Quote from: Rena on March 10, 2014, 07:49:12 PMEver heard of mild gynecomastia? I have a chest just like Andrej's and I take no hormones.

Yes, that might be the case with Andrej, but I'm sure you're aware that is a very rare condition. I just meant it's much more likely that Andrej's breast are not a natural occurrence. I really have no idea and I suppose it's none of my business, really.

Maybe he gained weight at a certain point. It's possible that, if you starve yourself (and let's stop pretending - most models DO eat way too little, Andrej's not an exception) and after you eat a little more and gain weight that your breasts slightly increase in size. I've experienced the same thing. Although I have to say they were not as cone shaped as his, but those might be genetics.

Quote from: Bubblegum on March 11, 2014, 10:13:56 AM
Maybe he gained weight at a certain point. It's possible that, if you starve yourself (and let's stop pretending - most models DO eat way too little, Andrej's not an exception) and after you eat a little more and gain weight that your breasts slightly increase in size. I've experienced the same thing. Although I have to say they were not as cone shaped as his, but those might be genetics.

Starving yourself does effect your hormone levels. Also it could just be because he genetically stores more fat on his chest then an average male. I'm like this as well. These are probably is the most likely reasons for his changed appearance if he hasn't been doing any "supplementation".

If he is taking hrt then good for him. He's found a niche and wants to continue to dominate it. I see no problem with him taking a boost to make him more beautiful/keep his looks.

I just saw this photo of Andre



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http://smileinyourface.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/6226-31.jpeg

Noticing the date is around April, 2012. Anyway see the nipple being covered up...? Gynecomastia surgery?

Things that make you go hmmmm....

It's Andrej in the video!

Lol. I was sooooo hacked-off and annoyed when I first read about Andrej. I used to be very androgynous and rather pretty when I was younger, and all I got was verbal abuse from randomers, hurtful comments from girlfriends and constant demands for me to eat more/weight-lift more/man up, etc etc. The pressure to be a typical male was almost hysterical sometimes, there seemed to be a panic over the fact that my skin was like porcelain and I had more of a very slim yet toned hourglass figure. Everyone hated it. Even those who supposedly fancied me.

I seemed to make people feel uncomfortable with how I looked. I hated myself. Looking back now I can't believe how I let them all turn me into a recluse who didn't have sex or enjoy my looks because I was so ashamed that I wasn't a "real man". And then I discovered Andre Pejic and Japanese rockstars who are all paid to look pretty and are respected for who they are. And then I got really pissed off. :p

Anywho, if he wants to keep his job I'm sure HRT or at least anti-androgens will be on the menu at some point. He's in his twenties now after all.

I wonder what Andrej is up to right now? I read that she prefers female pronouns now and that she considers herself to be inbetween genders. But if you check her websites there aren't any new pictures of her in "male"-mode at all. And also she's wearing clothes over her chest, which wouldn't really be necessary, unless she had breasts. So maybe she is on HRT now?

Quote from: 930310 on July 17, 2014, 03:05:05 PM
I wonder what Andrej is up to right now?

From her Twitter stream, she's obviously modeling and socializing as always. She's really not that different from any other fashion model in that way.

Quote from: 930310 on July 17, 2014, 03:05:05 PMSo maybe she is on HRT now?

The only word we have on that is an earlier post in this thread from someone who claims to know Andrej and said she wasn't.

Maybe you're right. Since she's not that "open" about her being/not being on HRT all we can do is speculate...

Does this really matter.  Low dose HRT is a legitimate therapy for non binaries.  If Andrej is non binary and they benefit psychologically with additional physical and professional benefits then this is a good thing, it isn't a bad thing.  Apart from the fact that it causes me intense jealousy!

Safe travels

Aisla

Well now we know!  Andreja says that she has identified as TG for some time, has undergone GCS and presumably HRT.  She has done well.  Should inspire many, as well as raise awareness in the broader community.

http://www.out.com/fashion/2014/07/24/andrej-pejic-comes-out-trans-woman

Model Andreja Pejic Comes Out as a Transgender Woman
BRUNA NESSIF - Jul. 24, 2014

"Model Andreja Pejic, formerly known as Andrej Pejic, has become yet another influential person in the industry to break down the barrier for the LGBT community.

