Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 02, 2013, 08:01:48 PM
I think it depends on who you're talking to. I DO have a cis girlfriend who has only been with cis dudes before me and she sees me completely as male DESPITE the face that there is no penis. I know many other dudes in the same situation as me or have been at one time. Not all women will not see us as "normal". That's a gross generalization.

Well then tell that to all the girls who have rejected me soley because I don't ave something dangling between my legs

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 03, 2013, 02:21:15 PM
Brandon, its the "all" and "no one"  and other exaggerated statements that you are making that are being disagreed with.  Nobody said that all or even most or even 10% of girls will see you as normal, just that not all girls will not see you as normal.

This.

Brandon, to say that ALL girls won't see you as normal is an exaggerated statement. That has not been my experience and other trans guys wil tell you the same thing. Change who you talk to.

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 03, 2013, 02:21:15 PM
Brandon, its the "all" and "no one"  and other exaggerated statements that you are making that are being disagreed with.  Nobody said that all or even most or even 10% of girls will see you as normal, just that not all girls will not see you as normal.

Yea well its getting hard to believe

Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 03, 2013, 02:45:43 PM
This.

Brandon, to say that ALL girls won't see you as normal is an exaggerated statement. That has not been my experience and other trans guys wil tell you the same thing. Change who you talk to.

Thats the problem I don't talk to girls like relationship wise because I always get rejected because I don't have a dick, Know because thats the only reason I get rejected by girls I believe that it will happen know, Its like the fact that Ive been called ugly all my damn life know I believe it even if a cute girl says Im cute

All my girlfriends/ relationships/onenight stands have been cis girls.( as far as I know) And I mean not to say that some of them didn't make it (5% or less) because I wasn't a bio dude. But I mean if that is all a woman cares about then is she really worth having? My girl now has been exclusively with bio men before me but is not complaining in the bed room ( if you get my drift with out being too graphic) there are objects that make up for not having the original plumbing. Objects that can stay hard for hours ( wink wink nudge nudge) . Yeah not having Penis sucks sometimes but that shouldn't be the defining factor in a relationship IMO. And in my experience it hardly ever is.

Quote from: thatboyfresh on September 03, 2013, 04:01:04 PM
All my girlfriends/ relationships/onenight stands have been cis girls.( as far as I know) And I mean not to say that some of them didn't make it (5% or less) because I wasn't a bio dude. But I mean if that is all a woman cares about then is she really worth having? My girl now has been exclusively with bio men before me but is not complaining in the bed room ( if you get my drift with out being too graphic) there are objects that make up for not having the original plumbing. Objects that can stay hard for hours ( wink wink nudge nudge) . Yeah not having Penis sucks sometimes but that shouldn't be the defining factor in a relationship IMO. And in my experience it hardly ever is.

Ok yea but I want a real one not a fake one, Something thats attached to me, No offence to people who use straps or and type of pack and plays, But what am I gonna feel with that nothing, Not trying to be real graphic but I want to be able to feel her durning intercourse, Shes getting all the pleasure and Im not, Its not the real hing going in her its fake, And I will never be able to procreate

Quote from: Brandon on September 03, 2013, 04:09:54 PM

Ok yea but I want a real one not a fake one, Something thats attached to me, No offence to people who use straps or and type of pack and plays, But what am I gonna feel with that nothing, Not trying to be real graphic but I want to be able to feel her durning intercourse, Shes getting all the pleasure and Im not, Its not the real hing going in her its fake, And I will never be able to procreate

I think you should take a while to read all the options out there to trans guys. There are medical surgeries and procedures to make having a penis possible . One that is attached and has feelings and can be used for intercourse. I suggest you google it. Also there are ways to procreate as well. Even if it isn't with male produced sperm. If it is something that is really important to you. Look it up as well.

