Quote from: spacial on December 29, 2011, 07:31:12 PM
Science can't work with the intangible any more than a spatula can cut bread. The tool is simply inappropriate.

The issue of scientific proof for all things is, frankly, a fraud. Science can't prove anything that can't be measured.

Kia Ora Spacial,

I beg to differ...If one sharpens the edges it 'can' cut bread ! So your argument is on shaky grounds Spacial

Metta Zenda

Quote from: Zenda on December 29, 2011, 08:24:01 PM
Kia Ora Spacial,

I beg to differ...If one sharpens the edges it 'can' cut bread ! So your argument is on shaky grounds Spacial

Metta Zenda

Not wishing to pursue a redundant point, but a piece of soft wood or rubber, with edges sharp enough to cut bread doesn't seem much like a spatula any more.

Pedantic, I know, but good manners prevents me from responding to your point in a more appropriate manner. 

Quote from: spacial on December 30, 2011, 02:12:31 AM
Not wishing to pursue a redundant point, but a piece of soft wood or rubber, with edges sharp enough to cut bread doesn't seem much like a spatula any more.

Pedantic, I know, but good manners prevents me from responding to your point in a more appropriate manner. 

Kia Ora Spacial,

I beg to differ again ...Stainless steel spatulas used for tossing 'soulless' hamburgers...Sharpen the edge and it can cut bread and still perform it's normal spatula duties-"Once a spatula always a spatula"...[Note I'm still staying on topic]

Metta Zenda

Kia Ora,

On a more serious note......

  Another way to look at the OP question, is from the view point that the soul that many speak of could just be pure unpolluted 'consciousness' that some of us are fortunate enough at times to tap into[or one could say it finds us], but one does not 'knowingly' know that they have tapped into it, for to become consciously 'aware' of this at the time[that is when "I" "Me" "Mine"=the self enters the equation] would mean it's no longer in its pure unpolluted state/form...I speak from a 'meditative' view point...

Does this make sense ?

But I guess science still has a long way to go to before it is able to actually measure this subjective  phenomena-the magic of the mind...  http://www.mindandlife.org/

Metta Zenda

I am posting in reference to the original question of whether or not there is proof we have a soul.

The word of God is about faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the only one that could make the atonement for our sins. The word says faith is the substance of things not seen.

The Lord told Thomas that he believed because he had seen but blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.

Not all are blessed according to what is recorded of the Lord speaking to Thomas. In fact, the blessings of the Lord go contrary to most teachings today. It is written we are blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ and He has blessed us by turning us away from our sins. The remission or lessening of such as we grow in faith.

Anyone that has truly put off the tabernacle for a period of time knows we have a soul.

Those who have had such happen typically have it happen after they believe.

Those who have put off the tabernacle come back with a fear of God knowing their soul will spend eternity in one of two places.

They will tend to try to teach the truth and warn others in love and mercy hoping their words will be taken heed. They will also know that many will not believe them and mock them anyway.

They will not return to write foolish books and try to make a dollar off their experience. They will fear God far too much for vanity, pride or the wealth of this world.

As I said, many will not believe them. Many will just mock them.

But when it is all said and done we will all stand at the judgment seat of Christ whether we believe it or not and be judged by the one whom God hath sent to save us from our sins.

I believe in 3 eternal destinies not just two as christianity teaches.

google it and see for yourself..

i just think of it this way. if we have no soul, then what is it that gives life to the body we are in? how could we simply just be the body we are? how is it that the sperm and egg is enough to give us consciousness as a certain being when we could've been so many other things? if we have no soul, then wouldn't we be technically immortal? what would be the absolute purpose of our birth when we are born, and our death when we die. you could have been so many different things, you could have been born so many different times and places, but it only happens in one mysteriously designed way. i really believe there is a higher being within me.

Personally I think the whole "soul" stuff has been mistranslated and misinterpreted?

I think that we do not have a soul, we are souls.

Your soul is who you are, your identity, the "I" that can say "I am".

Our soul exists as long as we are alive, at death our soul ends, no heaven or hell, just non-existence.

The promise of heaven or paradise is one of recreation, a perfect copy, with all the memories, thoughts and dreams of the original, better then the original .

we have always been and we will always be


life here on earth is but a dream of the true spiritual world from whence we came and to where we will return

a dejavue is a rememberance from before we came here to earth to let us know (remind us) from whence we came

when we shed our shells we will still be here but how will we relate to it is the question. Will you be in peace or turmoil trying to scream out for people to hear you but most won't be able to hear you because they will still be here in their dream. Or will you be at peace with the other good souls who have surrendered all things here on earth for the truth of eternity and from whence we came and to where we hopefully will return in peace ! Or will you be stuck in a turmoil trying to resolve what you did while on earth and yet knowing yo had your chance but its too late now, except for maybe those who have moved on to a place of peace who might have prayed for the children due to the sins of the fathers. (generally speaking) You may also have people who are stll here in their dreams praying for you in hopes that some time or space you will move on from that turmoil you created while you were here on earth. Those enlightened souls and spirits will surely have a wonderful place of peace for their eternity. maybe your life which brought you to a place of turmoil will be allowed to transcend or come back in another body to finally make peace with your self / soul / spirit