I always wondered. For us trans girls, is it possible for us to pass 100% of the time to the point where the only way someone will know we're trans is if we come out and tell them? To NEVER get clocked?

yes, sure

QuoteIs it possible to pass 100% of the time?

For all of us? For some of us? For me? For you? Or what.

As far as I know I have not been "clocked" for well over 25 years... then again as I havent ever asked anyone I might just be unaware. Also I dont do the parnoid stealth thing - so I do tend to tell people, perhaps not immediately, but in the course of conversations or whatever. So its impossible to know. All I can say is I've never been made to feel uncomfortable, threatened, discriminated against, disapproved of, or like an outsider or anything different, so functionally I don't think it matters. Its a massive non issue - literally zero.

Quote from: AnnaiyahStarr on October 19, 2015, 12:29:35 PM
I always wondered. For us trans girls, is it possible for us to pass 100% of the time to the point where the only way someone will know we're trans is if we come out and tell them? To NEVER get clocked?

Absolutely, but I think the odds are more in your favor if you start HRT by the age of 21 or sooner, or if you have androgen insensitivity syndrome. 

I pass as me to myself 100% of the time now because the fake front is gone.  That's all that really matters.  What anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

Hell, my cis wife gets "sir'd" all of the time because she's an amazon with a husky voice.  She doesn't give a sh*t either.

yes, then there is the other question on what exactly do you mean by" passing"(inwardly or outwardly) or mentally sufficient enough to be happy. Then there is another question of uniting under the umbrella and shouting back at the world to say I am me and free and a human being with exactly the same rights as all human beings and possibly all other  life forms ,but I'm tangentially expressing my own philosophy of passing which is my own personal opinion and not meant in any way to harm others. Sorry, I need a break.

Exactly so, Jill. Cis girls don't pass 100%, why should we. It's not whether you pass or not, it's how you react to it.

Quote from: Dee Marshall on October 19, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
Exactly so, Jill. Cis girls don't pass 100%, why should we. It's not whether you pass or not, it's how you react to it.

Transwomen can also pass more or less perfectly and still get clocked some of the time.   I do have a cis friend with some pretty amazing trans-dar.  "Just because you look 100% female doesn't mean I still can't tell."

My advice is to forget about it and just live your life the way you see fit.     

For some, Yes. For me, No. I met a transgirl the other day who I don't think would ever be clocked. She transitioned young and you would never know she was trans. Even her voice sounded female. I am so jealous.

For me, not yet.  I still slip up.

But one day, YES

I've known cis-women that don't "Pass" 100% of the time and have been asked/judged as being trans. And it wasn't like they were trying in any way to be "mannish"

Of course it is possible!

I believe an awful lot of "passing" has to do with one's attitude. I started HRT at 17 and had surgery at 24, in 1974. I always felt that I should have been a woman and after surgery I WAS a woman so I never thought any other way. I can't recall a single case where my gender was ever questioned. Even many years later when I started following some 'more typically masculine hobbies', I got more raised eyebrows for being  a girl in that hobby than questions about my gender.

I don't get clocked or misgendered to my face or within earshot. Who knows what people say behind my back.

In my humble opinion transgender women worry too much about 'passing'.

I have realised that I do not know what it means. I think that once you do not know what it means you have a healthier attitude to your life and interactions.

I've seen cis-women get sir'd. So I wouldn't worry about passing 100% of the time. Even my cis-wife has been mis-gendered right in front of me and I get gendered correctly by the same person.

Look at someone like Rain Dove. Everyone thinks she is transgender and she is not. She just has a naturally masculine looking face and she models both men's and women's clothing. She also happens to be a friend of mine and we've been out together and she does get a lot of stares when she is wearing dresses especially since her body shape is very feminine and it shows when she wears a dress. She uses her androgyny for her career and she doesn't care how anyone addresses her.

Oh yes I have a friend who passes effortlessly 24/24 7/7 365/365. Complete from head to toes and absolutely no need to of make up, srs complete, ffs, hips, butts, voice, mannerism & legal papers.

Absolutely, it is possible. There is a treatment for anything now. Whatever clocks you you can get fixed. My voice so 100% so that's one of my main things I'm working at.

I'd say yes as well. There are girls I know who even I can't pick (being a trans sexual woman and meeting hundreds of trans women).

But I will qualify - who cares?

Transmen? They easily pass 100%.

I find there's often too much focus on passing as a woman and not enough on living as a woman. Yes there are some overlaps but they are not the same thing. I live as a woman 100% of the time.