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The Tragedy in Tuscon

Started by Julie Marie, January 13, 2011, 11:29:11 AM

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Julie Marie

As the numbness wears off and we see the families and friends of the victims and the pictures of the dead, it becomes more apparent to me just how sad this tragedy is.  The little girl's parents and brother were interviewed on TV.  How they kept their composure, I don't know.  But having lived through many sudden losses I can only think they are still reeling from their sudden loss.

Obama gave a speech at the memorial yesterday.  I was impressed by the way he took the losses and used them to send the message we need to stop the infighting.  Palin is an easy target now.  Her willingness in the recent past to be portrayed as a gun-toting mama, the rifle cross-hairs on democrats on her website, Gabby Gifford included, and her seemingly self-focused video she published prior to the memorial, all made her the poster child for how not to get along with your neighbor.  To his credit, Obama stayed as far away from blaming her as he could. 

But she is such an integral part of the recent movement to take up arms against your neighbor it is doubtful many didn't think of her when Obama told us to see the world in the eyes of Christina Green, the 9 year-old killed in the shooting.  In my eyes they became polar opposites.

But the message that we all need to see the world through the eyes of the child seemed so appropriate, especially in the wake of yet another horrific event.

Social pressure, resistance to change, demands of conformity and the consequences of that failure all put an enormous pressure on those who don't fit the neat and orderly world of the small minded and often ruthless conformist.  The social resistance to allow people to be themselves, to encourage diversity, creates a pressure cooker within society.  Eventually something gives.

I'm not saying this pushed Loughner (the Tuscon assailant) to commit this crime but it seems to have at Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois and other incidents of mass killings.  Yet the stalwart defenders of these rigid rules of conformity, the ones who might encourage their kid to mock the geek, the gay or the otherwise different, stand firm in their right to demand the world run the way they want.

They decry "special" rights yet say they deserve rights others don't.  Their ideals are the right way, the only way to live life.  And when they campaign door to door to demonize the abortion clinic with pamphlets depicting pictures of bloodied babies and faces of the neighbors who work there, they deny any responsibility when the doctor is killed in cold blood or when the people working at the clinic no longer feel safe in the neighborhood they raised their children in.

"It's just one deranged person who went off the edge," they say.  "We had nothing to do with it."  Sure.

What they refuse to accept is when they stir up people's emotions there's a pyramid effect.  The stable people at the bottom get worked up and they in turn stir the somewhat less stable people above them and up it goes.  If the fuel to the emotional fire continues to be added, eventually the very unstable people at the top crack and something bad happens.

What they steadfastly refuse to accept or believe is how much better this world would be if we preached acceptance over conformity, that being different is okay. 

Imagine our politicians, the news media, et al getting together and all sending the message of acceptance.  Then maybe we could focus on important things rather than fighting amongst ourselves and ruining the lives of those caught in the crossfire.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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tekla

In my eyes they became polar opposites

In my mind they already were polar opposites in just about any and every way one could imagine.  But what really struck me about the two of them yesterday was while Obama was attempting to use the tragic events to unite people and call upon the angels of their better nature to work for a better world (i.e. making it external and universal), Palin (as with everything in her life) saw it as one more chance to play the victim, blame the messenger, and focus only upon herself.

That contrast could not be more stark, as it's the most basic difference between silly children and mature adults.

I'm not sure about the rest of it though, as what I see is that a lot of this hate is going down precisely because the world has - if not changed - at least turned a corner, they are losing and they know it.  But that's not the shooter, and it never is because he clearly was off his rocker, as were the Columbine kids, the Virgina Tech guy and all that.  It is crazy though that we let people have access to guns no matter how nuts they are.

It's exactly the areas - you know those liberal educated places - where toleration is, if not practiced, at least given lip service that are doing the best, while the more hidebound conservative places are falling further behind.  Any map overlay of education levels, blue state voting patterns, income, and weight too are pretty much exactly the same damn places. 

When fundamentalist Xians get their knickers in a knot about the rising tide of atheism, its not me they are worried about, the atheist they fear is the one in their own house, the one that is their kid.  That's where that real change is going on, in the under 30s.  Ditto the gay deal.  I used to think (as did many people I knew too) back 30 years ago that it was pretty damn liberal of me to have gay friends.  But my kids have both had gay roommates and to them its no big deal at all, and that's a sea-level change.  For a substantial portion of the population under 30 being 'gay' is a non-issue. They don't care one way or the other.

Where, once upon a time, I might have had to argue with social conservative type (not that I liked to do that or anything) that gay people were just regular humans that deserved the same rights as everyone else and they were not going to destroy anything, my kids just respond to that with a big huge totally uncaring 'So?" and walk away and that's the worse thing. 

