I really hate it and would like to hear yalls similar experience. Apparently now, people think Im a guy(finally), but the problem is it just happened out of the blue for no reason since I didnt drastically change my apperance, and so I was screwed cause today when I went to the restroom at college, every woman in the restroom just stared at me like what the hell are you doing in here(I was thinkin the same thing) and then one girl just blanty asked why I was in there and I looked at her and then left...It was great, but damn came out of know where. Living in the middle of the two genders is somewhat challenging, but the good thing is people arent seeing me as some boyish girl anymore, but yet as a boy.
I would like to hear from yall.
Uhm, it's interesting in a way, since I'm only out as a butch lesbian, I get treated as if I'm a guy, but with that comes all the jibes and unkind remarks whenever I do something remotely feminine. And I guess that comes with the territory, since all guys get that, but. I wish people were more open minded. :(
Yeah, if only there were more open-minded people...
What I hate about the restroom thing is that people (okay, women) always seemed to be accusatory--in my experience (back when I was passing), they always used to ASSUME that I was in the wrong place, and then either they got the hell out of there as fast as they could, or they jumped all over me about it. It was never, "Oh, are you in the right place?" but "OMG YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE!!!"
I guess it's kinda hard to blame em, since so many of them are paranoid about men...but, sheesh, I would walk into a restroom with two women in it--I'd start going to a stall--they would freak. And I'd be thinking, "What, you think I didn't notice that you're wearing a skirt and heels? Of course I know which restroom I'm in." I wish we had unisex bathrooms.
How ya doin', Jack? Are you switching to the gents'? Seems like you (and everyone else, maybe) would be more comfortable there.
I've been using the men's room for a little over a month. No problems in there.
I am finally not stuck in the middle anymore--in public. As far as romance goes, I am very stuck. I cannot date or become intimate with people because of my personal boundaries. I really want transition to start so I can start getting ready for top surgery.
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 07:04:48 PM
I really hate it and would like to hear yalls similar experience. Apparently now, people think Im a guy(finally), but the problem is it just happened out of the blue for no reason since I didnt drastically change my apperance, and so I was screwed cause today when I went to the restroom at college, every woman in the restroom just stared at me like what the hell are you doing in here(I was thinkin the same thing) and then one girl just blanty asked why I was in there and I looked at her and then left...It was great, but damn came out of know where. Living in the middle of the two genders is somewhat challenging, but the good thing is people arent seeing me as some boyish girl anymore, but yet as a boy.
I would like to hear from yall.
Dude. I was hit on by some guy in a vid chat last night. I effing empathize with any shock you're experienced. XD
And the kids mom who's a christ lover from the middle of nowhere was with me for the charity thing. I was trying not to bring the me being trans thing up, until someone working there asked, "Who's this girl? Did you bring her?"
I was like gaping...
And it IS weird.
My friend almost thinks I should just go to my first classes as a girl and try passing so it isn't harder later.
CRAP.
I remember my first day of highschool as a freshman. I was really freakin nervous so I had to pee like no other, and I just casually strolled into the girls bathroom like I had done in Junior High. Needless to say the girls that were in there wern't too pleased to see a boy walk in. One of the girls apparently thought I didn't understand english because I just stood there with a blank look on my face, so she took it upon herself to spell out 'G-I-R-L-S B-A-T-H-R-O-O-M' to me. I just left, I didn't need to go that bad.
Now its my senior year and all the guys know I'm a girl, but all the girls think I'm a guy. It all added up to many awkward moments that lead me to just walking the extra distance from the main building and use the Auto Shop's unisex restroom.
Arch, you already go to the mens, right? Its seems more comfatable anyways since the ladies freak, but sometimes its entertaining. I think in the course of one day, I will switch to the mens.
Elwood, although Im stuck in the middle in public(at least I think so), Im also stuck romantically. God, I hate these parts of my body that were forced upon me at birth. And I vow to never use them whatsoever in any way possible,and denial of those abonimal parts has kept me alive so far ...well denial and Jack Daniels.
Devious xen, you should probably present as a girl to classes like your friend said. And you at your picture you already look like a girl. I cant see you going to a male rest room...Its pressure, but it will be worth it in the long run, so you dont have to do it later.
Posted on: August 25, 2008, 08:35:17 PM
Scotty, thats funny, she thought you didnt speak English, aw man
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 08:36:40 PM
Arch, you already go to the mens, right?
