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Pre everything w/ complementary peace sign.
Gimme your best shot!! GIMME Honesty!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2Ff9990.jpg&hash=8ddd14937f878db11d21f9f0a4cc9a0951c9d078)
Thanks.
Obviously, you will need to work on the beard and moustache shadow, and thin the eyebrows.
Hormones will likely round out your face. Without a profile it is hard to tell about your nose or brow ridge. But I don't see much of an Adam's apple, or anything "disqualifying." Go for it! :)
CaseyB - as Jamie with the long name told, You have quite soft features. Even Your forehead is not such a big issue - I did not see any significant brow bossing, but profile shot is probably not the best for that, and I have seen cis-females with that kind of angle too. Anyway, You would also be doing Yourself a bit of favour if You dropped some weight - hopefully that would sharpen up Your facial features and allow the new fat to come and soften Your face in the feminine manner. Other than that, I can sort of imagine how You might probably look after the HRT - again I think Your frontal face would look nicer than profile (a lot of us struggle with that), or probably I am wrong - that shadow and sideburns are taking a lot of attention :). Your "version" with longer hair is nicer, btw :).
And You have nice lips :)
The more I am looking at Your frontal picture, the more You remind me of Jennygirl in her "before" - or I am being deluded? :)
I did not notice weight as an issue. Indeed, you may want to put on a few pounds, or you may not get T&A.
BTW, "Jamie with the long name" - according to Emily - resolves to "Jamie D" as in the avatar. ;)
Hi there,
I'm a long-time reader (and massively inspired by some of you) and at 27 I'm finally thinking about taking the plunge. Got an appointment with my GP next week to see about getting referred to the gender clinic to, so I've been trying out a few things.
This is me pre-anything, just some makeup (possibly went a bit heavy on that...).
Any feedback welcome!
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg)
Quote from: belfastgirl on August 05, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Hi there,
I'm a long-time reader (and massively inspired by some of you) and at 27 I'm finally thinking about taking the plunge. Got an appointment with my GP next week to see about getting referred to the gender clinic to, so I've been trying out a few things.
This is me pre-anything, just some makeup (possibly went a bit heavy on that...).
Any feedback welcome!
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg)
Welcome belfastgirl you look really petite and have a basically cute face, the glare in the upper part of the photo's don't help. Perhaps you could give us a side profile shot as well? We could offer a more objective commentary if you did.
Welcome BelfastGirl :)
The lighting accentuates your brow bossing (brow ridge) and eyebrows. Perhaps something to cut down on the skin oiliness would help. I agree with Shan that you have a good starting point.
Quote from: belfastgirl on August 05, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Hi there,
I'm a long-time reader (and massively inspired by some of you) and at 27 I'm finally thinking about taking the plunge. Got an appointment with my GP next week to see about getting referred to the gender clinic to, so I've been trying out a few things.
This is me pre-anything, just some makeup (possibly went a bit heavy on that...).
Any feedback welcome!
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg)
Wow you have such an amazingly petite figure!! and that dress omg i love it :)
I think hormones will feminise your face really well. You will probably have to shave down the brow bossing at some point (like most of us) but other that i feel you're at a great starting point.
Quote from: belfastgirl on August 05, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Hi there,
I'm a long-time reader (and massively inspired by some of you) and at 27 I'm finally thinking about taking the plunge. Got an appointment with my GP next week to see about getting referred to the gender clinic to, so I've been trying out a few things.
This is me pre-anything, just some makeup (possibly went a bit heavy on that...).
Any feedback welcome!
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img801/4040/eqfj.jpg)
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img404/4176/75qk.jpg)
judging by those 2 pics, I think you will make a beautiful woman. your facial structure isnt too manly and it looks like you have a good hairline. I bet HRT will do wonders for you. perhaps you're right about the makeup. I personally prefer subtle makeup. maybe try that approach and see what the results are.
Quote from: Alaia on May 23, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
Ok, I suppose it's my turn. I had an awesome experience last month in which I got a makeover and went out to a bar/night club with several other trans women. It was my first time fully made up and out in public. After the makeover I knew I had to see what kind of results I could produce on my own. Below are some of my pictures from the makeover and from my first attempt at doing my own makeup:
From the makeover (https://plus.google.com/photos/111010333115160167230/albums/5881314548590176241?authkey=CIG7lYqpnpf06wE)
My first makeup attempt a few days later (https://plus.google.com/photos/111010333115160167230/albums/5881010780691646161?authkey=CMunkcPe0dymFw) (Also got a wig that I liked much better than the one used in the makeover).
I'm 37 years old and obviously not on HRT yet, but I plan to start in a few months. What do you all think?
I think you have a good start, at least facially! And welcome to the 30+ club, snicker xo
Hiya girlies
i went out today to the mall, and was terrified! :/
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fsnapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg&hash=1aadfd9fd174213dca22e28606e50de15adfb685) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/snapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg.html)
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 06, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Hiya girlies
i went out today to the mall, and was terrified! :/
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fsnapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg&hash=1aadfd9fd174213dca22e28606e50de15adfb685) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/snapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg.html)
You pass looks wise just fine!
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 06, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Hiya girlies
i went out today to the mall, and was terrified! :/
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fsnapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg&hash=1aadfd9fd174213dca22e28606e50de15adfb685) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/snapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg.html)
Hubba, hubba. I should think so.
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 06, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
You absolutely pass. That said, I'd have looked out of the reasons CaseyB hinted.
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 06, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Hiya girlies
i went out today to the mall, and was terrified! :/
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fsnapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg&hash=1aadfd9fd174213dca22e28606e50de15adfb685) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/snapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg.html)
well, just going off this photo your hands seem a bit awkwardly placed and you seem to be wearing a tad too heavy of a makeup job. nothing noticeable of course, you can pass just fine, but I figure we all have a thousand things to work on and it's better to be critical than flattering.
Zoe Louise- Your face absolutely passes in this photo, and overall you would even more if you increased the smile a little and held a more feminine shoulder posture
You appear to have been blessed with a very feminine shoulder to hip ratio, so if you rotated your shoulders back a little bit it would go a long way. Don't be afraid to stick out your chest a little bit when posing like that, as long as you don't overdo it it just shows confidence in a very uniquely feminine way :)
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 06, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Hiya girlies
i went out today to the mall, and was terrified! :/
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fsnapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg&hash=1aadfd9fd174213dca22e28606e50de15adfb685) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/snapshot1_zps3f09534b.jpg.html)
You pass! You have to remember people look at people and often times they don't think anything people just like looking. Or they think you're hawt! Most people aren't out looking to clock trans girls.
posture and make up. you're alread fabulous :D x
My profile photo, from the last last time I wore a wig...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKMpPmpXh.jpg&hash=9bae1d0c1569cc20fdab95118c334b6c5e18bddf)
One year removing facial hair, learning how to do makeup, on HRT since 3 months ago... It's true that I did not start to truly work till I started living on my own back in April. My manly features keep haunting me when I look too much, despite being told that with a bit of FFS retouching it would be enough.
Bugh
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1303.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag160%2FLewis_Bassett-Butt%2FSnapshot_20130807_2_zpse4f71346.jpg&hash=d8e22dcde3ab424d46e320ba6d8d8dcc9d8834cb)
I really don't like my face at all. Admittedly I look much better when properly done up with makeup and things, but this is me too and feels more...honest, I guess. I really hate my jaw :-\. It's just so...big and clunky. I look like someone's stuck girly eyes on Frankenstein.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601648_10151004553128529_1327689322_n.jpg)
Better pic, back at my uni prom. I've got MUCH long hair now (goes down at least to my shoulders)
Quote from: Apple Sprout on August 07, 2013, 05:53:46 AM
My profile photo, from the last last time I wore a wig...
I'd say really passable. You're not my type so I wouldn't look after you but I would recognize you as female (even if we'd interact - given that your voice isn't super deep).
Quote from: Windy1234 on August 07, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
I really don't like my face at all. Admittedly I look much better when properly done up with makeup and things, but this is me too and feels more...honest, I guess. I really hate my jaw :-\. It's just so...big and clunky. I look like someone's stuck girly eyes on Frankenstein.
I'd say with some makeup (doesn't need to be too much) and a nice haircut you'll be passable. I totally like your hair.
Quote from: Windy1234 on August 07, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
Better pic, back at my uni prom. I've got MUCH long hair now (goes down at least to my shoulders)
I don't like it; your hands shout male in that pic. But since you most certainly didn't try to pass back then, that's not so relevant.
Quote from: Apple Sprout on August 07, 2013, 05:53:46 AM
My profile photo, from the last last time I wore a wig...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKMpPmpXh.jpg&hash=9bae1d0c1569cc20fdab95118c334b6c5e18bddf)
One year removing facial hair, learning how to do makeup, on HRT since 3 months ago... It's true that I did not start to truly work till I started living on my own back in April. My manly features keep haunting me when I look too much, despite being told that with a bit of FFS retouching it would be enough.
Nice face and jawline, very feminine appearance. You will need brow and nose work to be fabulous.
Thanks for the comments ladies, your all so nice :) !!!
Its definitely nice to get positive feedback . . . I was so scared walking around the mall! :/
I agree that i will have to work on my posture and stuff, i still feel as though my mannerisms are pretty masculine, hopefully that will change with time!! and hopefully when i start HRT i will gain more confidence!!!!
xx
HRT will have its way with Your mannerisms too ;)
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 07, 2013, 12:31:29 PM
Thanks for the comments ladies, your all so nice :) !!!
Its definitely nice to get positive feedback . . . I was so scared walking around the mall! :/
I agree that i will have to work on my posture and stuff, i still feel as though my mannerisms are pretty masculine, hopefully that will change with time!! and hopefully when i start HRT i will gain more confidence!!!!
xx
Most male behavior and mannerisms are learned and become ingrained, It can be unlearned and female mannerisms will eventually become rote, meanwhile a small amount of male behavior is testosterone driven, that will no doubt change in time too.
Quote from: Windy1234 on August 07, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
I really don't like my face at all. Admittedly I look much better when properly done up with makeup and things, but this is me too and feels more...honest, I guess. I really hate my jaw :-\. It's just so...big and clunky. I look like someone's stuck girly eyes on Frankenstein.
I don't think your jaw is that bad, that pic kinda reminds me of Drew Barrymore.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1303.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag160%2FLewis_Bassett-Butt%2FSnapshot_20130807_2_zpse4f71346.jpg&hash=d8e22dcde3ab424d46e320ba6d8d8dcc9d8834cb)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn01.cdn.justjared.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F09%2Fbarrymore-premiere%2Fdrew-barrymore-whip-it-premiere-23.jpg&hash=9d42238fea57ac46dccec6377b618251fdc29183)
Quote from: Alaia on August 10, 2013, 03:25:07 AM
I don't think your jaw is that bad, that pic kinda reminds me of Drew Barrymore.
Yeah... you're right. That's totally Drew Berrymore. Kinda hottie, right?
Quote from: PiaBianca on August 10, 2013, 09:47:28 AM
Yeah... you're right. That's totally Drew Berrymore. Kinda hottie, right?
Yeah and aren't those Anne Hathaway lips? She would probably like to be seen as herself, but these are nice attributes and we have to admit that she is potentially rather pretty as Alaia!
Quote from: Windy1234 on August 07, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
Bugh
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1303.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag160%2FLewis_Bassett-Butt%2FSnapshot_20130807_2_zpse4f71346.jpg&hash=d8e22dcde3ab424d46e320ba6d8d8dcc9d8834cb)
I really don't like my face at all. Admittedly I look much better when properly done up with makeup and things, but this is me too and feels more...honest, I guess. I really hate my jaw :-\. It's just so...big and clunky. I look like someone's stuck girly eyes on Frankenstein.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601648_10151004553128529_1327689322_n.jpg)
Better pic, back at my uni prom. I've got MUCH long hair now (goes down at least to my shoulders)
I truly think you'd do wonderful! You have a very femme face now. The jaw isn't that bad at all though understand the feeling I often feel the same way about mine. I also think yours looks quite like mine and hrt definitely did a lot!
Yeah you're pretty femme in that prom pic windy1234. I'm not sure if you pass as female in it, but you will certainly pass as female on HRT. No doubt.
BTW, nice avatar Michelle. You look so so pretty but maybe it's just that cute baby next to you JK lol
So this is me before coming out. I'm the one on the left:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_BAF8F102-9231-4C9F-BAC5-E5D3FFA69368-6854-000009DE57DC2028.jpg&hash=c89a29292f5a9fe1cdfcb43bac2593483f17f153) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=BAF8F102-9231-4C9F-BAC5-E5D3FFA69368-6854-000009DE57DC2028.jpg)
This is me still pre-everything with a wig and some fem clothes:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_58e54d24b93864fd16e93a870532dc08.jpg&hash=7fb88942d8af8299aee30583a59a86758a37bd88) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=58e54d24b93864fd16e93a870532dc08.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_e2d83cda5f1fccb1505e0e3ac3b954fc.jpg&hash=639a85f30b9666869af25e3c0b1af6a6193ff730) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=e2d83cda5f1fccb1505e0e3ac3b954fc.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_3e356ee6e50030544d4b8af58e05bf67.jpg&hash=ffa74e41077a33dc3cda104b640e5285e03c4cb9) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=3e356ee6e50030544d4b8af58e05bf67.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_1a1b4b2b003ad222715c6155da56abe5.jpg&hash=7fcf411977822a43bbddc1b159b0d090679446c8) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=1a1b4b2b003ad222715c6155da56abe5.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_edf4745df882e8116db7f225bcd41bdb.jpg&hash=10e40d40a7b90b2f8249a7c520921c81aee08b58) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=edf4745df882e8116db7f225bcd41bdb.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb75%2FHarliquine%2Fth_6b0875a1338ed54ac4095ffb1c7efbd9.jpg&hash=19b77119f340025e6ea3984acf6b9afdd5308e09) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Harliquine/?action=view¤t=6b0875a1338ed54ac4095ffb1c7efbd9.jpg)
I know I need to get rid of the beard and I am putting the money away for that. I also need to get into learning to do make up as I have no make or any idea of how to apply it yet.
Outside of that what are you thoughts?
The first thing I noted - You DO have very nice and long legs ;).
Apart of that, shaving definitely makes difference. The overall impression from Your face is actually quite soft. I cant figure out what is the case of brow bossing - lighting is not the most perfect, but I know I suck at making photos so I cant be a judge here anyway. HRT is going to change Your cheeks and stretch the skin a bit. Then, in one picture it looks like You have a masculine nose, yet in Your front shot it is somehow balanced by other facial features - You are reminding me some kind of person - female person - but I can remember who was it.
well i dont know wether i pass or not but i just had a latino bloke chat me up he thought i was a girl. what i dont understand is that thats me on my profile pic and all i can say is he must be blind
Quote from: lucy aylett on August 10, 2013, 05:38:32 PM
well i dont know wether i pass or not but i just had a latino bloke chat me up he thought i was a girl. what i dont understand is that thats me on my profile pic and all i can say is he must be blind
I dunno, looks like a girl to me!
Quote from: Christine167 on August 10, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
So this is me before coming out. I'm the one on the left:
This is me still pre-everything with a wig and some fem clothes:
I know I need to get rid of the beard and I am putting the money away for that. I also need to get into learning to do make up as I have no make or any idea of how to apply it yet.
Outside of that what are you thoughts?
I was unable to enlarge the photos, but from what I can see you look an awful lot like the girl in your avatar so I'm seeing a girl there and I don't think you are the least bit disappointing, so you'll probably do just fine!
Quote from: Windy1234 on August 07, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
Bugh
I really don't like my face at all. Admittedly I look much better when properly done up with makeup and things, but this is me too and feels more...honest, I guess. I really hate my jaw :-\. It's just so...big and clunky. I look like someone's stuck girly eyes on Frankenstein.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1303.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag160%2FLewis_Bassett-Butt%2FSnapshot_20130807_2_zpse4f71346.jpg&hash=d8e22dcde3ab424d46e320ba6d8d8dcc9d8834cb)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601648_10151004553128529_1327689322_n.jpg)
Better pic, back at my uni prom. I've got MUCH long hair now (goes down at least to my shoulders)
The bottom picture emphasizes your androgyny. The facial hair/shadow is a "tell". The midline hair part also says male.
The top picture looks decidedly more female to me. The jaw doesn't seem to me to be a problem, face on.
Quote from: Christine167 on August 10, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
So this is me before coming out. I'm the one on the left:
This is me still pre-everything with a wig and some fem clothes:
I know I need to get rid of the beard and I am putting the money away for that. I also need to get into learning to do make up as I have no make or any idea of how to apply it yet.
Outside of that what are you thoughts?
I don't think the mountain man in the top left is even related to the girl in the other pictures. Good starting place. Clearer pics might help, but camera phones only do so much.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 10, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
BTW, nice avatar Michelle. You look so so pretty but maybe it's just that cute baby next to you JK lol
:P Thanks
Hi There! Thought Id jump in here. Ive been a year and a half with hormones, have also been out for the same. This is a self portrait.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3740%2F9492401640_713ea67f76_b.jpg&hash=23ced9147e78511304ac6a37c032e05f3cf739b5) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/)
Lighting experiment (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/) by Leslley Scotte (http://www.flickr.com/people/leslleyscotte/), on Flickr
And
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7297%2F9318461945_2b4da639cc_b.jpg&hash=0b3c74b5b3a096e5baad1a19d946de854a75143e) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9318461945/)
Selfie 2.0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9318461945/) by Leslley Scotte (http://www.flickr.com/people/leslleyscotte/), on Flickr
Judging from the first photo you are even more successful in taking pictures as you are in being a girl. Congrats!
Quote from: Leslley Scotte on August 12, 2013, 01:40:17 AM
Hi There! Thought Id jump in here. Ive been a year and a half with hormones, have also been out for the same. This is a self portrait.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3740%2F9492401640_713ea67f76_b.jpg&hash=23ced9147e78511304ac6a37c032e05f3cf739b5) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/)
Lighting experiment (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/) by Leslley Scotte (http://www.flickr.com/people/leslleyscotte/), on Flickr
Lesley,
Where have you been hiding girl! I like the top photo, the other photo not so much for feminine traits. I'd try a different hair style to minimize the height of your forehead which appears rather masculine. Other than that you're looking pretty!
Quote from: Rosa on August 12, 2013, 06:23:48 PM
I've been full time for over 6 months, no HRT but also no T due to Kleinfelters. I took these pics trying to get something for an online profile but worried about whether the passed or not. I know the one with glasses needs bang work. I usually keep my hair in a pony. Comments?
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Hola Rosa,
I actually like your looks in the bottom photo best, your hair is like mine and needs a lot of treatment to liven it up, but you're much better looking in the bottom photo with the perm and bangs are good for you even though they need some work. I'd avoid a pony tail unless you intend to present more androgynously. Nice to see you dear!
Quote from: Rosa on August 12, 2013, 06:23:48 PM
I've been full time for over 6 months, no HRT but also no T due to Kleinfelters. I took these pics trying to get something for an online profile but worried about whether the passed or not. I know the one with glasses needs bang work. I usually keep my hair in a pony. Comments?
I would agree with Shantel - I like the bottom photo the best. I also think the hair looks better down.
Quote from: Leslley Scotte on August 12, 2013, 01:40:17 AM
Hi There! Thought Id jump in here. Ive been a year and a half with hormones, have also been out for the same. This is a self portrait.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3740%2F9492401640_713ea67f76_b.jpg&hash=23ced9147e78511304ac6a37c032e05f3cf739b5) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/)
Lighting experiment (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/) by Leslley Scotte (http://www.flickr.com/people/leslleyscotte/), on Flickr
That photo is especially nice. :)
I have to have my hair up at work, plus down it blows all over. I have thought about bangs but hate to cut my hair. In the one pic I was trying to get a bang look. No perm though, ts all natural. Curls when wet and stays unless I comb it out, but then gets wiry and frizzy.
I haven't started HRT yet, still trying what I can on my own until the stars come into alignment and get the rest of the process started. I like to think I look mostly passable so long as my face is spackled thoroughly...
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Quote from: Jaelithe on August 12, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
I haven't started HRT yet, still trying what I can on my own until the stars come into alignment and get the rest of the process started. I like to think I look mostly passable so long as my face is spackled thoroughly...
Makeup definitely helps transform a face but you went way overboard on everything except the lips.
Eyeshadow isn't something most women wear and does nothing to feminize faces tbh, it can actually do the opposite.
Blush is too intense and your nose contour is too dark.
eyeliner is also a tad too thick.
I'm sure with more subtle makeup you can pass facially.
Quote from: Leslley Scotte on August 12, 2013, 01:40:17 AM
Hi There! Thought Id jump in here. Ive been a year and a half with hormones, have also been out for the same. This is a self portrait.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3740%2F9492401640_713ea67f76_b.jpg&hash=23ced9147e78511304ac6a37c032e05f3cf739b5) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslleyscotte/9492401640/)
That's pretty spectacular photography. And the model is cute too. :)
Quote from: Rosa on August 12, 2013, 06:23:48 PM
I've been full time for over 6 months, no HRT but also no T due to Kleinfelters. I took these pics trying to get something for an online profile but worried about whether the passed or not. I know the one with glasses needs bang work. I usually keep my hair in a pony. Comments?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi287.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll127%2FImplicatus%2FRobertina%2FPhoto445.jpg&hash=8ccfb9cd7f3067fb8299d702834cdebcbb513844)
I'm liking the curl, girl ;)
Quote from: Jamie_Taylor on July 31, 2013, 11:37:35 AM
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"She's got legs. She knows how to use 'em"
Quote from: CaseyB on August 13, 2013, 02:07:03 AM
I don't think this is true. Most women do wear eyeshadow. Maybe not all the time, maybe usually in more natural colors, but I'd say almost every woman who wears makeup at all has and uses eyeshadow. However, most makeup artists will agree that if you are going to try to make your lips stand out, avoid making the eyes stand out and vice-versa
I'd agree with you on the blush though.
Again, this is just opinion, I'd probably go with either thinner eyeliner and possibly even not go with black, but I think the eyeshadow looks fine as it is. I'm no expert.
Most women I know don't often wear eyeshadow - at least not during the day..
Makeup is one of those things that seems to cause contention.. And it all boils down to location and age.. As a late 30's woman, I almost never wear eyeshadow during the dau, unless it's a special occasion.. Going out at night? I'll wear it for sure..
Quote from: CaseyB on August 13, 2013, 02:07:03 AM
Again, this is just opinion, I'd probably go with either thinner eyeliner and possibly even not go with black, but I think the eyeshadow looks fine as it is. I'm no expert.
Yeah, but eyeshadow is usually at least 2 colors, one on the lid and a darker color in the crease.
I'm pointing out that hers is one solid color from lid to her eyebrow, it's a bit much. If this was a look for night time, sure, but what she has on is definitely not a day time look which is the point isn't it? Passing as female?
Even though I've seen plenty of women that go out to bars with no makeup on. The most I've seen is just eyeliner + mascara + blush and *maybe* lipstick.
Every day women don't wear much makeup like Kelly said.
Wow, lots of good advice here. Looking more critically at my pics I think I agree about the blush/eyeliner/nose. Especially my nose, it just looks like a blotch of some kind of mess on my face. The thick eyeliner looks more suited to my clubbing outfits than it does to something like this, so thinner and less dark is probably the way to go there.
Part of my problem is likely that I've been practicing from more heavily made up looks, which really don't look right as an every-day style. Thanks for the feedback, I'll post again when I cook up something a bit more subtle!
@Christina, second pic, you are making it girl.
@Jamie-Taylor, you look delicious girl.
@Rosa, so nice to see you & recognize a face with a name. The wavy curls really work for you, very femme.
@Leslley Scotte, I went through all your photos, you have a way with a camera, excellent. The side lit photo of you, you look darling!
Trying to catch up to the posts of all these Beautiful ladies! Keep doing what your are doing!
Hugs
Jamie
just done new pic 5 weeks 5days on hrt no make up on in pic long way to go yet before pass but been living full life for over a year
Looking good Stacey. I can definitely see some changes since your last pic. Keep it up. :)
Amy
thanks amy
Quote from: stacey fisher on August 13, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
just done new pic 5 weeks 5days on hrt no make up on in pic long way to go yet before pass but been living full life for over a year
Definitely moving in the right direction
thanks casey
Quote from: PrincessPatience on August 14, 2013, 12:56:42 AM
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Already pass in my opinion.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on August 14, 2013, 12:56:42 AM
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You not only pass in these pictures, especially the top two, you look really pretty.
Hey Princess, the hairpiece nicely frames your long femme shaped face. Trim your eyebrows. You must have light colored fair facial hair to not have any make up on, I don't see any 5 o'clock shadow. Good starting place for hrt. You already pass Beautifully. You are going to look Great once hormones do their job!
Quote from: PrincessPatience on August 14, 2013, 12:56:42 AM
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Thats a pass as-is right now in my opinion.
Quote from: Natalie_D on August 14, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
Really nervous to post online, but please give me your completely honest feedback. Don't simply be nice.
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Hate to say this but you might be posting in the wrong thread. I think there's one for "could I pass one day" if that's what you're really asking.
Quote from: Natalie_D on August 14, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
Really nervous to post online, but please give me your completely honest feedback. Don't simply be nice.
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I see no reason why you could not present as female. You are young and handsome - good foundation. You look to have a bit of a brow ridge. That's what FFS is for.
If you don't believe anything is possible, look at the "Before & After" topic!
And welcome to the site :)
EDIT: Casey, that former topic has been merged to create this one.
It is time to get more serious now. So this is kinda mix between "do I look female" and "do I pass" - I kinda think that I dont, but I would like to know where are my current flaws. I was trying to get more creative, adding fem accessory. I am wearing light foundation and mascara (which You cant see, because I still suck at making pics - yay!). Behold - the flat-chested androgynous bitch! Ooops... I hope that is NOT considered a swearing word :P
Oh oh ... runny nose is ruining my foundation... :P
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Quote from: Natalie_D on August 14, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
Really nervous to post online, but please give me your completely honest feedback. Don't simply be nice.
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Yeah, brow ridge could be a giveaway. Othewise... thin down Your eyebrows a bit - make them less unruly :) The purpose is to see how high they are set for You - its kinda impossible to guess at the moment. You deff need to shave more :) Nice eyes and nose, as far as I can see. I cant really get impression about Your chin, but at least it is not the brick-square type. Your jaw looks like it could have a bit of ovalness - which could be good - but I really have no idea if those are bones or muscles on it. If muscles - the HRT will do wonders there to make Your face more narrow one. Nice hair too and it is not receding :). You could be fine with the HRT and some minor FFS.
And I do not see the Adam's apple - which is A BIG bonus /jealous here/ ;)
Quote from: Natalie_D on August 15, 2013, 04:44:36 AM
Ok....here are a few more for further consideration. I could really use some confirmation that I really am trans.
Bad news - You are not going to get that :) Even Your therapist wont give You a definite answer - just questions to lead Your way. This is solely Your journey and Your decision.
Good news - You can expect a lot of encouragement and competent advice. The fact that You officially registered and posted Your pics... it is a kinda giveaway that You most probably are trans. Oh wait... being a trans is not good news. Not at all!
Cheers and hugs :)
As for Your pics (this is the first encouragement here - and pretty competent one ;) )- You probably might need a smallish FFS.. probably. As for the HRT - I cant see why You should not be fine on it. I have seen transition videos on the Youtube where people, who looked vaguely similar to Your type, did just fine.
Well in that case... the FUN TIMES are just only beginning :)
Quote from: -Emily- on August 15, 2013, 04:56:03 AM
Oh wait... being a trans is not good news. Not at all!
This is not how everyone feels here ;) I love being trans and was overjoyed when I allowed myself to discover that there was no reason to feel like I am some sort of weirdo.
Natalie- I can't see any glaring issues, but the brow bossing situation may or may not need to be corrected eventually. A lot of that can also turn out to be muscle that goes down with HRT.
As far as encouragement, I would say that we all have to start somewhere. There's just no telling if someone is trans solely based on their looks. Some trans people start off looking naturally comfortable within their gender identity, while some of us start off looking so far into the depths of masculinity that it can make your head spin when you see the before and after! It's amazing how varied the spectrum is.
It is a question you'll ultimately have to answer yourself, just as Emily said. Maybe with a little introduction it would make more or less sense to people and we would be able to offer you some good advice. There is a section on these forums for intros if you are interested in getting some proper feedback on the topic of your trans-ness :)
Quote from: -Emily- on August 15, 2013, 03:32:21 AM
It is time to get more serious now. So this is kinda mix between "do I look female" and "do I pass" - I kinda think that I dont, but I would like to know where are my current flaws. I was trying to get more creative, adding fem accessory. I am wearing light foundation and mascara (which You cant see, because I still suck at making pics - yay!). Behold - the flat-chested androgynous bitch! Ooops... I hope that is considered a swearing word :P
Emily,
For a flat-chested androgynous B-word person you certainly have a lovely face with very feminine attributes and a healthy looking body to get started with. We know all things are possible nor don't we? Don't be too critical of yourself, it's early!
Quote from: Shantel on August 15, 2013, 08:52:49 AM
Emily,
For a flat-chested androgynous B-word person you certainly have a lovely face with very feminine attributes and a healthy looking body to get started with. We know all things are possible nor don't we? Don't be too critical of yourself, it's early!
Was that a very polite way to say "Nope", Shanty? ;)
Or was it "possibly passable"? :) :)
Quote from: -Emily- on August 15, 2013, 11:08:25 AM
Was that a very polite way to say "Nope", Shanty? ;)
Or was it "possibly passable"? :) :)
Not at all, just saying that you look nice and have a pretty face already and your body is a good platform for development of female secondary characteristics. You are reading into it a lot deeper than my intent, such a girly thing to do though!
Quote from: Shantel on August 15, 2013, 11:36:56 AM
You are reading into it a lot deeper than my intent, such a girly thing to do though!
Oh, this made me laugh :)
Indeed, we are the worst critics of ourselves.
I went to a support group tonight for the first time. It was nice to meet other trans people in person rather than just on the internet. We were talking about being out and I said that I dont know where I am on that, I present how I present, which is like in my pics. They said that I look neither male or female but androgynous. I'm not hyperfeminine, but I think I lean more towards female.
Just got home, here's how I look tonight.
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Quote from: michelle666 on August 15, 2013, 09:05:00 PM
I went to a support group tonight for the first time. It was nice to meet other trans people in person rather than just on the internet. We were talking about being out and I said that I dont know where I am on that, I present how I present, which is like in my pics. They said that I look neither male or female but androgynous. I'm not hyperfeminine, but I think I lean more towards female.
Just got home, here's how I look tonight.
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You look female to me! not sure where they got the androgynous thing.
Quote from: michelle666 on August 15, 2013, 09:05:00 PM
I went to a support group tonight for the first time. It was nice to meet other trans people in person rather than just on the internet. We were talking about being out and I said that I dont know where I am on that, I present how I present, which is like in my pics. They said that I look neither male or female but androgynous. I'm not hyperfeminine, but I think I lean more towards female.
Just got home, here's how I look tonight.
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Maybe they were just jealous Michelle. I know I hung out with this trans girl I know last week and she upset me so much that I broke down crying because she kept telling me that I don't pass and I'll never pass and everyone will always know I am trans. But all she cares about is boobs and my BF said she was just jealous as I have a nice bod and I was showing off some cleavage. I bet the same thing happened to you because you def pass and look female, not androgynous. Some trans girls can be so horrid when hanging with their BFF, the green eyed monster. BTW, I lovelovelove Joy Division!
Quote from: -Emily- on August 15, 2013, 03:32:21 AM
It is time to get more serious now. So this is kinda mix between "do I look female" and "do I pass" - I kinda think that I dont, but I would like to know where are my current flaws. I was trying to get more creative, adding fem accessory. I am wearing light foundation and mascara (which You cant see, because I still suck at making pics - yay!). Behold - the flat-chested androgynous bitch! Ooops... I hope that is NOT considered a swearing word :P
Oh oh ... runny nose is ruining my foundation... :P
Well you eyebrows look great. You did a good job plucking them and they're a nice, feminine shape. I know you can't do much right now but maybe you could try to fashion your hair into a more feminine style. You might be doing that do hide a possibly receding hairline, but I'm not 100 percent on that. it's not bad and something that can be worked around. As far as your overall face shape, it's not square and seems to be egg-shaped or oval That's good news. I think you have nice facial shape. What you need most though is just more time on HRT. Once the facial fat shifts around a little bit more and you accumulate more time on female hormones I have no doubt you would pass. Maybe you could pass now but you seem to be presenting male in the images and are dressed male so that can really throw off the overall look.
Also, maybe use some more makeup. makeup is a trans girl's best friend as it can really feminize you so much. I know myself when I was at about your mark on HRT I could put on makeup (foundation, blush, eyeliner, smoky eyeshadow, mascara and a teeny but of light pink lipstick) and it really feminized me so much. If you don't want to that's perfectly fine too but it can make a dramatic difference as will more femme clothes. I think you have the mannerisms down and you're confident so I think you're halfway home and though you don't pass in these pictures (presentation, presentation, presentation) I think you will def reach a male fail point in the future. You will def pass and prolly without any need for FFS or anything. I can't see any bossing or dramatically male features. You have a pretty androgynous base so I have high hopes for you. And you're one of the nicest, sweetest people on this forum so you have that going for you too.
Quote from: Natalie_D on August 15, 2013, 04:44:36 AM
Ok....here are a few more for further consideration. I could really use some confirmation that I really am trans and encouragement to start transition.
