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Started by Marienz, November 09, 2015, 05:41:44 PM

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Laura_7

Quote from: jamiej on November 21, 2015, 03:39:54 AM
Today has been good I feel a wee bit more settled... Less angry. Will keep posting updates. You have all been wonderful[emoji3]


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Keep us posted  :)

Wish you a nice day  :)


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Marienz

Quote from: Laura_7 on November 21, 2015, 04:36:51 AM
Keep us posted  :)

Wish you a nice day  :)


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Thanks Laura:)
I thought it was best we talk about the baby conversation in a weeks time so there is more time for him to digest it, before we talk openly. I hope for a good outcome so we  can start moving ahead on both accounts his gender confusion and our family need:)


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I am glad times are a little more settled now for you xxx

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Quote from: jamiej on November 21, 2015, 03:21:23 PM
Thanks Laura:)
I thought it was best we talk about the baby conversation in a weeks time so there is more time for him to digest it, before we talk openly. I hope for a good outcome so we  can start moving ahead on both accounts his gender confusion and our family need:)


I think you are doing remarkably well. I hope you get things resolved.

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Quote from: Cindi Jones on November 23, 2015, 10:37:18 AM
I think you are doing remarkably well. I hope you get things resolved.

Cindi
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Thanks cindi:)
Your words of encouragement mean so much:)
His therapy is today and mine tomorrow.
Sunday will be the day, I learn if he can let us still achieve our goals of a baby as well. That's really the deal breaker..... I can accept him in anything he becomes.


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LizK

Good luck with the counselling for you both I hope it works well and you all end up getting what you need to stay together.

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Marienz

Awww thanks sarahtokes....me to!
Leaving would be horrible, I cannot imagine it:(


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Marienz


Quote from: Jayne01 on November 19, 2015, 12:17:54 AM
Hi jamiej,

I'm late to this conversation. I just finished reading through all the posts. Firstly, I would like to say that it is fantastic that you are supportive of your partner. I am in a somewhat similar position as him/her. I am 43 and for the past 4-5 months I have been struggling greatly with my gender. I am only now realising that it is something that has been with me my whole life, but I somehow managed to bury it in the deepest darkest corners of my mind, thinking that I could beat this thing. I'm slowly learning that every time I bury the feelings, they only come back much stronger later on.

Finally back around June this year it came to a point that I could no longer contain it. I came out to my wife fearing the worst and she was supportive and understanding and wanted nothing other than to help me. I most certainly do not WANT to be transgender, and with the help of a therapist am trying to explore ways to satisfy my gender dysphoria without causing my wife to have to compromise herself too much. (I hope that makes sense!)

After a few sessions with the therapist (she is a very good gender therapist by the way), I asked to have a session with my wife present. My wife came along and it was a good session. The therapist got to meet my wife and ask her questions directly rather than get an answer through me, and my wife got a little bit of an idea what I am going through explained by the therapist. Next week we are both going to see a therapist who specialises in couples therapy for couples where one is trans.

It sounds like you have a strong relationship based on true love for each other. Maybe seeing a therapist together may help you both find suitable compromises for both of you to be happy.

I am so grateful that my wife is understanding and supportive. I don't want to end up in a position where I do everything to satisfy my own needs but in the process my wife ends up in a closet of her own. There has to be a middle ground for both of us. It sounds like you and your partner are trying to find this happy middle ground but are possibly going over some rocky ground at the moment which is making it difficult to see a positive outcome. As many others on this forum have previously suggested, open communication is the key.

My best wishes to you both.

Jayne
Hi Jayne, how are things going for you and your wife?
Are you both getting your needs meet?
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Hi jamiej, things are good between my wife and I. I don't know what or how far I need to go myself, so at the moment nothing has really changed for us. I still present male and honestly don't know if I ever need to transition. I'm still working myself out.

My wife came along to one of my therapy sessions. It was great. The therapist got to meet my wife and ask her some questions directly. Also my wife got to meet the therapist.

Tomorrow we both go see a different therapist together who does couples counselling where one person is trans. I think that would be helpful for both of us. Looking forward to it, but also a little nervous.

Jayne
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Marienz


Quote from: Jayne01 on November 25, 2015, 12:19:08 AM
Hi jamiej, things are good between my wife and I. I don't know what or how far I need to go myself, so at the moment nothing has really changed for us. I still present male and honestly don't know if I ever need to transition. I'm still working myself out.

My wife came along to one of my therapy sessions. It was great. The therapist got to meet my wife and ask her some questions directly. Also my wife got to meet the therapist.

