate in that I do have a choice and have chosen to live a 'normal' quiet hassle-free life-where I get to choose my 'battles'...

But in saying this, there are and no doubt always will be those who choose the out & proud' option and those who don't have this luxury of choice, many develop coping skills they toughen up, accept what is, and make the most of it by taking advantage of the situation-becoming the victor and not the victim...They are I feel, the 'real' 'out & proud' battlers...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Heather

In the eyes of the world we will never be who we want to be. The problem I have with stealth is I feel like I've been doing it my whole life. I pretended to be male my whole life to the point I was really good at it. But as I got older the more miserable I became. I came out to end the lies and be myself. But It seems if I went stealth I'm just going to go right back into living a lie. Say if I'm seeing a guy and it gets serious what do I do there? Do I tell him? Stealth just brings with it more lies. And I can't take lying anymore I just want to be real.
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eli77

I transitioned from 26 to 28. I'm post-op and legally female as far as the various authorities who govern such things are concerned. I have no children. I did not keep a partner through transition. I live in a different city than I used to and work a different job. And I have never been clocked as trans.

I think people who haven't experienced it, can't really know what it's like, why people would want it, or what the potential costs are to willfully giving it up. Being out because of appearance or employment or location or history or whatever... you just are not in the same situation. You never had the opportunity to make that choice. Don't assume you'd have been so morally righteous if you were in my shoes.

Honestly, I'm not even entirely sure how I would be out...? Like do I wear a nametag or something? Do I go talk to the papers? Make an announcement at work? March in a pride parade behind a trans banner (that wouldn't even work, they'd think I had a trans parent or something)? How do people like me even BE out? I'm not an extrovert, I'm a fairly private person. I don't crave that kind of attention. And it's not like it naturally comes up in conversation. My supervisor at work knows I'm gay. Because that is a thing that comes up when you take time off work to spend with your girlfriend. Hell, I've even talked about trans things at work, because wow are we popular in literature these days. But my personal medical history? It's just not a thing.

Quote from: Heather on February 02, 2013, 01:59:03 PMSay if I'm seeing a guy and it gets serious what do I do there? Do I tell him?

Um... ya? If you want. My SO knows I'm trans. Knew before we ever made out. I'm not adverse to close friends and family knowing. But that's very different from "out and proud."
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MadelineB

I would never judge someone adversely for choosing to keep their gender history, or any other personal matter, a closed book. I recommend to any young pre-transition or transitioning friends to strongly consider it, especially if they want to live or work in a trans-hostile location or profession. I think everyone should have that right to privacy.

That said, I love being out, and I know I have made a difference in hundreds of peoples' lives and attitudes as a living, walking, smiling educational force. "Here is an example, folks, of a real life trans woman- we are normal, we are happy, we are just like you. And there is nothing to fear."

In any kind of social stigma situation, society changes as people (not ALL, just enough) people successfully choose to defy the stigma and educate and exemplify and cultivate allies. It has been that way forever, for all things that human societies vilify and misunderstand. It has worked for the disabled, for the mentally handicapped, for sufferers of depression, anxiety, erectile dysfunction, for gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, for people of color, for atheists, for people of religion, for recovered alcoholics and poly drug addiction, for the eating disordered, the list goes on and on. Every person has a right to their privacy, and an absolute right to not be mistreated, discriminated against, etc due to their medical condition, genetics, etc etc.
At the same time, those rights are won in practice by people who are out there, on behalf of the larger group who just want to live their lives like everybody else. And yes, chosing to be out when one has the option to not be, is a major decision and there is no right answer for everybody. Men and women of trans history are very good at making major, life changing decisions - we have to be - that are right for ourselves.

If someone choses to be an advocate or an activist, they probably have the burning desire to make a difference in that way. If one has the choice, it would be foolish to trade away the joys of just being one of the normal unstigmatized folks who can blend, for someone who sticks out for something that still carries a stigma, if your heart isn't in it and your personality is not compatible with that kind of highly public life.

One of the neat things I'm seeing more of, is people who have happily lived 'stealth' for many years, and achieved some level of prominence, making a conscious decision later in life to come out publicly about their history and experiences. People like that have made a giant difference in other areas where society stigmatized things that should not have been stigmatized, and I see it happening with transgender issues today and applaud it. They benefit the many others who are not public but whose lives are affected by it (stigma/prejudice/general cluelessness).
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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Heather

Quote from: Sarah7 on February 02, 2013, 02:07:58 PM
I transitioned from 26 to 28. I'm post-op and legally female as far as the various authorities who govern such things are concerned. I have no children. I did not keep a partner through transition. I live in a different city than I used to and work a different job. And I have never been clocked as trans.