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Well you are presenting pretty male in these pictures and have quite a bit of early beard growth going on. It's hard to say what else other then what you have been told about the brow bossing but overall i think you have a good foundation to work with. I have seen plenty of girls on YT more masculine then you who turned out totally femme after a year on HRT. I agree with Emily too no one can tell you you are trans as it is completely self-diagnosed but since you are here and obviously wanting to know if you could pass as female one day that it is pretty good indication you are trans. You could go on HRT and that would tell you right away (within three months) whether or not you are trans. if you hate HRT and its effects, you probably are not trans. There is only one way to find out, TBH.
BTW, if nothing else, as a guy you are totally hot! And hot guys make hot girls!
Quote from: Natalie_D on August 15, 2013, 05:04:22 AM
Actually, being trans would be great news! It would explain decades of confusion and give me a path forward of hope and excitement.
If the thought of being female appeals more to you than being male, good news! This is going to sound weird, but just follow what feels right to you. There's no need to label yourself if you just accept that life has no predetermined path, and deeper self-analysis is only going to add confusion and, eventually, doubt.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 15, 2013, 11:03:23 PM
Well you are presenting pretty male in these pictures and have quite a bit of early beard growth going on. It's hard to say what else other then what you have been told about the brow bossing but overall i think you have a good foundation to work with. I have seen plenty of girls on YT more masculine then you who turned out totally femme after a year on HRT. I agree with Emily too no one can tell you you are trans as it is completely self-diagnosed but since you are here and obviously wanting to know if you could pass as female one day that it is pretty good indication you are trans. You could go on HRT and that would tell you right away (within three months) whether or not you are trans. if you hate HRT and its effects, you probably are not trans. There is only one way to find out, TBH.
BTW, if nothing else, as a guy you are totally hot! And hot guys make hot girls!
Thank you! All of this response is so much appreciated. And I admit that it's a fair point. The fact that I'm at a point where I was willing to post a bunch of pictures of myself here probably says something.
Hello everyone, I find topics like these quite uplifting, and I'm amazed that there seems to be such genuine concern & so many helpful comments, especially in a time when internet forums can be filled with lots of trolls and troublemakers. I just though I'd say this, as I'm genuinely impressed.
Anywho, I thought I'd post on this forum as despite being currently Androgyne - I acknowledge that I would faaaaaar prefer looking female than male. I've preferred to look female since I was 13, however I was too frightened to explore that wish and what it might mean until recently. Annie whey, this is me right now - My features tend to look VERY different in different lights, hence the different photos. No hormones or intervention. There's no processing on these photos. There's a light powder on my skin for the first three shots, eyeliner and I've shaved as close as I can.
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What are your thoughts please? Thanks for your time btw!
Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on August 16, 2013, 03:27:22 PM
Hello everyone, I find topics like these quite uplifting, and I'm amazed that there seems to be such genuine concern & so many helpful comments, especially in a time when internet forums can be filled with lots of trolls and troublemakers. I just though I'd say this, as I'm genuinely impressed.
Anywho, I thought I'd post on this forum as despite being currently Androgyne - I acknowledge that I would faaaaaar prefer looking female than male. I've preferred to look female since I was 13, however I was too frightened to explore that wish and what it might mean until recently. Annie whey, this is me right now - My features tend to look VERY different in different lights, hence the different photos. No hormones or intervention. There's no processing on these photos. There's a light powder on my skin for the first three shots, eyeliner and I've shaved as close as I can.
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What are your thoughts please? Thanks for your time btw!
Zowie, I think you are just darling, love the dress on you. You are seriously female through and through, better run with it sweetie!
Oh thank you Shantel :) Like the best surprise-buys, I found it at a thrift shop. Its all about the maxi-dresses! I love them. Thank you for the comment about looking female too, its cheered me up. I hope you've had a good evening too. Despite liking a lot about being male, I feel this massive happy rush if someone says that I look female or feminine. I don't understand why I feel like this, it makes absolutely no sense :P
QuoteActually, being trans would be great news! It would explain decades of confusion and give me a path forward of hope and excitement.
That statement rings a bell with me - it would be "great" news to know I'm not going nuts, and be able to pinpoint and explain exactly why I've had certain feelings & wishes for years (although perhaps the actual technical aspect of transition would most likely be quite scary and upsetting). I'm quite a pessimist when it comes to myself ;D
Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 15, 2013, 11:03:23 PM
BTW, if nothing else, as a guy you are totally hot! And hot guys make hot girls!
You know, I have found that to be very true.
Stella, you have such lovely eyes...cliche time, lol, but they really are like big pools one could dive into.
Natalie D, you make me want to post pictures of myself - but I think its hard to tell how we will look. But from what I've gathered if your pretty attractive as a guy you actually look pretty attractive as a girl.
I know this is one of my bigger concerns with transitioning if I will like the way I look as a female. I don't think my male-self is ugly but I don't think most would call me hot :embarrassed:, then again I have pretty low self-confidences all my life. ;D
@Stella, in the big pic you look like the real deal female! Love the hair and your dress is gorgeous. As you say petite, same here. Should you transition you are going to have the Wow factor!
Good to see you have gotten involved here with quite a few posts.
Enjoy
Jamie
Quote from: -Emily- on August 15, 2013, 03:32:21 AM
It is time to get more serious now. So this is kinda mix between "do I look female" and "do I pass" - I kinda think that I dont, but I would like to know where are my current flaws.
I'd say yes and no. You look very androgynous right now. But with longer hair and more feminine clothes you would totally pass. If I were told that you are female and wouldn't know anything trans of you, I'd buy it already. If I wasn't I'd probably try to avoid using pronouns when talking to you.
Quote from: michelle666 on August 15, 2013, 09:05:00 PM
They said that I look neither male or female but androgynous. I'm not hyperfeminine, but I think I lean more towards female.
Just got home, here's how I look tonight.
I'd say the same as you do. But I can understand why the support group chose androgynous. You don't use very feninine clothing, you have some tattoo which might be more "agressive" and the forum can't hear your voice.
That said, with more feminine clothing you'd absolutely pass. And I'd wear the glasses; in my eyes it's more feminine with them.
Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on August 16, 2013, 03:27:22 PM
What are your thoughts please? Thanks for your time btw!
The bigger picture? Hot! Absolutely.
Thanks for the comments :-) My face is rather masculinised, but I get the odd "are you male?" question from kids or older people, so do I look a bit androgynous sometimes too, or not? Ultimately I'd need FFS for forehead and nose, adam's apple and forehead, but I would hope that I'd get some `sort of HRT benefit.
Caleb
Thank ye, I do wonder that my eyes will make me appear more like Gollum when I'm older though. I'd better stop my hair loss or I most likely will be a dead-ringer for Gollum. Could be a money-maker though...
Jamiep
Haha, yes "petite" is a much more charming way of saying "short". Way to go for having a confidence boost. Saying "petite" is much more agreeable. I am curious as to what could happen with female fat distribution of one is petite though, the slowing of metabolism worries me, as I love to go for runs...umm...but I also have a massive weakness for sugar. Boh. And frothy coffees, anyone else?
Thank you, I'm usually a lurker when it comes to forums, and I can't think what to say, but on here it feels easier to raise a topic or to contribute to someone else's.
Thanks PiaBianca, I guess most people have something they feel the most confident & attractive in :-) I think I definitely look male in the big picture, shoulders, arms and lower facial musculature, but perhaps these would change. I don't know if I'd ever take a full dose of HRT so on a low-dose, perhaps the changes might be mostly internal. It's hard to know where each person's "biting-point" may be - that slight physical change that tips the balance from male to female in the eyes of people, and how much HRT or FFS to get to that point.
Beautiful avatar photo Stella, you look very elegant :)
@Joanna
Thanks for the hints! Really, I cant do much with my hair now - the style I tried in pics is the closest to something I would call feminine :P - apart of tying it in a tail behind, of course, but pics would not show that. It is getting really thick and biotine increases the growth, but its... slow :P. And I am 100% believer of everything natural so I am not at all into this whole wigs affair. Not at all.
It is funny that everyone referred to my male presentation :) - because that jacket is female - stole it from my ex's wardrobe. It is female S, so it was kinda tight, or maybe its color was the issue? ;) When I am out on the streets with outfit like this, I keep getting double looks and stares - mostly from middle aged men.
Makeup, yep. I am going to move out sometime soon in the next month or something, so when all the crying will be over, I will start practicing with makeup more. So far, I have only mastered (or rather apprenticed :P ) mascara and feel quite comfortable with it. Currently, I am just not doing it to avoid unnecessary tensions with those I am living together.
Awww and that very last personal comment made me smile a lot :).
@PiaBianca
You totally made my day :). <3
Quote from: Bardoux on August 17, 2013, 05:17:54 PM
Beautiful avatar photo Stella, you look very elegant :)
Thank you Bardoux! Its a dress from a Japanese fashion called "EGL", Victorian and Rococo influences.
I've got a very bony face, how can one tell whether HRT will do anything?
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Michelle 666 - I think you look overtly female in your picture, as a whole. I would have said at first looks that you are a very tomboyish female with an androgynous presentation and a - quite pleasing - mixture of masculine/feminine features. Your face shape with large cheeks than lower jaw, large open eyes, and seemingly no hairline recession (and full hair) made me not notice the more masculine lips and stubble when making my assumption. That's pretty damn good going!
Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on August 18, 2013, 01:25:45 PM
I've got a very bony face, how can one tell whether HRT will do anything?
It will definitely soften it up! And those cheekbones.... OMG, I thought my were great, but Yours.... /me jealous
In this pic You do remind me of Starbuck from the BSG. Yep, very much of her :)
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 18, 2013, 02:49:07 PM
Me today, can't wait for my hair to grow and to lose the beard shadow :(
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You certainly could pass for female, nice face, everything about you is nice. The beard will have to go and you'll need a tracheal shave to reduce the adam's apple. Great eyebrows, just a lot of little tweaking and longer hair with a nice style and you'll be good to go.
Emily - Thank ye, I'm sure you have equally as prominent cheekbones though! I really like your jacket in profile pic btw. To me it looks female as male jackets almost always fall below the hips, too. My cheekbones seem to be a good feature of my face perhaps, but without anything to hang on them, I kinda look rather ill and jagged I guess. What does HRT do to the face in general?
Alice in genderland - amazing eyes, very clear and bright!!
Quote from: Shantel on August 18, 2013, 03:44:00 PM
You certainly could pass for female, nice face, everything about you is nice. The beard will have to go and you'll need a tracheal shave to reduce the adam's apple. Great eyebrows, just a lot of little tweaking and longer hair with a nice style and you'll be good to go.
Thanks! I'm iffy about the tracheal shave, last I heard it was a very risky procedure.
Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on August 18, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
Alice in genderland - amazing eyes, very clear and bright!!
Thanks, I really like my eyes too, you can't tell except up close but they actually have some yellow streaks in them so my eyes look green in certain light.
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 18, 2013, 04:35:10 PM
Thanks! I'm iffy about the tracheal shave, last I heard it was a very risky procedure.
Not risky at all, people do it all the time and have excellent results. If you want to present female and show an adams apple you have just outed yourself.
Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on August 18, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
Emily - Thank ye, I'm sure you have equally as prominent cheekbones though! I really like your jacket in profile pic btw. To me it looks female as male jackets almost always fall below the hips, too. My cheekbones seem to be a good feature of my face perhaps, but without anything to hang on them, I kinda look rather ill and jagged I guess. What does HRT do to the face in general?
Aww, thanks :) You are complaining that there is nothing to hang on Your cheekbones, so that is the HRT is going to take care about :). Putting fat on them and rounding them up :). And with that extra fat and meat on Your cheekbones You should be looking extremely hot ;). Also that will smooth down Your jawline, which looks very feminine to me too.
Quote from: Shantel on August 18, 2013, 06:22:58 PM
Not risky at all, people do it all the time and have excellent results. If you want to present female and show an adams apple you have just outed yourself.
Really? I have a visible adams apple.. And I pass just fine - and that's not my opinion, it's my experiences..
Shan, I thought you of all people would avoid such blanket statements, I'm disappointed..
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 19, 2013, 01:40:04 AM
Really? I have a visible adams apple.. And I pass just fine - and that's not my opinion, it's my experiences..
Shan, I thought you of all people would avoid such blanket statements, I'm disappointed..
But Kelly, women don't have an adam's apple. That's not to say all man have prominent or visible adam's apples but if someone was to look closely for whatever reason, seeing an adam's apple settles the matter that you were born male.
i heard you can have your adams apple raised up which not only hides it but also increases the pitch of your voice
Quote from: Bardoux on August 19, 2013, 03:36:12 AM
But Kelly, women don't have an adam's apple. That's not to say all man have prominent or visible adam's apples but if someone was to look closely for whatever reason, seeing an adam's apple settles the matter that you were born male.
I guess that means my mother, aunt and grandmother must have all been men..
And my uncle who lacks one must be a woman..
EDIT: See what I mean about blanket statements?
Pardon my sneaking in. I grew up with a girl who had and has a large adams apple, since junior high.
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 19, 2013, 04:00:41 AM
I guess that means my mother, aunt and grandmother must have all been men..
And my uncle who lacks one must be a woman..
EDIT: See what I mean about blanket statements?
Well i did say not all men have prominent adam's apples.
I stand corrected Kelly, women can also have a large prominent larynx...
Quote from: Kelly the Trans-Rebel on August 19, 2013, 01:40:04 AM
Really? I have a visible adams apple.. And I pass just fine - and that's not my opinion, it's my experiences..
Shan, I thought you of all people would avoid such blanket statements, I'm disappointed..
Don't waste your time being disappointed in me, I have a penchant for disappointing a lot of people, but I call it as I see it and it's just my opinion anyway so wtf huh? Anyway, there are women with prominent larynx's most notably the very obnoxious Ann Coulter, there is night and day differences between the appearance of an adam's apple and a prominent larynx to the discerning eye.
Shame there's some disquiet over the issue of male and female vocal chords. Shame, as no one seems to meaning to cause offence. Shantel, Kelly the Trans Rebel and Alice in Genderland are all right, you're all on the same team!
Male vocal chords tend to be larger than female vocal chords upon hitting puberty, however there is (like with other sexually diamorphic traits) the propensity for overlap. From what I've read, the female vocal chord size when at its largest is the smallest that an adult natal male's can be. I've noticed that petite or very slim women also have more visible vocal chords simply because they are skinnier around the neck.
So equally valid to say that -Having prominent vocal chords & larynx will not neccesarily "out" you as MAAB, if you happen to be within the female range and/or have many other facial attributes well within female range.
However, larger vocal chords, Adam's apple and larynx, can be seen as a masculine trait and therefore if there's any doubts to whether your a cis-female - the chords can give you away. Its definitely something that people seem to look for. Vast majority of the public WILL see larger vocals chords and become suspicious, IF there is reason to make them doubt the birth sex in the first place. This is not a generalisation either, this is what happens in practice. Doesn't have to define whether people will see you as a cis-female or not though, but it can go a long way for their basing their opinion, potentially.
Quotei heard you can have your adams apple raised up which not only hides it but also increases the pitch of your voice
That's very intriguing Lucy! Never heard of that before. Please do tell... :-)
I tend to think of it this way (everyone's going to be different, though): if I already had a number of subtle masculine traits going on (visible adam's apple, shoulder/hip ratio, hand size, brow ridge, jawline, etc) then I feel the need to correct as many glaring issues as I can within reason.
These things add up to how someone genders you (on an individual level). So, if you only have a subtle amount of masculine features elsewhere, getting the T shave might be all that you need to tip the scales.
It's a wonderful procedure for those like me who had a VERY prominent adam's apple. Even if they don't take all of it away and there is still a slight lump there it's okay, the most important thing is changing the angle of the adam's apple from 90deg to 120deg.
Blah, I'm pretty sure I blend in as just another woman, looks-wise, but not sure if yes, no, fab thread, etc. Just under 9.5 months HRT lying in bed on holiday/vacation in Canada, so just my bare face, as I was home all today. Please don't quote the image or link to said photo, but feel more than free to respond. :) Thanks! (Last I checked, this is an allowable request, right?)
http://tinypic.com/r/mbqovl/5
Quote from: Bardoux on August 19, 2013, 03:36:12 AM
But Kelly, women don't have an adam's apple. That's not to say all man have prominent or visible adam's apples but if someone was to look closely for whatever reason, seeing an adam's apple settles the matter that you were born male.
The "laryngeal prominence" is a "lump or protrusion [in the human neck] that is formed by the angle of the thyroid cartilage surrounding the larynx."
In many natal males it is considered a secondary sexual characteristic, which appears during puberty. It is primarily composed of cartilage.
I don't have one (MAAB). Natal women have them too, but they are far less noticeable.
Quote from: Jennygirl on August 19, 2013, 02:43:46 PM
I tend to think of it this way (everyone's going to be different, though): if I already had a number of subtle masculine traits going on (visible adam's apple, shoulder/hip ratio, hand size, brow ridge, jawline, etc) then I feel the need to correct as many glaring issues as I can within reason.
These things add up to how someone genders you (on an individual level). So, if you only have a subtle amount of masculine features elsewhere, getting the T shave might be all that you need to tip the scales.
It's a wonderful procedure for those like me who had a VERY prominent adam's apple. Even if they don't take all of it away and there is still a slight lump there it's okay, the most important thing is changing the angle of the adam's apple from 90deg to 120deg.
pretty much 100% on point. It's about the totality of your appearance and presentation. As a talk girl, I will certain get a tracheal shave because its doable and since dropping 4 inches is not
Someone post a picture and get us back on topic!
I did, hehe, eagerly awaiting a response, one for interest, the other to do just that. I feel so yucky lately, and feel I look like a freak...
Jess of course you don't look like a freak! I wouldn't want anyone to ever think of themselves like that.
I think it's more the angle of the photo but it seems to make your chin and jawline more prominent than it actually is? Judging from your avatar pic you really have not much of a problem in that area, so as i say it's more like the angle. I'm also seeing a faint shadow above your top lip? These two things taken together makes you look more androgynous than outright female. I know that feeling!
Please do not less this dishearten you in anyway. I think you look great in your avatar pic!!
Quote from: Jesstrogen on August 19, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Blah, I'm pretty sure I blend in as just another woman, looks-wise, but not sure if yes, no, fab thread, etc. Just under 9.5 months HRT lying in bed on holiday/vacation in Canada, so just my bare face, as I was home all today. Please don't quote the image or link to said photo, but feel more than free to respond. :) Thanks! (Last I checked, this is an allowable request, right?)
Given that you are just "slumming," and not trying to look feminine, you look pretty feminine.
Want to get back on topic? Just wondering you think I will pass or? I mean socially and vocally I do; but it's my physical appearance that worries me. I don't much care about my forehead I have my mommy's forehead so that makes me happy that I know another woman with my forehead. For reference I'm 5'10; and I have been taking better care of my hair recently and it's more full.
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Hooray for button nose!
Quote from: Allison on August 21, 2013, 11:25:20 PM
Want to get back on topic? Just wondering you think I will pass or? I mean socially and vocally I do; but it's my physical appearance that worries me. I don't much care about my forehead I have my mommy's forehead so that makes me happy that I know another woman with my forehead. For reference I'm 5'10; and I have been taking better care of my hair recently and it's more full.
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Hooray for button nose!
Hard to totally tell without a better picture but you are pretty good looking so I'd be surprised if you had a lot of trouble passing even with just changing a few small things like clothes and hairstyle.
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 21, 2013, 11:37:09 PM
Hard to totally tell without a better picture but you are pretty good looking so I'd be surprised if you had a lot of trouble passing even with just changing a few small things like clothes and hairstyle.
This was roughly 2 years ago; and I haven't changed pretty much all. This is a little more recent being from only 6 months ago; I've always hated how I looked so actual pictures of myself are scarce
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This links to higher res I guess
This is me from day to day :) Sometimes light makeup sometimes darker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg)
Quote from: Allison on August 22, 2013, 12:10:21 AM
This was roughly 2 years ago; and I haven't changed pretty much all. This is a little more recent being from only 6 months ago; I've always hated how I looked so actual pictures of myself are scarce
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This links to higher res I guess
You don't have a lot of overly masculine features besides the hair,clothing and pose. You honestly will have no trouble passing with a little effort.
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 22, 2013, 01:48:38 AM
You don't have a lot of overly masculine features besides the hair,clothing and pose. You honestly will have no trouble passing with a little effort.
Yeah my hair is usually what pegs me. When in public I tried my best to act masculine but I pretty walk feminine and just gesture femininely. My clothing is a bit of an issue considering I'm inbetween jobs at the moment and that is kinda crappy but clothing myself to match was never an issue. Thank you though <3
Allison, I'm gendering the first as pretty clearly male but the second as youthful-androgynous-probably-male. Not a bad place to start.
You're lucky to have that nose and jawline, then again you're not allowed excuses.
Quote from: musicofthenight on August 22, 2013, 10:58:12 AM
Allison, I'm gendering the first as pretty clearly male but the second as youthful-androgynous-probably-male. Not a bad place to start.
You're lucky to have that nose and jawline, then again you're not allowed excuses.
I'm assuming they're both rather feminine?
Yes. D'oh. Could have put that clearer. They're both quite cute.
Thank you <3 first time I've been complimented on my nose and jaw. I always get my eyes; eyebrows and eyelashes.
Hi everyone! I am rather new so please bear with me while I get a hang of posting on this forum.
I have been able to pass with makeup for a while.This was me at 5 months of HRT. http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6092/tj80.jpg But I have always been really self conscious about how I appear without makeup. I am coming up on my 10 month mark on 08/31 and was wondering if anyone thought I pass when I show this picture of me without makeup. http://imageshack.us/f/39/2z98.JPG/
Quote from: MissC on August 22, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
Hi everyone! I am rather new so please bear with me while I get a hang of posting on this forum.
I have been able to pass with makeup for a while.This was me at 5 months of HRT. http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6092/tj80.jpg But I have always been really self conscious about how I appear without makeup. I am coming up on my 10 month mark on 08/31 and was wondering if anyone thought I pass when I show this picture of me without makeup. http://imageshack.us/f/39/2z98.JPG/
definite pass.
Yes, Miss C, you look female to me. Welcome to the site. :)
MissC, Welcome. Either way, you must have light facial hair, I don't see it in your none make up pics. Wonderful complexion, good shaped face for hrt. You do your eyes really well. When you smile your cheeks really shine. Pass either way.
Jamiep
Quote from: faye on August 22, 2013, 12:29:02 AM
This is me from day to day :) Sometimes light makeup sometimes darker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg)
Definitely femme. One face-on picture can't tell the entire story though.
Going with a 'less is more' approach instead of my old 'spackle everything!'. What do you think?
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IMG_0208 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/100205028@N02/9574223277/) by smileypw (http://www.flickr.com/people/100205028@N02/), on Flickr
Jaelithe, You are somewhere in-between, but leaning heavily into female. No, I guess, I am wrong. I keep looking at this pic and I look at diff parts of Your face and well, I am really confused in the positive sense :).
When I look at Your pic, I am getting impression, that if You add or take a little and very subtle bit, and You will totally shift into female. Or, add something else, I can imagine You as very bohemian male artist - male, but deff not masculine.
Your jaw, eyes, cheeks and forehead are 100% female. Your brows have that slight masculinisation effect, but then again Your hair is just great. I cant see Adam's apple either...
Honesly, You just need the HRT - but it will take a long time for You to see the differences, because the only thing You might need from the HRT is that female soft glowing skin, which would tighten Your cheekbones and that's it. You have all the rest and just need to tidy things up.
P.S. I like this pic 100 times more than the one in Your avi...
Quote from: -Emily- on August 23, 2013, 07:42:20 AM
P.S. I like this pic 100 times more than the one in Your avi...
I'll second this..
Quote from: -Emily- on August 23, 2013, 07:42:20 AM
Jaelithe, You are somewhere in-between, but leaning heavily into female. No, I guess, I am wrong. I keep looking at this pic and I look at diff parts of Your face and well, I am really confused in the positive sense :).
When I look at Your pic, I am getting impression, that if You add or take a little and very subtle bit, and You will totally shift into female. Or, add something else, I can imagine You as very bohemian male artist - male, but deff not masculine.
Your jaw, eyes, cheeks and forehead are 100% female. Your brows have that slight masculinisation effect, but then again Your hair is just great. I cant see Adam's apple either...
Honesly, You just need the HRT - but it will take a long time for You to see the differences, because the only thing You might need from the HRT is that female soft glowing skin, which would tighten Your cheekbones and that's it. You have all the rest and just need to tidy things up.
P.S. I like this pic 100 times more than the one in Your avi...
This pic is about 100 times more /me/ than the other one was too. T shirt and jeans with minimal jewelry and makeup. Getting dressed up really fancy is fun once in a while, but far too time consuming for me to deal with on a day to day basis.
Soooo, I guess I'm probably jumping the gun(or just WAY overcritical of myself) by shopping around for FFS prices then? ^^;
Quote from: -Emily- on August 23, 2013, 09:06:40 AM
Say whaaat??? You cant be serious, can You? :) I, myself, am not very much looking into FFS (apart of rhinoplasty, perhaps...) and You have waaay better start than I did :)
Totally serious. I keep seeing all the little things in my reflection that say 'man' to me and they make me want to go curl up in bed again. Of course I can't /do/ that, but I frequently wonder if it could be worth the expense just to never have to see 'man in a dress' in a mirror again x.x
Quote from: Jaelithe on August 23, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
Totally serious. I keep seeing all the little things in my reflection that say 'man' to me and they make me want to go curl up in bed again. Of course I can't /do/ that, but I frequently wonder if it could be worth the expense just to never have to see 'man in a dress' in a mirror again x.x
I don't see any problem with cosmetic surgery to fix something you don't like about yourself. You don't need it to pass but if it helps your confidence it may be worth it. And I'm sure you know very well that you can't expect it to make you happy, that's more an internal thing, still it might be an option.
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 23, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
I don't see any problem with cosmetic surgery to fix something you don't like about yourself. You don't need it to pass but if it helps your confidence it may be worth it. And I'm sure you know very well that you can't expect it to make you happy, that's more an internal thing, still it might be an option.
If I can indeed pass without going that far then it will definitely move down my priority list. I decided that face and voice were the most important parts of passability to me, so I looked into each of those in turn. I should be starting voice therapy this coming month, and if that doesn't produce satisfactory results the Suporn Voice Surgery I've been reading about here looks like a fantastic alternative. As for my face, I suppose there's really a chance that I don't see the posatives because it's mine. If everything goes well, maybe HRT really will correct the flaws. Here's hoping, and looking forward to starting that part of my journey(Waiting has got to be the worst part of this).
This time I'm actually in girl mode, with some light eyeliner. Pass or no?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll236%2Fcheeseisthenewpurple%2FIMG0075_zps9387230a.png&hash=04c399d3b5113515efa07981547d3d6f01635e39)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll236%2Fcheeseisthenewpurple%2FIMG0071_zpsb86ce9d5.png&hash=0f22cbd0c830818b66aa1e762747175650ade18d)
Quote from: toxicblue on August 23, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
This time I'm actually in girl mode, with some light eyeliner. Pass or no?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll236%2Fcheeseisthenewpurple%2FIMG0075_zps9387230a.png&hash=04c399d3b5113515efa07981547d3d6f01635e39)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll236%2Fcheeseisthenewpurple%2FIMG0071_zpsb86ce9d5.png&hash=0f22cbd0c830818b66aa1e762747175650ade18d)
I looked back at some of your previous posts. Definite improvement. The only thing that's really standing out to me still is the brown bone. You might be able to hide this a little better with some bangs or if its an option, FFS. Overall if you have the voice and the carry yourself confidently in a feminine way, you probably won't stand out too much to the average onlooker as male.
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 23, 2013, 10:31:17 AM
I looked back at some of your previous posts. Definite improvement. The only thing that's really standing out to me still is the brown bone. You might be able to hide this a little better with some bangs or if its an option, FFS. Overall if you have the voice and the carry yourself confidently in a feminine way, you probably won't stand out too much to the average onlooker as male.
+1 I totally agree with Alice. You're looking pretty good though Miss!
Quote from: MissC on August 22, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
Hi everyone! I am rather new so please bear with me while I get a hang of posting on this forum.
I have been able to pass with makeup for a while.This was me at 5 months of HRT. http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6092/tj80.jpg But I have always been really self conscious about how I appear without makeup. I am coming up on my 10 month mark on 08/31 and was wondering if anyone thought I pass when I show this picture of me without makeup. http://imageshack.us/f/39/2z98.JPG/
I honestly don't see why you shouldn't. From a "male" perspective, I think you have a very soft, feminine face. At first I thought that the lower half might have a slight broadness to it, but after looking at it for a while, I think it's good. You're very pretty. ;)
Ok, so this is my first time posting and I'm a bit nervous. I haven't gotten to start HRT yet so this is just me with a little foundation and clothes. I know I should start HRT as soon as I can, and my chin is horrible, but anyway what do y'all think? (plus what should I work on first)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1322.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu570%2Fblastradiuss%2FIMG_20130824_015550_zps1f8c45de.jpg&hash=164a7e2fac745ba2d8770f31fbec658d294e75d0) (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/blastradiuss/media/IMG_20130824_015550_zps1f8c45de.jpg.html)
I actually like your chin Blastradius. You look like a very hip chick to me. :)
Quote from: Blastradius on August 24, 2013, 02:26:40 AM
Ok, so this is my first time posting and I'm a bit nervous. I haven't gotten to start HRT yet so this is just me with a little foundation and clothes. I know I should start HRT as soon as I can, and my chin is horrible, but anyway what do y'all think? (plus what should I work on first)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1322.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu570%2Fblastradiuss%2FIMG_20130824_015550_zps1f8c45de.jpg&hash=164a7e2fac745ba2d8770f31fbec658d294e75d0) (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/blastradiuss/media/IMG_20130824_015550_zps1f8c45de.jpg.html)
I think you should work on the focus! ;)
Really though, not HRT, pre-everything? You have a great starting place.
Quote from: toxicblue on August 23, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
This time I'm actually in girl mode, with some light eyeliner. Pass or no?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll236%2Fcheeseisthenewpurple%2FIMG0075_zps9387230a.png&hash=04c399d3b5113515efa07981547d3d6f01635e39)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi289.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll236%2Fcheeseisthenewpurple%2FIMG0071_zpsb86ce9d5.png&hash=0f22cbd0c830818b66aa1e762747175650ade18d)
I agree with Casey, you are making steady progress. One thing you will need to think about, besides the brow bossing down the line, is what looks like a scar on one brow. You can cover that cosmetically. And possibly a tracheal shave.
You don't look like a guy to me, if that's what you're asking.
Quote from: Jaelithe on August 23, 2013, 09:37:37 AM
If I can indeed pass without going that far then it will definitely move down my priority list. I decided that face and voice were the most important parts of passability to me, so I looked into each of those in turn. I should be starting voice therapy this coming month, and if that doesn't produce satisfactory results the Suporn Voice Surgery I've been reading about here looks like a fantastic alternative. As for my face, I suppose there's really a chance that I don't see the posatives because it's mine. If everything goes well, maybe HRT really will correct the flaws. Here's hoping, and looking forward to starting that part of my journey(Waiting has got to be the worst part of this).
If you are contemplating voice surgery, I would urge you to strongly consider Yeson, based on the results from two of our members. The topic was originally posted by JennyGirl, and her post-op results are mind-boggling good.
Quote from: Blastradius on August 24, 2013, 02:26:40 AM
Ok, so this is my first time posting and I'm a bit nervous. I haven't gotten to start HRT yet so this is just me with a little foundation and clothes. I know I should start HRT as soon as I can, and my chin is horrible, but anyway what do y'all think? (plus what should I work on first)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1322.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu570%2Fblastradiuss%2FIMG_20130824_015550_zps1f8c45de.jpg&hash=164a7e2fac745ba2d8770f31fbec658d294e75d0) (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/blastradiuss/media/IMG_20130824_015550_zps1f8c45de.jpg.html)
Umm.... Welcome xD
Quote from: Jamie D on August 24, 2013, 03:05:38 AM
I think you should work on the focus! ;)
Do you mean the focus of the picture, or my ramblings?
Here is a clearer picture, but the bad part is it's a clearer picture. :P
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1322.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu570%2Fblastradiuss%2FIMG_20130824_011025_zpsdc559a14.jpg&hash=4a6122d3f1a9443d49b8ad75c110730c33f53289) (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/blastradiuss/media/IMG_20130824_011025_zpsdc559a14.jpg.html)
Yeah, I was talking about the focus on you phone camera. ;)
Second picture. You're pre-everything, right? Chin's not so bad - I agree with Emily.
Can't tell about your brow. The impression is "male-ish," but not strongly so. If you plan on going on the girl juice, I think you will do just fine. And of you don't, you will still be in the androgynous zone.
I must have come up to about 4 - 5 months of HRT now.
I guess I pass most of the time now judging from that I only get that wierd look from people like once or twice out on town now.
But still i have my doubt and days when all I see is a man with boobs.
I don't know. Maybe thees should go in the fab thread but I just leave them here for now...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg849.imageshack.us%2Fimg849%2F4793%2Ff1zq.jpg&hash=ca8cb28fb2e24f3fbd2392646002ffa7f9ea1fa8)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg689.imageshack.us%2Fimg689%2F2626%2Fsw2w.jpg&hash=342b4135130a02f42a88dbd75d8d46539d2a7dee)
Well if I saw you I wouldn't give it a second thought, you definitely look female, and I love your hair. :)
Quote from: eloij on August 25, 2013, 02:23:04 PM
But still i have my doubt and days when all I see is a man with boobs.
Today is not that day!
Quote from: eloij on August 25, 2013, 02:23:04 PM
I don't know. Maybe thees should go in the fab thread but I just leave them here for now...
I vote fab.
And I LOVE those glasses. They're perfect for your face.
