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Transition & Marriage Questions

Started by Dana_W, November 16, 2008, 11:35:17 AM

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sarahb

Quote from: Hypatia on December 23, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Steph on December 07, 2008, 08:25:59 PMI firmly believe that those who transition MtF would naturally want to be with a man, after all it's the natural thing to do. 

This is wrong. This is very, very wrong. You can speak for yourself, but you have no business applying this heterosexist bias to all transsexual women.

If it happens in nature...it is natural. Majority doesn't dictate "natural." If even only one woman (trans or not) were to be lesbian, than it would be natural. So to say that being with a man is natural, and thus implying that being with a woman is not natural, then you're saying that it is somehow a choice that someone makes to go against their natural tendencies. Well, with that I would disagree. They may be going against your natural tendencies, but they are following their own natural tendencies.
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Wing Walker

Quote from: Hypatia on December 23, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Steph on December 07, 2008, 08:25:59 PMI firmly believe that those who transition MtF would naturally want to be with a man, after all it's the natural thing to do. 

This is wrong. This is very, very wrong. You can speak for yourself, but you have no business applying this heterosexist bias to all transsexual women.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Hypatia.  I loved the company of a woman before surgery and I love the company of a woman now that I am post-op.  I married one in Ontario in 2004.  I want nothing to do with a male of the species, be he a man or a jerk.

Wing Walker
Staying on Course
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Wing Walker

Quote from: SarahR on December 23, 2008, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: Hypatia on December 23, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Steph on December 07, 2008, 08:25:59 PMI firmly believe that those who transition MtF would naturally want to be with a man, after all it's the natural thing to do. 

This is wrong. This is very, very wrong. You can speak for yourself, but you have no business applying this heterosexist bias to all transsexual women.

If it happens in nature...it is natural. Majority doesn't dictate "natural." If even only one woman (trans or not) were to be lesbian, than it would be natural. So to say that being with a man is natural, and thus implying that being with a woman is not natural, then you're saying that it is somehow a choice that someone makes to go against their natural tendencies. Well, with that I would disagree. They may be going against your natural tendencies, but they are following their own natural tendencies.

Sounds fine to me, Sarah.  BTW, why are you having FFS?  You look fine to me.

Wing Walker
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sarahb

Quote from: Wing Walker on December 24, 2008, 12:57:04 AM
Quote from: SarahR on December 23, 2008, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: Hypatia on December 23, 2008, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: Steph on December 07, 2008, 08:25:59 PMI firmly believe that those who transition MtF would naturally want to be with a man, after all it's the natural thing to do. 

This is wrong. This is very, very wrong. You can speak for yourself, but you have no business applying this heterosexist bias to all transsexual women.

If it happens in nature...it is natural. Majority doesn't dictate "natural." If even only one woman (trans or not) were to be lesbian, than it would be natural. So to say that being with a man is natural, and thus implying that being with a woman is not natural, then you're saying that it is somehow a choice that someone makes to go against their natural tendencies. Well, with that I would disagree. They may be going against your natural tendencies, but they are following their own natural tendencies.

Sounds fine to me, Sarah.  BTW, why are you having FFS?  You look fine to me.

Wing Walker


Thank you Wing Walker. I appreciate the kind words. But sometimes pictures can be deceiving ;) I use my hair to hide the upper part of my face and forehead, which are not very flattering depending on the angle, at least to me anyways.
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cindybc

Hi SarahR I will send prayers that all goes well and for your speedy recovery. I will send my little friend here to watch over you.  ;D



Cindy

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sarahb

Quote from: cindybc on December 24, 2008, 02:21:02 AM
Hi SarahR I will send prayers that all goes well and for your speedy recovery. I will send my little friend here to watch over you.  ;D



Cindy



Awwwee...thank you Cindy  :icon_hug:
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Candygirl

While my background is different than that of most of you here, I can relate somewhat to the relationship crisis that many transitioning  MtF's find themselves facing at one point or another.

Even if a heterosexual female wife knows about some of the feminine feelings that her guy may possess when going into the marriage, she often feels, that it is a phase that he'll most likely loose after he is married a while. Even if she agrees to help him dress up, or role play, she has enough love in her heart for him, that she'll go the extra miles to work it out, and save the marriage. If there are children, she will do just about anything to keep him in the marriage...for a while. Make no mistake though, she'll be feeling insecurities about the whole affair.

If he continues to push his need to be a female, and has to go through the complete process of attaining HRT, she begins to have deep disturbing doubts.   Even if she professes otherwise! There is still a spark of hope, that it will not last and he'll snap out of it.

Finally she begins to question her own identity, femininity, desirability, womanhood, and ability to attract and judge men. She her self begins to have her own identity crisis. This is when many will revolt, and threaten the husband that she'll leave him, if he goes through with it. They will argue, cry, and be shaken to their very cores about what is happening to them, as a couple, a family.

She'll be thinking about what it will do to her career, family bonds, peer associations, and other social standings, once it is out that her husband is becoming a woman. The wife often times feels she cannot face the questions, the smirks, the jokes, and general disapproval of the position she has found herself in.   Once she'll come to the conclusion, that there is no turning back the clock, and preventing him from carrying this dream of his through...devastation will fill her heart and mind as she is ready to deliver the final coup-de-grace. Divorce!

She has decided it is time to end it...and may or may not offer an olive branch of ongoing cordial friendship to him as they split up.
If there are kids involved, as likely as not, the court will decide what visitation and contact rights he'll hold.  If he shows up at court enfemme, he'll probably loose out big time.  For the folks whose type of marriage like this ends in divorce, they'll have a difficult time remaining amiable...especially if she remarries and her new husband hates you...

The reality of being a TS MtF and married, is usually never very kind in the end.  There's always exceptions to the general rule, and for them that can go on together in some newly formed relationship, that is wonderful, if that is what each wants...

IMO, I find it rather amazing that married transitioning men, would find it so surprising that there wouldn't be problems..


Addendum; SarahR...best wishes and a speedy recovery, for we are all pulling for you. Keep that in your heart. God speed.
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