Quote from: thatboyfresh on September 03, 2013, 04:33:39 PM
I think you should take a while to read all the options out there to trans guys. There are medical surgeries and procedures to make having a penis possible . One that is attached and has feelings and can be used for intercourse. I suggest you google it. Also there are ways to procreate as well. Even if it isn't with male produced sperm. If it is something that is really important to you. Look it up as well.

I already looked at the surgery options, They really don't grab my interest, And I want my own biological kids, I'd like to see my wife on day give birth, Its so much better than adopting, And I don't want anybody elses sperm going into my girlfriend, We have a long way to go before the perfct it,  And what I ment was I wish I was born with one instead of having o go through the ->-bleeped-<- im going through know to get one

Quote from: Brandon on September 03, 2013, 04:09:54 PM

Ok yea but I want a real one not a fake one, Something thats attached to me, No offence to people who use straps or and type of pack and plays, But what am I gonna feel with that nothing, Not trying to be real graphic but I want to be able to feel her durning intercourse, Shes getting all the pleasure and Im not, Its not the real hing going in her its fake, And I will never be able to procreate

if you're concerned about feeling it during sex, i'd consider getting the gen 2 peecock if you have the money saved up. i have it and it actually works, it's amazing. many cis guys can't procreate either. but scientists are experimenting with procedures that turn bone marrow into sperm, so trans guy and cis girl couples can have biological children. if you want you should look it up, it's really interesting.

I mean feel my whole penis go in her Ive heard of the gen 2 but it does not match my skin tone, As a black guy its hard to find my tone because we have alot of different skin tones, And again I know theirs erection rod but again its not mines sex would just make me to uncomfortable

I can't speak for your own dysphoria, but trust me, you can feel sex with a strap-on.  Don't write it off just because you don't think it would feel right.  I don't think I'd grinned so much in my life before (and then promptly fell asleep but... yeah).

Quote from: AlexanderC on September 03, 2013, 06:21:46 PM
I can't speak for your own dysphoria, but trust me, you can feel sex with a strap-on.  Don't write it off just because you don't think it would feel right.  I don't think I'd grinned so much in my life before (and then promptly fell asleep but... yeah).

Ita not how I want it to feel though

Brandon - you seem so bent on shooting down every option with all your posts.

You can't change the fact you don't have a perfect, biological male downstairs; 100% that is true. Who cares what some random girls in your HS think about that? They won't matter as soon as you graduate. People with actual experience dating cis women are telling you that it is possible. I could link to you 10 videos of ftm guys interviewing their hot girlfriends about what it is like to date a trans guy.

Branch out. Find a local GLBT resource in your area and meet those people.

Focus like a laser on a goal to distract yourself. You said you are working to get on T? I would talk to a therapist as part of this process. You seem to have so much anger and self hatred built up inside of you - it will get better, I promise. You don't need to tackle every problem about this all at once - In fact, you can't.

Quote from: Brandon on September 03, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
I already looked at the surgery options, They really don't grab my interest, And I want my own biological kids, I'd like to see my wife on day give birth, Its so much better than adopting, And I don't want anybody elses sperm going into my girlfriend, We have a long way to go before the perfct it,  And what I ment was I wish I was born with one instead of having o go through the ->-bleeped-<- im going through know to get one

I am pretty sure almost every single trans guy feels this way. ( Though I in no way speak for anyone but myself) That they wish they were born with the right parts. But there are even Cis Males who ,
-Can't have their own Biological kids
-Do not have/ or have deformed genitals preventing intercourse from birth defects or other accidents . I know this does not make your problems any less real to you. Their is a realization that you can not go back in time and change the way you were born. All you can do is move forward and build on what you have now. Also you said you want something real, attached to you and you can use as a fully functioning penis. Curious to know how does phalloplasty not grab you're interest?