Quote from: suzifrommd on August 25, 2013, 04:54:50 PM
I vote fab.
And I LOVE those glasses. They're perfect for your face.
+1 Me too on both counts.
ahhhh I suck at covering beard shadow but wanted to post a more natural photo of myself without any photoshopping.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3682%2F9593882909_97852dba8e_z.jpg&hash=c64c8ad338294141bda7ac700e9f2d7e21076209)
Emma,
I think that your pictures belong in the "Fab" thread! You've made a lot of progress. Assuming that you've worked on your voice and mannerisms, there isn't any reason why you should be getting strange looks. (I really love the bottom picture where you smile.) Congratulations!
Carol
Hi, all.. posted a while ago, and I was just wondering if I look even remotely female in any of these? Thanks for the feedback ^^
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg571.imageshack.us%2Fimg571%2F564%2Flk9h.jpg&hash=bbefd3dfb51d5ac784e24b6b82b109c6603ac3ea)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg28.imageshack.us%2Fimg28%2F8797%2Flsts.jpg&hash=26fb755834e899f70ecaaec9cfd9d6e12531dc38)
(Pre-HRT.. as getting that is very difficult in my country and I haven't yet worked up the courage to take the 'test').
Quote from: Anastasia E on August 26, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Hi, all.. posted a while ago, and I was just wondering if I look even remotely female in any of these? Thanks for the feedback ^^
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg571.imageshack.us%2Fimg571%2F564%2Flk9h.jpg&hash=bbefd3dfb51d5ac784e24b6b82b109c6603ac3ea)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg28.imageshack.us%2Fimg28%2F8797%2Flsts.jpg&hash=26fb755834e899f70ecaaec9cfd9d6e12531dc38)
(Pre-HRT.. as getting that is very difficult in my country and I haven't yet worked up the courage to take the 'test').
Absolutely, a beautiful female appearance just as I had said earlier.
Quote from: Anastasia E on August 26, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Hi, all.. posted a while ago, and I was just wondering if I look even remotely female in any of these? Thanks for the feedback ^^
(Pre-HRT.. as getting that is very difficult in my country and I haven't yet worked up the courage to take the 'test').
To be honest, both yes and no. When zoomed out, I think you look like a gorgeous female, 100%. When I magnified the images, however, I could notice a few things; namely, some more pronounced features and a light beard shadow (mostly above the lips). I'm not sure if I can say complete pass yet, but I do think you'll get there on HRT and I do think you're going to be posting in the fab thread almost immediately.
my progress thus far. took 3 months off hormones at the end of my first 6 months and now only been back on 3 months.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg853.imageshack.us%2Fimg853%2F9673%2Fds22.jpg&hash=67bdf9ebf8a59c78f2b6ca9fc765bbcf9b8f0ee8)
Quote from: Alice In Genderland on August 25, 2013, 09:27:23 PM
ahhhh I suck at covering beard shadow but wanted to post a more natural photo of myself without any photoshopping.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3682%2F9593882909_97852dba8e_z.jpg&hash=c64c8ad338294141bda7ac700e9f2d7e21076209)
Not there yet, but prior avatars showed the potential. You already took the first step - which is mental.
Quote from: Anastasia E on August 26, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Hi, all.. posted a while ago, and I was just wondering if I look even remotely female in any of these? Thanks for the feedback ^^
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg571.imageshack.us%2Fimg571%2F564%2Flk9h.jpg&hash=bbefd3dfb51d5ac784e24b6b82b109c6603ac3ea)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg28.imageshack.us%2Fimg28%2F8797%2Flsts.jpg&hash=26fb755834e899f70ecaaec9cfd9d6e12531dc38)
(Pre-HRT.. as getting that is very difficult in my country and I haven't yet worked up the courage to take the 'test').
For pre-everything, you have done well with your look. It is feminine. Best of luck with your therapy and HRT, when you get it. Do you have to do the RLE
before HRT??
Quote from: Horizon on August 26, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
To be honest, both yes and no. When zoomed out, I think you look like a gorgeous female, 100%. When I magnified the images, however, I could notice a few things; namely, some more pronounced features and a light beard shadow (mostly above the lips). I'm not sure if I can say complete pass yet, but I do think you'll get there on HRT and I do think you're going to be posting in the fab thread almost immediately.
Thank you for being honest. Even this is overwhelmingly more positive than I expected when setting out - 'gorgeous' is certainly never a word I would have associated with myself, though i'd settle for just 'female' :). I find that it's
really hard to look at myself and look past the 'male' features and not imagine that anyone would be able to immediately tell as well..
Could you perhaps specify what stands out to you? The beard shadow I can definitely do something about, but since I am still a total newbie at applying make-up, I am sure other telling features could also be toned down if nothing else ^^ (hints appreciated)
Quote from: Jamie D on August 27, 2013, 08:14:57 AM
For pre-everything, you have done well with your look. It is feminine. Best of luck with your therapy and HRT, when you get it. Do you have to do the RLE before HRT??
Thank you so very much!
It's a bit too much to get into in this thread, but the short of it is that while I do not have to do RLE before HRT (as far as I am aware), any treatment is strictly government controlled and it is up to one body of 'specialists' to determine over the course of a year or more of therapy whether or not I am "actually" trans. If they decide that is not the case, I am unlikely to ever be able to legally acquire HRT in my country. And to my knowledge, most 'applicants' are denied treatment. Hence my reluctance to take that step.
Quote from: Anastasia E on August 27, 2013, 01:28:57 PM
Thank you for being honest. Even this is overwhelmingly more positive than I expected when setting out - 'gorgeous' is certainly never a word I would have associated with myself, though i'd settle for just 'female' :). I find that it's really hard to look at myself and look past the 'male' features and not imagine that anyone would be able to immediately tell as well..
Could you perhaps specify what stands out to you? The beard shadow I can definitely do something about, but since I am still a total newbie at applying make-up, I am sure other telling features could also be toned down if nothing else ^^ (hints appreciated)
Thank you so very much!
It's a bit too much to get into in this thread, but the short of it is that while I do not have to do RLE before HRT (as far as I am aware), any treatment is strictly government controlled and it is up to one body of 'specialists' to determine over the course of a year or more of therapy whether or not I am "actually" trans. If they decide that is not the case, I am unlikely to ever be able to legally acquire HRT in my country. And to my knowledge, most 'applicants' are denied treatment. Hence my reluctance to take that step.
I wonder if this country is the one I am suspecting of...
I knew there had to be a post like this somewhere!!
A little nervous, my chin/jaw is my biggest worry. But who knows what HRT will do to my face, a lot I hope! Lol, I want a more feminine face then I want boobs or hips XD
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi599.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt75%2FxJohnnyHazardx%2F3Pretransitionsummer2013_zps8a053a78.jpg&hash=20f0e416432f732a57643554586f93de13e6d598)
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Scruffy DX
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Quote from: Harlow on August 27, 2013, 07:03:19 PM
I knew there had to be a post like this somewhere!!
A little nervous, my chin/jaw is my biggest worry. But who knows what HRT will do to my face, a lot I hope! Lol, I want a more feminine face then I want boobs or hips XD
Harlow, The chin is pretty masculine, some FFS is in your future to correct that, the whiskers have to go, other than that you're darned pretty, love the lips!
Quote from: Shantel on August 27, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
Harlow, The chin is pretty masculine, some FFS is in your future to correct that, the whiskers have to go, other than that you're darned pretty, love the lips!
Yes first to go is beard!!! ;D
Is my jaw okay? Is it just the chin? I'm hoping HRT will do something if even just a little bit. My chin definitely has quite a bit of muscle or other soft tissue, maybe it will thin out??
Idk again that is the only thing that I'm concerned about, surgery sounds painful and expensive. But that is one thing I probably would do if HRT didn't help with it :-\
Quote from: SophiePeters on August 26, 2013, 10:36:01 PM
my progress thus far. took 3 months off hormones at the end of my first 6 months and now only been back on 3 months.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg853.imageshack.us%2Fimg853%2F9673%2Fds22.jpg&hash=67bdf9ebf8a59c78f2b6ca9fc765bbcf9b8f0ee8)
I always get a kick out of your garage pictures!
Quote from: Harlow on August 27, 2013, 08:13:17 PM
Yes first to go is beard!!! ;D
Is my jaw okay? Is it just the chin? I'm hoping HRT will do something if even just a little bit. My chin definitely has quite a bit of muscle or other soft tissue, maybe it will thin out??
Idk again that is the only thing that I'm concerned about, surgery sounds painful and expensive. But that is one thing I probably would do if HRT didn't help with it :-\
Harlow, I seem to recall you posted that you were in your 30s. You could have fooled me. I would have guessed early-mid 20s
Quote from: Jamie D on August 28, 2013, 02:58:43 AM
Harlow, I seem to recall you posted that you were in your 30s. You could have fooled me. I would have guessed early-mid 20s
Well I definitely appreciate that!! Thanks :D
any 2nd opinions on chin/jaw?? I'm thinking it's just my chin??
Quote from: Harlow on August 28, 2013, 02:20:32 PM
Well I definitely appreciate that!! Thanks :D
any 2nd opinions on chin/jaw?? I'm thinking it's just my chin??
I think you're right but an eventual consultation with a FFS surgeon would be better advised for the real low-down on that fellow Seattle chickster! :laugh:
(https://sphotos-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1236883_219337178223288_2025202484_n.jpg)
So this is days before my 8 month mark on hormones, just wondering how my progress is going people and yes I'm a sad Jets fan lol
Looking good, I think once your hair grows out (I'm assuming you want longer hair) it will really complete the look. If you're not planning to grow it out longer, you might still have to do something different with it if you want to completely pass. :D
Quote from: JulieVB on August 28, 2013, 03:18:29 PM
So this is days before my 8 month mark on hormones, just wondering how my progress is going people and yes I'm a sad Jets fan lol
I'm seeing a lot of progress Julie. Your definitely getting a feminine shape to you. But there is one simple thing you can do to improve you pic and its completely free smile. ;)
I;m getting happy about how I'm developing and guess I forgot to smile lol. And yes I am now planning to grow my hair out but it's a painstakingly slow progress since it needs to be cut every other month to even the front out.
Quote from: Harlow on August 28, 2013, 02:20:32 PM
Well I definitely appreciate that!! Thanks :D
any 2nd opinions on chin/jaw?? I'm thinking it's just my chin??
If you have a couple of hundred dollars to spend, consider virtual FFS.
Look at the link in the first reply.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,127068.msg1011425.html#msg1011425
Alright, I decided it's time I posted. Give me all you got. I apologize in advance for the terrible acne ): I've been working on it, not as much as I could, but I've been trying. It's just a pain in the ass to get rid of. No make-up, HRT, and real hair. I decided to take several to give more of an idea
Full body:
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Full body, but showing more of how my shoulders are:
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Head view:
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Close-up:
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So nervous ><
<---- based on my avatar. I cant seem to upload a full body from my phone.
Quote from: Tyler92 on August 28, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Alright, I decided it's time I posted. Give me all you got. I apologize in advance for the terrible acne ): I've been working on it, not as much as I could, but I've been trying. It's just a pain in the ass to get rid of. No make-up, HRT, and real hair. I decided to take several to give more of an idea
Full body:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg856%2F3363%2Fek17.jpg&hash=5cfc33c3caaa5f1c02eba569f6b08204ebc060e7)
Full body, but showing more of how my shoulders are:
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Head view:
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Close-up:
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So nervous ><
To be honest, and maybe I'm just missing something, but besides the large, though not particularly manly, hands, I don't see anything male at all about your appearance.
Quote from: Tyler92 on August 28, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Give me all you got. I apologize in advance for the terrible acne ):
So nervous ><
Well, your shoulders are less of a tell than mine. That's something I'm self-conscious about, though, and maybe a little too critical of. The acne and beard-shadow you know about. You've got lovely eyebrows, shape 'em and show 'em.
The biggest tell to me are your skinny lower cheeks. While not male by themselves, they encourage me to do a bust-check. You might have better luck with a bit more body fat (keep it healthy, though), or very likely on HRT.
The bust-and-figure check is how I gender you as male. That top doesn't slim your waist, and plaid is (in my experience) surprisingly good at hiding breasts. It's hard to see, but it does look like you have a bit of hip even so.
You're not as far away as you think. There are some pretty strong optical illusions associated with gender, and you'll probably surprise yourself when your reflection flips over (if you haven't experienced it already).
Quote from: Erin S on August 28, 2013, 10:44:33 PM
<---- based on my avatar. I cant seem to upload a full body from my phone.
(Images have to be hosted off-site.)
In a nutshell, chick looks like a chick, though you could also pass as a guy too. Eyebrows, maybe, if you want.
I scrolled through the whole thread and came to the conclusion that Anastasia passes as female, yet she seem to have the least confidence in herself.
Quote from: Erin S on August 28, 2013, 10:44:33 PM
<---- based on my avatar. I cant seem to upload a full body from my phone.
I think you look fine Erin and you should progress nicely.
Quote from: Alice Danielle on August 28, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
To be honest, and maybe I'm just missing something, but besides the large, though not particularly manly, hands, I don't see anything male at all about your appearance.
Quote from: musicofthenight on August 29, 2013, 03:03:06 AM
Well, your shoulders are less of a tell than mine. That's something I'm self-conscious about, though, and maybe a little too critical of. The acne and beard-shadow you know about. You've got lovely eyebrows, shape 'em and show 'em.
The biggest tell to me are your skinny lower cheeks. While not male by themselves, they encourage me to do a bust-check. You might have better luck with a bit more body fat (keep it healthy, though), or very likely on HRT.
The bust-and-figure check is how I gender you as male. That top doesn't slim your waist, and plaid is (in my experience) surprisingly good at hiding breasts. It's hard to see, but it does look like you have a bit of hip even so.
You're not as far away as you think. There are some pretty strong optical illusions associated with gender, and you'll probably surprise yourself when your reflection flips over (if you haven't experienced it already).
(Images have to be hosted off-site.)
In a nutshell, chick looks like a chick, though you could also pass as a guy too. Eyebrows, maybe, if you want.
@Both Really? This whole time I've been worrying that if I don't start HRT soon I won't ever look like a woman, that I'd be stuck as a man. This kinda lifts some weight off my shoulders.
Yeah, I shoulda chose a better top that showed my body type a bit more, but that was the only one that's mine that (I think), is the most fashionable. The problem with me gaining body fat, is making sure it gets to my face and not my belly. I mean, it's not noticeable, it just needs to be shaped into fitness. Though I suppose I could at least start trying to eat a bit more lol.
This is me from day to day Sometimes light makeup sometimes darker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg
Quote from: Jamie D on August 22, 2013, 07:14:14 PM
Definitely femme. One face-on picture can't tell the entire story though.
Here are two sides and one front after showering and throwing on a t shirt, no femme makeup etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side1_zpsfa7ccb1f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side2_zpsa874f732.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/front1_zpsffae1d88.jpg
Quote from: faye on August 29, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
This is me from day to day Sometimes light makeup sometimes darker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg
Here are two sides and one front after showering and throwing on a t shirt, no femme makeup etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side1_zpsfa7ccb1f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side2_zpsa874f732.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/front1_zpsffae1d88.jpg
Faye,
From my perspective you look totally cis female. I can't see a thing to critique!
Quote from: Shantel on August 27, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
other than that you're darned pretty, love the lips!
And I forgot to thank you for the compliment :angel:
Quote from: JulieVB on August 28, 2013, 03:18:29 PM
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Hold on, hold on, hold on!
Is that a chocolate doughnut on the dressing table?
Quote from: Tyler92 on August 28, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Alright, I decided it's time I posted. Give me all you got. I apologize in advance for the terrible acne ): I've been working on it, not as much as I could, but I've been trying. It's just a pain in the ass to get rid of. No make-up, HRT, and real hair. I decided to take several to give more of an idea
So nervous ><
No reason to be nervous. Let me just comment about the acne. It is pretty well established that acne flares are often associated with testosterone.
Testosterone is "male-type" steroid hormone known as an androgen, and it is directly responsible for many types of acne. Inside the pores of your skin are tiny glands that produce a type of oil called sebum. Sebum helps to carry dead skin cells from the follicles to the skin's surface. When there is too much sebum, the follicles can get clogged, and pimples form. Testosterone increases the production of sebum--which is why it is a major acne culprit, according to an article published in 2009 in "Medical News Today."Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/77411-acne-testosterone/#ixzz2dUnvhsg8
Once you begin HRT, and especially taking an anti-androgen, your skin will most likely begin to clear up.
One of the very first things I noticed after I began HRT was that my skin was noticeably softer within a few weeks. It took time, with masques, exfoliation, and moisturizing, but you can also work on eliminating the large male-type pores too.
Let's look to the future.
Quote from: faye on August 29, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
This is me from day to day Sometimes light makeup sometimes darker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg
Here are two sides and one front after showering and throwing on a t shirt, no femme makeup etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side1_zpsfa7ccb1f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side2_zpsa874f732.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/front1_zpsffae1d88.jpg
Okay, that first side view suggests that you have a bit of an issue with the brow ridge, and the relationship between the brow and the nose. Look at his stock profile silhouette:
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Which profile is more like you right now? Truthfully, I see a bit of both. Which is good news.
Quote from: Jamie D on August 30, 2013, 06:40:26 PM
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Her neck is thinner than my lower arm! I'll never pass with that kind of competition!!!
On HRT, you will lose muscle mass in your neck. It was quite noticeable for me, even at 6 months.
@ Erin - wow, your hair is getting long.
My x-ray vision doesn't work over the computer, but I am sure, from all you have posted, there is a girl inside there somewhere.
Remove facial hair; regrow scalp hair (or consider a wig); some makeup. Go over to the Before & After topic if you don't believe me.
EDIT: Let me clarify. Never say never. I have seen amazing things happen with estrogen and AA's. Changes in fat distribution, changes in body hair (my leg hair is almost completely gone), MPB reversed, lots of good stuff. It is just wildly variable - the old phrase - your mileage may vary.
Quote from: Stella Lunaris on August 31, 2013, 12:18:53 AM
>.<
To be honest, I'm trying, I'm
really trying, but I'm having a hard time gendering you as male.
Quote from: -Emily- on August 31, 2013, 02:56:47 AM
Am I doing any progress in regards my presentation? ;)
I am quite sure I am not getting gendered as male here, but I am getting impression that its rather andro than fem yet - still cant complain - it could have been less and worse for 3.5 months into HRT :).
Cheers!
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Growing out your hair will help a lot, or getting a good wig. It's a little short, especially on the sides, and I think that tends to make you look more androgynous than feminine. The clothing also seems rather neutral to me.
I'm not sure how you're doing in your progress, as this is the first picture I've seen of you, but as far as physical appearance goes, you're absolutely fine, and the other stuff should be rather easy to correct if you want to go for a more fem look.
I have no idea if I pass or not.
I have to admit I don't care!
My avatar was yesterday, no make up, just me in normal every day life.
I had just driven home from work.
Sit. I'll take a pic of you, he said.
This is me, real life.
Quote from: Cindy on August 31, 2013, 05:26:45 AM
I have no idea if I pass or not.
I have to admit I don't care!
My avatar was yesterday, no make up, just me in normal every day life.
I had just driven home from work.
Sit. I'll take a pic of you, he said.
This is me, real life.
You look like a really very attractive cis woman, well dressed and very feminine. Personally I think you are just gorgeous Cindy!
That's a cool picture and a cool car.
You're a highway star, Cindy.
"cue distorted guitar and organ"
You look 100% cis to me.
Quote from: Stella Lunaris on August 31, 2013, 12:18:53 AM
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>.<
Oh my yes, very female and quite pretty!
now 7 weeks on hrt not sure if changed in looks much
Quote from: Stella Lunaris on August 31, 2013, 12:18:53 AM
>.<
Stella, I don't see anything remotely masculine in your picture. The shape of your face, especially, screams "girl", and your bangs easily hide any eyebrow or forehead features that might be a problem
Quote from: Cindy on August 31, 2013, 05:26:45 AM
I have no idea if I pass or not.
I have to admit I don't care!
My avatar was yesterday, no make up, just me in normal every day life.
I had just driven home from work.
Sit. I'll take a pic of you, he said.
This is me, real life.
I remember the avatar you used three years ago. You have come a long way. You pass with flying colors (or "colours" as the case may be) ;)
Quote from: Cindy on August 31, 2013, 05:26:45 AM
I have no idea if I pass or not.
I have to admit I don't care!
My avatar was yesterday, no make up, just me in normal every day life.
I had just driven home from work.
Sit. I'll take a pic of you, he said.
This is me, real life.
Cindy your new profile pic looks beautiful I love it! And I love your attitude about whether you pass or not your happy with yourself and that's all that really matters. ;)
Hmm, so "could I pass" is on topic, right? Honestly, I'm going for MtA / Mt(FtA) / "honey, I broke the genders," but if you ladies would help a non-binary sibling out, I'd be much obliged. I'd like to figure out "female," then I can blend from there.
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Before (fresh-shaved and lip balm only)
- I have a square face, right?
- Beard shadow needs to be covered, adam's apple contoured. From what I've seen on YouTube, it's amazing what well-matched foundation and concealer does.
- Speaking of highlight / contouring, how the heck do you learn this?
- Eyebrows. Oh, eyebrows...
So, I'm leaning towards a fuller look for several reasons. Square face, would like them to look okay in male mode too, and more "tomboy" than "glamourous." Am I asking for too much?
Maybe... (thx, Photoshop!)
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- Hair... mmm, androgynous asian boy-band singer?
Anyone think I could pass yet 7 weeks on hrt
Quote from: stacey fisher on September 01, 2013, 06:32:28 AM
Anyone think I could pass yet 7 weeks on hrt
You look female to me.
But one thing I'm curious about...
Quotestart hrt on july 11/7/2013 been living as fem for 15 months full time and changed name legal a year ago and med recs to fem
In your time of living as a female, haven't you gotten a pretty good idea of whether you pass or not?
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Alice, honey, you look great and totally passable to this thang. Nice work on those eyes!
Quote from: Stella Lunaris on August 31, 2013, 12:18:53 AM
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>.<
I definitely wouldn't be able to tag you as anything other than female, and I'm closely looking for it too!! You look very feminine!!!
Quote from: Anastasia E on August 26, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Hi, all.. posted a while ago, and I was just wondering if I look even remotely female in any of these? Thanks for the feedback ^^
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(Pre-HRT.. as getting that is very difficult in my country and I haven't yet worked up the courage to take the 'test').
I think you look amazing, and I love your cheekbones!! You have amazing features and facial shape, and definitely look female.
Quote from: Anastasia E on August 26, 2013, 08:49:28 PM
Hi, all.. posted a while ago, and I was just wondering if I look even remotely female in any of these? Thanks for the feedback ^^
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(Pre-HRT.. as getting that is very difficult in my country and I haven't yet worked up the courage to take the 'test').
Oh! And I forgot to mention, your hair color is beautiful!! You should definitely never change it!
Quote from: Cindy on August 31, 2013, 05:26:45 AM
I have no idea if I pass or not.
I have to admit I don't care!
My avatar was yesterday, no make up, just me in normal every day life.
I had just driven home from work.
Sit. I'll take a pic of you, he said.
This is me, real life.
You look great, and I LOVE your outfit too! Very nice figure!
What do ya think?
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@ KatelynRain - Aw, thank you for the kind words! But sorry to disappoint, it's actually a wig (even if it is really pretty ^^) - I wish it was my real hair.. and now I am feeling sad that I recently cut over an inch off my own to accommodate expectations for a more male cut :(
While I am still not convinced I could pass (I KNOW, lack of confidence), I think beard shadow is my most telling feature and I will definitely look into the effectiveness of local laser treatments (which I should probably make another thread to ask for advice about..). Even if I end up not fully transitioning, I am confident I won't ever want to grow a beard as I hate body hair, and even if I can't afford too many sessions, at least thinning it out should make it easier to hide right?
Too many positive replies has almost made me afraid to post.. but I tried to take a picture to illustrate how obvious it is after a couple of hours, despite my attempts to hide it with makeup.. I think smiling actually makes me look less feminine, but who knows.. maybe I am stressing over nothing, it wouldn't be the first time Lol!
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Aaand I know I look tired.. it has been a really rough weekend >.<. I also desperately need to go shopping!
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 01, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
@ KatelynRain - Aw, thank you for the kind words! But sorry to disappoint, it's actually a wig (even if it is really pretty ^^) - I wish it was my real hair.. and now I am feeling sad that I recently cut over an inch off my own to accommodate expectations for a more male cut :(
While I am still not convinced I could pass (I KNOW, lack of confidence), I think beard shadow is my most telling feature and I will definitely look into the effectiveness of local laser treatments (which I should probably make another thread to ask for advice about..). Even if I end up not fully transitioning, I am confident I won't ever want to grow a beard as I hate body hair, and even if I can't afford too many sessions, at least thinning it out should make it easier to hide right?
Too many positive replies has almost made me afraid to post.. but I tried to take a picture to illustrate how obvious it is after a couple of hours, despite my attempts to hide it with makeup.. I think smiling actually makes me look less feminine, but who knows.. maybe I am stressing over nothing, it wouldn't be the first time Lol!
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Aaand I know I look tired.. it has been a really rough weekend >.<. I also desperately need to go shopping!
Facial hair shadow was what I felt was the biggest giveaway too. Even if I shaved super close, you could still see a cloud of grey underneath my skin. I tried dermablend and stuff for the longest time and it just made my makeup look super cakey. Then I did electrolysis for a year and a half, and it was the most painful thing ever. My therapist told me to try laser hair removal, and so far, into my 6th session, 90% of my facial hair is gone!! (: and the remaining hair doesn't have a shadow and takes forever to come back. Hoping a couple more laser sessions will clear the rest. I would recommend that you look into a diode or alexandrite laser, and stay away from IPL (which is not a true laser, but a cheaper machine that does pulsed light instead).
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 01, 2013, 07:24:13 PM
Too many positive replies has almost made me afraid to post.. but I tried to take a picture to illustrate how obvious it is after a couple of hours, despite my attempts to hide it with makeup.. I think smiling actually makes me look less feminine, but who knows.. maybe I am stressing over nothing, it wouldn't be the first time Lol!
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Sorry but I can't possibly buy into your self assessment! There are hundreds here who would kill to have your looks just the way you are right there and right now, myself included!
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on September 01, 2013, 06:45:20 PM
What do ya think?
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This ^ and this...
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Do i come close to passing?
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on September 01, 2013, 09:27:48 PM
This ^ and this...
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Do i come close to passing?
Definitely. Are you on hormones?
Quote from: Shantel on September 01, 2013, 08:10:28 PM
Sorry but I can't possibly buy into your self assessment! There are hundreds here who would kill to have your looks just the way you are right there and right now, myself included!
Add me to the list of killers...
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on September 01, 2013, 09:27:48 PM
Do i come close to passing?
Absolutely. You're not the kind of girl I'm after (kinda love red colors), but you look hot. I wouldn't ask you for a date but would accept if you'd ask me. (As if I ever would ask anyone for a date...)
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on September 02, 2013, 02:31:05 AM
Yes I am, Day 25
Erin, normally I like rimless glasses, but those dark frames really look good on you! An old optometrist used to say, "Guys go for dames with good looking frames!" Kinda cute saying, but you do look nice in your glasses!
@Erin Kay Howell
Definite pass in my opinion, though I am far from an expert (apparently!). I see nothing masculine about your appearance, and you actually look a lot like a friend of mine. Nothing much else to comment on, except perhaps 'You look fabulous thread -> that way' ? ^^
@Everyone else
Ack! Stop making me feel bad about my own doubts.. and you better not kill anyone :D
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on September 01, 2013, 06:45:20 PM
What do ya think?
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I think I like the blue eye lids! They go with the top!
As I look at the glasses, I'm not sure of the vibe they give me. They don't scream girl to me; but they don't look guyish either.
Okay i'm nervous.. this is me on two weeks of hormones. No make up, no wig, just natural.
how is it? could i pass as a female?
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Quote from: princessemma on September 02, 2013, 01:34:46 PM
Okay i'm nervous.. this is me on two weeks of hormones. No make up, no wig, just natural.
how is it? could i pass as a female?
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Flickr is a little tricky to post photos from. The way you have done it does not work on here. The URL has to start with "http://farm4.staticflickr.com/"
Quote from: princessemma on September 02, 2013, 01:34:46 PM
Okay i'm nervous.. this is me on two weeks of hormones. No make up, no wig, just natural.
how is it? could i pass as a female?
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You have your settings on "private" hon'. No one can see your pictures.
Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 02, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
Flickr is a little tricky to post photos from. The way you have done it does not work on here.
noted. what should i do then? i'm sorry I'm kinda new to this smf forum
I sent you a message.
Quote from: princessemma on September 02, 2013, 01:34:46 PM
Okay i'm nervous.. this is me on two weeks of hormones. No make up, no wig, just natural.
how is it? could i pass as a female?
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yay i did it.. ;D finally the picture coming out
Emma, nothing strikes me as overtly male in your pictures.
Just looks like a girl taking a bathroom selfie of her new dress.
Nice thread. I wish I had something like this internet forums when I was younger and transitioned 15 years ago. But then again I had a real life support group that kept telling me in part how they are all envious about my supposed luck (mostly because I am just 1m74 which is exactly the average height of women in this country ;) and because I was in the early 20ies, had all my hair on the head and not too much in the face ;) ). Its always good if people give encouraging words. However at times one has to be a bit more critical and be honest without being brutal. I've seen some images in this thread where I would say that without plastic surgery it will be very hard and in some cases I would disagree on the assertion that at the stage the pictures were taken a public acceptance as a non trans woman would be possible. Which is not always needed of course - a lot of people are aware of transgenders and dont have an issue with that and will be polite enough to take obvious signs as a reason to treat you as you desire to be treated. I found that out some time when I was all confident to have "passed" well and people never asked me about this and it was all normal and fine and then on some drunken evening I was made aware of many of the people I dealt with were having a very strong suspicion or were even convinved of me being trans, but no one told me before. That was weird ;) - Oh and sorry, a bit off topic. Great pictures of some people here, really lovely ones are among there. Anastacia - I know that problem with the officials and experts who have to agree on all that. Where I live it was even the rule to only get HRT after a one year real life test period. Hardly anyone I know did that thanks to a blossoming underground market for pills ;) - But I think you will do fine, but take care - I get you are from the more eastern parts of Europe - as a transperson one should if possible choose a very large city if possible to do transition, these usually tend to have more anonymity and more safe spaces than smaller cities.
Greetings
Quote from: anjaq on September 02, 2013, 05:45:41 PM
Nice thread. I wish I had something like this internet forums when I was younger and transitioned 15 years ago. But then again I had a real life support group that kept telling me in part how they are all envious about my supposed luck (mostly because I am just 1m74 which is exactly the average height of women in this country ;) and because I was in the early 20ies, had all my hair on the head and not too much in the face ;) ). Its always good if people give encouraging words. However at times one has to be a bit more critical and be honest without being brutal. I've seen some images in this thread where I would say that without plastic surgery it will be very hard and in some cases I would disagree on the assertion that at the stage the pictures were taken a public acceptance as a non trans woman would be possible. Which is not always needed of course - a lot of people are aware of transgenders and dont have an issue with that and will be polite enough to take obvious signs as a reason to treat you as you desire to be treated. I found that out some time when I was all confident to have "passed" well and people never asked me about this and it was all normal and fine and then on some drunken evening I was made aware of many of the people I dealt with were having a very strong suspicion or were even convinved of me being trans, but no one told me before. That was weird ;) - Oh and sorry, a bit off topic. Great pictures of some people here, really lovely ones are among there. Anastacia - I know that problem with the officials and experts who have to agree on all that. Where I live it was even the rule to only get HRT after a one year real life test period. Hardly anyone I know did that thanks to a blossoming underground market for pills ;) - But I think you will do fine, but take care - I get you are from the more eastern parts of Europe - as a transperson one should if possible choose a very large city if possible to do transition, these usually tend to have more anonymity and more safe spaces than smaller cities.
Greetings
Yes, there is a time and place to be more critical. That's what the could I pass threads are for. :D If people are not looking for that, there are threads for that too.
Quote from: princessemma on September 02, 2013, 01:34:46 PM
Okay i'm nervous.. this is me on two weeks of hormones. No make up, no wig, just natural.
how is it? could i pass as a female?
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You definetly have a good chance at being quite beautiful rather then just passing. I am not one to sugar coat anything I have been warned in the past for being blunt so for me to say it should hold some value. Your youth, shape etc all will be rather helpful to you :P as you continue your journey :P
that makes me want to cry T_T thank you very much for the answers..
Your gorgeous Emma! <3
Please don't quote, but hmm, this from the other day was a rare shot I actually liked; a week away from 10 months HRT that have flown by. Though I feel I'm not getting very notable results from HRT, especially considering my start age (20). I know everyone gets different results, but it feels like I got the short straw. Maybe it's all in the hair, which I loathe? I don't know, really. I just feel, well, that I'll always be caught in the middle, not distinctly female at all...my avatar was pure luck. I look around me of all those around the time I started, months-wise, let alone age-wise, and it's not even close, they look so much more normal. Age-wise, I realize how crummy this is, too, even though my levels are actually really good. This isn't even depression, this is how I tend to see my face; as I would anyone else's, impartially.
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I think this is okay, maybe even good, but honestly, heck if I know. Maybe I'll be one of those late bloomer girls, who pops out of her flower bud late in the spring, and then everyone notices her radiance, perhaps beauty, and a slightly warm, tingling sensation on the nose? After 1 year, they say the really big, noticeable facial changes start to happen then, right? God, I hope so. :(
One thing that's concerned me lately is my face, I'm feeling like it might be like almost too big, not sure how to put it. It's like it's way too disproportionately large compared to natal females, as well as most here. Too big of bones or something. Possibly just the nature of my heart-shaped face?