Not anymore, man. I can't pass these days. That was when I was younger and thinner.
I plan to be a lot more passable by the end of the year. I'm sooo looking forward to that. I have been in hiding too long.
Quote from: Arch on August 25, 2008, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 08:36:40 PM
Arch, you already go to the mens, right?
Not anymore, man. I can't pass these days. That was when I was younger and thinner.
I plan to be a lot more passable by the end of the year. I'm sooo looking forward to that. I have been in hiding too long.
I hope you dont mind me askin, but how old are you...
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 11:00:53 PM
I hope you dont mind me askin, but how old are you...
I don't mind. I'm sort of a late bloomer...I'm in my forties. I came out as FTM when I was about thirty-one--saw myself as a female who WANTED to be male. I lived that way for several years, passed a lot (I looked and sounded like a teenager, I guess), but for various reasons didn't seriously consider transition. Then I suppressed my identity for a number of years because I couldn't deal with it. I came out for real this summer as a bona fide male, not a woman who wanted to be a man. It seems like a small distinction, but to me it makes all the difference in the world.
That's when the dam broke and everything changed.
It's been a strange journey, and now I'm in therapy to figure out what I want to do from here.
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 08:36:40 PM
Arch, you already go to the mens, right? Its seems more comfatable anyways since the ladies freak, but sometimes its entertaining. I think in the course of one day, I will switch to the mens.
Elwood, although Im stuck in the middle in public(at least I think so), Im also stuck romantically. God, I hate these parts of my body that were forced upon me at birth. And I vow to never use them whatsoever in any way possible,and denial of those abonimal parts has kept me alive so far ...well denial and Jack Daniels.
Devious xen, you should probably present as a girl to classes like your friend said. And you at your picture you already look like a girl. I cant see you going to a male rest room...Its pressure, but it will be worth it in the long run, so you dont have to do it later.
Posted on: August 25, 2008, 08:35:17 PM
Scotty, thats funny, she thought you didnt speak English, aw man
Oh wow...
People really want me to. I is kinda scared again
... Augghhhh... -_-
I still can't believe you think I do...
Wow.
Arch, its sucks that you suppressed it, that must of been pretty painful, all those years... I try to suppress it once, and thats when I became self-destructive and suicidal, I couldnt do the suppression thing, but you did, and for a while, too...man
DeviousXen, youre not gonna want to start school as a "guy" in class, and then turn into a "girl" in the middle of class. Besides, youre already a woman, so continue to let your physical apperance match it.
Its only in a couple weeks though...
-_-
I just don't know if I can do it right.
I was really surprised I worked as a girl last night even. Just wow... D:
I want to, but I'm so terrified.
Any advice?
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 26, 2008, 01:45:55 AM
Arch, its sucks that you suppressed it, that must of been pretty painful, all those years... I try to suppress it once, and thats when I became self-destructive and suicidal, I couldnt do the suppression thing, but you did, and for a while, too...man
Yeah, I was suicidal back before I figured everything out, when I was in my teens and twenties. I suffered from depression in addition to the gender/sexuality thing, which I kept well hidden. But not hidden enough, because I could never quite escape it.
I was pretty messed up back then. It's embarrassing to remember.
When I started suppressing in my thirties, I was much more stable and better able to cope, but I was NOT happy about my situation.
I'm glad you stopped suppressing because I would not wish that hell on ANYONE. But it's not so good to self-medicate, either. I hope that doesn't get out of control because I've gone that route, too, and it didn't help.
Come to think of it, nothing seems to help but facing up to it, working through it, and doing something about it. Which I am now doing. Or starting to do, anyway. ;D
Are your parents still making nice after they messed with you the other day?
Devios Xen, Use confidence! Thats most important, its always about how you carry yourself, maybe even a little more than apperance.I have a couple of guy friends that are very girlish, and naturally a lot of people use "she" for them, and then quickly apologize. THe point is these guys dont even want to be girls, but their mannerisms are so feminine that people accentdently call them she without realizin it. But see you look like and a girl too and Im guessing your mannerisms are that of a womans/girls, and now all you need is the confidence.
Arch, Yeah my parents...i dont know, its ironic. Right before they gave back everything and apologized, we had an agrument/fight and I told them they were goin to regret it. Maybe they fear me, cause that would be awesome. And Im glad for you that you stopped denieing yourself.