Quote from: thatboyfresh on September 03, 2013, 06:31:19 PM
I am pretty sure almost every single trans guy feels this way. ( Though I in no way speak for anyone but myself) That they wish they were born with the right parts. But there are even Cis Males who ,
-Can't have their own Biological kids
-Do not have/ or have deformed genitals preventing intercourse from birth defects or other accidents . I know this does not make your problems any less real to you. Their is a realization that you can not go back in time and change the way you were born. All you can do is move forward and build on what you have now. Also you said you want something real, attached to you and you can use as a fully functioning penis. Curious to know how does phalloplasty not grab you're interest?

Phalloplasty doesnt grab my interest because It doesnt look that real, I cant cum, And I cant get my own erections, Thats why,I don't like it

Quote from: spacerace on September 03, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
Brandon - you seem so bent on shooting down every option with all your posts.

You can't change the fact you don't have a perfect, biological male downstairs; 100% that is true. Who cares what some random girls in your HS think about that? They won't matter as soon as you graduate. People with actual experience dating cis women are telling you that it is possible. I could link to you 10 videos of ftm guys interviewing their hot girlfriends about what it is like to date a trans guy.

Branch out. Find a local GLBT resource in your area and meet those people.

Focus like a laser on a goal to distract yourself. You said you are working to get on T? I would talk to a therapist as part of this process. You seem to have so much anger and self hatred built up inside of you - it will get better, I promise. You don't need to tackle every problem about this all at once - In fact, you can't.

Dude I cant do anything because my mom doesnt support me, Do you not get it im ass out until m older

Quote from: Brandon on September 03, 2013, 08:43:32 PM

Dude I cant do anything because my mom doesnt support me, Do you not get it im ass out until m older

You said this is another thread...

Quote from: Brandon on September 03, 2013, 04:32:41 PM
Im already trying to work to pay for T

That seems like a goal to me.

People keep trying to tell you it will get better - you don't seem open to any option, you just want to be negative. If you want support, we are here to give it - but insulting people's bottom surgery and repeatedly denying a trans guy can have a chance with a cis girl despite all evidence otherwise is not helpful to you or the people trying to give you advice

High school does not matter. Really. I promise. It will end.

Quote from: spacerace on September 03, 2013, 08:47:42 PM

You said this is another thread...

That seems like a goal to me.

People keep trying to tell you it will get better - you don't seem open to any option, you just want to be negative. If you want support, we are here to give it - but insulting people's bottom surgery and repeatedly denying a trans guy can have a chance with a cis girl despite all evidence otherwise is not helpful to you or the people trying to give you advice

High school does not matter. Really. I promise. It will end.

Well you probaly have support, And Im not insulting bottom surgery for ftms just because I think they can do better, You try getting negative stuff constantly thrown at you eventually you start to believe negative

Quote from: spacerace on September 03, 2013, 08:47:42 PM

You said this is another thread...

That seems like a goal to me.

People keep trying to tell you it will get better - you don't seem open to any option, you just want to be negative. If you want support, we are here to give it - but insulting people's bottom surgery and repeatedly denying a trans guy can have a chance with a cis girl despite all evidence otherwise is not helpful to you or the people trying to give you advice

High school does not matter. Really. I promise. It will end.

And highschool matters to me may not to you but it does to me.

It seems like you have some very deep routed ideals on what is and what makes a man. This is not a bad thing but I think your first step before you go for T would to see a gender therapist or counselor. T is not going to make you a man, it wont make you produce semen or be able to have kids or magically have a penis.  What your asking for is not at this time possible. Of course surgeries are only becoming better and more advanced but you have to learn that these things arn't going to just happen. Like I said even though you've been dealt a tough hand those are the only cards you can use. I would do like someone before me posted and get involved in local LGBTQ groups and "branch out" high school is not going to last for the rest of your life. You can't change people's minds. If they decide they want to view you as female there is nothing you can do to force them to think other wise even though it is frustrating . I don't have ANY support of my family. Matter of fact I live across the Country from them and hardly speak to them. I have a baby sister who I haven't even met yet because if it.