Jess! You look great. The body has its own time table in these things. Worry not!
jess, seriously you look good. i'm a bit jealous actually
jess, that picture looks great to me. I think I can see some of the features that I noticed to change during the first year of HRT (I did that when I was about 22). It will take some more time to "deepen" these features as they sort of settle down (right now, some or most of them would be lost if HRT stopped - eventually they get more permanent). Also I think by actually living a womans life, you change the expressions. Thats just my opinion, I think for 10 months this is quite good, probably it was that even before ;) - and if you dont like your hair, then by all means visit a stylist - its really not one of the most expensive ways to change appearances radically ;). Gosh, I remember when I started transitioning I had dreadlocks - so I did not really have much choice of styles, but it all worked out fine ;)
Okay, I feel ready to post my first picture here. I know I aren't ready, but I want to have some feedback. Do you think I could pass one day? I mean after getting rid of beard shadow and hair on arms... and legs (what you don't see in the picture).
What do you think?
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Its really hard to judge based on that picture alone.
Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 04, 2013, 02:24:46 AM
Its really hard to judge based on that picture alone.
Yeah, I totally suck at taking pictures. Do you have any recommendations how to take a better one?
Your body and arms are good. But your face, Ma'am?
It's okay, look at the camera. We're going to be nice, promise. :)
Again... Do you think I could pass one day? I mean after getting rid of beard shadow and hair on arms... and legs (what you don't see in the picture).
What do you think?
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absolutely pia.. nice skin, and your body curve is pretty good. are you already on hormones?
Quote from: princessemma on September 04, 2013, 02:44:40 AM
absolutely pia.. nice skin, and your body curve is pretty good. are you already on hormones?
Are you trying to be nice? Okay, it will take me some time to believe you. I'm not on hormones yet. But I must admit that I'm wearing some body shaping girls underwear. (It goes up to the waist and holds - you know - my private parts in place.) And I stuffed the bra, I unfortunately don't have anything there yet (which might be due to not taking hormones...)
I tried another picture (a la Michelle G):
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I know its hard to take pictures of yourself, I can't seem to do it very well either except to get a face only picture with the front facing camera on my phone. I'm sorry to say that I really can't tell still. From what I can see you look feminine enough that most likely you will eventually pass if you put the work in. HRT will most likely help, it seems like you have a pretty thick neck but that could just be camera angles, HRT should help that. Your nose isn't overly masculine so that helps. Sorry if I'm not being helpful at all.
no i'm not, i'm being honest really. i think you have a good start..
Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 04, 2013, 03:03:43 AM
Sorry if I'm not being helpful at all.
But you are! I hope my neck will get smaller when I start to loose weight which I started some weeks ago. I'm a little overweighted... ermmm... a little more overweighted. My BMI is about 30, so I'll have to loose a lot of pounds. It will also be healthier for me, although I'm doing it because I have the impression I might pass better when I'm more slim. I fear for the Adam's apple being more visible afterwards but there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Still it's good the hear that my nose might be okay. My eyebrows are a bit straight unfortunately, but plucking might help here, right?
Quote from: princessemma on September 04, 2013, 03:06:43 AM
no i'm not, i'm being honest really. i think you have a good start..
Thanks a lot. It feels good to be told that. I have to make a call I think. Got declined by my favorite therapist and yet have to call another. I got to get things running again. I owe that to Pia, right?
Pia, I think it would be helpful to take a picture that shows the face - like a regular portrait for a passport. They usually tell you to not have too much hair covering up the face and no glasses and such. It hink that makes it easier to judge or to give hints on what may be a problem. I know - back then I also always took pictures in which I conceiled what I thought would be bad features with hair, but then of course no one can tell you if that feature really is an issue or not.
On the last picture I think the perspective is a bit odd - it looks in it like your hips are rather narrow, but that is because of the shot taken from the top - a full body picture from some distance may be better. Wont work with a phone though maybe as you would need that function to take a picture a few seconds after pressing the button.
Hard to believe that I'm doing this... Please do not quote, as I will be taking the picture down again soon.
Men's shirt, bbcream, touch of makeup (incl. lip gloss). Just over 6 months on full HRT (albeit only 5 with anti-androgens).
(adding a profile pic, no more makeup there...)
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From that angle I'd say you pass pretty close to 100%. I'm not sure how you would look in a profile view and that might change things.
Theo - i think that looks quite well. Its hard to say from that angle but I think you might have a bit of an issue with what I think is called the "bow ridge" (?) - in the center of the temple just above and between the eyes? In the photo there is a reflection that embosses that feature, you might want to play it down a bit with some slight makeup for now and see how it goes. But as the rest is quite feminine that is all right - every face can have a few traits that are uncommon and still fall well within the average patterns of the gender the majority of the features tell.
Couple things you'll want to think about Theo.
The face on picture looks quite feminine, with the possible exception of the thin upper lip.
The profile shows a brow ridge, not seriously male, but enough to throw off the look. Your hairline might need adjustment. I don't see much of an adams apple in either picture. I think you are progressing nicely.
Quote from: Theo on September 04, 2013, 04:38:56 PM
Hard to believe that I'm doing this... Please do not quote, as I will be taking the picture down again soon.
Men's shirt, bbcream, touch of makeup (incl. lip gloss). Just over 6 months on full HRT (albeit only 5 with anti-androgens).
Theo,
You have a really feminine shaped face and jawline. Your eyebrows are very light like mine so when you do use makeup you might want to pencil them in darker. Eventually you may want to see a FFS specialist and talk about feminizing your nose and maybe a hair advance, Osterhout does a hair advance and brow ridge and lift all in one package but aside from that you are becoming a basically darling thing!
Hi,
I'm new to this site and have recently come to terms with the person that I am. I was wondering if some of you incredible people would be able to point out any masculine features that I have and what I could do to draw attention away from them. I am pre-everything. Please excuse the stubble and blemishes on the side image!
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Quote from: NatalieT on September 05, 2013, 12:46:12 PM
Hi,
I'm new to this site and have recently come to terms with the person that I am. I was wondering if some of you incredible people would be able to point out any masculine features that I have and what I could do to draw attention away from them. I am pre-everything. Please excuse the stubble and blemishes on the side image!
Hi Naty and welcome to the site! And I cant see any screaming masculine features in Your face - I was looking hard, but I could not :). Maybe Your sinus is a bit on the thick side, but I could not clearly see that in Your pic. You have a lot of feminine features already and should do more than fine on the HRT :)
Quote from: NatalieT on September 05, 2013, 12:46:12 PM
Hi,
Your nose! I want your nose. *steals nose*
I've got your nose!
I can gender you either way - there's nothing that definitively says "man" or "woman" - and I think you might be able to swing a butch style
now, "pre everything."
Hair takes a long time to grow, but I think what you have already looks better than a wig. Eyebrows... you might play with. But really, the biggest gender-cue is that t-shirt, and in person maybe your beard shadow though it's not real obvious in the picture.
Dress and talk F and I think I'd see you as such.
You mean that's not the picture of a butch cis-girl? :o
I don't believe it ;)
Natalie if anything is masculine it's your eyebrows and that will come in time. I think once you start some hormones you will be making us jealous with your progress. ;)
So, I already posted this video on my blog, but I'm interested in getting some more opinions.
How close am I to passing?
This is not a "could I pass one day" post, it is a definite "do I pass?" post. Because I'm still having a bit of a mental block, where I feel like I'm getting close enough that most people won't notice, but my brain still just insists on telling me that I look weird when I'm out as female, so I'm still mostly just taking the "safe" route and going out as a guy.
Well... what do you all think? Am I passing, or am I still not quite there yet?
Brutal honesty, please. I really want to know how close I'm getting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYpFY88hoio
Quote from: Carrie Liz on September 05, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
So, I already posted this video on my blog, but I'm interested in getting some more opinions.
How close am I to passing?
This is not a "could I pass one day" post, it is a definite "do I pass?" post. Because I'm still having a bit of a mental block, where I feel like I'm getting close enough that most people won't notice, but my brain still just insists on telling me that I look weird when I'm out as female, so I'm still mostly just taking the "safe" route and going out as a guy.
Well... what do you all think? Am I passing, or am I still not quite there yet?
Your body and body language are spot on. The voice is awesome frankly. It was a short video but if you are able to hold that image together for long outings then I think you are doing well.
Very close. I'm watching with a high index-of-suspicion, as if someone told me you're trans and I'm trying to decide if they're pulling my leg or not.
Result: I might suspect after a while. I probably would believe an outing. This is an acid-test though, so I'd give it a high passing grade, at least a B. Go out with friends and be yourself, I think, because you're not going to get better without more confidence.
Weakest point is your voice, but then I'm really intensely critical there. For example, at "probably worrying about nothing" you hit a D2. That's not impossibly low for a contralto, but it's way down there and she'd probably recover by bouncing back up to A2 or higher, and that's about as high as you go. "I just want to do another one" is around B or Bb2.
Your resonance is good, though, and so is the way you voice gets gravelly near the bottom. I suspect you have many of the right instincts, but you have difficulty accessing the higher pitches. This is a technique thing; when you do it right, you can hit C5, yes 5, without much difficulty - and that's way above normal speaking pitches. "Male vocalist mixed voice" should get you some good resources, but you'll have to practice in guy voice.
So, what does this mean? Rain, page 11 (http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/11) and 12, and the author's comment on 11. I think you have cues enough to be reliably gendered female, especially in a group.
^Thank you. Excellent honest critique.
And yeah, that's pretty much my voice problem in a nutshell. The tone/resonance part I found relatively easy, (to the point that I'm getting gendered female on the phone more often than not now, even when I'm not trying.) But I still can't raise my pitch to save my life. It's stuck in that middle zone between the male range and the female range, and there's always these random words in my sentences that drop WAY lower than I wanted them to.
Quote from: Carrie Liz on September 06, 2013, 12:16:26 AM
^Thank you. Excellent honest critique.
And yeah, that's pretty much my voice problem in a nutshell. The tone/resonance part I found relatively easy, (to the point that I'm getting gendered female on the phone more often than not now, even when I'm not trying.) But I still can't raise my pitch to save my life. It's stuck in that middle zone between the male range and the female range, and there's always these random words in my sentences that drop WAY lower than I wanted them to.
I think you're voice sounds great, Carrie :)
Especially in the beginning of the video, it is wonderful! Definitely no voice surgery necessary for you, sister! You've always had a really solid female voice in my opinion, even in your very first video from months ago. It sounds like your natural voice, too. Really good stuff!
The only thing that I feel is barely worth mentioning (if you were looking for a fairly critical critique) is your posture while moving around. At times it looks like your shoulders are leading your motions, and that could be considered a male-ish movement pattern by some. Personally, I do not see it as something that you "need to
fix" but rather just something that you could work on to increase your feminine poise. Maybe just think about it a little bit and it will probably make a big difference naturally over time!
Quote from: NatalieT on September 05, 2013, 12:46:12 PM
Hi,
I'm new to this site and have recently come to terms with the person that I am. I was wondering if some of you incredible people would be able to point out any masculine features that I have and what I could do to draw attention away from them. I am pre-everything. Please excuse the stubble and blemishes on the side image!
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I'd say you have lots of potential. You have a great nose, expressive eyes, you don't seem to have much of a brow ridge at all, and I saw no adams apple. Great starting point. You are going to be cute.
I agree with Jenny. Carrie you should try to pull your shoulders back and work on your posture and movements, everything else is fine.
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 06, 2013, 02:56:10 AM
I think you're voice sounds great, Carrie :)
Especially in the beginning of the video, it is wonderful! Definitely no voice surgery necessary for you, sister! You've always had a really solid female voice in my opinion, even in your very first video from months ago. It sounds like your natural voice, too. Really good stuff!
The only thing that I feel is barely worth mentioning (if you were looking for a fairly critical critique) is your posture while moving around. At times it looks like your shoulders are leading your motions, and that could be considered a male-ish movement pattern by some. Personally, I do not see it as something that you "need to fix" but rather just something that you could work on to increase your feminine poise. Maybe just think about it a little bit and it will probably make a big difference naturally over time!
+1 Concerning the shoulder angle, it leans toward the male aggressive posture that we learn from hanging out with the fellas or from participation in aggressive sports early on. It can be unlearned, if it were me I'd start with a few relaxing sessions with a licensed massage therapist telling them what you want to achieve, the muscles need to be relaxed and then once that is done then practice standing with shoulders back, arms at your sides and elbows to the rear of the line of your body. Breathe freely and relax while doing it, then it will become more of a natural stance in time and with practice. Other than that you are good to go girl!
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 06, 2013, 02:56:10 AM
I think you're voice sounds great, Carrie :)
Totally agree! The public is going to hear you as completely female. Unless someone is zoning in on catching trans women then you'll be fine ;)
And I'd also agree with the shoulder posture, but lots of women don't have the best posture either. But if you're looking for anything specific that's the only thing I'd say I saw.
Strong chin, I know...
So I just found this gem! Ha when I had long hair!! Why oh why did I ever cut my beautiful long hair!?!?! Oh well it's growing right? In 6 months should be down to my shoulders! This is also back when I went au naturale for awhile. So no tweezed eyebrows or makeup minus foundation & powder if that.
Again aware of the chin, but does long hair help? And any other thoughts..
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And of course there is more than face, so here is a shot of me at work :)
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And while I'm at it, this is very very recent ^-^
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Last time I upload my photos in a girls dress..ofcourse I would look like a girl.. tonight my mom make me wear man's clothes to my brother engagement party.. do you guys still think I could pass?
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Killer lips Harlow and great eyes too. I am so drawn to long hair that it is way easy to say yes, grow it long and to luxury length and love it. I am growing mine back too and regret cutting it (at hip length) a few years back in one of those last ditch efforts to go manly. Oh we are going girly now!
Quote from: Tessa James on September 07, 2013, 08:50:35 PM
a few years back in one of those last ditch efforts to go manly. Oh we are going girly now!
Right?!?! Lol XD!
Look at my brows, been tweezing since 9th grade I don't know what I was thinking! Probably compromising with the hair and all, can't have femme brows with long hair... D'Oh DX!
Except I don't think I could ever be manly in a hundred years of trying :laugh:
PrincessEmma, you look like a girl wearing guy clothes. If your Mom thought that she was disguising you by having you wear boy clothes, then she was WRONG!
Harlow, I wonder how much of that chin is actually muscles. You have very feminine jaw and chin does not distort the feminine effect, IMO. I have seen female celebrities with the exact same chin btw :). And Your chin is not masculine either - it is a bit backwards sloping - if I am not mistaken - instead of being thrust forwards, all square and angry :).
Princessemma - if Your mom thought that she had dressed Your masculinely, then that shirt does not ring very masculine with me, btw :)
Quote from: Carol on September 07, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
PrincessEmma, you look like a girl wearing guy clothes. If your Mom thought that she was disguising you by having you wear boy clothes, then she was WRONG!
I have to agree with this comment and that shirt reminds me those American Italian gangster movies.
Thank you guys.. my family still can't accept me, they still in the denial phase..but it's a process.. I hope. FYI that shirt is called batik, it's a traditional clothing in Indonesia
How am I doing? 6.5 months.
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Pretty good Sara. Keep it up.
I think you have a nice pixie look right now. What is your long term goal? Boyish, full femme, ?
Quote from: Sara on September 08, 2013, 07:07:01 PM
How am I doing? 6.5 months.
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You sure could with very little effort!
Yea, I think you look adorable Sara! I wonder what you would look like with longer slightly wavy hair. I think it would look cute!
Hi Sara,
You may wish to avail yourself of the introductions and other places to start a post? 6.5 what? Post HRT start? You are doing great but the pic reveals to me a wistful look and there are a ton of variables that this one dimensional venue can not show. Throw back those shoulders and......?
Femininity is, like beauty, in the eyes of the beholder. It is your own assessment that counts in the end.
Quote from: Darkie on September 08, 2013, 07:11:33 PM
Yea, I think you look adorable Sara! I wonder what you would look like with longer slightly wavy hair. I think it would look cute!
Now that I think about yeah. She even looks a lot like Zooey Deschanel. I totally approve :D
Quote from: -Emily- on September 08, 2013, 01:22:13 AM
Harlow, I wonder how much of that chin is actually muscles. You have very feminine jaw and chin does not distort the feminine effect, IMO. I have seen female celebrities with the exact same chin btw :). And Your chin is not masculine either - it is a bit backwards sloping - if I am not mistaken - instead of being thrust forwards, all square and angry :)
Why thank you Emily :laugh:
You made my day, I feel like when my hair grows out and with changes I will grow into my chin...if that makes sense lol XP
A few years back in my 20's I had a few people say I looked like Jennifer Garner (back when Alias was a new series) And when I think of celebrities like Rose McGowan who has a cleft chin it makes me feel better about it!
I'm quite curious what people think of me from my pics, and while I am intersexed and have been on hormones a while, it's always good to get constructive feedback from others :)
Oh and there are some pretty folk in this thread :)
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Aww! You have dimples! Adorable. You look cis female to me!
@Danielle, you look cis pretty lady. Go directly to you look fabulous darling thread.
Cheers
Jamie
Well thanks very much hun :)
Eek.. it takes courage to post here after the last few fabulous ladies, and I am sure you are tired of looking at me besides but.. ! I tried something new, and I'm not really sure if the look is flattering or not.. please be honest, and let me know if I come off as even remotely female in any of these.. thanks!
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Quote from: Anastasia E on September 09, 2013, 08:35:18 AM
Eek.. it takes courage to post here after the last few fabulous ladies, and I am sure you are tired of looking at me besides but.. ! I tried something new, and I'm not really sure if the look is flattering or not.. please be honest, and let me know if I come off as even remotely female in any of these.. thanks!
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OMG please quit toying with my brain Anastasia, you need to go to the "Fabulous" thread. I can hardly stand it knowing that you feel so insecure about your drop-dead-gorgeous feminine looks...Sheesh!
Quote from: Shantel on September 09, 2013, 09:32:24 AM
OMG please quit toying with my brain Anastasia, you need to go to the "Fabulous" thread. I can hardly stand it knowing that you feel so insecure about your drop-dead-gorgeous feminine looks...Sheesh!
I am sorry!! ;_; I don't mean to be insecure, I am just new at actually being
seen when presenting feminine Lol! This is all very new to me, so bear with me.
Okay, so full body shot time!.. Kind of. Am I likely to be instantly clocked wearing something like this? The pants are male, but I am not sure if that's an instant give-away :/ I really need to go clothes shopping, but actually trying on female clothes (I really have no idea where to start size-wise with ordering pants online) is just too nerve wrecking when I present male.. of course I am sure it all gets easier with time, but I would like to be reasonable sure I pass at a glance so I dont have
that to worry about ^^ - if that is a possibility.
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Too obviously masculine? I also need shoes, so it's gender neutral Adidas (at least they are purple ^^) for now...
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 09, 2013, 11:27:37 AM
I am sorry!! ;_; I don't mean to be insecure, I am just new at actually being seen when presenting feminine Lol! This is all very new to me, so bear with me.
Okay, so full body shot time!.. Kind of. Am I likely to be instantly clocked wearing something like this? The pants are male, but I am not sure if that's an instant give-away :/ I really need to go clothes shopping, but actually trying on female clothes (I really have no idea where to start size-wise with ordering pants online) is just too nerve wrecking when I present male.. of course I am sure it all gets easier with time, but I would like to be reasonable sure I pass at a glance so I dont have that to worry about ^^ - if that is a possibility.
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Too obviously masculine? I also need shoes, so it's gender neutral Adidas (at least they are purple ^^) for now...
100% pass! There is absolutely nothing I could possibly critique you on. Like I said before, people would kill to have your looks from top to bottom. Go for it sweetheart, you're a winner!
Anastacia, that is a great look and dont worry about the clothes - the shirt is great and the pants are just pants - whatever - back at college most of the women had jeans or some other unisex clothes. Actually I always liked unisex clothes - puts the focus away from thinking about the need for fabric to be accepted in the gender one feels to be. If you can go for it without setting stronger signals with fabrics, then its even better so. And I think this is definitely working out for you. I think in some situations it would be seen even weirder to put on dresses or skirts (like the college I mentioned - the few women who wore such things were the exception and received more attention (which at this point may not be what you want, depending on your personality)). Also IMO for some reason I think it is harder to "pass" in extremely feminine attire than in a more regular or even a bit "butch" style. I guess people look at women who wear very feminine clothes more closely and expect the women to be extremely feminine as well and then are startled when the women actually is not a total feminine doll but a stronger personality with some rougher patches ;) .
Quote from: Shantel on September 09, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
100% pass! There is absolutely nothing I could possibly critique you on. Like I said before, people would kill to have your looks from top to bottom. Go for it sweetheart, you're a winner!
:Blush: Thanks Shantel, your support is heartwarming. Definitely makes me feel better about myself ^_^ Sorry for making you put up with my constant insecurities.
And thanks for the tip, anjaq. That makes sense.. I think it's part of the 'dress your age' that I have seen discussed before.. I guess nothing gets a perfectly passable mtf clocked faster when buying groceries than dressing like a 21 year old on the way to a night club. I definitely don't want to stand out too much.
That made me laugh! :) - yes that hits the nail on the head - buying groceries looking like being on the way to a night club - or maybe being 21 but dressed like 30 - or 14... This really is what bothered me a lot I guess about some transpeople I knew. Of course it is however fun to dress like a 21 year old on the way to the night club - which is why I did that at times - and then went to the night club :) - ok, I was 24 at that time, but hey - 3 years off, a MtF can pull that off, we are usually thought of being younger anyways from the looks.
Dress always according to age, situation and I guess to a degree your persona. A more shy person would not want to go for ultra short mini skirt and high heels no matter a trans or cis past ;)
But I guess that is sometimes a learning process - after all we do lack the experience of actually being 14 and dress like a 14 year old girl and then growing out of that and gain insight into what IS appropriate. But I found that can be learned quite fast when opening ones personal perception and just take a look and some sane thinking ;)
Just realized that I haven't taken any photos of myself in a while. I just changed my profile photo to the most recent one of myself (from 2 months ago!). Anyways, I think I'm making some good progress and was wondering how well I'm passing nowadays. I've got a few more of myself I would like to share on here but I'm not completely sure how to do so. All my photos are currently either on my facebook profile or on my computer. I would like to know how to link to them using image tags. I hope to get a new photo of myself taken soon.
Here you go Clarity:
You may use photos in posts which enhance the discussion of the topic with the following limitations. These rules also apply to avatars and signature images.
Excessive image width and height
Pictures should be posted in the smallest width and height possible to clearly convey their purpose.
You can specify the width and height by using the following image code.
[img width=48 height=48]http://somesite/image.gif[/img]
Adjust the 48 to whatever numbers work for the image in question.
Well here goes nothing. Please be honest.
DEEP BREATH AND...
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Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I think I finally figured out how to attach a pic so here's mine.
Are you male, biologically? I mean I can see why you have problems using the men's room. What I don't see is why you would be worried about using the women's bathroom in the slightest.
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I think I finally figured out how to attach a pic so here's mine.
Go pee in the ladies room, you won't be questioned about your gender.
Clarity and Christine get my total pass. Alexis I love your hair, smile and gentle eyes and you can be the critic about that movie star's chin.
You look like you could be a female model.
Christine, you don't look male in the slightest way and i really mean that. 200% Pass. Nothing to really critique on. Based on that picture, You don't have to ever worry about passing.
I'm not full time yet and actually have little experience being out and presenting female but been on HRT for a few years. This pic is no makeup, hair color, etc. just plain ol me. I don't think I'm where I need to be yet but feel like I'm getting there.
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Quote from: JessicaH on September 10, 2013, 08:34:12 PM
I'm not full time yet and actually have little experience being out and presenting female but been on HRT for a few years. This pic is no makeup, hair color, etc. just plain ol me. I don't think I'm where I need to be yet but feel like I'm getting there.
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Jessica, my oh my lady you have come a long way, looking very pretty and so happy there. I am impressed and see no negatives!
Wow Christine, just simply wow! I am completely jealous how cute you look and I am sure you make more then enough cis-girls jealous also, and as someone says 200% pass for sure.
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
Well thank you for saying that. I have never really asked anyone to before. I think I have a male chin though.
Ever so slightly, but i would never have though of you as anything other than an attractive young woman!
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on September 10, 2013, 11:18:30 PM
Heyyy everyone...ima returning user...everyone probz forgot me....welll...this was my final result...:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/9710165821/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/9713401870/in/photostream/
...not long before detransitioning. I had an extremely high and female voice as well. It was....welll this is not just an opinion....it was 100% cis. Not just cisgirl, it was high pitched, SUPA femme cisgirl.
I dunno even know why I am posting here....I guess I just want it to be known...I COULD have done it. I am living as a gay boy now, and I am trying to be 100% honest about where I am at and...I AM happy. And that's not denial...I really AM happy (though, it's funny, I still pass despite being 5'11/6ft, after stopping HRT almost 100% flat chested, and short haired). I guess....I just wanted to know what you all thought of the female me :s I guess apart of me also feels I'm betraying the trans world by doing this or somehow refuting trans identities :S
The only person you should ever worry about betraying is yourself babe, and as long as your happy that's all that matters :)
Oh and i looked through some of the rest of the photos in the album, no wonder you get thought of as female even with short hair, you have great soft skin and a tiny waist :P
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I think I finally figured out how to attach a pic so here's mine.
Holy crap. You're in the wrong topic, hon'
You should already know how well you pass.
Quote from: Alexis Hennen on September 09, 2013, 09:52:46 PM
Well here goes nothing. Please be honest.
DEEP BREATH AND...
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Alexis! There you are ;)
Up until a few years ago I would have associated chin dimples with masculinity. I was proven wrong about that. You look like any other 40-something woman I see at the grocery store when I am shopping.
You're worrying too much.
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on September 10, 2013, 11:42:14 PM
OMG heyy Jaime, not sure if you remembaa me XD it's Stefani..hows youuu?
Hi kiddo, how have you been? I have missed you.
I'm doing pretty good.
I just looked at your pictures. You are cute as a boy or girl! The one with the cap still shows you have a feminine body, chika. ;)
Please tell her that I miss her too.
In fact, thinking back about you two makes me want to :'(
You were so cute together.
Oh wow, your parents kicked you out? And darn it, you don't have 15 posts yet.
You got together here. Chemistry comes from the people involved.
But we try and keep this a safe place to develop those social skills that you will carry through life. I'm glad it has worked out for you.
Quote from: Jamie D on September 10, 2013, 11:47:13 PM
Alexis! There you are ;)
Up until a few years ago I would have associated chin dimples with masculinity. I was proven wrong about that. You look like any other 40-something woman I see at the grocery store when I am shopping.
You're worrying too much.
aw thank you. The chin is what happens when your mother forces your face to grow that way. thinking about getting it done.
If you stick around for a while, get to 15 posts, and want to chat, just shoot me a PM.
Sorry about your bank account and all. :(
One of my favorite people on the site is a college student who has gone from gay boy (bottom) to transgirl to bi boy to gay boy (top) and is now taking hormones again.
Being a teen means you can experiment with gender presentation while figuring out what your real identity is.
Quote from: Tessa James on September 10, 2013, 07:46:25 PM
Alexis I love your hair, smile and gentle eyes and you can be the critic about that movie star's chin.
Thank you.. Again the chin is my mothers fault. I really don't like it, but it's what i got to work with.
However you find happiness and peace of mind is what works, right?
We have quite a few people here who are genderfluid, or other types of non-binaries. So nothing really surprises me. I am just glad you are happy. :) :D ;D
That makes me happy to hear. :)
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on September 11, 2013, 01:00:07 AM
Oooh! But before I let you go, one thing I am curious about! Not sure if you have the answer to this, but does stopping HRT abruptly cause T levels to like SKYrocket and does this cause harsh masculanization? Cause I really don't want that. I went directly from estrogen and anti-androgen to just anti-androgen and zero estrogen (I'm still taking the AA but that's all).
I reaaally don't want this to make me more masc :s I want to stay where I am, femme, twinky, gay boyish, if at all possible.
With many meds it is good to taper them off. I don't really know about the rebound effect. That might make a good topic on the HRT board.
(and psssst ... please don't post dosages LOL)
Hi y'all, I'm sorta new here, and I was wondering how do you post pics on here, so I can get y'alls honest opinions
Hi you can post an avatar after 15 posts, it is in the Announcement area where the rules are.
To post a pic in a thread you need to use a site such as photobucket etc to load the pic from, the use the icon above the smileys to insert an image
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I think I finally figured out how to attach a pic so here's mine.
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Om my goood.. I'm so jealous of you..you look so beautiful
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
I suspect though that I may have some genetic anomalies. I've read that if you have extra chromosomes or something of that nature your body won't respond to testosterone normally. I have never been checked for such a thing but it wouldn't surprise me.
You really should check that out. I am aware of this condition - we always were a bit envious about those who had this because they did so not have any male features ;) . I dont know about the US, but in Germany it is required to check for XXY chromosomes and therelike before HRT and surgeries as those could mess up any intersex biological features.
Quote from: Christine88 on September 11, 2013, 05:48:57 AM
Yes now this has me thinking that maybe I should get checked before I do anything. The thing that worries me though about this is that I may be a hermaphrodite. Did I spell that right?
Could be - even without visible clues to you now.
There are several types of IS (intersexuality) and not all of them really play out as changes in genital expression (like a micropenis or such). And even if they do, there exist still some doctors who will "correct" this and assign a gender at birth surgically - with or without knowledge of the parents. But I think these cases are more rare nowadays, especially the parents normally should know. But if you would have for example male genitals but also rudimentary ovaries - that would not be visible but still it is a difference.
I believe also that not all forms of IS are genetic. Wasn't it so that you could be a "XY" genetically and still be intersexed because of some other effect like androgen insensitivity, hormonal influence during pregnancy etc. The latter can cause genital and other physical changes in the fetus and according to some theories also to the brain depending on the time this happened, so that being transsexual has been linked to that as well.
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on September 10, 2013, 11:18:30 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/9710165821/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/9713401870/in/photostream/
I guess....I just wanted to know what you all thought of the female me :s I guess apart of me also feels I'm betraying the trans world by doing this or somehow refuting trans identities :S
I wondered what had ever become of you, one of our most darling protegee's ever! Your Auntie Shan would feel a bit disappointed but that's what families do when one of the kids comes out as trans or gay, so we won't allow those feelings in and I am instead just happy for you, so just be yourself and be happy sweetie!
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Yes unfortunately I was born male. I have male genitals. I suspect though that I may have some genetic anomalies. I've read that if you have extra chromosomes or something of that nature your body won't respond to testosterone normally. I have never been checked for such a thing but it wouldn't surprise me.
Christine,
I believe that you must have some form of IS (androgen insensitivity) going on. Either that, or you're absolutely the most feminine looking male since Andrej Pejic.
Seriously, I'm with others on this board who have expressed the opinion that you will NEVER get clocked in the ladies' room.
If you wear skinny jeans and boots (like you stated in your earlier posts) and otherwise appear female with your gestures and mannerisms, no one will be the wiser.
All the best,
Carol
Quote from: BlondeGamer on September 11, 2013, 01:58:01 AM
Hi y'all, I'm sorta new here, and I was wondering how do you post pics on here, so I can get y'alls honest opinions
Hello BlondeGamer. This is from the image policy on the "Announcements" page:
Pictures should be posted in the smallest width and height possible to clearly convey their purpose.
You can specify the width and height by using the following image code.
[img width=48 height=48]http://somesite/image.gif[/img]
Adjust the 48 to whatever numbers work for the image in question.Hope that helps. :)
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on September 10, 2013, 11:18:30 PM
Heyyy everyone...ima returning user...Stefani...everyone probz forgot me....welll...this was my final result...:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/9710165821/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/9713401870/in/photostream/
...not long before detransitioning. I had (or HAVE) an extremely high and female voice as well. It was....welll this is not just an opinion....it was 100% cis. Not just cisgirl, it was high pitched, SUPA femme cisgirl voice..
I dunno even know why I am posting here....I guess I just want it to be known...I COULD have done it. I am living as a gay boy now, and I am trying to be 100% honest about where I am at and...I AM happy. And that's not denial...I really AM happy (though, it's funny, I still pass as a girl half the time without trying/or even wanting to despite being 5'11/6ft, after stopping HRT almost 100% flat chested, and short haired). I guess....I just wanted to know what you all thought of the female me :s I guess apart of me also feels I'm betraying the trans world by doing this or somehow refuting trans identities :S
Wow you looked amazing!
Don't feel like you betrayed anything. The important thing is you are happy, that's part of the whole process of finding and being honest with yourself.
Ok, so here I am, critique me!
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Quote from: BlondeGamer on September 11, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Ok, so here I am, critique me!
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Um... I'm thinking that you have the look down enough to make the rest of jealous. Now how do you sound and how do you act?
Quote from: Christine167 on September 11, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
Um... I'm thinking that you have the look down enough to make the rest of jealous. Now how do you sound and how do you act?
I sound really feminine without trying, but when I think something is suuuper funny my man luagh comes out lol. But I know that I do need some face work done like brow bone and jawline just a tad.
Quote from: Harlow on August 27, 2013, 07:03:19 PM
I knew there had to be a post like this somewhere!!
A little nervous, my chin/jaw is my biggest worry. But who knows what HRT will do to my face, a lot I hope! Lol, I want a more feminine face then I want boobs or hips XD
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Scruffy DX
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I think you'll make a very beautiful woman, chin and jaw are usually the biggest worries aren't they lol. There's chin implants you can get that will help that out, and honestly I absolutely love your gap, it's unique, very Madonna. You're eyes also just scream Milla Jovovich to me idk why
Quote from: Erin Kay Howell on September 01, 2013, 06:45:20 PM
What do ya think?