Hey Xen:
You've got a window of opportunity here with the start of the school year, go for it.
You look fine, but go get your eyebrows waxed, the Brooke Shields look is passé.
Good luck!
Quote from: Renate on August 26, 2008, 02:28:38 PM
Hey Xen:
You've got a window of opportunity here with the start of the school year, go for it.
You look fine, but go get your eyebrows waxed, the Brooke Shields look is passé.
Good luck!
Lol, I was thinking about the eyebrows too. Otherwise, you look great and there's no reason you shouldn't pass.
Heh. The eyebrow are kinda big. I've plucked before, but I dk..
The thing is is that my confidence sucks. My mannerisms are JUST becoming more feminine too... So I'm being really lacking in confidence I guess...
The girl in me is a mute with stunted growth. I don't fit in on either side really... Girl or Boy. At least not yet.
My friends go off fangirling and just leave me. Even if I am a girl I'm the least fitting of any of them, so I'm never really called or anything. I suck at fitting in, and I don't blame them, I'm my entire life behind at having mannerisms, and on top of it I tried acting like some tough guy in middle school, so crap.
Since your confidence is horrible, you could test it out for a week or so, and then decide,but... if you decide against it, that ll complicate things Im sure...um...are you a shy-type, introvert, quiet person? but in the end, you have have to make the decision, and no one elses' opinion matters because its easy to say something and not have to worry about living it, but its you who will have to live it, so you have to be comfortable enough to do it, but dont decide against it cause lack of confidence.
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 27, 2008, 12:43:12 AM
Since your confidence is horrible, you could test it out for a week or so, and then decide,but... if you decide against it, that ll complicate things Im sure...um...are you a shy-type, introvert, quiet person? but in the end, you have have to make the decision, and no one elses' opinion matters because its easy to say something and not have to worry about living it, but its you who will have to live it, so you have to be comfortable enough to do it, but dont decide against it cause lack of confidence.
I'm really shy unless I am in an upbeat mood. Then I'm social, and I can be ridiculous in public. And thats what I'm afraid of. People hearing my voice.... And ruining my life.
yeah...THats why you probably wont want to be in the middle of two genders, because people arent accepting of that. If you go in the girls restroom, and they know your biological parts, that could be bad. Really bad. And then the guys... hmm... But since your ridiculous when you are social, just play it off! If they hear your voice, keep bein ridiculus and act like you re doing it on purpose. See... All it takes is creativity.And Conifidence
I'm still so effing scared. I don't even know what to call myself... -_-
I really appreciate you helping though.
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 07:17:11 PM
Yeah, if only there were more open-minded people...
i reckon there are, but open minded is not necessarily informed.
Quote from: Pica Pica on August 27, 2008, 04:45:23 AM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 07:17:11 PM
Yeah, if only there were more open-minded people...
i reckon there are, but open minded is not necessarily informed.
This is true...
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 27, 2008, 01:44:43 AMyeah...THats why you probably wont want to be in the middle of two genders, because people arent accepting of that. If you go in the girls restroom, and they know your biological parts, that could be bad. Really bad. And then the guys... hmm... But since your ridiculous when you are social, just play it off! If they hear your voice, keep bein ridiculus and act like you re doing it on purpose. See... All it takes is creativity.And Conifidence
Since there aren't urinals, she should be okay. She can sit.
Hell, I always sit in the men's room and everyone just thinks I'm retarded. Like Forrest Gump retarded. At least they think I have a penis. A retarded penis.
Well I just got back from my vaction to Quebec City last night, and I had some washroom experiences there. The most uncomfortable being that one in the museum, and even though I do not speak French that well, I'm pretty sure that woman in the washroom was asking if I was a girl. All I could do was was grone and stand there trying to be invisible.
Really? Aren't there unisex bathrooms in Canada? (Sorry if you're not even talking about Canada; I can be a stupid person sometimes.)
Plus, I doubt the mounties would hurt you for being in the little boy's room.
Well I did happen to run into one unisex bathroom in Quebec and was over joyed, but for the most part bathrooms in Canada are the traditional men's and women's with no third one for transsexual.
And while I want to use the men's room, I'd rather not explain it to my parents who would probably make a big fuss about it if I just walked in the men's room. I did come out to them a couple weeks ago though and they're fine with it and weren't very surprised. Now I'd only wish they'd stop using feminine pronouns when talking about me.
