Quote from: FalseHybridPrincess on April 25, 2014, 11:31:28 AM
@ltl

In the first pick you look female to me , in the second kinda androgynous...

Im pretty sure that a hairstyle with bangs would look great on you and help you pass better...

btw those racoon eyes look cute

Thanks for the feedback, especially for the honesty. I think I still look andro too.  I'm getting a bit worried about whether or not I'll ever leave this stage.  It's my biggest concern as I don't think I'll ever really pass.  Well, thanks for the compliment on my racoon eyes, but they drive me crazy and never go away.  It's the bane of my existence, lol.  Thanks again.

Quote from: learningtolive on April 25, 2014, 11:27:09 AM
Warning: Hot Mess Alert!!!

20140425_114514 by LTL89

Androgynous similar to me. Makeup will tip you easily over to the feminine side.

I do see some mustache growth, that has to go. Otherwise you're in the top 15% in this place! Thumbs up!

How long on HRT?

Oh and a flat iron will really finish you!

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 25, 2014, 11:40:42 AM
Androgynous similar to me. Makeup will tip you easily over to the feminine side.

I do see some mustache growth, that has to go. Otherwise you're in the top 15% in this place! Thumbs up!

How long on HRT?

Oh and a flat iron will really finish you!

Yeah, I didn't shave this morning until after the photos were taken.  And usually I use a flat iron after showering, though not in this pick.  Like I said, hot mess,lol.

I started Estrogen in June and Spiro in July.  However, the doses were on the lower side, and I didn't get my current dose (that actually works) until Ocotober.

I would be fine with being andro if it hasn't been so long that I started on hrt.  I feel like this is my plateu and that I'll never leave the andro mode.  My sister was warning me of this today, so I'm just seeing what others think.  I just want to be able to leave this place and be 100 percent female looking without even needing effort, ya know?  But I don't think that's to happen.

Thanks for the top 15 percent comment.  I don't agree with that assesment, but it's nice of you to say. 

Taking into consideration you're pre-hrt, you look amazing! You look like a woman to me. You just got a bit of discolouration and others things others mentioned, but I am surprised, you look very good!

learning, give it a full year. I actually see a lot of you in me lol. How about glasses?

Your hair have highlights?

Also what's up with your dark circles? I get that too a lot from sleep issues. But I wonder how that effects your passability.

Quote from: learningtolive on April 25, 2014, 11:36:25 AM
Thanks for the feedback, especially for the honesty. I think I still look andro too.  I'm getting a bit worried about whether or not I'll ever leave this stage.  It's my biggest concern as I don't think I'll ever really pass.  Well, thanks for the compliment on my racoon eyes, but they drive me crazy and never go away.  It's the bane of my existence, lol.  Thanks again.

Well Im in the same stage too
I dunno ,,,maybe one day this stage will end sometimes it really gets me down too, to be honest...
but im telling you im sure you pass to some people at least...
for example when I go out some people sir me some people ma'am me , especially when im with girls...so that helps I guess...
I guess we need to wait...

Why would I want to have black circles under my eyes? is it somekind of fetish XD

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 25, 2014, 11:53:33 AM
learning, give it a full year. I actually see a lot of you in me lol. How about glasses?

Your hair have highlights?

Also what's up with your dark circles? I get that too a lot from sleep issues. But I wonder how that effects your passability.

By June it will be a year, so I guess that's fine anyway.  I'll go full time by the Summer as long as I can leave this andro nightmare.  I hope that will happen.

I don't have glasses

My hair has some natural highlights to it.  I do plan on getting light brown hightlights once I go full time.  While I'm living as a boy that would be a bit too weird, lol.

I don't know.  I'm always like this.  I look like I'm constantly tired (which I am) or drugged out or something.  I hate it, but that's how I look like without concealer.

Quote from: FalseHybridPrincess on April 25, 2014, 11:56:43 AM
Well Im in the same stage too
I dunno ,,,maybe one day this stage will end sometimes it really gets me down too, to be honest...
but im telling you im sure you pass to some people at least...
for example when I go out some people sir me some people ma'am me , especially when im with girls...so that helps I guess...
I guess we need to wait...

Why would I want to have black circles under my eyes? is it somekind of fetish XD

Yeah, I do pass to some people, but I want to pass like all the time.  And I'd like to do that effortlessly and not feel like I have to put on a costume to be myself.   Sorry you are going through it too.  It sucks.  The problem with me is I've been on hrt for a while.

I don't know why anyone would want black circles, lol.  It's horrible, but I can't get rid of it. 

I don't know if this is what you have ,but I knew a girl once with that condition of the eye's and it was because of the veins, you can get rid of it with laser

Quote from: stephaniec on April 25, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
I don't know if this is what you have ,but I knew a girl once with that condition of the eye's and it was because of the veins, you can get rid of it with laser

I know, it's really bad.  Probably is something like that or the fact that I haven't had natural sleep without medication in quite some time.  In any case, concealer works very well.  Most girls depend on makeup, so I guess the same is true for me.

By the way, does anyone have any tips that can help me pass?  Besides makeup and the obvious, I am open to ideas.  I need to get passed this sometime soon. 


