The Hormone Debate

[Nero]

does seem odd that the ballence is inverted, m2fs blend easier earlier, and f2ms later. this is more likely social conditioning of men and women, than hormonal issues though.

And I'm not sure that's altogether a fact... it's possible. I'm a late transitioner and most of my friends are natal women. I know some young transwomen who only seem to hang out with young transwomen.

I have a theory on this. Early or late transitioner - some are more comfortable around natal members of their gender.
And some seem to almost go to extremes to avoid hanging with natal members of their gender.
And I can hear the flames now >
I believe those who naturally relate to natal members of their target gender better than they do everyone else are just naturally more male or female than someone who doesn't relate well to natal members of their target gender.

Get your flaming arrows lit >
I just don't believe everyone who transitions is their target gender. Especially those who might as well be an alien from Uranus around natal members of their target gender. They've no clue to relate to their target gender, they may as well be speaking a foreign language.
Why someone like this would transition? No clue. You'll have to ask them.

[Rachael]

totally agree. some people who transition ARNT TRANSEXUAL (shock) who tell shrinks what they want to hear, becase they think they are right. and the doctor is wrong. then come unstuck and either go back, or are so deep into thier little shell that they keep pretending, yet get dragged into the trans community so heavily, or end up living at thier computer.
feel free to fame me too.  or negative rep me. i dont care. this is a truth, good or bad. and i accuse nobody.

[Lisbeth]

I just don't believe everyone who transitions is their target gender. Especially those who might as well be an alien from Uranus around natal members of their target gender. They've no clue to relate to their target gender, they may as well be speaking a foreign language.
Why someone like this would transition? No clue. You'll have to ask them.

And these are the ones the SoC is supposed to weed out.  It just does a really bad job of it.

[Nero]

I just don't believe everyone who transitions is their target gender. Especially those who might as well be an alien from Uranus around natal members of their target gender. They've no clue to relate to their target gender, they may as well be speaking a foreign language.
Why someone like this would transition? No clue. You'll have to ask them.

And these are the ones the SoC is supposed to weed out.  It just does a really bad job of it.

Yeah it really is a shame. Wish they would employ psychics at the gender clinics to decipher if someone is lying to get a letter or if someone is just very confused about themselves.

[Lisbeth]

Yeah it really is a shame. Wish they would employ psychics at the gender clinics to decipher if someone is lying to get a letter or if someone is just very confused about themselves.

Uff dah!  Shades of Minority Report.

[Lori]

Yeah it really is a shame. Wish they would employ psychics at the gender clinics to decipher if someone is lying to get a letter or if someone is just very confused about themselves.

Why the hell would someone lie about this?  I can't imagine that anyone would WANT to put themselves through all this stuff.
There's nothing at all fun or cool about this, it's HELL. 
That's just crazy..

One word, Fantasy.

[Kate]

I just don't believe everyone who transitions is their target gender. Especially those who might as well be an alien from Uranus around natal members of their target gender. They've no clue to relate to their target gender, they may as well be speaking a foreign language.
Why someone like this would transition? No clue. You'll have to ask them.

And these are the ones the SoC is supposed to weed out.

Why?

Suitability for transition isn't supposed to be a test of femininity, passability or matching some therapist's opinion on how a "real woman" should or shouldn't act.

The idea, IMHO, is just to make sure someone truly knows what they're getting themselves into, seeing the ENTIRE range of consequences of a transition and not just lost in a short-sighted "It'll be fun to dress up every day!" sorta fantasy.

Not that I have any personal objections to someone doing it for those reasons, but it's probably much more likely that they'll have more troubles once they switch teams and realize it was really a package deal, and they don't WANT the other 99% of the order.

~Kate~

[Nero]

Yeah it really is a shame. Wish they would employ psychics at the gender clinics to decipher if someone is lying to get a letter or if someone is just very confused about themselves.

Why the hell would someone lie about this?  I can't imagine that anyone would WANT to put themselves through all this stuff.
There's nothing at all fun or cool about this, it's HELL. 
That's just crazy..

One word, Fantasy.

Yep. People have lied and rewrote their histories to get SRS. Then regretted it.

[Lisbeth]

And these are the ones the SoC is supposed to weed out.

Why?

You said it yourself:

Not that I have any personal objections to someone doing it for those reasons, but it's probably much more likely that they'll have more troubles once they switch teams and realize it was really a package deal, and they don't WANT the other 99% of the order.

[Rachael]

the trans communities view of 'therapists are out to get you' has made a culture where you must fake and pretend to be a perfect ->-bleeped-<- to get treated. people who genuinely belive they are. yet arnt, fake it, and wonder why the doctor never told them it was just a midlife crisis..
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[Lisbeth]

the trans communities view of 'therapists are out to get you' has made a culture where you must fake and pretend to be a perfect ->-bleeped-<- to get treated. people who genuinely belive they are. yet arnt, fake it, and wonder why the doctor never told them it was just a midlife crisis..
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And they come in with the attitude of "I'm only here because I have to be," which makes for a lot of therapists who stop caring.  You'd think that if somebody is going to spend all that money on therapy they would want to get more out of it than just a piece of paper.

[Rachael]

some people only are because they need to be... some people can transition and be sane you know....

[Rachael]

i know im female, i dont need someone to analize why, i just want sodding treatment.

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[Lisbeth]

some people only are because they need to be... some people can transition and be sane you know....

There's a common stereotype that therapy is only for the mentally disturbed.  People with that attitude seldom get anything out of therapy.

[Kate]

some people only are because they need to be... some people can transition and be sane you know....

There's a common stereotype that therapy is only for the mentally disturbed.  People with that attitude seldom get anything out of therapy.

Exactly!

And I must admit I went into therapy with the same attitude of, "just give me what I need, I don't need to be psychoanalyzed and judged by some so-called expert!"

And you know what? They DO help. My therapy wasn't at all what I expected. We mostly talk about my fears surrounding transitioning, and how to best work through them, etc. It's not about proving I'm TS or anything like that. More about issues that come up like, "Hey, I have this wedding I have to go to... and I'm terrified people will laugh at me... how can I deal with that?" Or "I need to come out at work... what approaches have worked well for your other clients?" And so on.

~Kate~

[Rachael]

some people only are because they need to be... some people can transition and be sane you know....

There's a common stereotype that therapy is only for the mentally disturbed.  People with that attitude seldom get anything out of therapy.

er? yes? i dont WANT anything out of therapy, but my referal and diagnosis as requireing teh knobchop....


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