The acclaimed model, who has appeared on covers of Elle and French Vogue, has publicly come out as a transgender woman and announced that she will solely model women's fashion going forward, with the support of her friends, family and agency."

More: http://www.eonline.com/news/563016/model-andreja-pejic-comes-out-as-a-transgender-woman

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I'm honestly slightly disappointed. Pejic is my role model for a man with female appearance. I did all physical transition except srs, my appearance is undoubtedly female but i still proud with my male identitiy, male pronounce and male legal marker. Is there any famous people like me?

Let me get this straight. We're disappointed that a trans woman has allowed herself to be fully female?

Isn't that something to celebrate?

What am I missing here?

All the statements here are very qualified.  Most or all are from non-binary individuals who looked up to Andrej as a role model for what non-binary and gender fluid could be.   The fact that role model is gone is the reason for the disappointment.  That somewhat tempers the celebration - but there is still celebration - that Andreja has now become her fully female self.

Its complicated...


Erin

Not really. She can still be role model. She was him for how long breaking the gender barriers? The main point is when Andrea was Andej, she accomplihsed a lot in the way of shining the light on the so called gender norms. I am really happy for her and wih her well.

Before coming across Susans and the non-binary forum, I had never heard of Andreja before. Upon seeing her pictures showcasing her androgynous body, it gives me inspiration to push towards my goal of achieving a similar body.

Needless to say, non-binary, transwoman or not, she is still very inspiring to me and will continue to inspire me to achieve my dreams. Her transition to female doesn't negate that but that's just me.

Suzy,

I'm not saying that I'm not absolutely happy for them, and that it isn't wonderful that they finally know who they are.  All I meant is that they represented something very significant to me: The idea that male and female were just boundaries.  I am disappointed that what they stood for was just another front for more dysphoria.  And also, I'm sick of transgender models-it doesn't say good things about our community.

I can understand this, that would be like me: someone with a hard binary gender identity, pushing a very non-binary presentation because I was trying to further a singing career, or maybe just trying to find my place in gender.

I could see were someone non binary could get a bit annoyed that it was all a cover for a binary identity.

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on July 25, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
Suzy,

I'm not saying that I'm not absolutely happy for them, and that it isn't wonderful that they finally know who they are.  All I meant is that they represented something very significant to me: The idea that male and female were just boundaries.  I am disappointed that what they stood for was just another front for more dysphoria.  And also, I'm sick of transgender models-it doesn't say good things about our community.

OK. I think I get it.

And I need to say that it troubles me.

From my own personal life, a lot of people have told me how great it is that I, or trans people in general, "break down boundaries" between male and female.

That upsets me. Really upsets me.

Like treating our condition and finding our identities somehow makes a political statement for the rest of the world.

That puts a lot of pressure on us, doesn't it?

I certainly feel it. People, cis and trans alike, want us to transition in such a way that affirms their worldview that it's OK for men/women to express their gender in whatever way they like.

That's unfair to us. Really unfair. We transition because we need to - because it becomes too painful not to show the world and ourselves who we really are. We don't transition to make a political statement or affirm a worldview.

And the fact is that an awful lot of women and men (most? nearly all?) are comfortable embracing at least some of the traditional attributes ascribed to their gender. Those that don't will always feel like they're not part of the "mainstream" whatever that is.

To charge non-binary folk with affirming their choices and providing them with a role model to deliver an it's-OK-for-me-so-it's-OK-for-you sort of message is asking an awful lot of us.

Especially since so many non-binary folk are trying out various presentations that allow us to feel comfortable in our world and in our skins. And so many, like me, end up for reasons of our own opting for a gender expression that fits within the binary mainstream.

I do not apologize for that. It's simply not my job (nor any other non-binary person's) to be the poster person for gender non-comformity.

I do apologize, though, for my rant. This seems to have struck a nerve.