@ Chic, your posts look good for someone pre-hrt.  I'm sure you'll do really good!

LTL, I like the pictures.  You look female to me.

Quote from: Kimberley Beauregard on April 25, 2014, 01:10:17 PM
LTL, I like the pictures.  You look female to me.

Thanks.  It does make me feel good to hear that.  I still feel like I look andro, but at least it's not as bad as I make it.  Maybe I will have hope in the future.  I just hope this isn't as good as it gets.  My family keeps telling me not to get to hopeful and that I will have to deal with the fact that people will see me as a guy.  They may be right, but hearing things like this makes me feel better and gives me hope that I'll somewhat pass in a little time.

I feel like posting here too , mainly because Im in a really really wierd situation right now...
So when I go out somepeople gender me male some female , even if they hear my rather masculine voice...
When I look in the mirror I sometimes see a girl and sometimes a guy,,,you can imagine the dysphoria I get when I see a guy and the euphoria when I see a girl ...
Please give me honest opinions I want to know the truth...
Im not even trying to present female but I want to know wth does my appearance resemble...
these pics are make up free...unlike most pics that I have posted here,,,I consider this to be my androgynous mode
though I believe I look more masculine in pics than I normally do...

this one is with nicely done hair ready to go out


this one just a casual


and another casual


I really dont know how I look please help me understand

The first pic is very female looking and the other two are feminine andro leaning (emphasis on feminine).  I think you will be fine.  You are very early in the game and still having great results.  You have my envy, lol. 

I know how the andro stage feels.  The desire to just be able to look like you at all times with no effort, yet the mirror beats you down.  It sucks and it's awkward feeling, but you won't be there forever from what I can tell in these pics.  I really do think you'll be okay. 

Quote from: learningtolive on April 25, 2014, 01:30:45 PM
The first pic is very female looking and the other two are feminine andro leaning (emphasis on feminine).  I think you will be fine.  You are very early in the game and still having great results.  You have my envy, lol. 

I know how the andro stage feels.  The desire to just be able to look like you at all times with no effort, yet the mirror beats you down.  It sucks and it's awkward feeling, but you won't be there forever from what I can tell in these pics.  I really do think you'll be okay.

Every cis-girl in the world feels like that! But very, very few are so pretty, so naturally that they can look the way they want without any effort. So, I don't know if this is any consolation, but you girls are not alone!

Quote from: Carlita on April 25, 2014, 01:35:15 PM
Every cis-girl in the world feels like that! But very, very few are so pretty, so naturally that they can look the way they want without any effort. So, I don't know if this is any consolation, but you girls are not alone!

Beauty is hard work   

Quote from: FalseHybridPrincess on April 25, 2014, 01:25:13 PM
and another casual


I really dont know how I look please help me understand

How long have you been on HRT? I think if your face puffed out just a liiiitttlle bit in a HRT sort of way, you'll look more fem and softer.

Quote from: learningtolive on April 25, 2014, 01:30:45 PM
The first pic is very female looking and the other two are feminine andro leaning (emphasis on feminine).  I think you will be fine.  You are very early in the game and still having great results.  You have my envy, lol. 

I know how the andro stage feels.  The desire to just be able to look like you at all times with no effort, yet the mirror beats you down.  It sucks and it's awkward feeling, but you won't be there forever from what I can tell in these pics.  I really do think you'll be okay.

thanks for the reply , I really hope I ll get out of the andro stage soon...

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 25, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
How long have you been on HRT? I think if your face puffed out just a liiiitttlle bit in a HRT sort of way, you'll look more fem and softer.

4 months and 10 days on hrt
I now its still early , I reaaally hope I ll change more

Quote from: FalseHybridPrincess on April 25, 2014, 05:45:14 PM
thanks for the reply , I really hope I ll get out of the andro stage soon...

4 months and 10 days on hrt
I now its still early , I reaaally hope I ll change more

It's very early.  I mean may not have even reached your final dosage.  The first few months for me were experimentation and slight increases.  Honestly, from what I can see here, I wouldn't worry at all about passing.  Of course, we can't forsee everything.

Quote from: learningtolive on April 25, 2014, 11:27:09 AM
20140425_114514 by LTL89

20140425_114616 by LTL89, on Flickr

I feel that you would be passable - but I know you had trouble last time you went out andro/gender neutral. If you want to pass as female though try using some make up, you look a bit tired and there is some beard shadow which make up should deal with and make a huge difference; your hair is nice but could do with some styling perhaps; your eyebrows could possibly do with some shaping but otherwise you look fine. To be honest, I see a very pretty girl who has some slightly boyish features. The first picture is a bit blurred but, as a result, does for you what some judiciously applied make up could do, cover the beard shadow etc.

  LTL, we need to start a "raccoon-eyes" thread because I have that problem too.  Maybe we can get more good advice that way.  My mom gave me sample packets of "NeoStrata SecureWhite Anti Dark Circle Complex" but it doesn't seem to have helped at all.  She actually asked me today if the darkness had gotten worse!   (I'm hoping it's just fatigue-related due to the hectic schedule I'm managing fitting in everything I'm doing for transition around my full-time work schedule.)