Tomorrow we both go see a different therapist together who does couples counselling where one person is trans. I think that would be helpful for both of us. Looking forward to it, but also a little nervous.

Jayne
Hi Jayne
You inspire me with so much hope!
We are okay a few struggles however that I want to get through to work together.
We have both hurt this week, but coming right:)


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Jayne01

Hang in there jamiej. You are an amazing person for sticking around and wanting to work through this. Your partner is very lucky to have you. This is a very difficult time for your partner trying to understand who they truly are. But it is no less difficult for you as you work through your own feelings while supporting your partner with their needs. I would argue that the SO has a harder time than the trans person. It sounds like you both truly love each other and that is what will get you through this.

Keep posting here. We are all here to offer help where we can or just simply just listen and let you know someone is out there who cares.

I wish you the very best. You are a wonderful person.

Jayne
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Marienz


Quote from: Jayne01 on November 25, 2015, 02:55:27 PM
Hang in there jamiej. You are an amazing person for sticking around and wanting to work through this. Your partner is very lucky to have you. This is a very difficult time for your partner trying to understand who they truly are. But it is no less difficult for you as you work through your own feelings while supporting your partner with their needs. I would argue that the SO has a harder time than the trans person. It sounds like you both truly love each other and that is what will get you through this.

Keep posting here. We are all here to offer help where we can or just simply just listen and let you know someone is out there who cares.

I wish you the very best. You are a wonderful person.

Jayne

Thank you so much Jayne:)
It has been a roller coaster two weeks and I don't think I have ever felt so afraid and alone at times.... Not because he's not there but because I feel afraid of not knowing his her side if that makes sense? I'm really trying, letting him explore etc.
The baby issue for me is still weighing heavily on my mind!
We have things we purchased in advance for a baby room and I find myself feeling comfort by being near them or looking at them at least once a day.
As well as the TG I think there are other issues that he needs to work through and I'm hopeful his counselling will start to break down those walls for him to be able to see and be the best person he can be... Whatever form that is.
Can I ask.... How do you know you might not transition? Does your wife allow you be Jayne at home and in public?
I would be fine with both.... But he's no where near ready for public.
I think allot of my fear is his man type habits of being protecting and looking after them an jobs might change... But I am most likely wrong.
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Jayne01

Hi jamiej,

I can certainly understand the roller coaster ride. I have been on many such rides dragging my wife up and down with me. One thing I can say for certain is that it is not something I wanted to do on purpose. I think a lot of it comes from not wanting to damage the relationship with my wife along with all the shame and guilt I feel, makes me want to try and suppress my feelings and be the man I think my wife wants me to be. That just leads to extreme mood swings and turns me into not a very nice person to be around.

I'll tell you a little bit more about my situation in the hope that you may be able to relate some things to your situation. First up, one difference is that my wife and I have no kids and don't plan on having any in the future.

As far as my wife letting me be Jayne. It's still early days for us. We both went to see a therapist together yesterday. One of the things the therapist suggested to help ease my distress was for me to try dressing at home. My wife was completely ok with that. In fact, after we left the therapist, we went shopping to find something for me. We spent more than 6 hours shopping which is unheard of, because neither of us are shoppers, but we both actually had a lot of fun. My wife was incredible. She was helping me pick things and because I wasn't ready to go into the change rooms with all the other women, my wife was kind of sizing things up on her and then adding a bit of size to suit me. I don't know if I can go in public by myself. I'm trying to build up the courage to do it for my next therapist session next week. My wife is a bit uneasy to be in public with me as a woman because she is worried what people would think. That is understandable. I've had my whole life to try and deal with this. My wife has had only a few months since I came out to her. We will work through it together. I haven't actually had a chance to try my new cloths on. It was getting late by the time we got home and I need to get up early for work today. I'm really looking forward to getting home this evening.

I can understand you wanting to spend time in your baby room given how much you want a baby. Don't give up on your partner, but at the same time, if you feel he is getting a bit too self involved in his own issues and forgetting about yours, then let him know how you feel. Speaking for myself, I find it can be easy to let my mind run away with my own thoughts, especially now that I have my wife's blessing to dress at home. I need to keep remind myself to take things slowly so that my wife has a chance to process things herself. I also need to learn to not obsess about everything TG 24/7. My obsessing is draining on my wife.