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Absolutely adorkable! Just thin your eyebrows out and it'll be more female
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1220.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd459%2FJerryFenty%2F77b67578a5d8dd425985f840f3998db4.jpg&hash=33de5342633d610f2469e638331e3b9451337e0d) Decided ill post a full body picture. Starting hrt in october just wanted to know if my body passes or not and what I need to work on etc. Gonna delete after today.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 11, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1220.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fdd459%2FJerryFenty%2F77b67578a5d8dd425985f840f3998db4.jpg&hash=33de5342633d610f2469e638331e3b9451337e0d) Decide ill post a full body picture. Starting hrt in october just wanted to know if my body passes or not and what I need to work etc. Gonna delete after today.
Princess, you have a nice body and a pretty face, you will do well once you get rid of the wig and get serious about transition. I think you are a real potential winner!
Patience,
I agree with Shantel. Are you wearing a corset, or is that your natural shape? If it's your natural shape, then you're VERY lucky. In ANY case, HRT ought to work very well for you. Wait until you're on it 6 months before you judge any results, though (longer - 2 years - for boobs).
Carol
Quote from: BlondeGamer on September 11, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Ok, so here I am, critique me!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2F1360475216264.jpg&hash=9cf33f48e12f587d9bbcf0c1790112296ec7049d)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2FIMG_20130402_140141.jpg&hash=ce4d8247dea2b6de96b5f519be15da4c2b20095b)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2FImage9.jpg&hash=a8f4449cf08ce5b939cbad455e75173db0e4801e)
Total Fox! But hey you know that already cutie!
Quote from: BlondeGamer on September 11, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Ok, so here I am, critique me!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2F1360475216264.jpg&hash=9cf33f48e12f587d9bbcf0c1790112296ec7049d)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2FIMG_20130402_140141.jpg&hash=ce4d8247dea2b6de96b5f519be15da4c2b20095b)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2FImage9.jpg&hash=a8f4449cf08ce5b939cbad455e75173db0e4801e)
1) I love pink hair
2) You pass just fine
3) Another hot chika
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 11, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
Decided ill post a full body picture. Starting hrt in october just wanted to know if my body passes or not and what I need to work on etc. Gonna delete after today.
Oh wow! Pre HRT and a figure! I'm jelly.
2 months 2 day on hrt what do u think and having 5 lazar session today
Quote from: Shantel on September 10, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
Jessica, my oh my lady you have come a long way, looking very pretty and so happy there. I am impressed and see no negatives!
I have to agree with Shantel - you look very good.... and happy too :)
Got tired of my bangs so i tried something different. But i suck at styling my hair.
Anyway. Could I ever pass with my ginormous forehead?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi871.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab276%2Femalanom%2Fbild38_zpse14ccce5.jpg&hash=67537ba6fb52f688255ad6cc7001dc2416e3021b)
Quote from: BlondeGamer on September 11, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Ok, so here I am, critique me!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2F1360475216264.jpg&hash=9cf33f48e12f587d9bbcf0c1790112296ec7049d)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2FIMG_20130402_140141.jpg&hash=ce4d8247dea2b6de96b5f519be15da4c2b20095b)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz272%2Fbunnycory%2FImage9.jpg&hash=a8f4449cf08ce5b939cbad455e75173db0e4801e)
You look gorgeous !
Quote from: eloij on September 12, 2013, 09:24:34 AM
Got tired of my bangs so i tried something different. But i suck at styling my hair.
Anyway. Could I ever pass with my ginormous forehead?
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Beautiful honey!!!
You pass fine! and look so pretty!!
x
Hi all! I am terribly sorry to take up space in this thread again, but I (again!) tried something new... I know the quality is terrible, which no doubt helps hide those undesirable traits (like beard shadow, ew!) but I only had the web cam at hand. I really dont trust my own opinion yet, and I dont really have anyone else to ask.. ignoring the little details not captured by the cam, I mainly tried setting the hair (wig) differently and shaped my brows some more.
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Better? Worse?
Sorry again!
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 12, 2013, 05:05:30 PM
Hi all! I am terribly sorry to take up space in this thread again, but I (again!) tried something new... I know the quality is terrible, which no doubt helps hide those undesirable traits (like beard shadow, ew!) but I only had the web cam at hand. I really dont trust my own opinion yet, and I dont really have anyone else to ask.. ignoring the little details not captured by the cam, I mainly tried setting the hair (wig) differently and shaped my brows some more.
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Better? Worse?
Sorry again!
Better ;)
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 12, 2013, 05:05:30 PM
Hi all! I am terribly sorry to take up space in this thread again, but I (again!) tried something new... I know the quality is terrible, which no doubt helps hide those undesirable traits (like beard shadow, ew!) but I only had the web cam at hand. I really dont trust my own opinion yet, and I dont really have anyone else to ask.. ignoring the little details not captured by the cam, I mainly tried setting the hair (wig) differently and shaped my brows some more.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg842.imageshack.us%2Fimg842%2F2541%2Fo70v.png&hash=ae1c25aa07d62e8dc3a1f0893ca519dbbc416deb)
Better? Worse?
Sorry again!
I can't say if it's better or worse as I didn't see the prior picture(s) yet; but I think you look *really* nice in this one.
Quote from: eloij on September 12, 2013, 09:24:34 AM
Got tired of my bangs so i tried something different. But i suck at styling my hair.
Anyway. Could I ever pass with my ginormous forehead?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi871.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab276%2Femalanom%2Fbild38_zpse14ccce5.jpg&hash=67537ba6fb52f688255ad6cc7001dc2416e3021b)
Your faceis beautiful. The hair... Well right now you have that nerdy girl Hollywood look. But I bet you can take from where it is, cute & nerdy, to hot and genius in no time at all.With hair that length seek out a good stylist for a good low maintenance cute cut. You might have to put some work into it but it would be so worth it.
Quote from: eloij on September 12, 2013, 09:24:34 AM
Got tired of my bangs so i tried something different. But i suck at styling my hair.
Anyway. Could I ever pass with my ginormous forehead?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi871.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab276%2Femalanom%2Fbild38_zpse14ccce5.jpg&hash=67537ba6fb52f688255ad6cc7001dc2416e3021b)
You look fine, at least you don't appear to have any noticeable brow bossing, I'm sure there are plenty of cis women with tall foreheads just the same it would be really smart to find a good hair stylist and get her take on what might be a better hair style that might minimize the height of your forehead which would serve to offset your own obvious concerns about it.
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 12, 2013, 05:05:30 PM
Hi all! I am terribly sorry to take up space in this thread again, but I (again!) tried something new... I know the quality is terrible, which no doubt helps hide those undesirable traits (like beard shadow, ew!) but I only had the web cam at hand. I really dont trust my own opinion yet, and I dont really have anyone else to ask.. ignoring the little details not captured by the cam, I mainly tried setting the hair (wig) differently and shaped my brows some more.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg842.imageshack.us%2Fimg842%2F2541%2Fo70v.png&hash=ae1c25aa07d62e8dc3a1f0893ca519dbbc416deb)
Better? Worse?
Sorry again!
This feature is here for you and others to elicit critiques, no need to be apologetic hon! I did back up a few pages and like the improvement in the brows, looking good! I do prefer the hair part on the other side, just me though.
Quote from: Shantel on September 12, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
This feature is here for you and others to elicit critiques, no need to be apologetic hon! I did back up a few pages and like the improvement in the brows, looking good! I do prefer the hair part on the other side, just me though.
It's actually the same side, the picture is just mirrored ^_^
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
Quote from: Anastasia E on September 12, 2013, 08:02:33 PM
It's actually the same side, the picture is just mirrored ^_^
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
She tricked ya there Shantel! ;)
Haha :) Not on purpose, promise.
But the hairline is lower, and slightly further to the side(I think).. which I think makes my face seem rounder and more feminine? Not sure!
Quote from: Christine167 on September 12, 2013, 06:39:05 PM
Your faceis beautiful. The hair... Well right now you have that nerdy girl Hollywood look. But I bet you can take from where it is, cute & nerdy, to hot and genius in no time at all.
Hehe, thats what I thought - looks nerdy. maybe also because of the glasses. But nerds are cool these days ;)
As I understand it, forehead size is not as important as shape. So I think I would try something other than to pull the hair out that way as I think it makes the hairline look a bit square-ish. I think a new haircut would not be a bad idea, one that somehow encourages a perception of a more oval face. I didnt see you with bangs - I can imagine that you used them to cover up the hairline - I know I do that a lot - so I cannot compare.
Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 12, 2013, 08:04:51 PM
She tricked ya there Shantel! ;)
It wouldn't be the first time a good looking woman has tricked me, besides I'm not as smart about these things as I pretend to be! ;D
Quote from: Shantel on September 13, 2013, 09:59:36 AM
It wouldn't be the first time a good looking woman has tricked me, besides I'm not as smart about these things as I pretend to be! ;D
lol :-)
Quote from: Shantel on September 11, 2013, 07:18:07 PM
Princess, you have a nice body and a pretty face, you will do well once you get rid of the wig and get serious about transition. I think you are a real potential winner!
Thank you so for the advice. Yeah I plan getting a more natural color wig in the future.
Quote from: Carol on September 11, 2013, 07:22:42 PM
Patience,
I agree with Shantel. Are you wearing a corset, or is that your natural shape? If it's your natural shape, then you're VERY lucky. In ANY case, HRT ought to work very well for you. Wait until you're on it 6 months before you judge any results, though (longer - 2 years - for boobs).
Carol
no I'm just pulling the back on the dress a little since it was a bit bigger in the chest area and I don't have any boobs yet. Lol Thank you so much! I have more faith transitioning now! :)
Quote from: Jamie D on September 11, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
Oh wow! Pre HRT and a figure! I'm jelly.
Haha thnks a lot. I'm grateful. :)
Quote from: BlondeGamer on September 11, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Ok, so here I am, critique me!
I'd try my luck, you're just hot. And you're a gamer. That's everything I could ever want. Besides kindness of course.
Today I finally had the guts to go outside dressed. Okay, I admit it's been shortly after midnight when I started, so almost nobody was on the street... but some cars drove by and one of them slowed down to take a look at me. Don't know if they clocked me or if they didn't though as I was busy getting away...
Thay said I'm pretty happy. I'm just feeling oh so right. I love the feeling of a skirt, the freedom...
Of course I know that my style sucks. I have only a few women's clothes as I'm not out of the closet and I have to hide them from my SO. Nevertheless I did my very best.
I took some pictures when I returned. It felt so overwhelming I had to take pictures. Okay, I know I'm half-assed in taking pictures, but what do you think?
... pictures removed ...
Please don't include the pictures in your reply as I will take them down shortly. Did I say that I'm not out of the closet yet?
I like the dress ;) and good for you, I've dressed androgynous before in public but never full fem.
Quote from: franie on September 13, 2013, 08:15:14 PM
I am still trying figure out how to post photos?
[img]http://webpage.com/image.jpg[/img]
Quote from: PrincessPatience on August 14, 2013, 12:56:42 AM
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Pre? wow, you pass :p
Okay, here is a pic i took today.. How em i doing??
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Quote from: Alexis Hennen on September 14, 2013, 01:12:32 PM
Okay, here is a pic i took today.. How em i doing??
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I'd say great! Love the naturalness :) - And I think that picture is lots better than the last one ;)
Alexis, geez you look a whole lot different than your previous avatar, very mature woman! Maybe your previous avatar was taken a while ago, like two different people. Nice to see a bit of a smile there.
This was taken yesterday. I took it because yesterday a customer who comes in often saw me approach and with a huge excited smile said "Hey girl!! How's it going"? Then immediately she looked regretful, and tried to back track saying "Hey guy"! lol I told her to not worry that I took it as a complement XD
She works in the salon next door, and I work at a beauty supply so I see her often. So for her to momentarily think I was a girl when I see her daily was pretty huge for me!!
I think it was the "updo" style of my hair even though my hair is short. I think I'm going to wear it like this from now on! I have a hair comb holding the back of my hair up kind of like a french twist and then the headbands. It looks better in person
Just curious what do you all think of the hair?
I think it's more feminine looking all pinned up in back and with the headbands until I grow it out longer :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi145.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr227%2FThaliesin%2FMeh%2520n%2520Jasper%2FSept142013HRT26days_zps46c664c4.jpg&hash=c5c573a248f5256276da69f540ff05cdfdc42a9a)
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
Well thank you for saying that. I have never really asked anyone to before. I think I have a male chin though.
I totally agree that Christine looks like female and I think she can go to female bathroom. Obviously, I would recommend that she uses female's bathroom en femme. Here, in England, I sent a few emails to shop's managers and they all replied to me that I can use female changing room without doubt. I am a pre-op transgender M to F.
Quote from: anjaq on September 14, 2013, 01:37:08 PM
I'd say great! Love the naturalness :) - And I think that picture is lots better than the last one ;)
Thanks anjag, I don't use a lot of makeup I don't like the caked on feeling...
Quote from: Jamiep on September 14, 2013, 01:49:47 PM
Alexis, geez you look a whole lot different than your previous avatar, very mature woman! Maybe your previous avatar was taken a while ago, like two different people. Nice to see a bit of a smile there.
Thanks Jamiep I think this is probably one of my favorite pictures to date.
Quote from: Harlow on September 14, 2013, 02:43:44 PM
I think it's more feminine looking all pinned up in back and with the headbands until I grow it out longer :)
I totally agree it looks really fem pushed back like that, you should get one of these it would look super cute! (plus it kinda matches your sweater)
http://img0.etsystatic.com/001/0/6573650/il_fullxfull.374688192_gawd.jpg
Quote from: faye on August 29, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
This is me from day to day Sometimes light makeup sometimes darker.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/m2.jpg
Here are two sides and one front after showering and throwing on a t shirt, no femme makeup etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side1_zpsfa7ccb1f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/side2_zpsa874f732.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/voidofchaos/front1_zpsffae1d88.jpg
I have a question, I want to make sure i look pretty enough to impress a guy I am going out on a date with,
judging from my photos, will he clock me at any time during the date?
From anyones perspective. I don't want to blow it because I like him a lot,
I will be wearing some light makeup like in my first photo.
thanks
To clarify he likes feminine girls and i dont want to look too masculine.
I finally faced the mirror and shaved today, as my face was getting itchy. For some reason I always look better in my bathroom mirror than I do in real life. These pics were taken shortly after I showered, shaving my torso for the first time. It feels so good to be smooth like this! I actually dulled out my body razor and used up all the hot water, so my arms and legs are still hairy, but nonetheless I'm liking what I see.
Anywho, here's a pair of face pics. I'm pre-everything at the moment, so please keep that in mind. (Hopefully I'll be on HRT in a couple of weeks!) I have lipstick somewhere, but I couldn't find it, so meh. Thoughts?
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/s720x720/63926_577171765676418_29395597_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q75/s720x720/1234659_577171805676414_1737696016_n.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg856%2F9405%2Ftidc.jpg&hash=7af4424c509c21a59c81b6ddc7d5d4edc03b020a)
Just got out of the shower :/
Quote from: Christine88 on September 10, 2013, 06:59:54 PM
Well I think I finally figured out how to attach a pic so here's mine.
Beautiful ;D
what age did you start hormones? I bet a pretty early age.
Good call. That was my thought exactly, Christine. Glad you went to the doc to let it test. :) - I know it still sucks to be IS but at least you will do great in respect to transitioning and it will likely be much less of a deal than with most.
Quote from: Christine88 on September 15, 2013, 07:53:13 AM
Actually I've never taken hormones. I just went to the doctor Friday about all this and they think I have complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. The doctor was shocked to see that I had male genitals and she told me that she almost certain that had AI. They took some blood samples for lab work and I'll find out sometime next week.
There has been a number of very pretty runway models who were born AIS!
Septet., I can't see any brow bossing on your profile and it shows a femme nose. Your only real issue that I saw is the width of your jaw and I think this should be fine when mixed in with the rest of your features.
Quote from: Blastradius on September 14, 2013, 11:35:58 PM
I totally agree it looks really fem pushed back like that, you should get one of these it would look super cute! (plus it kinda matches your sweater)
http://img0.etsystatic.com/001/0/6573650/il_fullxfull.374688192_gawd.jpg
Thanks!
That is a cute headband, I'll have to check them out :)
Quote from: -Emily- on September 15, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
OK, I need some feedback. Its been just over 4 months and everyday seems very very different. Sometimes, I think I see her, but at times I look in the mirror and it is like there have been no changes at all. I tend to see the guy again in the mirror. So disregard the T-shirt, flat chest and messy hair (I hope my hair will be taken care tomorrow) and just be honest - who do You see there? M, F, A?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOa3LTrCh.jpg&hash=1ad252326900bbc96c125afb441b9dc4081043b8)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqJHQN2qh.jpg&hash=c235d89e417b48fe2f96df9c85c9da00657556e3)
Overall appearance says male to me, honestly. Probably a combination of the glasses, a hint of adam's apple, the hair, and possibly eyebrows?
Because I think your features overall are getting feminine.
Quote from: -Emily- on September 15, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
OK, I need some feedback. Its been just over 4 months and everyday seems very very different. Sometimes, I think I see her, but at times I look in the mirror and it is like there have been no changes at all. I tend to see the guy again in the mirror. So disregard the T-shirt, flat chest and messy hair (I hope my hair will be taken care tomorrow) and just be honest - who do You see there? M, F, A?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOa3LTrCh.jpg&hash=1ad252326900bbc96c125afb441b9dc4081043b8)
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Hey Emily! I think your starting to lean towards Androgynous while you still to me look a bit male (Sorry! ><). But I've only seen a few pictures of you and what I remember you hair was shorter plus they were further back and less portrait so I can't really say how much of you has changed!
I'd like to see you smile however, and from a graphic designer/photographer stand-point those photos are so yellow you sorta of blend into the back ground.
But keep going, I "know" you'll get there!
Yes, Emily, smile! :D - that would look better I think. Maybe also take pictures with better light, it looks rather dark. I would say you are looking androgynous. If someone told me you are a butch lesbian I would believe them (I know one or two who have a similar look), but otherweise I would lean towards gendering you as male. I dont know really why - I think some markers are looking female, esp in the second picture, but you do have some markers that point towards male, that is as said before the small but noticeable adams apple, the haircut, the T-Shirt - maybe the glasses. The hair and shirt would be ok for a woman that has more female gender markers otherwise. I would recommend making a photo without the glasses first. If that looks already better, you could try to get contact lenses or different glasses. Just an idea.
I think some ladies got lost in the shuffle. I'm going to go in reverse order, but if I miss someone please re-post.
> -Emily-
Reading M-leaning-A. From the nose up, more A, but you don't have a particularly strong jaw. I'd like to see without the glasses; I suspect they're emphasizing the wrong features.
> Nicole Nikki
Reading M. Lovely hair and what I can see of your face is quite pretty. Bra band generally goes right across the xiphoid process, halfway between elbow and armpit; your push implies a lot of up if that makes sense.
> Septet
Reading M (surprised?). But you have wonderful bright eyes (especially because they are technically deep-set) and soft features. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when you find a good foundation and beard-corrector. Some lip shine perhaps, but do this: block above and below your nose with your fingers, you really are cute already.
> Harlow
A. But oh so gorgeously androgynous. I want to give you pixie-burns. (Lolwhut?) Okay, so the way you'd trim sideburns for a male-style cut would be to let the hair fall down naturally and just square it off with clippers. That makes the hairs all end along the same line. But in a pixie cut, you let the sideburns grow. Female-pattern hair growth means roots don't grow down the jawbone, but the hairs themselves are long.
The way you do this is to run a thumb or comb up the jawbone. That pushes the hairs up, you trim or shave or remove the roots below whatever line you pick. I use the cheekbone. But I'm still growing out mine, and maybe it's not a look you want.
Much better Emily. Just adding the smile takes you a lot further from M to A and as your hair grows out you should stretch those miles even further to finally hitting A and leaning to F. ;)
I can really see the changes in your face by the way. It's good and you should be confident that the girl is starting to peek out just a bit :)
Quote from: Christine167 on September 15, 2013, 05:11:31 PM
Much better Emily. Just adding the smile takes you a lot further from M to A and as your hair grows out you should stretch those miles even further to finally hitting A and leaning to F. ;)
I can really see the changes in your face by the way. It's good and you should be confident that the girl is starting to peek out just a bit :)
Awww, thanks :).
Much better indeed amazing what a smile can do! Emily I can see some small changing happening there now with the comparison pictures. Your cheeks starting to round out a bit more, clearer skin, hair softer but that might be fresh out of the shower deal!
But they are there!
Quote from: musicofthenight on September 15, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
> Harlow
A. But oh so gorgeously androgynous. I want to give you pixie-burns. (Lolwhut?)
Why thank you n_n !
And I'll have to google that hair cut to get an idea of what you're describing :P
Like this
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Certainly not this
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I see what you mean, I have those but they're longer :)
I actually had long hair past my chest a few years ago. I cut it off but still had the pony tail, so I actually made extensions out of it yesterday and I just have to sew it on clips now. So excited, who would have known a 4 year old pony tail would come in handy :P
I still have to color them again, the blue wasn't sticking in spots so it looks green. Anyway as soon as I get them finished I'll take a pic and post it for sure ;D
Akira and Music, thanks for your feedback. The chin/jaw has been a point of worry for me. I've been told I don't look as male when I'm in motion, as I've always had rather feminine mannerisms, but pictures always look dude-ish. Also, thank you for saying that about my nose. I've been kind of worried about it, so I'm glad you think it looks femme.
Do you know of a good website that sells makeup for beards and such? I really don't like going out in public, so online shopping is my preferred method.
okey me again, this is some of my pic. (still dressing like a man)
please tell me which part of my face that make me look like a man. it's the eyebrow isn't it and the chin and the jaw and everything -_-"
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Quote from: princessemma on September 16, 2013, 03:45:04 AM
okey me again, this is some of my pic. (still dressing like a man)
please tell me which part of my face that make me look like a man. it's the eyebrow isn't it and the chin and the jaw and everything -_-"
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The only thing I could possibly see that's somewhat masculine is the jaw, but I think the biggest thing would be the hair. You're beautiful now, but if you let your hair grow out, that could help. However, I do find you 100 percent passible in the avatar as is, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it's possible that darker clothes help you pass better.
Quote from: Malachite on September 16, 2013, 03:57:15 AM
The only thing I could possibly see that's somewhat masculine is the jaw, but I think the biggest thing would be the hair. You're beautiful now, but if you let your hair grow out, that could help. However, I do find you 100 percent passible in the avatar as is, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it's possible that darker clothes help you pass better.
thank you very much.. i think my hair is growing really slow.. so sad
Quote from: princessemma on September 16, 2013, 04:01:32 AM
thank you very much.. i think my hair is growing really slow.. so sad
Have You considered biotine food supplement?
Quote from: -Emily- on September 16, 2013, 04:07:49 AM
Have You considered biotine food supplement?
never heard of it.. does it really help?
Emma, I would not worry too much about facial structures yet. I think for now, getting rid of facial hair if you have some (in one of the pics I think I see some on the upper lip) and maybe doing something with the hair (different cut or style) and eyebrows (just regular plucking in shape) would be good steps, then give HRT some time. I think the rest looks good.
Quote from: anjaq on September 16, 2013, 04:30:04 AM
Emma, I would not worry too much about facial structures yet. I think for now, getting rid of facial hair if you have some (in one of the pics I think I see some on the upper lip) and maybe doing something with the hair (different cut or style) and eyebrows (just regular plucking in shape) would be good steps, then give HRT some time. I think the rest looks good.
actually i'm still pretty confused, in order to change my eyebrows shape do i need ffs?
Quote from: Alisha on September 16, 2013, 04:34:37 AM
actually i'm still pretty confused, in order to change my eyebrows shape do i need ffs?
No, I would not think so (I dont exclude that later on in case you do have some "brow bossing" that is noticeable, but I dont see that on the images you put up). For now, plucking is enough. There are thousands of instructions on that in the internet like this one: http://www.wikihow.com/Pluck-Your-Eyebrows
Many women do it regulary for beauty reasons. Basically it is 2 steps: you determine how the eyebrows should look like (there are various ways to determine that and it depends on what people consider beautiful) and then you start with a tweezer and pluck the hairs out that do not fit the shape. Usually the best way is to pluck only the ones below the center of the brow, meaning to start from your eye upwards, not from top down. That way you can get a clearly defined line of hair above your eyes and that looks already very well then. Dont get tempted to remove too much though - a very thin eyebrow is not attractive. Of course plucking has to be repeated when the hairs come back, just like waxing or shaving legs. I chose to let electrolysis be done on the brows as well (which is technically a medical procedure in a way) as I did not want to keep plucking, but that is really just a cosmetic thing (and one of the reasons so many electrologists exist and make a business even without transpeople around ;) ).
Well I am in a graphics sort of mood tonight so I decided to do a quick little drawing of how I have come to shape my own eyebrows. Maybe it will help you a little? I started out with this tutorial http://hairremoval.about.com/od/eyebrowshaping/ss/eyebrow-shaping.htm and over time kind of tweaked the shape to my exact liking. I went really really slowly with it, taking little bits away at a time whenever I would tend to my eyebrows. It made for a really smooth gradual transition.
Here is basically what I do now:
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It seems to me with shaping your eyebrows as an MtF, there are two main goals:
1) raise the lowest point a little (females tend to have higher set brows) and
2) add an arch shape (tends to distract from or beautify excess brow bone)
I hope this helps you! In closing my only other advice is take it slow and good luck!! You will be stunned at the effect it will have on your face... I can already see it :)
Also, note the area that I typically leave untouched. Taking away hairs there can make things look a bit unnatural. As well, you don't want TOO much arch, or you will look like you are angry or something :P I would refer to the tutorial for just the right amount of arch.
thank you anjaq thank you jenny that's a nice drawing.. okey then, i'll try.. ;D
You are so welcome :) Good luck!
Dear sisters,
i've asked in the coming out section where i could post a picture of me and this is the right section i hope...
i'm transgender, well thats how i feel.. anyway, just want to share a picture of me, i must warn you that i'm the most imperfect girl ( my face is extraordinary ugly so be warned... i'm trying my best to get everything as good as it can get...
deleted photo: i think i scared the bleep out of everyone
I think longer/more feminine hair would do great things for you. Also, you have really nice looking legs. Don't be so harsh on yourself, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we can't all be the supermodel version of beautiful. Looks aren't everything that make a person beautiful, a concept that I know is very hard to make yourself believe, especially around a group of people whose main issues are often based entirely on looks i.e. passing.
Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 16, 2013, 06:45:23 AM
I think longer/more feminine hair would do great things for you. Also, you have really nice looking legs. Don't be so harsh on yourself, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we can't all be the supermodel version of beautiful. Looks aren't everything that make a person beautiful, a concept that I know is very hard to make yourself believe, especially around a group of people whose main issues are often based entirely on looks i.e. passing.
thanks about the compliment about my legs, the hair stuff i'm gonna take in consideration...
and yup i'm not able to pass, but i'm just starting to get in save enviroments to be myself...
i'm not pretty so i have to deal with it an this is besides some small things the best i can do
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 16, 2013, 05:59:46 AM
Well I am in a graphics sort of mood tonight so I decided to do a quick little drawing of how I have come to shape my own eyebrows. Maybe it will help you a little? I started out with this tutorial http://hairremoval.about.com/od/eyebrowshaping/ss/eyebrow-shaping.htm and over time kind of tweaked the shape to my exact liking. I went really really slowly with it, taking little bits away at a time whenever I would tend to my eyebrows. It made for a really smooth gradual transition.
Here is basically what I do now:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpcF8LX0.jpg&hash=6653fe34ea08bd9762dee12c44c01c7b5c11245a)
It seems to me with shaping your eyebrows as an MtF, there are two main goals:
1) raise the lowest point a little (females tend to have higher set brows) and
2) add an arch shape (tends to distract from or beautify excess brow bone)
I hope this helps you! In closing my only other advice is take it slow and good luck!! You will be stunned at the effect it will have on your face... I can already see it :)
Also, note the area that I typically leave untouched. Taking away hairs there can make things look a bit unnatural. As well, you don't want TOO much arch, or you will look like you are angry or something :P I would refer to the tutorial for just the right amount of arch.
Nice, great advice, suppose if I had eyebrows to begin with it would help...Meh!
Hey if you dont have visible brows because they are blond or such, there is always the option to use a browliner and make them look like you desire. My mom always did that when she was younger as she had very blond brow hairs.
Oh and to Alisha - be careful about plucking the hairs on the top side (top left in the images). Just thin it a little bit there if it is really needed. Generally most instructables will tell you not to pluck much or anything at all from the top, so that the lower part is a line, the upper part is more fuzzy - that looks more natural than sharp lines at both sides.
Quote from: anjaq on September 16, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
Hey if you dont have visible brows because they are blond or such, there is always the option to use a browliner and make them look like you desire. My mom always did that when she was younger as she had very blond brow hairs.
Oh and to Alisha - be careful about plucking the hairs on the top side (top left in the images). Just thin it a little bit there if it is really needed. Generally most instructables will tell you not to pluck much or anything at all from the top, so that the lower part is a line, the upper part is more fuzzy - that looks more natural than sharp lines at both sides.
Noted, thank you sister.. :)
Quote from: anjaq on September 16, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
Hey if you dont have visible brows because they are blond or such, there is always the option to use a browliner and make them look like you desire. My mom always did that when she was younger as she had very blond brow hairs.
Of course you are right but you know how it is, we always want some attribute that someone else has that is so much better than our own. My mom was from a generation where women actually shaved their eyebrows off and then penciled them in. I always thought that they looked so phony and severe, but that was their style then, stupid as it seems.
Quote from: anjaq on September 16, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
Hey if you dont have visible brows because they are blond or such, there is always the option to use a browliner and make them look like you desire. My mom always did that when she was younger as she had very blond brow hairs.
Oh and to Alisha - be careful about plucking the hairs on the top side (top left in the images). Just thin it a little bit there if it is really needed. Generally most instructables will tell you not to pluck much or anything at all from the top, so that the lower part is a line, the upper part is more fuzzy - that looks more natural than sharp lines at both sides.
Very true! I thought about leaving the top trim part out, maybe I should modify it
It has been such a long while since I've posted here!
I'm currently nine months in on hormones and would kindly appreciate opinions on my passing ability, at least as far as can be determined by my horribad selfie-taking abilities. (I know I am dressing androgynously and without make-up of any sort, but I like a natural look--maybe I should move on to light makeup eventually?)
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Alice, you look nice. Love your hair, let it grow longer. Most all women use makeup to look better. To me you need to learn to use makeup for your face, lipstick, etc.... Your eye brows are way too thick, thin & shape them better with more of a curve. Have you ever colored your hair? Why not try some different colors. Have fun young girl, you look great!
Quote from: Alice-blossom on September 16, 2013, 08:58:50 PM
It has been such a long while since I've posted here!
I'm currently nine months in on hormones and would kindly appreciate opinions on my passing ability, at least as far as can be determined by my horribad selfie-taking abilities. (I know I am dressing androgynously and without make-up of any sort, but I like a natural look--maybe I should move on to light makeup eventually?)
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Hi Alice,
You're cute enough, but Francis is right about the makeup. I don't wear makeup of any sort because I'm androgynous and kind of an average/homely type. You on the other hand are pretty and should use a little makeup to enhance that pretty face. You're hair is fine, but you could fine tune those eyebrows like Francis said and put a little arch in them. Good luck, you're looking good hon!
I plucked my eyebrows as you suggested. Are they okay, should they be a bit thinner?
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Aww, Alice you are adorable!
Always amazing how such a bit of brow plucking makes people look more beautiful :)
Quote from: Alice-blossom on September 16, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
I plucked my eyebrows as you suggested. Are they okay, should they be a bit thinner?
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Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
Quote from: Alice-blossom on September 16, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
I plucked my eyebrows as you suggested. Are they okay, should they be a bit thinner?
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oh my god you did it and you look wonderful.. i'm still afraid to do it..does it hurt?
Hehe, just the usual level of pain a woman has to endure for being a bit more pretty ;) - Naj, it does hurt a little bit sometimes, but if you ever waxed your legs or arms - plucking eyebrows is nothing compared to that ;) . Go ahread, try it, it takes only half an hour or so (the first time, then you get faster) and I think it will make a big difference.
It hurts a little more while plucking using your off-hand (in my experience), but thats just because it's harder to tweeze effectively with it. It really doesn't hurt that bad either way though ;)
Also, I've been told that pulling my fringe back doesn't do wonders for my long(-ish) face. Is there a hairstyle anyone with experience could suggest that would suit my look?
Quote from: Alice-blossom on September 17, 2013, 10:50:26 AM
It hurts a little more while plucking using your off-hand (in my experience), but thats just because it's harder to tweeze effectively with it. It really doesn't hurt that bad either way though ;)
Also, I've been told that pulling my fringe back doesn't do wonders for my long(-ish) face. Is there a hairstyle anyone with experience could suggest that would suit my look?
It might be worth the small expense of going to see a reputable stylist and get a professional opinion based on the shape of your face, the height of your forehead and all the other considerations you and she might decide to factor in that would be best for you.
I've only just begun going out on normal days doing normal things, and I appear to be doing better... but any help anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated! :)
No wig (I'm really, most sincerely bald, but I think I have a well-shaped noggin. ;)
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With wig, after a night on the town (stubble showing visibly, alas)
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Any and all feedback would be appreciated... thank you! ;D
Here are some pictures of me from a few weeks ago... I'm planning on having FFS for both my huge Greek nose and forehead. I want to model one day and really want one of those pointy model noses.