Quote from: Adam on August 28, 2008, 06:14:45 PMWell I did happen to run into one unisex bathroom in Quebec and was over joyed, but for the most part bathrooms in Canada are the traditional men's and women's with no third one for transsexual.
And while I want to use the men's room, I'd rather not explain it to my parents who would probably make a big fuss about it if I just walked in the men's room. I did come out to them a couple weeks ago though and they're fine with it and weren't very surprised. Now I'd only wish they'd stop using feminine pronouns when talking about me.
Hmm. That is tough.
My dad took me into the men's room the first few times I went. The first time was he wanted to show me what a urinal looked like. The few times after that we just went to wash our hands before lunch.
Lol...
Guess so?
Thats funny though.
Still rather terrified. As discussed before on this forum, girls parts sound different than guys ones...
Quote from: Adam on August 28, 2008, 06:14:45 PM
And while I want to use the men's room, I'd rather not explain it to my parents who would probably make a big fuss about it if I just walked in the men's room. I did come out to them a couple weeks ago though and they're fine with it and weren't very surprised. Now I'd only wish they'd stop using feminine pronouns when talking about me.
I'm sure your parents will come around, but I know that it's enormously frustrating having to wait for them to switch pronouns.
Quote from: deviousxen on August 28, 2008, 06:24:06 PMLol...
Guess so?
Thats funny though.
Still rather terrified. As discussed before on this forum, girls parts sound different than guys ones...
WHAT? HOW DIFFERENT? I THOUGHT PEE WAS PEE AND IT ALL SOUNDED THE SAME.
DO I NEED TO EAT MORE BEEF JERKY?
Do you think guys can hear me peeing like a girl? :icon_eek:
Quote from: Elwood on August 28, 2008, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: deviousxen on August 28, 2008, 06:24:06 PMLol...
Guess so?
Thats funny though.
Still rather terrified. As discussed before on this forum, girls parts sound different than guys ones...
WHAT? HOW DIFFERENT? I THOUGHT PEE WAS PEE AND IT ALL SOUNDED THE SAME.
DO I NEED TO EAT MORE BEEF JERKY?
Do you think guys can hear me peeing like a girl? :icon_eek:
Yes, of course they can because guys are so observant that they know what girl peeing sounds like. lol I'm being sarcastic incase you didn't notice.
But seriously, I'm just worried about looking weird going in the stall and sitting down to pee.
I don't know. Would girls know what guy peeing sounds like?
I've heard guys pee. I mean, it sounds harder, but that's because they're standing and I'm sitting...
Quote from: Elwood on August 28, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
I don't know. Would girls know what guy peeing sounds like?
I've heard guys pee. I mean, it sounds harder, but that's because they're standing and I'm sitting...
Its how it comes out I think. Girls dont get that continuously thick stream I don't think...
Quote from: deviousxen on August 28, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 28, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
I don't know. Would girls know what guy peeing sounds like?
I've heard guys pee. I mean, it sounds harder, but that's because they're standing and I'm sitting...
Its how it comes out I think. Girls dont get that continuously thick stream I don't think...
Well a sollution to that would be not to go unless you really, really had to, then it would come out harder.
Hmn. I wouldn't hold it. Bad for the bladder...
But since it's a pretty subtle difference, I won't worry about it too much.
This two genders thing sucks...
I just went back to school this week and I'm only Nate with my friends. My new binders still haven't come in yet, nor has my package, and it really bugs me seeing that slight curve in my shirts and I could probably deal with it better if I could forget that people aren't seeing me as a guy.
I got "he" and "sir" a couple of times this week because I guess my shirts are baggy enough that you really have to be looking to see my boobs, but today when I was standing in line for food, the lady behind the counter said to the other one "he ordered a veggie pizza" and the other lady was like "...that's not a he, that's a she" and four of them started this whole conversation about how they could tell I was a "girl" especially because black guys usually don't have long straight hair. By long I mean, my hair is maybe 3 inches off my head. It was really rude of them, especially discussing it as though I weren't standing right there waiting for my food. It was seriously depressing, it was like I was just beginning to get confidence in myself and wondering why I really hadn't decided to go as Nate this semester then wham people keep reminding me how much of a "girl" my appearance is no matter how masculine my clothes or my walk.