Anyway, I don't think they are fighting to win.  I think they are fighting because they already have lost.
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Janet_Girl

And the hateful Wesboro Baptist Church is planning to protest at the funerals of the dead in Tucson.  At a little 8 yo girl's funeral.  So sad that these things are allowed to happen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/westboro-baptist-church-arizona_n_806319.html?ref=fb&src=sp

Westboro Baptist Church, the Topeka church known for its inflammatory anti-gay protests, plans to picket the funerals of the six people gunned down in Arizona on Saturday.

In a flier posted on its web site, the controversial church writes, "THANK GOD FOR THE SHOOTER -- 6 DEAD!" The message continues:

QuoteGod appointed this rod for your sins! God sent the shooter! This hateful nation unleashed violent veterans on the servants of God at WBC--hoping to silence our kind warning to obey God and flee the wrath to come.
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Julie Marie

And how will the floods in Brisbane, Australia, the eruption of Mt Etan in Italy or even the winter snow storm in the northeast be portrayed?  But Fred Phelps and company (thankfully) are considered extremists even by extremists.  Maybe the rest of the fire and brimstone crowd will let that nonsense go and allow the nation focus on real issues, like hatred, intolerance, greed and prejudice.

I watched, just for a few seconds, the tiny coffin of Christine being wheeled into the church.  I had to walk away.  Then I wondered why, after almost every similar type tragedy, we always seem to forget moments like this.  We have gay marriage to fight!  We have to protect ourselves from change!  And we have to fend off the constant barrage of temptations the devil has so deviously placed before us!  Fear of the unknown drives common sense off the cliff.

In a few weeks all this will be forgotten.  There will be voters to sway, elections to be won and money to gather.  Power and greed will replace compassion and love now the focus of the media and our politicians.

As for Palin, she's taken a hit.  Republicans and even Paris Hilton  ::) give her bad marks for the narcissistic rant in her video.  Maybe she will decide this isn't her cup of tea.  Maybe she will try to find a place as a judge on American Idol or possibly the letter turner on Wheel of Fortune.  I'd prefer the latter for her.  It suits her talents better.  But maybe Soldier of Fortune will make her its spokeswoman.  Then again, she may be too controversial for them right now.  Whatever her fate, unless we forget who the real Sarah Palin is, we won't have to hear anymore nonsense about what a great president she will make.

I hope the families of the victims won't let us forget this time.  I hope.
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tekla

Despite all the comments about:
Did Rock music, Marylin Manson make people do this? (Columbine)
Did political rhetoric make people do this (Tuscon)?
What's wrong with our nation? (Virginia Tech).

I'm not taking anything with any seriousness at all until someone really starts to talk about seriously restricting the sales of guns, ammunition and ammunition making supplies.  Any other talk is just ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
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juliekins

Very Well said, Julie and Tekla.

You two are among the best thinkers and writers on this board. Thanks!
(Juliekins ducking and covering waiting for the snipers!)  :D
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Cruelladeville

Sadly stupid white angry men.... are prone to do this kinda thing throughout the OECDs

We get it once or twice a year over here in the UK... Last year Derrick Bird shot dead 12 people in West Cumbria in June and then Raoul Moat in Nov killed his ex girlfriend, her new partner and several policeman....

However within the US - with such easy access (walk into a store) and walk out with semi-auto assault rifles/hand guns... its more frequent and more bloody....

You really do need to get a grip and repeal the 'right to bear arms law crap'..... this is no longer the age of settler hill-billy fightin indian times.

And with an unemployment rate of 1-6 yanks, 40m on food stamps i fear there is more likely to be extra grief & trouble ahead.... as the end of the cheap abundant fuel age comes to a head - circa 2015

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Catherine

Quote from: Laura91 on January 13, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
If that actually happened, people would be screaming about the second amendment. You would also have the usual talk about "if guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns".

There is an old adage that will always hold true.

"If you don't have a gun then you cannot shoot someone."

In Europe guns are rare and gun crime is also rare. IT is time the US changed the second amendment and removed guns from public access.

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LordKAT

Quote from: Catherine on January 13, 2011, 05:19:25 PM
IT is time the US changed the second amendment and removed guns from public access.



So hunters will only use bow and arrows.
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AlexCallende

Quote from: LordKAT on January 14, 2011, 02:23:13 AM
So hunters will only use bow and arrows.

I think between making it difficult for hunters to hunt and making a nation much safer, I'll take making a nation much safer any time.