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Quote from: likealolita on September 18, 2013, 12:00:21 AM
Here are some pictures of me from a few weeks ago... I'm planning on having FFS for both my huge Greek nose and forehead. I want to model one day and really want one of those pointy model noses.
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Smile, you are pretty!
Quote from: robinmack on September 17, 2013, 02:02:01 PM
With wig, after a night on the town (stubble showing visibly, alas)
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Any and all feedback would be appreciated... thank you! ;D
The photo with wig looks a lot like a 40-something woman I might see shopping at the mall. :)
What do you do for the crows feet? I would moisturize more.
Quote from: robinmack on September 17, 2013, 02:02:01 PM
I've only just begun going out on normal days doing normal things, and I appear to be doing better... but any help anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated! :)
No wig (I'm really, most sincerely bald, but I think I have a well-shaped noggin. ;)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi888.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac84%2Fwriterrobinmack%2F1074032_1375513369349560_1365882027_o_zpscaba0afa.jpg&hash=eb0b641d710d12d48ba441091188432e3de54d14) (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/writerrobinmack/media/1074032_1375513369349560_1365882027_o_zpscaba0afa.jpg.html)
With wig, after a night on the town (stubble showing visibly, alas)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi888.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac84%2Fwriterrobinmack%2F346be618-7dbb-4006-a9d7-d6e8e5097f47_zpse58687ec.jpg&hash=86d663eaedb444171558c6cc6c8dceb505b5726f) (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/writerrobinmack/media/346be618-7dbb-4006-a9d7-d6e8e5097f47_zpse58687ec.jpg.html)
Any and all feedback would be appreciated... thank you! ;D
I like the bald look, just goes to show you don't necessarily need long hair to look feminine or to look beautiful.
Hey guys,
I've been lurking around for a few months checking for information, helpful advise (a lot of it here by the way, it has been great), and after checking with a therapist and thinking about it for a few months, I think am going through for HRT next month. I am pre-everything, and I intend to get FFS, HRT and laser of course. Would you honestly that I could pass after going through the whole set of process after a year or two? Now am about 1m80 and weight 68kg (5'11, 145ish pounds), and for the sake of context, I have a very fast metabolism, while I lost some 12kg of fat in about 2 months, I intend to get some 5kg of healthy fatty back with a healthy, rich diet and by exercicing soon after starting HTR. I have done that kind of thing in the past and it should not be a problem, I just hope that when I go up again, it will go to the right places. Am very insecure about my back which is kind of broad, I used to be a swimmer and a model with the tight waist and also it does not really help when you try to not look like a man. Here are 2 totally casual photos.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae345%2Fjscanon%2FPhotoon9-18-13at609PM_zpsd7c36df8.jpg&hash=47589ffb01ca9ab43138bcb3652d30bd1fe28493)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae345%2Fjscanon%2FPhotoon9-18-13at610PM5_zpscd1f38f9.jpg&hash=2342177130973de416cea6aab0a30a6e75ecf0b7)
Thanks for your time, I have seen this community is so full of helpful people.
ganjina-
First of all, you've got great hair.. and very feminine eyes. In my opinion, I don't think passing will be an issue for you. You're already off to a GREAT start with the hair. Many say that long hair is incredibly feminizing, and I agree.
Dunno what it is, but I think you're going to be kind of a stunner if you put the effort in.
Like a lot of us, it looks like you will probably have to correct the adam's apple protrusion and you will need the obvious laser hair removal sessions to get rid of beard shadow. I think you will likely have a great result from that stuff and HRT alone, though.. Those eyes! Very excited to see your progression :)
Being trim before starting HRT is great. I would give it at least 6 months before you really try to start putting any weight back on... It takes a little while for estrogen to "soak in" enough to start affecting body fat redistribution. I am on the HRT fast track and I think I really started noticing changes there when I was 7-8 months in. Keep us posted!
@Robinmac, you look lovely. I really love the bald photo. The only thing I would mention is, go easy on your eyeliner. Lining the lower lid can have the effect of shrinking your eyes, also fully lined eyes like that are really more of a young girl/teen look. You don't want to look like a grown up emo do you? :p
These are all instagrams I'm using on an online dating profile. I don't mention my trans status in my profile though. Do I pass as cis in these pictures? Yes they have filtery things but it seems that's what everyone does on the site..
pics gone :)
Quote from: Isabelle on September 18, 2013, 08:49:43 PM
@Robinmac, you look lovely. I really love the bald photo. The only thing I would mention is, go easy on your eyeliner. Lining the lower lid can have the effect of shrinking your eyes, also fully lined eyes like that are really more of a young girl/teen look. You don't want to look like a grown up emo do you? :p
These are all instagrams I'm using on an online dating profile. I don't mention my trans status in my profile though. Do I pass as cis in these pictures? Yes they have filtery things but it seems that's what everyone does on the site..
Please don't quote my photos.
I'd say you pass 90%. To an unsuspecting person, you would probably pass. I think its party the eyebrows being really thin and partly the chin/jaw that make me second guess. I couldn't be sure because ciswomen have these features relatively often as well. The second picture passes the best in my eyes.
Personally, I would say a 100% pass.. that you might not have been born female would never have entered my mind - I see nothing overly masculine about your features. At all.
Quote from: Sara on September 08, 2013, 07:07:01 PM
How am I doing? 6.5 months.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F4vKlUoo.jpg&hash=27c60542eb4bfe778ddf6162a0ae776cab793319)
Sara, your skin looks good, your hair is cute, you look femme to me (I have three daughters). If I were you, I would add a smile to my repertoire. ;)
Quote from: Isabelle on September 18, 2013, 08:49:43 PM
@Robinmac, you look lovely. I really love the bald photo. The only thing I would mention is, go easy on your eyeliner. Lining the lower lid can have the effect of shrinking your eyes, also fully lined eyes like that are really more of a young girl/teen look. You don't want to look like a grown up emo do you? :p
These are all instagrams I'm using on an online dating profile. I don't mention my trans status in my profile though. Do I pass as cis in these pictures? Yes they have filtery things but it seems that's what everyone does on the site..
Please don't quote my photos.
You definitely look female to me. You actually look kind of French. Are you French? On a related note, the word "French" no longer looks like a word to me...
THanks for the feedback everyone :) Nope, not French. Norwegian ancestry though.. does that count?
Thanks for the feedback Jennygirl that was kind of you :). Any other opinions would be appreciated.
Quote from: ganjina on September 18, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
Hey guys,
I've been lurking around for a few months checking for information, helpful advise (a lot of it here by the way, it has been great), and after checking with a therapist and thinking about it for a few months, I think am going through for HRT next month. I am pre-everything, and I intend to get FFS, HRT and laser of course. Would you honestly that I could pass after going through the whole set of process after a year or two? Now am about 1m80 and weight 68kg (5'11, 145ish pounds), and for the sake of context, I have a very fast metabolism, while I lost some 12kg of fat in about 2 months, I intend to get some 5kg of healthy fatty back with a healthy, rich diet and by exercicing soon after starting HTR. I have done that kind of thing in the past and it should not be a problem, I just hope that when I go up again, it will go to the right places. Am very insecure about my back which is kind of broad, I used to be a swimmer and a model with the tight waist and also it does not really help when you try to not look like a man. Here are 2 totally casual photos.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae345%2Fjscanon%2FPhotoon9-18-13at609PM_zpsd7c36df8.jpg&hash=47589ffb01ca9ab43138bcb3652d30bd1fe28493)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae345%2Fjscanon%2FPhotoon9-18-13at610PM5_zpscd1f38f9.jpg&hash=2342177130973de416cea6aab0a30a6e75ecf0b7)
Thanks for your time, I have seen this community is so full of helpful people.
Give me your nose! Photocopy it and mail it to me or something! lol
I think your face is a great starting point! You are really good looking as a man and I think it will translate over into womanhood perfectly overtime.
Not sure how to reply in-thread yet, so I'll just do one big post...
Thank you, Anyonymous, Septet, Jamie D, and Isabelle for the constructive comments and the reassurance. I've got such a long way to go; I'm only beginning to get info on local electrolysis places, and just had to postpone my first gender therapy appt yesterday (grump). It's nice to know my face at least doesn't need a ton of surgery. :)
Quote from: Jamie D on July 30, 2013, 05:23:37 PM
New, combined topic.
Here's the deal. We have too many people cross-posting the same images in multiple topics. That's prohibited. Images take up space and cost money. The Moderators were directed to "lock or combine" the image topics.
Limit your image posting to no more than two at a time. If we can do that, these topics might stay in the free section of the site.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi39.tinypic.com%2F2aj412v.jpg&hash=55416a4501751336e938c2e404c29b1b247945a9)
I've been on hormones for five months. No FFS.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
I honestly don't think you do at all. If I saw you, I wouldn't have to look twice to know that you were a girl. If I looked twice it'd be probably be to check you out :laugh:
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
Looks great really. Reall good for Pre HRT for sure. Maybe you could also benefit a tad from the eyebrow plucking mentioned some posts earlier if you did not do that yet. Its neat as it is basically like makeup in its effect but you dont have colored stuff in the face ;)
Hey Gabriella, good things are happening for you!. Big difference in your face shaping, you are smiling & looking Happy! Is that your hair growing out? Try thin out & arch your eye brows with a taper to a fine point where the hair ends on the outside of your eye. Progress. It Takes patience.
Hi all,
have taken on board comments and wanted to show changes I have made to my face. Any responses/advice would be gratefully received :)
Have not yet begun HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi896.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac164%2Fnattiet%2Fimage201308260002_zpsa62fc68f.jpg&hash=04354434946d8dcd3c8586373c9fb0ed01b66a65)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi896.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac164%2Fnattiet%2Fimage201309200002_zpse86d5b67.jpg&hash=f282b946503f23e12182077797ac75a2bf2a323b)
Quote from: NatalieT on September 20, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
Hi all,
have taken on board comments and wanted to show changes I have made to my face. Any responses/advice would be gratefully received :)
Have not yet begun HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi896.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac164%2Fnattiet%2Fimage201308260002_zpsa62fc68f.jpg&hash=04354434946d8dcd3c8586373c9fb0ed01b66a65)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi896.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac164%2Fnattiet%2Fimage201309200002_zpse86d5b67.jpg&hash=f282b946503f23e12182077797ac75a2bf2a323b)
Wow....its amazing what you can do with eyebrows and hair....you're like a whole new person. Can definitely see more female in the new picture in fact it almost looks like a side by side picture of brother and sister.
Quote from: Anonymous User on September 20, 2013, 06:59:37 AM
Wow....its amazing what you can do with eyebrows and hair....you're like a whole new person. Can definitely see more female in the new picture in fact it almost looks like a side by side picture of brother and sister.
It really does!
Quote from: ganjina on September 18, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
Hey guys,
I've been lurking around for a few months checking for information, helpful advise (a lot of it here by the way, it has been great), and after checking with a therapist and thinking about it for a few months, I think am going through for HRT next month. I am pre-everything, and I intend to get FFS, HRT and laser of course. Would you honestly that I could pass after going through the whole set of process after a year or two? Now am about 1m80 and weight 68kg (5'11, 145ish pounds), and for the sake of context, I have a very fast metabolism, while I lost some 12kg of fat in about 2 months, I intend to get some 5kg of healthy fatty back with a healthy, rich diet and by exercicing soon after starting HTR. I have done that kind of thing in the past and it should not be a problem, I just hope that when I go up again, it will go to the right places. Am very insecure about my back which is kind of broad, I used to be a swimmer and a model with the tight waist and also it does not really help when you try to not look like a man. Here are 2 totally casual photos.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae345%2Fjscanon%2FPhotoon9-18-13at609PM_zpsd7c36df8.jpg&hash=47589ffb01ca9ab43138bcb3652d30bd1fe28493)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi986.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fae345%2Fjscanon%2FPhotoon9-18-13at610PM5_zpscd1f38f9.jpg&hash=2342177130973de416cea6aab0a30a6e75ecf0b7)
Thanks for your time, I have seen this community is so full of helpful people.
Not only would you pass, after going through everything, but you would probably be pretty hot! I can see that you have nice facial definition and bone structure, and your hair is going to be the envy of women everywhere!! As for your body shape/back/etc, there are women of all shapes and sizes everywhere, and you can offset that by the clothing you wear. I look forward to seeing your before/after picture down the road! (:
Quote from: Tyler92 on September 20, 2013, 01:34:17 AM
I honestly don't think you do at all. If I saw you, I wouldn't have to look twice to know that you were a girl. If I looked twice it'd be probably be to check you out :laugh:
Oh wow Haha thanks! :laugh:
Quote from: anjaq on September 20, 2013, 02:41:37 AM
Looks great really. Reall good for Pre HRT for sure. Maybe you could also benefit a tad from the eyebrow plucking mentioned some posts earlier if you did not do that yet. Its neat as it is basically like makeup in its effect but you dont have colored stuff in the face ;)
Yeah, i forgot about that haha. Gonna try that next and thanks!
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
I see just the opposite of manly. I see a beautiful young lady.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
Awwww ... I liked the blue hair!
But no, you don't look "manly"
Quote from: robinmack on September 19, 2013, 08:51:26 AM
Not sure how to reply in-thread yet, so I'll just do one big post...
Thank you, Anyonymous, Septet, Jamie D, and Isabelle for the constructive comments and the reassurance. I've got such a long way to go; I'm only beginning to get info on local electrolysis places, and just had to postpone my first gender therapy appt yesterday (grump). It's nice to know my face at least doesn't need a ton of surgery. :)
You are welcome! :)
At the risk of repeating what's already been stated; there are some absolutely beautiful women posting in this thread. I hope you all realize this.
sorry for my late reaction, i concur with all the others, every one is beautifull only in can't see my beauty... my picture is a couple of post back...
i'n cant be better even if a train hits me... :(
Quote from: Judiana on September 21, 2013, 04:19:21 AM
i'n cant be better even if a train hits me... :(
I think that goes for all of us :D There's nothing wrong with the way you look, the problem is society. It doesn't help that the trans world can sometimes be obsessed with conventional female beauty even more than society overall.
Quote from: Anonymous User on September 21, 2013, 04:39:37 AM
I think that goes for all of us :D There's nothing wrong with the way you look, the problem is society. It doesn't help that the trans world can sometimes be obsessed with conventional female beauty even more than society overall.
yes indeed society it is, if a lady buy's some man shorts thats ok but if a man buy's a dress your're a freak for society...
Quote from: Judiana on September 21, 2013, 04:44:19 AM
yes indeed society it is, if a lady buy's some man shorts thats ok but if a man buy's a dress your're a freak for society...
Its all relative too and sometimes we worry more than we have to, take a look at the FTM forums, there's plenty of anxiety and discrimination (whether real or only imagined) when they go shopping for men's clothes.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
Not a chance in the world doll face!
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
It's soo much better. You look awesome :-) x
Gawd... I like REALLY want to post to this, yet I am admittedly quite bashful, if that is the right word. Eh, I know that I need work. But I can see how this thread and others like it can be an asset to people. Maybe I'll post eventually, when I work up the nerve. Lol.
all of the sisters,
your are beautifull !!
Quote from: Jamie D on September 18, 2013, 02:36:23 AM
Smile, you are pretty!
Thanks, I would smile, I've just been going through a tough time recently... anyone else want to comment on my pics?
Quote from: likealolita on September 18, 2013, 12:00:21 AM
Here are some pictures of me from a few weeks ago... I'm planning on having FFS for both my huge Greek nose and forehead. I want to model one day and really want one of those pointy model noses.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2Feg8i2x.jpg&hash=26dcb8315ee4f005c875343b7cf384279a986fd3)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Fo6juyo.jpg&hash=83846485ae2c860b5f363f5dede1554c1cd0d49a)
Hi Lolita!
You have pretty eyes and eyebrows and gorgeous lips, the nose as you say will need a fine tuning along with the adam's apple. You have nice hair, eventually you should see a competent stylist and see what will work best for your face and forehead. Try an not get too slender, you seem awfully skinny hon, though I know that modeling calls for some skinniness you could use a little more meat on your frame. I'm not being hurtful, just honest. My best to you girl!
Dear Friends,
I have never, ever posted a picture of myself in Susans' forum before.
Well, here I am. I am very nervous about doing this. This is all I feel comfortable showing for now.
I am wearing a t-shirt with a lightly lined support bra underneath (46B) and a high waist girdle.
Comments please.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi944.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad284%2Fsawmeinto%2F0011024x768_zps37ff8517.jpg&hash=958a9fd1affeba657dbe57bdf9f90fbc3de2f5a4) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/sawmeinto/media/0011024x768_zps37ff8517.jpg.html)
Quote from: Dani on September 22, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
Dear Friends,
I have never, ever posted a picture of myself in Susans' forum before.
Well, here I am. I am very nervous about doing this. This is all I feel comfortable showing for now.
I am wearing a t-shirt with a lightly lined support bra underneath (46B) and a high waist girdle.
Comments please.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi944.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad284%2Fsawmeinto%2F0011024x768_zps37ff8517.jpg&hash=958a9fd1affeba657dbe57bdf9f90fbc3de2f5a4) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/sawmeinto/media/0011024x768_zps37ff8517.jpg.html)
B-52's Dani, looking pretty hot lady!
Thank you, Shantel.
I have always been on the larger side. Which is why I hesitated to post a picture.
Quote from: likealolita on September 18, 2013, 12:00:21 AM
Here are some pictures of me from a few weeks ago... I'm planning on having FFS for both my huge Greek nose and forehead. I want to model one day and really want one of those pointy model noses.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2Feg8i2x.jpg&hash=26dcb8315ee4f005c875343b7cf384279a986fd3)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Fo6juyo.jpg&hash=83846485ae2c860b5f363f5dede1554c1cd0d49a)
if you simply got a haircut with bangs if it'd have you think twice about ffs. I know bangs really helped my forehead and took attention away from my nose
Quote from: Hideyoshi on September 23, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
if you simply got a haircut with bangs if it'd have you think twice about ffs. I know bangs really helped my forehead and took attention away from my nose
I totally agree! I feel like I couldn't pass without bangs. Bangs work miracles :)
Quote from: Judiana on September 21, 2013, 04:19:21 AM
sorry for my late reaction, i concur with all the others, every one is beautifull only in can't see my beauty... my picture is a couple of post back...
i'n cant be better even if a train hits me... :(
You don't scare anybody! We all do the best we can with what we've got. :)
I commented on another of your posts that "beauty" is more than bone structure.
Quote from: Dani on September 22, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
Dear Friends,
I have never, ever posted a picture of myself in Susans' forum before.
Well, here I am. I am very nervous about doing this. This is all I feel comfortable showing for now.
I am wearing a t-shirt with a lightly lined support bra underneath (46B) and a high waist girdle.
Comments please.
Mmmm, I would not mistake those for a male, I can tell ya. I'm jelly.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
Wow! You have really nice hair! And no, you look rather feminine.
Quote from: Silvermist on September 23, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
I totally agree! I feel like I couldn't pass without bangs. Bangs work miracles :)
I love bangs! I think everyone looks better in bangs!
After some time lurking... I post my images.
I am from Italy.
40 y.o, no hormones, yet. I went "full time" 2 months ago. I am starting to "pass",
or, better, it seems that I don't receive too many looks.
Sometimes I am also "ma'amed" by strangers.
What are your suggestions?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7ONiuJk.jpg&hash=0ef3fbed765afa7edb2c6a792af4cf59d4819cb6)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZOwttLz.jpg&hash=1f1565d9849c0968f40d188a02698ffc3dcdc74e)
Tamara from what I can see you are doing fine you eve hold the phone like a woman would. The pictures are a little dark though.
That said I just love the little black dress on you. Was it a shopping day occasion? :)
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
You look absolutely stunning! I love (and am jealous of) those luscious lips :) Only suggestion, find someone local who can do eye-brow threading, they'd shape it really well for you. :)
Quote from: tmarina on September 24, 2013, 03:16:03 AM
After some time lurking... I post my images.
I am from Italy.
40 y.o, no hormones, yet. I went "full time" 2 months ago. I am starting to "pass",
or, better, it seems that I don't receive too many looks.
Sometimes I am also "ma'amed" by strangers.
What are your suggestions?
Welcome tmarina,
You look female from what I can see, the photos are very dark though, perhaps you might post some more that are lighter and maybe a close-up of your face?
@Jennygirl, dr girlfriend, KatelunRain thanks for your time and the comments :). I am really looking forward to this, hopefully in some months I will be able to post other photos... In the meantime I will have to do with this.
Quote from: Shantel on September 24, 2013, 07:48:25 AM
Welcome tmarina,
You look female from what I can see, the photos are very dark though, perhaps you might post some more that are lighter and maybe a close-up of your face?
Hello Shantel, glad to meet you.
I try with these photos, maybe they are clearer.
I am starting to grow my hair, they are brown-reddish. No make up, no hormones yet.
My breast is fairly natural, only a push up, I have gynecomastia.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlDABaVP.jpg&hash=aa4b10f37bd203ea85f38bd9bfaeb14167b4f09b)
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Quote from: tmarina on September 24, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
Hello Shantel, glad to meet you.
I try with these photos, maybe they are clearer.
I am starting to grow my hair, they are brown-reddish. No make up, no hormones yet.
My breast is fairly natural, only a push up, I have gynecomastia.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FlDABaVP.jpg&hash=aa4b10f37bd203ea85f38bd9bfaeb14167b4f09b)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVe9JKA5.jpg&hash=160b933d2e900aa4f8b980183f472c8c0e820315)
You look very female and appear to have a nice figure, you will be stunningly beautiful after a year or two on female hormones. Judging from your stance in both sets of photos you are already quite feminine. Welcome to the family!
Quote from: PrincessPatience on September 20, 2013, 12:33:18 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2F65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg&hash=51e4e5316230d9fa5e69923def8056e5999fb226) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/65A2B699-2B77-4EF0-AF97-77CC66A548F0-1961-000004659FFB564A_zps8e92daa1.jpg.html)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft535%2FBadKidJerry%2FF91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg&hash=80e501714d82f3b4bc74109df1f63e0b9a949391) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/BadKidJerry/media/F91D19F8-FE42-4266-AB6A-85BAB4A1D3B8-1961-000004656CF4D4B9_zpsb7c49c51.jpg.html)
So I took you girls advice before i start HRT next month. I got a more natural hair color, got a new hair cut and ditched the blue hair.
Still scared to try on make up tho but i'm working on it. Do i look manly in anyway?
Youre easily pass for me. Even without HRT.
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj3sE8xRh.jpg&hash=0d4010a74c05c2b0532c0b3a5b5b9e9ebc5ea569)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXA4TqCPh.jpg&hash=d5853a31938e9257f1c1f6b73c82d3a7205a3352)
I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
Quote from: Chris29 on September 24, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj3sE8xRh.jpg&hash=0d4010a74c05c2b0532c0b3a5b5b9e9ebc5ea569)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXA4TqCPh.jpg&hash=d5853a31938e9257f1c1f6b73c82d3a7205a3352)
I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
You are very pretty ^^
Quote from: Chris29 on September 24, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
Yes you are Chris, pretty girl face on you!
Quote from: Chris29 on September 24, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj3sE8xRh.jpg&hash=0d4010a74c05c2b0532c0b3a5b5b9e9ebc5ea569)
I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
How is this "boy mode"?
Heya, i got a new wig today! and i was wondering what you all think of it!!
i want to have my hair this length when i grow it out a bit!!!!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fwebcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg&hash=37720ac5ae3d3c8bef23f4e89aed2682ae421caf) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/webcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg.html)
Xx
Quote from: Chris29 on September 24, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj3sE8xRh.jpg&hash=0d4010a74c05c2b0532c0b3a5b5b9e9ebc5ea569)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXA4TqCPh.jpg&hash=d5853a31938e9257f1c1f6b73c82d3a7205a3352)
I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
That's your boymode? Fark me sideways... I end up looking like Arnold in Conan if I forget to shave for a day. You're very lucky, and very pretty.
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on September 24, 2013, 04:28:38 PM
Heya, i got a new wig today! and i was wondering what you all think of it!!
i want to have my hair this length when i grow it out a bit!!!!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fwebcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg&hash=37720ac5ae3d3c8bef23f4e89aed2682ae421caf) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/webcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg.html)
Xx
Looking very pretty Zoe, if I had enough hair to grow out I'd love to do the same, good plan though!
Hiya! What about me!? The first picture is me with a tad of makeup from my tg friend in the background and the second one was 2 days ago how I look normaly. There's a lot of work I need to do on my body but I know a good diet and the right excersize combined with when I start hormones after a while should shape things out lol. I'm in the navy now waiting to get out in a year and a half. https://db.tt/3sXT4Qaa. https://db.tt/4TsiP9EU
the oval of your face is beautiful, also the lips.
longer hair will do the rest of the job, I suppose
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on September 24, 2013, 04:28:38 PM
Heya, i got a new wig today! and i was wondering what you all think of it!!
i want to have my hair this length when i grow it out a bit!!!!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fwebcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg&hash=37720ac5ae3d3c8bef23f4e89aed2682ae421caf) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/webcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg.html)
Xx
That is so cuteee.. you're very pretty ^^
Awe thank you very much :) you're beautiful as well! I can hope that someday I'll look as good as you. Only time will tell!
Quote from: chris(kelsea) on September 25, 2013, 01:43:47 AM
Hiya! What about me!? The first picture is me with a tad of makeup from my tg friend in the background and the second one was 2 days ago how I look normaly. There's a lot of work I need to do on my body but I know a good diet and the right excersize combined with when I start hormones after a while should shape things out lol. I'm in the navy now waiting to get out in a year and a half. https://db.tt/3sXT4Qaa. https://db.tt/4TsiP9EU
You should do well as long as you don't have a ship tattooed on your chest hon! You aren't going to try and transition while you are still in the service are you? Best to get a clean DD-214 (honorable) VA benefits are great!
Thanks! And no I don't plan on starting till I'm out of the military here in the next year or so, but what all does the va cover for m2f transitions?
Quote from: Chris29 on September 24, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fj3sE8xRh.jpg&hash=0d4010a74c05c2b0532c0b3a5b5b9e9ebc5ea569)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXA4TqCPh.jpg&hash=d5853a31938e9257f1c1f6b73c82d3a7205a3352)
I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
Without doubt, you look very feminine on this picture. I am sure that you are taking estrogen, and it works pretty well.
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on September 24, 2013, 04:28:38 PM
Heya, i got a new wig today! and i was wondering what you all think of it!!
i want to have my hair this length when i grow it out a bit!!!!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1313.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft549%2FZoe_Louise_Taylor%2Fwebcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg&hash=37720ac5ae3d3c8bef23f4e89aed2682ae421caf) (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Zoe_Louise_Taylor/media/webcam-toy-photo1_zpsad1622a8.jpg.html)
Xx
he looking good that about the length of my hair just had mine cut
After 12 weeks, and 2 days of HRT, I would like to know what people think, and/or hear any advice anyone might have.
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The first three are from yesterday, and the last one is from a month ago.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2FIMG953214.jpg&hash=8b78b2ff49fe111846762407db12040b0cd9babd) (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2FIMG953215.jpg&hash=af909a0e523112cb2fd41c2dd621b09202b90a80)
This is me dressing up before any hormones. I look HUGE!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2FIMG954608.jpg&hash=d55817043184eabab780418eb90af18b09e95558)
ANd this is what I used to look like as a guy in everyday life until recently.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2F1150970_625466444154954_474529185_n.jpg&hash=6b2bcfc6f9a09cc2ac311bbe53c5eaa3a5ba07aa)
This is my most recent boy mode picture that I have.
Do you think I could pass in public now, or should I still wait a little bit longer?
Thank you, <3
Kasihnya Masha Hoffman
Quote from: kasihnya on September 26, 2013, 07:05:32 AM
After 12 weeks, and 2 days of HRT, I would like to know what people think, and/or hear any advice anyone might have.
Do you think I could pass in public now, or should I still wait a little bit longer?
Thank you, <3
Kasihnya Masha Hoffman
Quite a quantum leap for you Kasihnya! Based on looks alone you probably could pass well enough but I wouldn't rush it, there are the other things like body language, voice and a myriad of other nuances to consider. Probably best to talk to your girlfriend in the photos with you and get her take on how well you will pass. Assuming she is cis, she will give you the best critique concerning overall passibility!
Quote from: Shantel on September 26, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
Quite a quantum leap for you Kasihnya! Based on looks alone you probably could pass well enough but I wouldn't rush it, there are the other things like body language, voice and a myriad of other nuances to consider. Probably best to talk to your girlfriend in the photos with you and get her take on how well you will pass. Assuming she is cis, she will give you the best critique concerning overall passibility!
I will thanks. Most of my friends say when they talk to me on the phone, they never think they are talking to a guy, and when I call strangers, or oder in the drive through, I get mam'd all the time. I am not going to rush it, and a lot of my friends say that I could pass now, and some say I almost could pass with the wig on. And you are correct, my girlfriend is CIS. I personally feel that I need to wait maybe one more month and change more, but I think I will wait for my hair to grow out more.
Quote from: kasihnya on September 26, 2013, 02:43:06 PM
I will thanks. Most of my friends say when they talk to me on the phone, they never think they are talking to a guy, and when I call strangers, or oder in the drive through, I get mam'd all the time. I am not going to rush it, and a lot of my friends say that I could pass now, and some say I almost could pass with the wig on. And you are correct, my girlfriend is CIS. I personally feel that I need to wait maybe one more month and change more, but I think I will wait for my hair to grow out more.
Good plan, you're looking hawt though! :)
Quote from: chris(kelsea) on September 25, 2013, 11:02:47 AM
Thanks! And no I don't plan on starting till I'm out of the military here in the next year or so, but what all does the va cover for m2f transitions?
Chris,
The VA will cover counseling, lab tests and medications. Most VA hospitals are now offering this on an outpatient basis.
Make sure you get an honorable discharge or your eligibility may be in question.
Good Luck and thank you for your service!
Quote from: chris(kelsea) on September 25, 2013, 01:43:47 AM
Hiya! What about me!? The first picture is me with a tad of makeup from my tg friend in the background and the second one was 2 days ago how I look normaly. There's a lot of work I need to do on my body but I know a good diet and the right excersize combined with when I start hormones after a while should shape things out lol. I'm in the navy now waiting to get out in a year and a half. https://db.tt/3sXT4Qaa. https://db.tt/4TsiP9EU
you look pretty with makeup, and smiling... it's always interesting to see how much more feminine girls look when they just smile.
but i think the makeup is too dark under your eyes, or you need some concealer to hide dark rings... unless you're a goth type, but you don't really look like that to me.
Quote from: kasihnya on September 26, 2013, 07:05:32 AM
After 12 weeks, and 2 days of HRT, I would like to know what people think, and/or hear any advice anyone might have.
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The first three are from yesterday, and the last one is from a month ago.
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This is me dressing up before any hormones. I look HUGE!
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ANd this is what I used to look like as a guy in everyday life until recently.
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This is my most recent boy mode picture that I have.
Do you think I could pass in public now, or should I still wait a little bit longer?
Thank you, <3
Kasihnya Masha Hoffman
Losing muscle mass will help you a lot, I think. Btw on the last picyou look like Elijah Wood. :)
coming up to 3 months on HRT
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t553/stacey_fisher1/004_zps62defe32.jpg?t=1380287463
Quote from: kasihnya on September 26, 2013, 07:05:32 AM
After 12 weeks, and 2 days of HRT, I would like to know what people think, and/or hear any advice anyone might have.
A couple of things:
- You have a great smile. Smiling, like you are already, that nice wide smile, goes a long way towards a more feminine appearance. Smiling automatically reshapes your chin, raises your cheeks, and brightens your eyes. Keep that up, even when you're not feeling it on the inside.
- Nice job with the wig. It's hard to find one that looks not-wiggy and you've done an excellent job. It's a modern style, not too over the top (you're not screaming "I'm a girl!"), and not too understated (you're not trying to be bland so people don't notice you).
I'd say that from your photos, you look rather pretty. Clothingwise, you look best in the photo with the jeans and white shirt - until the body size/shape is more feminine, I personally find that the overly-feminine clothing (dresses etc.) doesn't quite work. Sometimes the key is to dress down rather than up. I look terrible in a dress, but not that bad when wearing a cute top and a pair of jeans. Remember that fancy female clothing is designed to emphasize and show off those parts of a female body that we don't have - hips and boobs, thin waist and narrow shoulders - and trying to fit a guy's body into a girl's party dress looks like a guy in a dress more often than not. Out of the three dress photos, you look best in the first, where the shoulders are covered and the clothing is less formal. You're also perhaps in the better pose in that photo too, with the legs crossed so that your hips look wider, photo angle looking down on you rather than up so that you appear shorter etc.
All of that said, you're very cute in all of the photos. HRT will do wonders for you. I can't wait to see a picture of you a year from now!
Quote from: stacey fisher on September 27, 2013, 08:15:31 AM
coming up to 3 months on HRT
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Stacey, smile! You have nice big eyes and beautiful hair - lots to smile about. I'm a firm believer that looking happy in a photo (and in daily life too) is one of the simplest ways we have of appearing more feminine, so take every opportunity you have to show it. I'd love to see a picture of you with a big, happy smile! :)
(Edit - Er, yeah, just posted and seen my advice opposite my unhappy-looking avatar. I should take some of my own medicine I guess.)