Even today in one of my classes, one that met for the first time ever, there were these pricks in the corner who laughed when the prof called my name and I corrected him with the "andro" name I've decided to use this semester (Tai) until I can be Nate full time. It was only when my name was called did they realize "oh, that's a 'girl'."
It sucks that everyone sees something as "boy," or "girl" in my case just because of the parts on the outside...
Quote from: deviousxen on August 28, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 28, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
I don't know. Would girls know what guy peeing sounds like?
I've heard guys pee. I mean, it sounds harder, but that's because they're standing and I'm sitting...
Its how it comes out I think. Girls dont get that continuously thick stream I don't think...
I do though... D:
I've heard my dad pee and it wasn't as consistent sounding... I'm confused now.... gaaah...*combusts*
Quote from: Monty on August 28, 2008, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: deviousxen on August 28, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 28, 2008, 07:25:53 PM
I don't know. Would girls know what guy peeing sounds like?
I've heard guys pee. I mean, it sounds harder, but that's because they're standing and I'm sitting...
Its how it comes out I think. Girls dont get that continuously thick stream I don't think...
I do though... D:
I've heard my dad pee and it wasn't as consistent sounding... I'm confused now.... gaaah...*combusts*
That could be because the older a guy gets, the less consistant he pee becomes.
Well I kind of heard that it sprays out more with girls though..
Could be wrong... I mean... I've never had it. :(
Adam: Makes sense.
Deviousxen: Yeah, it does spray out more I suppose... or rather, I think more of it comes out but with me its consistent. And from being in the woman's room it seems to be generally the same. So I suppose it'd be the be the sound of the weight, not the consistency of it.
Guess so. Wow. What a fascinating topic. :(
Um... I'm not sure you really need to think about this quite so much. I mean, I would think most guys and gals don't pay overly much attention to the sound of each individual pee stream in a public bathroom. It's a case of get in, get emptied, wash hands and get out.
And... in the event you find someone who does hang around in public bathrooms long enough to develop, and make use of an expert ear for urination variation (at the very least enough to differentiate between several flows occuring at once)... well I'm not sure being gender ID'd should be your first concern, whoever you may be, and it might be wise to think about a speedy exit strategy.
And if someone goes so far as to be able to assume gender based on flow rate, bowl harmonics, accoustics, angle of attack, seat height and appliance model number... it might be time to pray for a stun gun or big stick, lol.
Hi,
One thing I think I have learned over the past 61 years is that we can't control what others think about us, me. I can only have power over what I think about myself. It also doesn't help to be either or. Around home I dress how I feel female. When I go out, I don't want to be picked on or ridiculed, but I also don't want to totally give up my female self. So I keep my female underclothing and wear simple female jeans or shorts and a tee shirt. If people see me as male they see me as male if they see me as a butch female thats even better, but all in all the female in me sometimes needs the male to protect her so when I need that male protection I give it to myself. Bathrooms try the one seaters. I also have been a teacher for years and lately where I live there are a lot of staff restrooms which anyone uses and females in elementary schools use whatever bathroom they choose.
Also remember boys have ways of picking on boys who don't fit. And girls have girl ways of picking on girls that don't fit. If your in the girls bathroom you may just be getting the treatment that hurts from the girls that many unpopular girls get. When you are in the boys bathroom you may be getting the male treatment that boys that don't fit get. They find the hole in your psychi and shoot for it. We just have to plug the holes and look out for ourselves in a way that don't put our lives in danger.
Any one male or female who walks on thin ice is likely to find an early grave.
Look after yourself, protect yourself, and be happy. The older you get life does not get any simpler. When I was young I strongly believed it did so I put things off. Now I am older I see that life has more complexity and I made a mistake.
This is just an old granny reflecting on life, use what ever makes sense to you.
Michelle
Quote from: trapthavok on August 28, 2008, 07:30:58 PM
This two genders thing sucks...
I just went back to school this week and I'm only Nate with my friends. My new binders still haven't come in yet, nor has my package, and it really bugs me seeing that slight curve in my shirts and I could probably deal with it better if I could forget that people aren't seeing me as a guy.
I got "he" and "sir" a couple of times this week because I guess my shirts are baggy enough that you really have to be looking to see my boobs, but today when I was standing in line for food, the lady behind the counter said to the other one "he ordered a veggie pizza" and the other lady was like "...that's not a he, that's a she" and four of them started this whole conversation about how they could tell I was a "girl" especially because black guys usually don't have long straight hair. By long I mean, my hair is maybe 3 inches off my head. It was really rude of them, especially discussing it as though I weren't standing right there waiting for my food. It was seriously depressing, it was like I was just beginning to get confidence in myself and wondering why I really hadn't decided to go as Nate this semester then wham people keep reminding me how much of a "girl" my appearance is no matter how masculine my clothes or my walk.