I'm not American, but I do have friends in the US, and I am very scared for them.  Can someone enlighten me on the wisdom behind this Second Amendment?  Because I think it's about time these gun-totting "real Americans" realize that wild animals don't just come out of nowhere or attack you in your own backyard.

As for Sarah Palin, the day she becomes president of the USA is the day I move...  to Venus.
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justmeinoz

On the other hand Switzerland and Norway are armed to the teeth, and don't have this sort of problem, so I think the answer is deeper in the American psyche. 
I don't know what you can do to stop this sort of tragedy, but maybe a start would  involve  America recognising that large parts of it's population are still living in the 17th Century in a lot of ways.
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tekla

The guns, and ammo too in Switzerland are very tightly controlled.  No one is in favor of banning them - and indeed that cow is long out of the barn - but there should be some major controls on them, at least as much as we regulate and control automobile usage.  And, until very recently, the Second Amendment was read in its entirety, not in the Reader's Digest 28 word format.  It originally had nothing to do with letting people as individuals own weapons (in a frontier society most did) but had everything to do with the right of the individual states to have militias.  As far back as the 1830s' weapons were regulated and that regulation was upheld by the courts.
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Robert Scott

Speaking to the questions about hunting ....

I live up North -- Minnesota and a huge population hunt.  Many of my kids family's live off the meat that they hunt each year.  Deer is the primary thing they hunt and without hunting the deer population would be a problem.  In fact, last year the deer population was a problem and they increased the number of deers a license could get. 

I think the right to bear arms is too ingrained in our culture for it to ever go away. 
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Julie Marie

So there's a problem with being able to walk into Wal-Mart (as Loughner was said to have done) and stock up on ammunition?

Let's see... I need some Slimfast, a Jillian Michaels workout DVD, a baby stroller and a box of .40 S&W 180gr JHP shells.

"That will be $109.42 sir."

The Columbine killers bought their ammo at K-Mart.  I'm waiting for ammo to be sold at the prescription counter.

"Here's your anti-depressant medication, sir.  Would you be interested in a box of bullets?  We're having a 10% off sale on all bullets in the store.  Today only!" 
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Cruelladeville

What i can assure you on is (Blackwater) now called Xe will be only too delighted to supply all US politicos with defense/hit teams when there on there walkabouts, meets greets... or even while slumbering it at home en familie - 24/7 protection when the price is right...

Who'll be paying?

You guys the us taxpayers...lol
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Janet_Girl

We, the United States, should keep the Second Amendment.  But we should just not allow sales of the bullets, unless you are law enforcement or purchase a hunting license.  Reloading equipment can only be sold to a licensed gunsmith.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.
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Julie Marie

Well I like Peter King's idea - the 1000 foot gun free halo for lawmakers - but I'd like to extend it to everyone.  Then if you wanted to carry a gun you'd have to make sure no one is within 1000 feet of you, making long range artillery more appealing.

When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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gennee

Julie, the fifth paragraph in you post is right on. People like conformity rather than creativity and diversity. Change is hard but change happens nevertheless. It's sad that many people struggle with this. I was sharing with my wife that some folks talk about the "good old days". I'll assure that for some people those days weren't so great.

I don't have an issue anyone wanting to own a weapon. It's what's in a person that causes them to do irrational acts. The politicans and pundits, both Democrats and Republicans, need to tone down the rheotoric and start listening to each other.  So do citizens for that matter. What happened in Tucson can and will happen again because some fanatically blieve that their way is the only way.

As for Sarah Palin, this woman is a first class, grade-A ditz brain. She's a know-nothing instigator and manipulator who likes to stir the pot.  What she said may not have set Mr Loughner off, but their hatefull rheotoric exasperates an already inflame situation.

Gennee
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Just Shelly

I was hoping this wonderful post would not turn into a gun issue, but.......

I will not go there.

I just wanted to thank you for a great post. I will give you my synapse of your post.

You be you, and I'll be me!

The Tea party movement always PREACHES about are freedoms.

Freedom for guns!

Freedom to be you, who cares!

That's all.
Shelly
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Amazon D

The main issue we need to get out is that we think the way we do due to our surroundings and upbringing. I know i have bounced back and forth in my life. If we could share how we as humans seek a group to be affiliated with and accpeted by it could open our minds to the fact that all of us could bounce this way or that if the right factors presented themselves to us. I happened to move near the amish because they are the most forgiving people i have ever met. That is their main religous belief. They however are avid hunters and raise animals and use the meat as intended and do not shoot for sport.

Remember you are what you think you are and the more you say something over and over the more you will believe it.
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