Quote from: stacey fisher on September 27, 2013, 08:15:31 AM
coming up to 3 months on HRT
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t553/stacey_fisher1/004_zps62defe32.jpg?t=1380287463
Stacy, you look really nice and are obviously older just as I am. You do have a nice shaped face and I can almost see the softness of your skin. Let me encourage you to do as I have recently and look into trying Botox treatments to remove the wrinkles, each treatment lasts three months, then there are collagen fillers that seems to lessen scarring dramatically and is good for up to three years, this is the less expensive fix for those of us who don't yet need a face lift.
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t553/stacey_fisher1/20130807_114944_zpsb471ff97.jpg
before starting hrt
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t553/stacey_fisher1/27913_zps9fa5a3fd.jpg
not a good pic done on my web cam
Quote from: Skinny18 on September 27, 2013, 06:32:16 AM
Losing muscle mass will help you a lot, I think. Btw on the last picyou look like Elijah Wood. :)
Thank you, I have been losing muscle fast. I am not sure if you can tell but my legs used to be much more muscular. Before this, I was a 200 and 100 Meter Butterflier so I was much bigger in the quads, back, shoulders, and ect.
ABout Elijah Wood, I have gotten that a lot! People have told me I looked like that guy from Hangover, and like superman. I don't think so anymore so much but in he past.
Quote from: Michele on September 27, 2013, 08:36:11 AM
A couple of things:
- You have a great smile. Smiling, like you are already, that nice wide smile, goes a long way towards a more feminine appearance. Smiling automatically reshapes your chin, raises your cheeks, and brightens your eyes. Keep that up, even when you're not feeling it on the inside.
- Nice job with the wig. It's hard to find one that looks not-wiggy and you've done an excellent job. It's a modern style, not too over the top (you're not screaming "I'm a girl!"), and not too understated (you're not trying to be bland so people don't notice you).
I'd say that from your photos, you look rather pretty. Clothingwise, you look best in the photo with the jeans and white shirt - until the body size/shape is more feminine, I personally find that the overly-feminine clothing (dresses etc.) doesn't quite work. Sometimes the key is to dress down rather than up. I look terrible in a dress, but not that bad when wearing a cute top and a pair of jeans. Remember that fancy female clothing is designed to emphasize and show off those parts of a female body that we don't have - hips and boobs, thin waist and narrow shoulders - and trying to fit a guy's body into a girl's party dress looks like a guy in a dress more often than not. Out of the three dress photos, you look best in the first, where the shoulders are covered and the clothing is less formal. You're also perhaps in the better pose in that photo too, with the legs crossed so that your hips look wider, photo angle looking down on you rather than up so that you appear shorter etc.
All of that said, you're very cute in all of the photos. HRT will do wonders for you. I can't wait to see a picture of you a year from now!
Wow, what a response. Very detailed and I am very thankful for your input. I agree with you a lot, but I loved how I felt in that pink dress, and I personally like how I look in the skirt and white shirt the best of all of them. Im very happy with my results from HRT and shocked actually. I really hope that I keep seeing a lot more changes. :) A for a year from now, that makes two, I cant wait for it!!
Quote from: kasihnya on September 27, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
Wow, what a response. Very detailed and I am very thankful for your input. I agree with you a lot, but I loved how I felt in that pink dress, and I personally like how I look in the skirt and white shirt the best of all of them. Im very happy with my results from HRT and shocked actually. I really hope that I keep seeing a lot more changes. :) A for a year from now, that makes two, I cant wait for it!!
Yeah, I think you are right on with feeling great in that pink dress. You look fabulous :D
Actually I really like all of the recent photos. It looks like your muscle tone is already starting to shift and (like most women) with the right dress you are totally a hottie! Take the pink dress for example.. Great choice because it flares out just under the thinnest part of your waist.. helping to accentuate a more feminine curve by flaring over the hips. Wonderful!
Keep up the great work. Really great style!
Oh yeah... and of course you have a great smile :D
I knid of have to agree on the "downdressing". Sometimes it is good to do that just like other women do it if they dont have some features of the body to match the dress. Thats why there is all the fuzz about fashion and finding those fashion stuffs that look great (and feminine or sexy if you like that) but fit to the own body - even if that woman has narrow hips, smaller breasts or shorter legs. Some things dont work with that then, others emphasize other areas and thus work.
stacey: SMILE! - you look so bitter on the photos. Maybe because of some pain or year long repressing who you are, but liberte yourself from that now and smile on the photos and I think you will look much better in them ;)
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 27, 2013, 05:07:39 PM
Yeah, I think you are right on with feeling great in that pink dress. You look fabulous :D
Actually I really like all of the recent photos. It looks like your muscle tone is already starting to shift and (like most women) with the right dress you are totally a hottie! Take the pink dress for example.. Great choice because it flares out just under the thinnest part of your waist.. helping to accentuate a more feminine curve by flaring over the hips. Wonderful!
Keep up the great work. Really great style!
Oh yeah... and of course you have a great smile :D
I love that pink dress, I wish it was mine but it isn't. It is my roommate's I realized a few weeks ago, while I was shaving my legs, that my thighs were a lot smaller and things were so much easier to shave, i.e. behind the knee in the joint. I have a before pic of my torso so they can compare if they want.
I'm just starting to get into the dressing, fashion do's and don'ts. My roommate has helped a lot! I wish I could take the credit. A lot of my friends are saying what a few on here are saying about choosing clothes that accentuate my best parts, and that hide my worst parts. The way I see it, is that women come in all shapes and sizes, so there have to be plenty of women that will have pretty much the same problems I do.
Quote from: anjaq on September 27, 2013, 05:44:28 PM
I knid of have to agree on the "downdressing". Sometimes it is good to do that just like other women do it if they dont have some features of the body to match the dress. Thats why there is all the fuzz about fashion and finding those fashion stuffs that look great (and feminine or sexy if you like that) but fit to the own body - even if that woman has narrow hips, smaller breasts or shorter legs. Some things dont work with that then, others emphasize other areas and thus work.
Plenty of my friends have said just that, down-dressing. There are soooo many things that I would not have thought of for a while or forever if my friends hadn't told me, or people like you didn't tell me.
Quote from: stacey fisher on September 27, 2013, 10:11:05 AM
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not a good pic done on my web cam
Stacey, love the last pic - you have such a charming Mona Lisa smile! Especially compared to the immediate prior photo, pre-HRT, I can see a huge difference. Three months has really changed the shape and softness of your face, and I bet that after six, and then twelve months, the results will be even more dramatic.
Quote from: kasihnya on September 27, 2013, 06:46:50 PM
The way I see it, is that women come in all shapes and sizes, so there have to be plenty of women that will have pretty much the same problems I do.
Exactamundo! A lot of MtF's end up with a rectangle or banana shaped body, which is also very common for models and lots of women. A quick google of "how to dress rectangle body shape" will pretty much tell you everything you need to know :)
Also hint hint... stay away from dark colored pants/jeans. Light colors/washes will make your hips 'n bum stand out in a good way!
I have to disagree (a little) about downdressing.
As Einstein (probably, it is disputed) said: "Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler." I can say:
down-dress as much as possible, but not too much
The key, in my opinion is not only to down-dress but to dress to emphasize the "features" that
everyone has. It has been said that women's dress are often used to emphasize things we don't have
like small shoulders, breasts, hips.
But there are other feminine clothes which can emphasize things we DO have, like usually long
legs.
In my experience I have seen that I am "ma'amed" more often with a skirt (no MINI skirt, just a knee
length skirt) than with a pair of trousers, even feminine.
The key is, as always, as for native female, to find our own style and use it.
For some of us maybe casual, for others maybe more elegant, every woman is different, so every mtf is different.
marina
Quote from: tmarina on September 28, 2013, 01:18:33 AM
The key is, as always, as for native female, to find our own style and use it.
For some of us maybe casual, for others maybe more elegant, every woman is different, so every mtf is different.
marina
Let me add to Marina's comments, dress with similar fashion sense indigenous to your geographic locale, consider time and place as well as what's age appropriate and you'll always be passable.
Omfg you are hot :o. Boymode? I would hit on you in a heartbeat and I am not even remotely into boys.
Quote from: Chris29 on September 24, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
How I went out last time in "boymode" with a friend:
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I had a lot of akward boy-fail moments :D
It was this friend's idea to go like this to a goth/industrial party(and mostly her clothes :P). Somehow I wonder if she suspects i m different ???
Quote from: tmarina on September 28, 2013, 01:18:33 AM
I have to disagree (a little) about downdressing.[...]
But there are other feminine clothes which can emphasize things we DO have, like usually long
legs.
yes, "down"dressing may be the wrong word. Dressing appropriatly is better. According to the own body, local customs or maybe fashion or culture, job, situation, age,... Its something one has to get a feel for, I think. I tend to simplify this and not dress much different but rather in a universal way, but that is a bit boring I admit. I used to be a bit more diverse when I was younger and more slender.
If you have long legs thats great. I think quite a few MtFs have them and that is a good one to show for beauty if you like ;) - I am not blessed with that though, quite the opposite. Is leg length a gender marker by the way or is it just a thing that people find long legs more attractive?
Quote from: anjaq on September 28, 2013, 12:39:21 PMI am not blessed with that though, quite the opposite. Is leg length a gender marker by the way or is it just a thing that people find long legs more attractive?
In a certain sense long legs are a double edge sword.
If a male has short and thick legs maybe he can just pass "better" (ceteris paribus), because
he can "pad" something and create an artificial hip.
Usually long, skinny legs are very attractive but they are usual hold by long, skinny males, with
a waist to hip ratio near 1 :-\, not very feminine...
So, yes, long legs are very attractive but do not show them too much (for example with a mini
skirt) because in this case you tend up to show like a man with a skirt.
The key is always balance, and, as been said, blending with local females of your age/status.
marina
Hmm . So short legs are linked to wider hips? Could be. I have both. This makes me look horrible in any shorter skirts though, so I avoid them. But I still dont get it if long/short lega are in some way gender related. I always thought that they are not.
Flounce and ruffle skirts are amazing for thin hips. Whenever I wear something like this, someone always tells me how flattering my outfit is- and trust me my hips are nothing to go writing home about ;) (not that I hate them)
i.e.....
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Quote from: Jennygirl on September 28, 2013, 04:55:30 PM
Flounce and ruffle skirts are amazing for thin hips. Whenever I wear something like this, someone always tells me how flattering my outfit is...
Oh, do show us!
At some point I totally got out of the picture taking mode... Oh yeah that was right about the time that my cell phone went fubar ;D Luckily only a few days left before I get my new one! (http://ebuyjo.com/store/image/cache/data/Samsung/note3/Samsung-Galaxy-note-3-Pink-EbuyJo-7-400x400.jpg)
Quote from: Jennygirl on September 28, 2013, 05:27:27 PM
At some point I totally got out of the picture taking mode... Oh yeah that was right about the time that my cell phone went fubar ;D Luckily only a few days left before I get my new one! (http://ebuyjo.com/store/image/cache/data/Samsung/note3/Samsung-Galaxy-note-3-Pink-EbuyJo-7-400x400.jpg)
Ok... I will wait patiently. ;)
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t553/stacey_fisher1/bth_20130929_112512_zpsc16557f7.jpg?t=1380475512
up to date pic of me
Quote from: stacey fisher on September 29, 2013, 08:04:22 AM
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t553/stacey_fisher1/bth_20130929_112512_zpsc16557f7.jpg?t=1380475512
up to date pic of me
Again, I am getting an error while trying to view your picture. :(
up to date pic of me
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Quote from: kasihnya on September 26, 2013, 07:05:32 AM
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I think this is the best picture of you, you look amazing in all of them though. You can see from the ones in the before HRT in jeans that you have already lost a lot of muscle mass. It's crazy looking at your before photo as a man and to think only 3 months you look so feminine already! Very exciting :)
As for full time I think that is up to you, at this point whatever you're comfortable with either way I think you look really good!
Quote from: Harlow on September 29, 2013, 01:36:21 PM
I think this is the best picture of you, you look amazing in all of them though. You can see from the ones in the before HRT in jeans that you have already lost a lot of muscle mass. It's crazy looking at your before photo as a man and to think only 3 months you look so feminine already! Very exciting :)
As for full time I think that is up to you, at this point whatever you're comfortable with either way I think you look really good!
I agree with you about the photo, it is my favorite. As for full time, from what I have heard people say on here, and friends that I have talked to, I should lose a little more muscle mass. Halloween will be when I test the waters. These were the first photos I took with makeup since I started HRT, and when I compared them to the before pictures, I couldn't believe it myself, and it is my own body. I guess when you see yourself everyday, it is much harder to see the changes because they are so gradual.
I'm not MtF, but just wondering, can I pass with longer hairs and makeup? I'm not on HRT, not sure about it yet.
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passing is a complex thing, face is only a part of it. Maybe not more than 30%.
Then there is voice (at least 40%), body language, style of expression, blending, mannerism.
imho, of course.
So it is very, very difficult, and at the same time useless, to tell you if you "pass" or if
you could pass, with only a photo of your face as a boy.
I can say that yes, you have a nice face and that with the CORRECT hair style, the CORRECT
make up, the CORRECT voice you would be a nice, pretty girl...
but now? Hard to tell.
Have you already tried to put on some female clothes? Also without going out? Are you
willing to test your female self?
Quote from: Skinny18 on October 01, 2013, 06:34:52 AM
I'm not MtF, but just wondering, can I pass with longer hairs and makeup? I'm not on HRT, not sure about it yet.
Appearance wise you could easily enough because you have rather delicate facial features to begin with, you have to give it time for the girlie stuff to work it's magic and it won't be rushed.
Quote from: tmarina on October 01, 2013, 08:03:29 AM
passing is a complex thing, face is only a part of it. Maybe not more than 30%.
Then there is voice (at least 40%), body language, style of expression, blending, mannerism.
imho, of course.
So it is very, very difficult, and at the same time useless, to tell you if you "pass" or if
you could pass, with only a photo of your face as a boy.
I can say that yes, you have a nice face and that with the CORRECT hair style, the CORRECT
make up, the CORRECT voice you would be a nice, pretty girl...
but now? Hard to tell.
Have you already tried to put on some female clothes? Also without going out? Are you
willing to test your female self?
I've tried, but it was so long time ago I barely remember. I'm thinking to do it for some personal fun. Never will be brave enough to be on public as female and I don't want it. Just curious if my face can pass.
Quote from: Shantel on October 01, 2013, 08:13:14 AM
Appearance wise you could easily enough because you have rather delicate facial features to begin with, you have to give it time for the girlie stuff to work it's magic and it won't be rushed.
Thanks. I'll try some makeup when will have long hair. Should be lot of fun.
Quote from: Skinny18 on October 01, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
I've tried, but it was so long time ago I barely remember. I'm thinking to do it for some personal fun. Never will be brave enough to be on public as female and I don't want it. Just curious if my face can pass.
Thanks. I'll try some makeup when will have long hair. Should be lot of fun.
sorry, but if you don't want to be public, why worry about "passing"? :laugh:
just be yourself in the safe haven of your home and be happy... O0
Skinny you have soft features which is good but there is a it of glare and you are tilting your head in a oblique profile which while great for killing facial rec applications also makes it a not so good picture.
I'd recommend finding your facial shape, pick a girly hair style based on said shape and shop eBay for a cheap wig or two and give it a test drive. You can find some nice cheap ones for around $20-$40 there. A little make up wouldn't hurt either and if you like andro then that might be your thing anyway. Trut me when I say that make up makes a huge difference in facial appearance.
Outside of that I think with what I can see of your body shape you would be cute in femme.
I know that I am having an eyebrow malfunction, and I will fix that VERY soon. but here are some recent pics.
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Quote from: Ксениа on October 02, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
I know that I am having an eyebrow malfunction, and I will fix that VERY soon. but here are some recent pics.
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Kasihnya, as I've said before, you are breathtaking. It amazes me how there are some women who have the ability to bring elation and a sense of sadness all at the same time! ;)
As a matter of curiosity, how did you choose the name Kasihnya? It's such an unusual name.
Quote from: Byron on October 02, 2013, 03:39:36 PM
Kasihnya, as I've said before, you are breathtaking. It amazes me how there are some women who have the ability to bring elation and a sense of sadness all at the same time! ;)
As a matter of curiosity, how did you choose the name Kasihnya? It's such an unusual name.
Thank you again hon. :) This girl is never going to be sad in life. If I feel this great now, imagine a year, two, and more from now. I still see some masculine features that I don't like but it goes with the territory. But I can see that I am very fortunate with my body and facial structure.
I work with a lot of International on J-1 an H2B visas so I hear a lot of great names. I heard the name from that. It stuck, I spelled it how I like, but soon will change it probably to a more traditional Russian or Ukrainian spelling of Ksenia or Ксениа. My name means Wanderer. I love the way it sounds. I wanted a name that was far from my name, but had the same number of syllables. I have people who have started calling me Kae, or Kasi now. :)
Hi guys, long-time lurker, first-time poster, all that stuff. I'm pre-everything, but given that I'm home alone all week, I'm pretty much living as I hope to do so soon enough. Got that first doctors appointment on Friday, which I'm seriously dreading, but I'm hoping all goes smoothly and I can come out to all the right people soon enough. :)
Anyway, do I have anything noticeably...uh...mannish about me? The hair's still growing and I'm only wearing the tiniest bit of lip gloss:
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Hi Michaela J. :)
You seem to have a good base to work from with a somewhat feminine face shape and build, I don't really see anything that awhile on HRT wouldn't remedy
I'd say that your chances are pretty good :)
Quote from: Michaela J. on October 02, 2013, 04:54:16 PM
Hi guys, long-time lurker, first-time poster, all that stuff. I'm pre-everything, but given that I'm home alone all week, I'm pretty much living as I hope to do so soon enough. Got that first doctors appointment on Friday, which I'm seriously dreading, but I'm hoping all goes smoothly and I can come out to all the right people soon enough. :)
Anyway, do I have anything noticeably...uh...mannish about me? The hair's still growing and I'm only wearing the tiniest bit of lip gloss:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2F2me3az8.jpg&hash=032e9e209e3d86cca5c36e4ecbda4c24bd4fccd0)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2zquh45.jpg&hash=ac398f3c42be4cbcd4e49a76d3df0c87b32a463b)
Hon, I think you have a better starting point than I do! I think you have a superb starting face. Lucky you! I remember when I was pre-HRT and I was searching high and low on the net for before and afters and I saw plenty of people, who I thought were really manly looking, morph and transform in-front of my eyes as the slides passed into these amazing beautiful women. I think...no I know you will be amazing. It wasn't too long ago that I was unsure!
Quote from: Ксениа on October 02, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
I know that I am having an eyebrow malfunction, and I will fix that VERY soon. but here are some recent pics.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2F1378004_10201277961686012_1526597819_n.jpg&hash=211c353698d97872e4d96700f9e726babbfb79d7) (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2F1383682_10201277955125848_1289661165_n-1.jpg&hash=0f9a6a9272821b294f830a7f5fe2962b1f201053)
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Holy Hera, girl! You've got legs for days!
Quote from: Kristal on October 02, 2013, 06:53:19 PM
Holy Hera, girl! You've got legs for days!
A lot of my girlfriends are telling me they wish they had my legs. :) The heels make them look super long.
Quote from: Ксениа on October 02, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Thank you again hon. :) This girl is never going to be sad in life. If I feel this great now, imagine a year, two, and more from now. I still see some masculine features that I don't like but it goes with the territory. But I can see that I am very fortunate with my body and facial structure.
I work with a lot of International on J-1 an H2B visas so I hear a lot of great names. I heard the name from that. It stuck, I spelled it how I like, but soon will change it probably to a more traditional Russian or Ukrainian spelling of Ksenia or Ксениа. My name means Wanderer. I love the way it sounds. I wanted a name that was far from my name, but had the same number of syllables. I have people who have started calling me Kae, or Kasi now. :)
Thanks for the explanation, that's a very interesting story on how you chose your name. The Russians should be honored!
Oh, and when I mentioned sadness, I was actually thinking about it from my perspective. A girl as pretty as you are is waaaay out of my league. There's no sadness at all in those photos! ;)
Quote from: Byron on October 02, 2013, 08:13:12 PM
Oh, and when I mentioned sadness, I was actually thinking about it from my perspective. A girl as pretty as you are is waaaay out of my league. There's no sadness at all in those photos! ;)
I know what you mean....
Quote from: Byron on October 02, 2013, 08:13:12 PM
Thanks for the explanation, that's a very interesting story on how you chose your name. The Russians should be honored!
Oh, and when I mentioned sadness, I was actually thinking about it from my perspective. A girl as pretty as you are is waaaay out of my league. There's no sadness at all in those photos! ;)
;) You really know how to make me blush! :) You are such a sweetheart. You may think that a certain girl is out of your league, but remember you can't judge a book by it's cover. She might be out of your league, you never know. :)
When ever I am dress, I feel like a woman who is like a woman, and not as a woman stuck in a mans life. So the only sadness you will see from me is when I have to go about my life as a guy when I get undressed and take the makeup off.
As for the name, before I wanted My name to be Aubrey Nichole H, but that was a long time ago.
Quote from: Ксениа on October 02, 2013, 08:26:25 PM
;) You really know how to make me blush! :) You are such a sweetheart. You may think that a certain girl is out of your league, but remember you can't judge a book by it's cover. She might be out of your league, you never know. :)
When ever I am dress, I feel like a woman who is like a woman, and not as a woman stuck in a mans life. So the only sadness you will see from me is when I have to go about my life as a guy when I get undressed and take the makeup off.
As for the name, before I wanted My name to be Aubrey Nichole H, but that was a long time ago.
Well, both are good names, so it works out either way. Thank you for the kind words. ;)
I was trying to set up my webcam tonight to talk to someone and decided to take a few pics of myself. I mostly present androgynously (these pictures are how I present normally). However my spouse tells me I'm starting to move to the female side of androgynous. I have to admit this is awesome to me and wanted to get your opinions. I think all I need is a feminine haircut/style, some plucked brows, and makeup/beard shadow cover, and I *might* be able to have a passable look.
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I like the second photo... your look is going to the female realm, without doubt. But it is important to practice full body. Do you have any picture of full body en femme?
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 03, 2013, 01:29:46 AM
I like the second photo... your look is going to the female realm, without doubt. But it is important to practice full body. Do you have any picture of full body en femme?
Thank you so much for your response!!
Well those pictures are how I currently present (as a male bodied person, albeit purposefully androgynous). I don't own any female clothing at all so it would be difficult to get a picture "en femme". I posted because I was just wondering, based on my current look, how much further I'd have to go to really look female.
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Been 10 month on HRT, i'm 21 btw.
Quote from: izumi on October 03, 2013, 03:16:56 AM
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Been 10 month on HRT, i'm 21 btw.
Very cute. The hair is a little much for my liking but if that's your style go for it.
Quote from: <3 on October 03, 2013, 04:14:33 AM
Very cute. The hair is a little much for my liking but if that's your style go for it.
+1
Very cute. 21 is a good age! But you totally should style that hair for a photo, it looks like you just fell out of bed ;D
Quote from: Just Kate on October 03, 2013, 12:06:07 AM
I was trying to set up my webcam tonight to talk to someone and decided to take a few pics of myself. I mostly present androgynously (these pictures are how I present normally). However my spouse tells me I'm starting to move to the female side of androgynous. I have to admit this is awesome to me and wanted to get your opinions. I think all I need is a feminine haircut/style, some plucked brows, and makeup/beard shadow cover, and I *might* be able to have a passable look.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi885.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac58%2Fautumnrain80%2F1_zps99230736.png&hash=022b9425e32d1be6acb7ce7066aa71fa405a87bb) (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/autumnrain80/media/1_zps99230736.png.html)
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I think your wife is right and your own personal assessment is about right on Kate. You have a nice shaped face and cute mouth, there is a lot of real positively female stuff there. Stick with it hon, don't be disheartened, you're looking good and will only get better in time under the influence of HRT. You may have a receding hairline so you will eventually want to talk to a hair stylist for suggestions of how to conceal and cover. Like your looks though!
Quote from: Carolina1983 on September 28, 2013, 09:52:30 AM
Omfg you are hot :o. Boymode? I would hit on you in a heartbeat and I am not even remotely into boys.
Thanks :)
Well it s a complicated story why it s boymode. Like I said earlier, some female friend of mine wanted to go to a club to some goth/industrial event with me. And well she kinda picked out the clothes(gave me mostly hers :P) and helped me with makeup and hair. Officially she doesn't know anything about my trans-situation :D . So in the end I kinda said if someone asked, that I was a boy. Which created alot of confusion for some ppl there and some were hesitant to believe it :P . Hearing things like "you don't look like a boy" ,"but you have boobs" or something like that. I used my guy voice, so that was kinda the only gaveaway. And some guy at the restroom also said one of us is wrong here xD. Well this female friend who suggested to go there and go like this, she kinda said a few months ago that " I should have been a girl" when we were both drunk. It d be rly interesting to know what she thinks about me :P
Hehe, chris29, you got read as a girl by that friend of yours ;)
Did I get that right that she dressed you up in HER clothes :P - thats great. :D
That said - goth parties are like that a bit - You not often see so many boys with more makeup than the girls and men wearing skirts and long hair and such ;) - It was my style some time post-op at parties (and I was even a party organizer myself)
Quote from: anjaq on October 03, 2013, 08:57:47 AM
Hehe, chris29, you got read as a girl by that friend of yours ;)
Did I get that right that she dressed you up in HER clothes :P - thats great. :D
That said - goth parties are like that a bit - You not often see so many boys with more makeup than the girls and men wearing skirts and long hair and such ;) - It was my style some time post-op at parties (and I was even a party organizer myself)
Yep, she said I should try these clothes of her and then insisted on me going with these clothes xD
Haha that's kinda true. I think some of them are really hot with their makeup and clothes. It s a shame that society ostrasizes men dressing like that. Meeting new people at goth parties seems to be much more interesting sometimes than at some "normal" party :D
I ache for the need to be 'read' as female, it happens so rarely and its always because Im not close up or im being seen from behind but it always makes me smile for hours afterwards.
I WANT to pass so much!
Allie
Quote from: Just Kate on October 03, 2013, 12:06:07 AM
I was trying to set up my webcam tonight to talk to someone and decided to take a few pics of myself. I mostly present androgynously (these pictures are how I present normally). However my spouse tells me I'm starting to move to the female side of androgynous. I have to admit this is awesome to me and wanted to get your opinions. I think all I need is a feminine haircut/style, some plucked brows, and makeup/beard shadow cover, and I *might* be able to have a passable look.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi885.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac58%2Fautumnrain80%2F1_zps99230736.png&hash=022b9425e32d1be6acb7ce7066aa71fa405a87bb) (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/autumnrain80/media/1_zps99230736.png.html)
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Amazing face, I am so jealous!
Quote from: Christine167 on October 01, 2013, 09:20:55 PM
Skinny you have soft features which is good but there is a it of glare and you are tilting your head in a oblique profile which while great for killing facial rec applications also makes it a not so good picture.
I'd recommend finding your facial shape, pick a girly hair style based on said shape and shop eBay for a cheap wig or two and give it a test drive. You can find some nice cheap ones for around $20-$40 there. A little make up wouldn't hurt either and if you like andro then that might be your thing anyway. Trut me when I say that make up makes a huge difference in facial appearance.
Outside of that I think with what I can see of your body shape you would be cute in femme.
Thanks. Yeah, plus losing weight should help as well. Goal is 7-8% (maybe 6-7%, will see) of body fat to give my face slim look with more noticeable facial features - to accenuate cheekbones, jaw, etc. I have ectomorph body, a copy of Pejics body, even same height. So, should be not a problem for the rest of my body, not just face. I'm bragging too much, sorry. :)
Quote from: Shantel on October 03, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
I think your wife is right and your own personal assessment is about right on Kate. You have a nice shaped face and cute mouth, there is a lot of real positively female stuff there. Stick with it hon, don't be disheartened, you're looking good and will only get better in time under the influence of HRT. You may have a receding hairline so you will eventually want to talk to a hair stylist for suggestions of how to conceal and cover. Like your looks though!
Thank you for your observations and compliments. This is me in boy mode currently. I am not on hormones because I cannot take them due to excessive clotting. If you remember a few months back, we talked about when you had to go off HRT due to clots. Well I was the person who told you that I can never go on HRT as a result. It sucks, but I make due.
As to my hair, it's all there. It never receded and I have no testosterone to make it worse.
I am thinking I might have to go get my hair professionally cut and style one weekend, then head over to my local MAC for a makeover and color selections so I know what works on my face. Guess I might have to pick up some clothes then too since I own no female clothing.
I don't have any plans to transition but if I can pass as female on boy mode) then you won't hear any complaints from me.
Quote from: Just Kate on October 03, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Thank you for your observations and compliments. This is me in boy mode currently. I am not on hormones because I cannot take them due to excessive clotting. If you remember a few months back, we talked about when you had to go off HRT due to clots. Well I was the person who told you that I can never go on HRT as a result. It sucks, but I make due.
As to my hair, it's all there. It never receded and I have no testosterone to make it worse.
I am thinking I might have to go get my hair professionally cut and style one weekend, then head over to my local MAC for a makeover and color selections so I know what works on my face. Guess I might have to pick up some clothes then too since I own no female clothing.
I don't have any plans to transition but if I can pass as female on boy mode) then you won't hear any complaints from me.
I recall that conversation Kate, the doc took me off the thinners and the endo put me back on a low dose patch since I normally don't have a clot problem but had done it to myself back then self medicating. Now I'm under an endocrinologist's supervision.
Yes, a good hair stylist will fix you up and you'll be such a doll!
Quote from: Just Kate on October 03, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Well I was the person who told you that I can never go on HRT as a result. It sucks, but I make due.
As to my hair, it's all there. It never receded and I have no testosterone to make it worse.
I don't have any plans to transition but if I can pass as female on boy mode) then you won't hear any complaints from me.
Haha yeah few MtFs would complain bout that.
I am curious though you cannot have HRT (at least not without co-medicating against clotting), but you also have no testosterone (did you have an orchi.?) - isnt that a bit of a medical problem to not have either? As in osteoroporosis etc...
Quote from: anjaq on October 03, 2013, 07:29:26 PM
Haha yeah few MtFs would complain bout that.
I am curious though you cannot have HRT (at least not without co-medicating against clotting), but you also have no testosterone (did you have an orchi.?) - isnt that a bit of a medical problem to not have either? As in osteoroporosis etc...
I cannot co-medicate against clotting the blood condition is so absurdly dangerous. Endrocrinologists (and I've talked to a few) won't touch me with a 10 ft pool. I had an orchi nearly 13 years ago. And yes, I am osteopenic at age 33 and taking bone meds. The ironic thing is, if I could just get on hormones again, it would help with my dysphoria, my back, bones, and my energy levels.
I'm seriously considering just taking a low dose on my own, but I'm really against self medicating.
Kate
Quote from: Ксениа on October 03, 2013, 09:15:07 AM
Amazing face, I am so jealous!
Thank you for the compliment, but don't be jealous. You look great and the lighting helps in my picture. ;)
Quote from: Just Kate on October 03, 2013, 07:51:46 PM
I cannot co-medicate against clotting the blood condition is so absurdly dangerous. Endrocrinologists (and I've talked to a few) won't touch me with a 10 ft pool. I had an orchi nearly 13 years ago. And yes, I am osteopenic at age 33 and taking bone meds. The ironic thing is, if I could just get on hormones again, it would help with my dysphoria, my back, bones, and my energy levels.
I'm seriously considering just taking a low dose on my own, but I'm really against self medicating.
Kate
Perhaps you should get a second opinion on your condition Kate, some of these endocrinologists and other medical doctor's are extremely conservative based on their fears of malpractice suits, just maybe you might find one that can interpret things in a realistically more positive light. The worst thing we can do is just lie down and take it if there's a chance that what is being said is not correct and is driven by their own fears of a different origin.
Quote from: Shantel on October 03, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
Perhaps you should get a second opinion on your condition Kate, some of these endocrinologists and other medical doctor's are extremely conservative based on their fears of malpractice suits, just maybe you might find one that can interpret things in a realistically more positive light. The worst thing we can do is just lie down and take it if there's a chance that what is being said is not correct and is driven by their own fears of a different origin.
Well, I've been dealing with 3 endos so far - 2 of which have dealt with trans issues. I haven't given up and my family doctor is helping me look, but it has been very difficult so far.
Just Kate there is a lot that can be done for clotting. I agree that you should see a primary care physician and have them refer you to a specialist. They can work with your endo to keep that in check while you start HRT.
And it's funny that blood thinners would have a negative effect on clotting... We use them to break up clots and dissolve them in vascular & stroke patients. There are also devices that can be installed to limit some of the risk. An IVC filter can cut the pulmonary embolism risk down a bit.
Quote from: Skinny18 on October 03, 2013, 10:14:20 AM
Thanks. Yeah, plus losing weight should help as well. Goal is 7-8% (maybe 6-7%, will see) of body fat to give my face slim look with more noticeable facial features - to accenuate cheekbones, jaw, etc. I have ectomorph body, a copy of Pejics body, even same height. So, should be not a problem for the rest of my body, not just face. I'm bragging too much, sorry. :)
Not bragging at all. Sometimes you just want to run the plan out loud and see if it sounds as good there as it does in your own head. And I know about being ectomorph. Freakishly tall and skinny all my life and so are a lot of other mtfs. Once you get past the height though we are quite cute :)
Quote from: Christine167 on October 04, 2013, 04:50:56 AM
Just Kate there is a lot that can be done for clotting. I agree that you should see a primary care physician and have them refer you to a specialist. They can work with your endo to keep that in check while you start HRT.
And it's funny that blood thinners would have a negative effect on clotting... We use them to break up clots and dissolve them in vascular & stroke patients. There are also devices that can be installed to limit some of the risk. An IVC filter can cut the pulmonary embolism risk down a bit.