Even today in one of my classes, one that met for the first time ever, there were these pricks in the corner who laughed when the prof called my name and I corrected him with the "andro" name I've decided to use this semester (Tai) until I can be Nate full time. It was only when my name was called did they realize "oh, that's a 'girl'."
It sucks that everyone sees something as "boy," or "girl" in my case just because of the parts on the outside...
Yeah, I kind of wonder about that same thing, since people have certain preconceptions about race that if they would expect a black guy to have a certain hair style, but I still get people caling me "he", but thats just cause I look ecentric(my god I gave up on spelling, just stick with math and science) and they think im weird, and then since they see no boobs, they think "male".
And why the hell is everyone talkin about pee...Even IF someone knew the difference(which is unlikely),I highly boubt they would come up to you, and be like" Excuse me, but your pee didnt sound like a normal mans/womans...blah...blah... .... .... blah."
I don't actually think the sound of your pee is going to give you away. I just think too much, even if it doesn't matter.
Tis good exercise for the brain.
Over thinking is a great amazin quality, because I do it too, and since I do it, it is great!
But not everything is worth it, and just have to over think everythin, includin the varios worths
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:13:08 PM
And why the hell is everyone talkin about pee...Even IF someone knew the difference(which is unlikely),I highly boubt they would come up to you, and be like" Excuse me, but your pee didnt sound like a normal mans/womans...blah...blah... .... .... blah."
Hey! They peed wrong! ->-bleeped-<-!
Hey! They peed wrong! ->-bleeped-<-!
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Yeah! "What the hell are you doin in here, we dont pee like that"
But damn if they said somethin ever, that would be a great sistuatuion(adventure) to be in. Imagine every response you could come up with!
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:54:24 PM
Imagine every response you could come up with!
"I'm not a ->-bleeped-<-, I'm merely a man with an uncontrollable spritzing vagina!"
We were talking about this the other day. Really, prior to realizing you were trans and reading somewhere about the pee sound issue, did you really notice? I didn't. Only after reading that I could go, yeah, you know, they're right! It does sound different! But does the general population know that or care??
Seriously, when I've been peeing in the ladies room, I can honestly say I've never listened to someone else peeing and thought, gee, she must be mtf because her pee sounds like a man!! And if women arent' thinking it, surely men are not thinking it.
I love my stp and yes, it makes me sound like a man. But, lots of issues lately and I haven't used it.
I'm going to a conference in 3 weeks. I'm hoping I have the guts to use the men's room. Well, should be easy since my nametag will read Jay! ;D
Jay
My " friend" got death threats for using the mens abd it had nothin to do with pee.
WTF? Men don't give a ->-bleeped-<- about who's in the bathroom.
I don't know men who would threaten or beat an FtM because he's just a "woman" to them. They wouldn't hit a "girl." Unless they're a skinhead. But skinheads will hit anyone for any reason.
Yeah, now this "friend" is terreified of goin in the mens restroom. THey were all like" If you wanna be a man, then you can take it(refering to fighting) like a man, too. Ill show you what its really like to be a man. ...ect." Of course this Drama queen overaggerates everything, I dont think it was actual death threats, but the guys in the restroom did say they would kick his ass if he went in there again. Maybe its just high school...
Men don't care, period. You go in, you pee, you leave. Handwashing? Optional.
More often that not, I sit to pee. I've never been questioned as to why I'm sitting even in a stall without a door. If I am ever asked, I'll say I have a PA and must sit or else.
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 10:53:27 PM
WTF? Men don't give a ->-bleeped-<- about who's in the bathroom.
I don't know men who would threaten or beat an FtM because he's just a "woman" to them. They wouldn't hit a "girl." Unless they're a skinhead. But skinheads will hit anyone for any reason.
Yeah. Tell that to Brandon Teena. (Though, in all fairness, there was also jealousy about a girl mixed up in that tragedy. It wasn't
just about him being trans.)
