Quote from: Susan522 on August 09, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
I think that anyone should be able to "identify" just any way they choose.  However, I think that it is wrong and prejudicial to slander those who do identify as transsexual (or even post transsexual), just because some idiot gve you a bad time.

I'm afraid I can't see where I defame them in any way. I said "While I have no doubt that's only a teeny tiny minority and totally respect personal choice to use it as a descriptor, it sullied the word for me." It's my choice not to use the word due to my experience and I entirely support others that do use it for things like personal sense of accuracy or a desire for a specific identity. Anything else would be rather conceited of me.

QuoteAlso I think that choosing to see no distinction between sex and gender and choosing to 'identify" it as just "some giant reflexive wibbly wobbly thingy" is just choosing to be willfully ignorant.

Well I won't insult you by calling you 'wilfully ignorant' but I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. The highly interlinked definitions of sex and gender I use are based on my personal reading of things like queer theory and I'm going to continue using them. If you prefer another perspective on the nature of sex and gender, such as identifying one as social construction whereas seeing the other as strictly biology, then that's your right. Nowhere did I say you have to use mine, it's a personal choice.

Thinking of changing this topic title to: "Clash of the Titans"! 

Never knew I had 'blockbuster' directing potential!

Quote from: YinYanga on August 09, 2014, 03:58:09 PM
Never knew I had 'blockbuster' directing potential!

See what can happen by transitioning? 

Touché, mon ami 

The problem for me with saying transgender is different people have different definitions.  Some say it's an umbrella term, others say it only applies to people who have dysphoria, etc.  I just refer to myself as trans to avoid that because I don't like the word transsexual. I really only refer to myself as a transsexual when I'm joking around with my girlfriend...

I've always known transgender as an umbrella term and someone that is transsexual are ones that medically transition whether they are non-op, pre-op or post-op.  But the way things fall in and out of favor depending on which way the social and political winds blow, no telling what will come up next week.


Just stay clear of "true transsexuals" and "HBS'ers", they can be quite insistent on their view over anyone else's and damn the torpedoes and all that jazz...

I did what I had to do back in the bad ol' days to live an authentic life, long before there were support groups, the internet, readily available quality medical resources, etc. for those of us whose birth anatomy and expected social role were at odds with who we knew ourselves to be.  For the record, I prefer "transsexual" but I have always regarded it as an adjective, never a noun.  I don't like "transgender" as an adjective to describe me personally.  I didn't change my gender, but I did have a sex change so that I could experience the world in a more appropriate anatomical context.

I totally respect & support everyone's individual choices regarding their personal journey, and I expect the same in return.

Carol

I thoroughly dislike the term Transgender. It allows the listener to place me in any classification THEY chose - drag queen / cross dresser / gender queer / whatever - and none of those are me.

I do not like being a transsexual but I would rather be thought of as transsexual than something that I am not.

Quote from: Jaime R D on August 09, 2014, 04:45:00 PM
Just stay clear of "true transsexuals" and "HBS'ers", they can be quite insistent on their view over anyone else's and damn the torpedoes and all that jazz...

I've heard of the 'true transsexuals' but who are the HBS'ers?

Quote from: OreSama on August 09, 2014, 05:03:14 PM
I've heard of the 'true transsexuals' but who are the HBS'ers?

An acronymed variety of the species "true transsexuals."   They call what they have "Harry Benjamin Syndrome."  Mostly just more the same bs , but with a golden calf, lol.

"I might be "MtF Transgender'  and you might like the label 'MtF Transsexual' more...Slightly different font on the wrapping, same essence"

A.) I don't do labels.

B.) Gender does not equal or mean the same as Sex

C.) TS does not equal or mean the same as TG

Just my own personal opinion but it does seem to take into consideration the actual meaning of the words.  No politics involved.

I was diagnosed by Dr. Benjamin as a "Type VI Transsexual" in 1966 at the age of 17 and back then anyone who had heard the word know what it meant - someone who's assigned gender at birth was at odds with their mental gender. I was born a transsexual and sought treatment to fix that, which was done in 1974. I was born transsexual but that was 'cured' by modern medicine an I am now just a woman with an odd medical history.

I don't use the term transgender as I don't feel it is applicable and is too broad in definition.

Can we please stop calling each other "false" this or that, just because someone under the TG umbrella  term disagrees if someone is sincere about being TS or TG or not. That happens when we are in the womb.
It is bad enough that society calls us this and that without us adding to it. We should display a united front against mainstream society that does not fully accept us yet.

WHY BE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY?

All this does is cause us to look like a bunch of fools to society.

I personally don't like using labels. I am a woman who happens to have a very serious defect with her genitals. There are plenty women who were born with XY chromosomes, but are women nonetheless on the exterior. This idea of whether to call us transgender or transsexual is simply another means of dividing an already divided group of people.

Quote from: aaggat on August 09, 2014, 05:02:55 PM
I thoroughly dislike the term Transgender. It allows the listener to place me in any classification THEY chose - drag queen / cross dresser / gender queer / whatever - and none of those are me.

I do not like being a transsexual but I would rather be thought of as transsexual than something that I am not.

Homestly i think you're over thinking it a bit. Most people out there have exactly zero idea about the difference between the two terms, other than the fact "transsexual" has a vaguely sinister and prurient overtone. Most non-Trans* people simply aren't that educated enough to understand the nuances.

Ive found people understand exactly what  I'm trying to say when i say transgender, so i stick with that.

Just for the record I consider myself transsexual because I am currently under going medical procedures to obtain the goal of full transition.

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on August 09, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
Just for the record I consider myself transsexual because I am currently under going medical procedures to obtain the goal of full transition.

are you implying that "medical procedures" are a requirement in order to obtain "full transition" ?

I do not like either of them,,, I am just a woman...

Are you implying that you are "cis"?