My therapist has assured me, and everything I have read also confirms it, that transitioning does not change your personality other than make you a happier person. If your partner is happy doing the "man" type jobs now, I don't believe that would change. I am an engineer, drive a 4wd, a motorbike, like to tinker in the garage and generally playing with anything mechanical. I don't see any of that changing if I transition. I don't see me getting upset if I break a nail :)

I don't really know whether I will transition or not. I don't want to transition because of all the complications and difficulties that come with it. But if it comes down to me transitioning or living the rest of my life as a person that is miserable and impossible to live with, I will transition. However, be aware that transition could be simply wearing female underwear beneath the man clothes, or the full works including hormones, surgery, and everything in between.

Keep communicating and loving each other and you will find what you both need.

Take care and keep in touch.

Jayne
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Marienz

Hi Jayne
What a wonderful reply, it almost gave me a tear in my eye!
You and your wife sound wonderful:)
You're very lucky to have each other:) I guess the fact I/we have always wanted a baby complicates things for him and that's a decision he needs to figure out if he can compromise on.
I love him to bits and I hope he reads your reply as I think it might help him to understand what I am going through as well.
Thank you Jayne:)


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My pleasure jamiej.

Thank you, my wife is truly amazing. I am so lucky to have her in my life.

I have received lots of help and good advice from this forum. I'm glad I am able to give a little back.

I don't know you other than from what you have written here. To me you sound like a very compassionate person who has lots of love to give. I think you would be a wonderful mother. And for you to have so much love for your partner suggests to me that he must be pretty great too. I'm confident and hopeful that you can both find a happy compromise. Are you both seeing a therapist together? If not, I might suggest giving that a try. My wife and I had our first session yesterday, and already it has helped immensely. It helps that the therapist is well versed in trans issues. (Her specialty is actually couples therapy where one is trans).

I'm not sure if this is helpful, but would sperm banking be something worth considering?

Take care.

Jayne

PS: I keep referring to your partner with male pronouns because I'm following your lead, I'm not being disrespectful to him. I myself don't mind either way. I identify as Jayne on this forum, but I present male (for now anyway :))
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Marienz

Hi Jayne,

Firstly it is all okay to call him a he, as right now that is how he is primarily presenting aless we are at home together. I'm not sure on banking his sperm, as the main problem is me and my age and number of eggs I have left, this is medical fact, as we have had fertility egg testing completed. There really isn't anything left to freeze, its a matter of it has to be done asap, or we will run out of luck. I have dreamed my entire life of being a mother, I recall being a little girl and knowing that being a mother would be my favorite time of my life...well until we retire and get to do the other things we both so badly want to do.
We both do counselling with a gender specialist, but not together...but I would like to go to one of his. We are spending this weekend renovating our house and will get lots of chances for him to dress up as well. Our conversation we were to have on Sunday about the baby will now be on Tuesday. I still cannot imagine life without him, but I can see we both have at times during the last 3 weeks not supporting each other well, or understood what each person is going through. I really want that to stop as I can see that it will in time (or sooner) tear us apart. Things are better at the moment.
:)
You have been wonderful support.
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Anna33

its a simple equation then! you always dreamed of being a mum, he dreamed of being a she, if your partner wants to stay with you as wife and wife  then have a baby and be mum and mum haha <3

its all about making concessions, negotiating. Makes sense?
The truth is, I often like women. I like their unconventionality. I like their completeness. I like their anonymity. - Virginia Woolf
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Jayne01

Hi jamiej,

Don't let a rough patch over the past few weeks convince you that you may not succeed as a couple. Coming to terms with ones gender identity is a very difficult thing, especially if it happens later in life as an adult. Throw in on top of that the desire to be parents and a ticking clock. You are doing an admirable job.

I cannot recommend strongly enough seeing a therapist together. The therapist can help you both identify each other's needs better so you can each better understand one another. Does he know you would like to go along to one of his sessions? If not, let him know and let the therapist know and set up an appointment. Try and have an open discussion with him discussing your needs and his and given the ticking clock, talk about some kind of timeline. Try not to get too emotional. A few times I tried to talk to my wife about something, I ended up just crying and being a blubbering mess. That wasn't very helpful and not productive. Now before I bring anything up that I think might be emotional, I make a little promise to myself to keep it together and not go down the blubbering path. It kind of works :)

I don't really want to say that you are right and he is wrong in what you are going through. I have only heard your side, but I don't think it is my place to say anything like that. Besides, you haven't asked for anyone to take sides either. I'm trying to provide support without making either if you appear as the good or bad guy. I sincerely hope that I am helping in some way.

Take care. Feel free to send a PM if you prefer.

Jayne
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Marienz

Awww thanks Jayne:) your reply is very helpful:)


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Thanks Clara brown:)


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