Quote from: deviousxen on August 26, 2008, 01:23:21 AM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 25, 2008, 08:36:40 PM
Arch, you already go to the mens, right? Its seems more comfatable anyways since the ladies freak, but sometimes its entertaining. I think in the course of one day, I will switch to the mens.
Elwood, although Im stuck in the middle in public(at least I think so), Im also stuck romantically. God, I hate these parts of my body that were forced upon me at birth. And I vow to never use them whatsoever in any way possible,and denial of those abonimal parts has kept me alive so far ...well denial and Jack Daniels.
Devious xen, you should probably present as a girl to classes like your friend said. And you at your picture you already look like a girl. I cant see you going to a male rest room...Its pressure, but it will be worth it in the long run, so you dont have to do it later.
Posted on: August 25, 2008, 08:35:17 PM
Scotty, thats funny, she thought you didnt speak English, aw man
Oh wow...
People really want me to. I is kinda scared again
... Augghhhh... -_-
I still can't believe you think I do...
Wow.
I do too, Xen.
Posted on: August 31, 2008, 05:52:21 AM
Quote from: Lindsey on August 30, 2008, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:54:24 PM
Imagine every response you could come up with!
"I'm not a ->-bleeped-<-, I'm merely a man with an uncontrollable spritzing vagina!"
*cracks up* you're gonna make me wake my husband!
Lane
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:18:48 AMYeah, now this "friend" is terreified of goin in the mens restroom. THey were all like" If you wanna be a man, then you can take it(refering to fighting) like a man, too. Ill show you what its really like to be a man. ...ect." Of course this Drama queen overaggerates everything, I dont think it was actual death threats, but the guys in the restroom did say they would kick his ass if he went in there again. Maybe its just high school...
Meh. If someone wants to beat the crap out of me, I'll let them. But fighting me is a bore. It's like beating a small child. I'm defenseless. But I'll fight anyway.
I think I would get similar reactions in high school. High school is NOT a safe place to be trans.
Quote from: Renate on August 26, 2008, 02:28:38 PM
Hey Xen:
You've got a window of opportunity here with the start of the school year, go for it.
You look fine, but go get your eyebrows waxed, the Brooke Shields look is passé.
Good luck!
I...really like her eyebrows. :embarrassed:
Quote from: Elwood on August 31, 2008, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:18:48 AMYeah, now this "friend" is terreified of goin in the mens restroom. THey were all like" If you wanna be a man, then you can take it(refering to fighting) like a man, too. Ill show you what its really like to be a man. ...ect." Of course this Drama queen overaggerates everything, I dont think it was actual death threats, but the guys in the restroom did say they would kick his ass if he went in there again. Maybe its just high school...
Meh. If someone wants to beat the crap out of me, I'll let them. But fighting me is a bore. It's like beating a small child. I'm defenseless. But I'll fight anyway.
I think I would get similar reactions in high school. High school is NOT a safe place to be trans.
High School really isnt, thats why im glad im not in it anymore, but now this frekin dramaqueen cant pee in public! Afraid of a few bruises, personally I think he should of been witty to the big football players, how beatin up a tiny weak person doesnt really do much for their macho image, but really i think its just he way he carried himself. Cause they never once threatned me and I was friends with all of them. And everyday I would emphasize how freakin lucky they were... god damn them... But besides that fightin is fun anyways...even if you lose.
You know, this is why I think girls are much more damaging then men,men will fight, cause physical damage, which goes away after some time(usaully), and then the situation is done. But girls,no...., they re much worse. Theyll cause physicological damage with rumors, rudeness, ect. which will freakin scar someone for a long time. Man, and although the guys threatned to beat this transguy up, the girls at the school did so much greater damage.
I almost came out to my senior class. I'm so glad I didn't.
yeah, techinically I didnt either since Im always so sacrastic people dont realize when Im serious or not, which is great cause I can basically say anything and not get shamed or stoned for it no matter the level of disgust.
Quote from: iFindMeHere on August 31, 2008, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Renate on August 26, 2008, 02:28:38 PM
Hey Xen:
You've got a window of opportunity here with the start of the school year, go for it.
You look fine, but go get your eyebrows waxed, the Brooke Shields look is passé.
Good luck!
I...really like her eyebrows. :embarrassed:
Lol... I still think they make me look too brutal.
Quote from: deviousxen on September 03, 2008, 02:02:59 AM
Lol... I still think they make me look too brutal.
well then they're horrible! go wax them right away! or something like that. hehe