I think people who haven't experienced it, can't really know what it's like, why people would want it, or what the potential costs are to willfully giving it up. Being out because of appearance or employment or location or history or whatever... you just are not in the same situation. You never had the opportunity to make that choice. Don't assume you'd have been so morally righteous if you were in my shoes.

Honestly, I'm not even entirely sure how I would be out...? Like do I wear a nametag or something? Do I go talk to the papers? Make an announcement at work? March in a pride parade behind a trans banner (that wouldn't even work, they'd think I had a trans parent or something)? How do people like me even BE out? I'm not an extrovert, I'm a fairly private person. I don't crave that kind of attention. And it's not like it naturally comes up in conversation. My supervisor at work knows I'm gay. Because that is a thing that comes up when you take time off work to spend with your girlfriend. Hell, I've even talked about trans things at work, because wow are we popular in literature these days. But my personal medical history? It's just not a thing.

Um... ya? If you want. My SO knows I'm trans. Knew before we ever made out. I'm not adverse to close friends and family knowing. But that's very different from "out and proud."
I don't see myself as morally righteous. I don't think  I'm better than you! But I can't see myself going trough all the trouble you went through. Just to transition move to a different city No way! I live in the south I was born here and I'm not going to run from here just cause I'm afraid of what a few bigots think of me. I'm not leaving my family and everything behind yeah I was born male I can't just throw that all way. Just cause I transition doesn't mean everything that happened before I transitioned didn't happen. It's what made me the woman I am today. And I'm not ashamed of that. I really don't mean to offend your way of life if it makes you happy fine. But I'm going to live my life the way I want regardless of what people think. Is it going to be easy no! But I've never had it easy.
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eli77

Quote from: Heather on February 02, 2013, 02:41:01 PM
I don't see myself as morally righteous. I don't think  I'm better than you! But I can't see myself going trough all the trouble you went through. Just to transition move to a different city No way! I live in the south I was born here and I'm not going to run from here just cause I'm afraid of what a few bigots think of me. I'm not leaving my family and everything behind yeah I was born male I can't just throw that all way. Just cause I transition doesn't mean everything that happened before I transitioned didn't happen. It's what made me the woman I am today. And I'm not ashamed of that. I really don't mean to offend your way of life if it makes you happy fine. But I'm going to live my life the way I want regardless of what people think. Is it going to be easy no! But I've never had it easy.

See that's the thing. People making with the assumptions. I didn't go to any particular trouble, I didn't make any sacrifices, I didn't severe any ties. I used to live in Vancouver, but I was done uni, I'd broken with my then-gf, and I wanted to move to the epicenter of the Canadian publishing industry. It had nothing to do with my trans-y-ness, it was accidental. I didn't leave my family behind. Actually, I moved to the city my sister and my aunt live in, from a city where I had no family. I'm going out to dinner in a couple hours with my dad and his partner because they are here visiting. They only live 5 hours away by car. A far cry from the 5 hours by plane that it was before I moved.

It's funny how people think I put all this effort into hiding my past. What am I hiding? What do you imagine that I lie about? I also have a history of suicide attempts that I don't casually share with acquaintances either. *Shrug* It would take way more effort for me to be out than to just... do the nothing that it takes to be stealth.

Honestly, the only times I feel weird about it is when I see other trans folks in the queer community here. Then I'm like... ->-bleeped-<-, should I say something? But I dunno. I think, for me, the only way I could be out would be if I was a true hardcore activist. If I made being out MEAN something. And, well, that's a choice I wouldn't make lightly. Especially not when I've been transitioned for such a short time.
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Anatta

Kia Ora Heather,

I understand where you're coming from ...You feel to be stealth is just a form of 'closet hopping', out of one and 'straight' into another, which in the case of 'deep' stealth could be just that...It's much harder to remain deep stealth, than semi-stealth or being 'out & proud'...

However for some deep stealthier there're good reasons for them to live this way, ie, fear for their life, fear of rejection by employer, friends, church congregation etc...

There seems to be a euphoric breath of fresh air that comes when we finally build up the courage to step out of the stuffy, claustrophobic, closet space, we once called home...This feeling of euphoria can last quite some time, "I'm 'out and I'm proud !", but sadly it can also be cut short by the pollution of discrimination, rejection, hostility, violence [both physical & verbal], ie having to run the gender gauntlet...

However, one of the big pluses for those out & prouders, is no matter what kind of relationships they make, the people who accept them, accept them 'whole'= past and present and into the future...In situations such as this the out & proud trans-person, knows exactly where they stand within a relationship...

Metta Zenda :)   
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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