My primary care doctor has been hunting down specialists go me and each of them so far has turned her down. She even asked a personal favor from a friend of hers who is an endo and he flat out told her no way once he heard I have Protein S - said it was just too dangerous.
I hope eventually someone will take a chance on me. I'm not overweight, i exercise regularly, never done drugs, don't smoke, and have only had 4 sips of alcohol in my lifetime.
I keep seaching but its a bit demoralizing. It's why I'm trying to figure out how I could pass without hormones.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7im83NGKSQI/Uk74CmcOjtI/AAAAAAAAAkA/dIOtvjQj3Dc/w983-h553-no/20131004_181723.jpg
new pic of me
@Kate, I am in a similar situation as you...at my late age I knew going into my search that it would be too risky to get on estrogen re the clotting issue. Spiro created a high reading on my kidneys, saw a specialist, test were okay. beside my gender GP I kept my regular GP in the loop. In August saw my Endo & all three Doctors (my regular GP, kidney specialist & Endo concurred estrogen was too risky. Gave it my best shot, it was a let down but I had always considered the reality would be a no go, so not a shock, I can accept no hrt. It isn't the end of the road for this girl. I agree with my Endo & gender Doctor that I can still live the rest of my life when I can be Jamie (about 80% of the time) dressing in my femme fashions & with make up, mostly passable. I am always Happy in my natural female mode as who I am. There are ways to create boobage without silicone breastforms. So embrace & love the Beautiful you that you can be for the rest of your life. Your face is very female, so no worries about passable. The goal is to blend in, doesn't draw awkward attention & no one cares, people around you & walking by wrapped up in their life just see you as a lady drifting by on crossing each other on their path to where they need to go. Think of all the money you saved by not having to spend thousands of $'s on transition Now with those saved $'s get out shopping and get the Lady dressed! Oh, and yes, I am a MAC girl!
Cheers!
Jamie
Cheers
So... I've posted with makeup, feeling pretty, but I'm wondering...
My wonderful girlfriend tells me that my face already looks quite feminine, and that I don't have anything to worry about... but then, she's biased because she loves me. ;)
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to give a critical assessment to my facial structure... so here goes:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi888.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac84%2Fwriterrobinmack%2FIMG_5447_zps9bf545e8.jpg&hash=a0985c532cf87f80468f4162409a854ed4b67827) (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/writerrobinmack/media/IMG_5447_zps9bf545e8.jpg.html)
That's the blank canvas. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated!
Quote from: robinmack on October 04, 2013, 03:20:07 PM
So... I've posted with makeup, feeling pretty, but I'm wondering...
My wonderful girlfriend tells me that my face already looks quite feminine, and that I don't have anything to worry about... but then, she's biased because she loves me. ;)
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to give a critical assessment to my facial structure... so here goes:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi888.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac84%2Fwriterrobinmack%2FIMG_5447_zps9bf545e8.jpg&hash=a0985c532cf87f80468f4162409a854ed4b67827) (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/writerrobinmack/media/IMG_5447_zps9bf545e8.jpg.html)
That's the blank canvas. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated!
Hold your eyes open a little more, slightly force your eyebrows raise a little and keep practicing it! Buy yourself a nice wig and do some brow tweezin. Other than that, she isn't biased. You have a nice round face it's not too overly masculine.
Quote from: Just Kate on October 03, 2013, 12:06:07 AM
I was trying to set up my webcam tonight to talk to someone and decided to take a few pics of myself. I mostly present androgynously (these pictures are how I present normally). However my spouse tells me I'm starting to move to the female side of androgynous. I have to admit this is awesome to me and wanted to get your opinions. I think all I need is a feminine haircut/style, some plucked brows, and makeup/beard shadow cover, and I *might* be able to have a passable look.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi885.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac58%2Fautumnrain80%2F1_zps99230736.png&hash=022b9425e32d1be6acb7ce7066aa71fa405a87bb) (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/autumnrain80/media/1_zps99230736.png.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi885.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac58%2Fautumnrain80%2F2_zps60139a5e.png&hash=99fa18c1b36e60e37d4d4c987911f969d256c115) (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/autumnrain80/media/2_zps60139a5e.png.html)
Tweeze your eyebrows and you'll look absolutely gorgeous. Seriously. You are friggin booootifal.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 04, 2013, 05:31:27 PM
Tweeze your eyebrows and you'll look absolutely gorgeous. Seriously. You are friggin booootifal.
Yeah I think so too!
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on October 04, 2013, 09:00:43 PM
*confusing time* what would you all gender me if you saw me on the streets (vid i made for a friend)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpqg3UOajqY
Can go either way, at first impression I think girl. Heck, in general I kinda think girl.
Looks and sounds girl to me :)
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 04, 2013, 05:31:27 PM
Tweeze your eyebrows and you'll look absolutely gorgeous. Seriously. You are friggin booootifal.
Thank you so much! I'd love to do it. I wonder if I can get away with it without people thinking I'm transitioning. ;) Maybe I should look up some guides on how to do it in such a way so my eyebrows can be more androgynous.
Quote from: Just Kate on October 04, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Thank you so much! I'd love to do it. I wonder if I can get away with it without people thinking I'm transitioning. ;) Maybe I should look up some guides on how to do it in such a way so my eyebrows can be more androgynous.
I'm not out at work yet, so what I've been doing is shaping and tweezing bit by bit, partly so I don't make a mistake, and partly so it's a gradual process that people can get used to and so that I don't go too far. You look great in the pic, you're lucky to have delicate features :)
Quote from: Just Kate on October 04, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Thank you so much! I'd love to do it. I wonder if I can get away with it without people thinking I'm transitioning. ;) Maybe I should look up some guides on how to do it in such a way so my eyebrows can be more androgynous.
Nobody will think you are transitioning. I can pretty close to guarantee it. They might think you're a gay man. Or discovering your inner metrosexual. Or you're just weird. But transitioning is the last thing on cisgender people's mind.
Quote from: <3 on October 05, 2013, 12:57:05 AM
Nobody will think you are transitioning. I can pretty close to guarantee it. They might think you're a gay man. Or discovering your inner metrosexual. Or you're just weird. But transitioning is the last thing on cisgender people's mind.
Well I'm out at work. They all know I am transgendered. It wouldn't be too big of a leap I imagine. ;)
Quote from: Andaya on October 04, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
I'm not out at work yet, so what I've been doing is shaping and tweezing bit by bit, partly so I don't make a mistake, and partly so it's a gradual process that people can get used to and so that I don't go too far. You look great in the pic, you're lucky to have delicate features :)
That's a good idea doing it gradually so it isn't so dramatic. I just need to learn how to do it gradually. ;)
Thanks for your compliments.
Quote from: Just Kate on October 05, 2013, 01:43:19 AM
Well I'm out at work. They all know I am transgendered. It wouldn't be too big of a leap I imagine. ;)
They know you are transgender? Then why are you worried that they think you are transitioning? Am I missing something?
Quote from: <3 on October 05, 2013, 02:21:35 AM
They know you are transgender? Then why are you worried that they think you are transitioning? Am I missing something?
Well they specifically know I am NOT transitioning. I don't want to give anyone the impression I am when I am not.
Quote from: Just Kate on October 05, 2013, 02:39:58 AM
Well they specifically know I am NOT transitioning. I don't want to give anyone the impression I am when I am not.
I still don't quite get it but that's okay, I don't want to sidetrack this thread too much more. :D
Hello. My name is Mortified_Penguin and I am new to this forum
I actually had two questions, and I was hoping the community might be able to answer
My first question is, could I hope to pass as a girl?
I am 18 years old. I am 5 foot 9 inches tall, and weigh roughly 130 lbs. I wear mens small of medium, US size 28 jeans, and US mens size 9 or 10 shoes
Here is a picture to help
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/s720x720/1384073_528391473907495_622521538_n.jpg)
(Pardon the acne: I have been having problem getting rid of it. I also have only been growing out my hair for a month now and I have yet to start any kind of HRT)
My second question is, Am I really a transsexual?
I first knew what a sex change was when I was between 11 and 12 years old, before i even knew what girls looked like under their clothes. Since then, I had this feeling that it would be really good to be a girl, but I never felt the unstoppable need to be a girl, partially due to being treated well by my family, not making a lot of my own decisions, and having never dated.
One thing that concerns me is my sexual fantasies, which I have had for many years. Most often, my sexual fantasies have consisted of sexual acts between two women, with myself being one of those women. This leaves me feeling guilty, for I fear my desire to be a girl is nothing more than sexual repression or something like that.
Only this July did the feelings get much much more powerful: I had to be a girl, it seemed. I have come out to a number of my friends about my feelings, and all so far have been quite supportive of my decision, whatever it might be. However, my parents continue to believe that I am simply confused, and that the idea of me being a girl is completely ridiculous and ludicrous. this leaves me scared that I am only confused, but what kind of man would want to be a woman anyway?
please reply and thank you very much
-Mortified_Penguin
The answer to your first question is a reserved yes
You have big expressive eyes, nicely shaped brows (assuming you havent already shaped them!)
Great sensuous lips for a male
Your facial shape works well I think too, my jaw is a little too strong which bothers me lots.
Your second question is a little harder but I think the obvious reply is that you should think about seeing a therapist, someone experienced in these matters and capable of helping you form and reach your OWN conclusions rather than those that others (including well meaning parents) might try to steer us towards.
The simple fact that you have these needs and thoughts in your head suggest to me that you should seek out help.
Confusion is VERY normal in this situation.
Ahhh, so young :).
From your photo, there's little that could stop you from passing, although a tracheal shave might be desired. But this is the least of your concerns...
Are you really transgender? Nobody here can tell you that... The answer has to come from within. I highly recommend finding a gender therapist or therapist with gender related experience. A good therapist is easily worth their weight in gold. :)
Best of luck with everything!
yes, you can easily pass. but this is not a good news. Most of men can pass,
unless they are very, very masculine, but they are a minority.
You could pass as a natal female, yes, your face is already a bit feminine, you
read androgynous now
The bad news is that this adds confusion to yourself, because your body is
clearly indicating to you that it has not decided where to go. But is this a confusion
because of the body of because of your inner self? This is hard to find.
Have you come out to anyone? Brothers? Sisters? Do you have someone whom you can
entirely trust?
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 05, 2013, 07:03:11 AM
your body is clearly indicating to you that it has not decided where to go.
Might be best to state that this is your own opinion and doesn't really have medical precedence.
oh, yes. totally imho.
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 05, 2013, 07:03:11 AM
Have you come out to anyone? Brothers? Sisters? Do you have someone whom you can
entirely trust?
To Marina mtf,
As of now, I have come out to
my parents (but no one else in the family),
my counselor (she works for a business called Rainbow's End Counseling, so I can't say for sure if she is a licensed therapist or not),
and 2 of my closest friends (both girls, ages 18 and 16: my only real friends have been girls)
my town of 12,000 does not have a licensed gender therapist, so I am still working on finding a psychiatrist/psychologist that understand gender issues
Quote from: Mortified_Penguin on October 05, 2013, 10:30:06 AM
To Marina mtf,
As of now, I have come out to
my parents (but no one else in the family),
my counselor (she works for a business called Rainbow's End Counseling, so I can't say for sure if she is a licensed therapist or not),
and 2 of my closest friends (both girls, ages 18 and 16: my only real friends have been girls)
my town of 12,000 does not have a licensed gender therapist, so I am still working on finding a psychiatrist/psychologist that understand gender issues
This is entirely opinion based, but I'm going to give this a shot. You might be transgendered, but transsexual might NOT be where you'd want to go in your situation. See a therapist when you can.
You might be someone who is attracted to themselves in the idea of being female, again, opinion not fact. A lot of people seem to turn out to be this way, but again, opinions.
So what you REALLY need to do is find someone who can be able to tell you the completely blatant truth about your situation because going in on this based off of a sexual appeal is VERY dangerous and can potentially ruin your life. Literally.
Quote from: Mortified_Penguin on October 05, 2013, 04:48:01 AM
Hello. My name is Mortified_Penguin and I am new to this forum
I actually had two questions, and I was hoping the community might be able to answer
My first question is, could I hope to pass as a girl?
I am 18 years old. I am 5 foot 9 inches tall, and weigh roughly 130 lbs. I wear mens small of medium, US size 28 jeans, and US mens size 9 or 10 shoes
Here is a picture to help
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/s720x720/1384073_528391473907495_622521538_n.jpg)
(Pardon the acne: I have been having problem getting rid of it. I also have only been growing out my hair for a month now and I have yet to start any kind of HRT)
My second question is, Am I really a transsexual?
I first knew what a sex change was when I was between 11 and 12 years old, before i even knew what girls looked like under their clothes. Since then, I had this feeling that it would be really good to be a girl, but I never felt the unstoppable need to be a girl, partially due to being treated well by my family, not making a lot of my own decisions, and having never dated.
One thing that concerns me is my sexual fantasies, which I have had for many years. Most often, my sexual fantasies have consisted of sexual acts between two women, with myself being one of those women. This leaves me feeling guilty, for I fear my desire to be a girl is nothing more than sexual repression or something like that.
Only this July did the feelings get much much more powerful: I had to be a girl, it seemed. I have come out to a number of my friends about my feelings, and all so far have been quite supportive of my decision, whatever it might be. However, my parents continue to believe that I am simply confused, and that the idea of me being a girl is completely ridiculous and ludicrous. this leaves me scared that I am only confused, but what kind of man would want to be a woman anyway?
please reply and thank you very much
-Mortified_Penguin
Penguin,
If you fall on the transgender spectrum, and where you fall on it, are questions only you can decide.
In my experience, people who do not sense gender dysphoria rarely ask themslves questions like you are asking. Your self-awareness is a clue.
You are right to seek out some guidance and counseling.
As for "passing," take a look at the "Before & After" picture topic. The transformations are sort of amazing.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 05, 2013, 11:04:35 AM
This is entirely opinion based, but I'm going to give this a shot. You might be transgendered, but transsexual might NOT be where you'd want to go in your situation. See a therapist when you can.
You might be someone experiencing ->-bleeped-<-, again, opinion not fact. ->-bleeped-<- is when a man would be attracted to seeing themselves as women, usually due to a very potent attraction to the female body. A LOT of people seem to turn out to be this, but again, opinions.
So what you REALLY need to do is find someone who can be able to tell you the completely blatant truth about your situation because going in on this based off of a sexual appeal is VERY dangerous and can potentially ruin your life. Literally.
I will note my experience with my sexuality in case it helps. For me seeing myself in my ideal body and being treated as such by a woman actually changed my physical sexual body response to stimulation. Part of this requires near-elimination of erection to get past the male-type response. I went from avoiding even thinking about sex because stimulation was so boring and unnatural to a true awakening of my sexual response. Finding out what my body and mind were capable of BEFORE hormones was actually the LAST piece of the puzzle that set me on my current path.
I also feel that the emotional part of a female-female bond is often unique.
Quote from: Violet Bloom on October 05, 2013, 11:25:48 AM
I will note my experience with my sexuality in case it helps. For me seeing myself in my ideal body and being treated as such by a woman actually changed my physical sexual body response to stimulation. Part of this requires near-elimination of erection to get past the male-type response. I went from avoiding even thinking about sex because stimulation was so boring and unnatural to a true awakening of my sexual response. Finding out what my body and mind were capable of BEFORE hormones was actually the LAST piece of the puzzle that set me on my current path.
I also feel that the emotional part of a female-female bond is often unique.
Yes, I know of this. owo;
I've always felt detached from my bits I've never done anything with them really.
But what's this for? xD
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 05, 2013, 11:28:24 AM
Yes, I know of this. owo;
I've always felt detached from my bits I've never done anything with them really.
But what's this for? xD
I always assumed it was a hand-crank for when you're having trouble getting the engine started:
http://youtu.be/cDqPuzC1SJE (http://youtu.be/cDqPuzC1SJE)
Much like a vintage car it's tempermental and requires everything to be setup just right. That guy in the video seemed to 'get off' on it, but as for the car, I think the ol' girl is just along for the ride. ;D
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 05, 2013, 11:04:35 AM
You might be someone who is attracted to themselves in the idea of being female, again, opinion not fact. A lot of people seem to turn out to be this way, but again, opinions.
So what you REALLY need to do is find someone who can be able to tell you the completely blatant truth about your situation because going in on this based off of a sexual appeal is VERY dangerous and can potentially ruin your life. Literally.
This is so important to understand and get to the root of and was of real concern for me too...
I too sexually fantasised about being a woman after puberty. My intuition told me that this was more to do with the vast quantities of T roaming around than anything else. I was already aware that I wanted to be a girl pre-puberty. So I tried to ignore and break my post-puberty male sexuality for years as I got older, both because I hated performing the act as a male, and to try and find clarity that I thought a lack of sexuality brings. Sadly even after years I never broke it, and that felt somewhat awful too, feeling like a slave to my anatomy. While I could perform the act as male, it hurt emotionally every time making me feel wrong and horrible to my core. That feeling never left me, and was the proof ( to me ) that this wasn't just some sexual thing. Well that and all the copious amounts of non-sexual cues that happened pre and post-puberty :).
Still, important stuff.
Quote from: SammyRose on October 05, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
This is so important to understand and get to the root of and was of real concern for me too...
I too sexually fantasised about being a woman after puberty. My intuition told me that this was more to do with the vast quantities of T roaming around than anything else. I was already aware that I wanted to be a girl pre-puberty. So I tried to ignore and break my post-puberty male sexuality for years as I got older, both because I hated performing the act as a male, and to try and find clarity that I thought a lack of sexuality brings. Sadly even after years I never broke it, and that felt somewhat awful too, feeling like a slave to my anatomy. While I could perform the act as male, it hurt emotionally every time making me feel wrong and horrible to my core. That feeling never left me, and was the proof ( to me ) that this wasn't just some sexual thing. Well that and all the copious amounts of non-sexual cues that happened pre and post-puberty :).
Still, important stuff.
That's no discredit to someone being trans at all, but it alone does not make someone a transsexual candidate as it can potentially bite them in the butt later. I'm sure it can happen that a transsexual can be dysphoric of their gender AND find it appealing that they would become that gender, it's not really THAT exclusive but you need to be absolutely sure of your intentions in every way.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 05, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
That's no discredit to someone being trans at all, but it alone does not make someone a transsexual candidate as it can potentially bite them in the butt later. I'm sure it can happen that a transsexual can be dysphoric of their gender AND find it appealing that they would become that gender, it's not really THAT exclusive but you need to be absolutely sure of your intentions in every way.
Without doubt... Perhaps that is the first real difficult hurdle to overcome, especially for those so young.
Again, gender therapists!! :)
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 05, 2013, 11:04:35 AM
You might be transgendered, but transsexual might NOT be where you'd want to go in your situation. .....
You might be someone who is attracted to themselves in the idea of being female, again, opinion not fact. A lot of people seem to turn out to be this way, but again, opinions.
....going in on this based off of a sexual appeal is VERY dangerous and can potentially ruin your life. Literally.
I would say that this definitely falls under the transgender umbrella, if TS or not - needs more personal exploration and prob. a gender therapist can help a lot.
I am not sure where you go with that a lot of people turn out "this way" an I suppose you talk about autogyaephilia there as well??? That warning seems to be a bit strong in response to the post - do you have experiences with these dangers, like in people you know?
Quote from: SammyRose on October 05, 2013, 04:34:55 PM
Without doubt... Perhaps that is the first real difficult hurdle to overcome, especially for those so young.
Again, gender therapists!! :)
Well 100% sure , i think that is impossible but to look at some steps to explore what is behind it and what may be the goal is good. Reversible things always are good to start with.
Re the passing question, I think it looks quite good. I love your large eyes, they are a great asset :)
Quote from: Violet Bloom on October 05, 2013, 02:18:50 PM
I always assumed it was a hand-crank for when you're having trouble getting the engine started:
Much like a vintage car it's temperamental and requires everything to be setup just right. That guy in the video seemed to 'get off' on it, but as for the car, I think the ol' girl is just along for the ride. ;D
Very good. That made me laugh.
Quote from: anjaq on October 05, 2013, 05:26:19 PM
I would say that this definitely falls under the transgender umbrella, if TS or not - needs more personal exploration and prob. a gender therapist can help a lot.
I am not sure where you go with that a lot of people turn out "this way" an I suppose you talk about autogyaephilia there as well??? That warning seems to be a bit strong in response to the post - do you have experiences with these dangers, like in people you know?
Well 100% sure , i think that is impossible but to look at some steps to explore what is behind it and what may be the goal is good. Reversible things always are good to start with.
Re the passing question, I think it looks quite good. I love your large eyes, they are a great asset :)
When I say turn out this way, it's not like they are suddenly like that, sorry about the wording but I was NOT saying that this particular person was or is ->-bleeped-<-, I was saying there IS a possibility that they COULD be interested in a sexually arousing aspect of it towards them selves. SOLELY stating a possibility and in NO way saying that is what they were. I was mainly making that statement to stress that there is a large need for people with these issues to see a therapist. This change is NOT a joke and can cause people without the dysphoria to have an EVEN GREATER dysphoria that could have been avoided.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 05, 2013, 06:01:54 PM
I was mainly making that statement to stress that there is a large need for people with these issues to see a therapist. This change is NOT a joke and can cause people without the dysphoria to have an EVEN GREATER dysphoria that could have been avoided.
Yes i agree on that - no rushing into it ;)
Always step by step and when in doubt ask someone you trust.
Anyways - this thread is on passing and pictures - "Am i trans" - questions should probably better go in a different thread :police:
what a wonderfull pics Sisters !
i'm just a very ugly wannabee stay indoor pretend to look like a woman :'(
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg818.imageshack.us%2Fimg818%2F3334%2Fafg2.jpg&hash=b107a70bf6d43f998e32bca13b6dce752645d967)
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 04:56:39 AM
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg818.imageshack.us%2Fimg818%2F3334%2Fafg2.jpg&hash=b107a70bf6d43f998e32bca13b6dce752645d967)
Pfffft
Girl, you are going to peg the cute-o-meter ::)
Looking cute Paige. :)
i'm starting to give up on trying to be a lady... i cant compete with all of you gorgeous sisters !
Here is a couple of pictures i did last night ( first time makeup :embarrassed: ) . The first one is for reference, it was taken 6 month ago.
Tell me what you think :).
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg822.imageshack.us%2Fimg822%2F2484%2F8iwm.jpg&hash=f5730d51d4996b39e250dcd7040081ba66f7a940) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/8iwm.jpg/)
Paige0000 : You look very pretty !
Quote from: FrozenValkyrie on October 07, 2013, 05:51:57 AM
Here is a couple of pictures i did last night ( first time makeup :embarrassed: ) . The first one is for reference, it was taken 6 month ago.
Tell me what you think :).
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg822.imageshack.us%2Fimg822%2F2484%2F8iwm.jpg&hash=f5730d51d4996b39e250dcd7040081ba66f7a940) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/8iwm.jpg/)
Paige0000 : You look very pretty !
very cute!
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 04:56:39 AM
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg818.imageshack.us%2Fimg818%2F3334%2Fafg2.jpg&hash=b107a70bf6d43f998e32bca13b6dce752645d967)
Very attractive and feminine, I especially like your choice in dresses it works nicely for you!
Quote from: FrozenValkyrie on October 07, 2013, 05:51:57 AM
Here is a couple of pictures i did last night ( first time makeup :embarrassed: ) . The first one is for reference, it was taken 6 month ago.
Tell me what you think :).
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg822.imageshack.us%2Fimg822%2F2484%2F8iwm.jpg&hash=f5730d51d4996b39e250dcd7040081ba66f7a940) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/8iwm.jpg/)
Paige0000 : You look very pretty !
The first and last photo's are like night and day!
Quote from: FrozenValkyrie on October 07, 2013, 05:51:57 AM
Here is a couple of pictures i did last night ( first time makeup :embarrassed: ) . The first one is for reference, it was taken 6 month ago.
Tell me what you think :).
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg822.imageshack.us%2Fimg822%2F2484%2F8iwm.jpg&hash=f5730d51d4996b39e250dcd7040081ba66f7a940) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/8iwm.jpg/)
Paige0000 : You look very pretty !
Naw thank you :)
And I must say the difference from the first to last shot is unbelieveable! You look beautiful hunny
Auntie Shan: Really you think so, I mean I don't see it fully yet but it's great to hear that you wonderful ladies think so :). And I know I'm very picky when it comes to my wear, I prefer mid range to deep pigmented colours that work best with my body structure. Light coloured clothing feels to flashy for me and don't hold enough contrast to my skin.
Ravenmoon: Hehe well I don't want to jump the gun yet but I feel like I'm coming along fairly well :).
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
Auntie Shan: Really you think so, I mean I don't see it fully yet but it's great to hear that you wonderful ladies think so :). And I know I'm very picky when it comes to my wear, I prefer mid range to deep pigmented colours that work best with my body structure. Light coloured clothing feels to flashy for me and don't hold enough contrast to my skin.
I wouldn't have said so otherwise Paige, think you have good taste in style too! You're going to have to believe in yourself and spread your wings.
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 04:56:39 AM
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg818.imageshack.us%2Fimg818%2F3334%2Fafg2.jpg&hash=b107a70bf6d43f998e32bca13b6dce752645d967)
You more than pass you look all women
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
Ravenmoon: Hehe well I don't want to jump the gun yet but I feel like I'm coming along fairly well :).
I wouldn't be able to tell if I ran into you somewhere. ;D You are very pretty!
<3, Shantel and Paige0000 : Thank you, your response give me hope.
Do you think i will be able to pass someday because i am 6'6 and and 230 pound of muscle?
Quote from: FrozenValkyrie on October 08, 2013, 05:13:34 AM
<3, Shantel and Paige0000 : Thank you, your response give me hope.
Do you think i will be able to pass someday because i am 6'6 and and 230 pound of muscle?
Well hun muscle can always be reduced not only by hormones but by diet and changes in your exercise routine, heck just a year ago my torso was very bulky but has lessen considerably now. I've overall already dropped around 15lbs of muscle mass alone. Height wise is obviously a different issue as it can't really be changed (mabye an inch or 2 but that's it) but being tall should be seen as a bad thing in my eyes. Your just an Amazonian that's all :), and I've seen countless women of considerable height that are just as if not more attractive than women of lesser stature. I personally believe you will defiantly be able to pass someday, heck your already pretty close as it is ;)
xx
Yup! I used to wear L size clothes and mostly because of my shoulders/upper torso. I never thought about myself as being big, but my friends recently confirmed that I was quite broad-shouldered and now, when the muscle has gone away, it gets apparent. I still have a couple of warm padded L size windbreakers (and because they are padded they dont fold up on me the moment I put them on), and I look kinda bulked up by them (and I did fill them in completely a year ago), but the moment I take them off, I look like a skinny guy/andro-girl in hoodie with bony shoulders and such ;). And I still have some upper body mass to go away... I posted a couple of pics in Before-After thread yesterday, so You can take a look if You wish (the guy before was somewhere within 82-84 kg range) - the girl is 69 kg now :).
I met a woman recently that was 6'3"! She was cute too! She was almost a foot taller than me. So they do exist.
I had never seen a woman that tall before, though I used to live with one who was 6". ;)
I am 5'9" and at the moment I am in the same room with two women taller than me. I have also seen women much taller than me and quite broad-shouldered - as long as they dont looked overly bulky they just sent that sportswoman's vibe being probably into basketball, volleyball or competition swimming :)
Paige0000: Amazon hum i would like to be one :)
-Emily- : I just saw you before/after you lose a lot a mass, you look very feminine now ! It take how much time to see a difference when you start HRT?
I live in France and i'm taller than 98% of the person so i think it will look strange for some person even if i pass as female. But i am happy to be tall beacause i have long leg ;D.
Quote from: FrozenValkyrie on October 08, 2013, 05:13:34 AM
<3, Shantel and Paige0000 : Thank you, your response give me hope.
Do you think i will be able to pass someday because i am 6'6 and and 230 pound of muscle?
6'4" here, about 200 (at least I'm slender)... no real problems as long as I'm in flats. In heels I have to be *spot on* to pass up close, but that should become easier after some HRT.
The big change came for me when I realized that it didn't matter if I passed or not... sure it would be great, but the woman I'd been hiding all my life *had* to get out.
Alright,
I just saw how my comments derailed this topic. I originally posted my questions on a separate topic altogether, before my post was combined with this topic:for said derailment, I apologize.
Therefore, I will try to post my question again. Hopefully, this time, it wont cause the conversation to go too off-topic.
My name is Mortified_Penguin.
I was wondering if I could hope to pass as female.
I am 18 years old. I am 5 foot 9 inches tall, and weigh about 130 lbs. I wear a mens small or medium shirt, size 28 jeans (still somewhat loose), and between US Mens size 9 and 10 shoes.
here is a picture to give you all a better idea:
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q82/s720x720/1378179_529834057096570_987387498_n.jpg)
(pardon the redness, I've been trying to deal with it. I've also only been growing out my hair since this July (3 months) and have not yet been on any kind of HRT
Please reply,
thank you all very much
Quote from: Mortified_Penguin on October 08, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
Alright,
I just saw how my comments derailed this topic. I originally posted my questions on a separate topic altogether, before my post was combined with this topic:for said derailment, I apologize.
Therefore, I will try to post my question again. Hopefully, this time, it wont cause the conversation to go too off-topic.
My name is Mortified_Penguin.
I was wondering if I could hope to pass as female.
I am 18 years old. I am 5 foot 9 inches tall, and weigh about 130 lbs. I wear a mens small or medium shirt, size 28 jeans (still somewhat loose), and between US Mens size 9 and 10 shoes.
here is a picture to give you all a better idea:
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q82/s720x720/1378179_529834057096570_987387498_n.jpg)
(pardon the redness, I've been trying to deal with it. I've also only been growing out my hair since this July (3 months) and have not yet been on any kind of HRT
Please reply,
thank you all very much
It didn't derail anything, you received answers.
Yes, you can pass as female- do not disregard your intentions. See a gender therapist, it's crucial.
On the note of how you look, you have a very bulky brow ridge and a thick nose, both of which might change a tad on HRT and aside from those, you have a nice face shape. With HRT you could pass almost certainly as female in regards to your face.
Coming out day is on Friday, and I'm thinking of starting to present in public.
Do you think it'll work?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2F4Lm1z.png&hash=418b67138039f18b4b110e6f0daa6a66fcaba819)
I'm not expecting to pass right away, if only because I get very nervous trying to use my voice in public. I get addressed as "miss" a lot by strangers and over the phone, though.
Quote from: badsamaritan on October 08, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
Coming out day is on Friday, and I'm thinking of starting to present in public.
Do you think it'll work?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2F4Lm1z.png&hash=418b67138039f18b4b110e6f0daa6a66fcaba819)
I'm not expecting to pass right away, if only because I get very nervous trying to use my voice in public. I get addressed as "miss" a lot by strangers and over the phone, though.
Honestly I had to check which forum I was in for a moment because all I could see was a girl in that picture. I was worried for a second that I was in the FTM forum. You absolutely will pass with flying colors :)
Quote from: badsamaritan on October 08, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
Coming out day is on Friday, and I'm thinking of starting to present in public.
Do you think it'll work?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2F4Lm1z.png&hash=418b67138039f18b4b110e6f0daa6a66fcaba819)
I'm not expecting to pass right away, if only because I get very nervous trying to use my voice in public. I get addressed as "miss" a lot by strangers and over the phone, though.
Holy frak, you look almost exactly like me. o_o
You just have much lighter eyebrows.
Quote from: badsamaritan on October 08, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
Coming out day is on Friday, and I'm thinking of starting to present in public.
Do you think it'll work?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2F4Lm1z.png&hash=418b67138039f18b4b110e6f0daa6a66fcaba819)
I'm not expecting to pass right away, if only because I get very nervous trying to use my voice in public. I get addressed as "miss" a lot by strangers and over the phone, though.
You have lovely features! You should have no problem.
Ah, to be young and pretty...
Quote from: badsamaritan on October 08, 2013, 09:59:58 PM
Coming out day is on Friday, and I'm thinking of starting to present in public.
Do you think it'll work?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2F4Lm1z.png&hash=418b67138039f18b4b110e6f0daa6a66fcaba819)
I'm not expecting to pass right away, if only because I get very nervous trying to use my voice in public. I get addressed as "miss" a lot by strangers and over the phone, though.
You sure you're not cis? I kid, I kid... You look absolutely lovely, I'm certain you'll do well.
Quote from: FrozenValkyrie on October 08, 2013, 07:07:38 AM
-Emily- : I just saw you before/after you lose a lot a mass, you look very feminine now ! It take how much time to see a difference when you start HRT?
I live in France and i'm taller than 98% of the person so i think it will look strange for some person even if i pass as female. But i am happy to be tall beacause i have long leg ;D.
Long legs are nice and are a valuable asset for sure (another long legged chick here :). Hey, on my Before pic, which was taken some 2 years before I started the HRT and I was somewhere on 85 kg then... I suppose. Before I started my HRT, I commenced very rigorous cardio-workouts and I lost about 10 kg in very short time. My clothing started to hang on me, literally, but I had very specific aim set for me and went for it very stubbornly (I had never done 4-5 jogging sessions per week, each about 1 hour long, my shirt was soaking afterwards...). When I started the hormones, I was 74 kg and I kept doing cardio-trainings and now my weight is somewhere within 69-70 kg, and it is more difficult to loose weight with estrogen. At the same time, judging from my strenght decrease, I assume that my muscles turn into fat slowly and as soon as I will be able to start Insanity programme, I will see more progress. As far as how fast I did see my changes, honestly, when I kept seeing myself on a daily basis I could not see much - only taking pics and comparing them can be of some sort of guidance. Even my uninformed colleagues keep to remain oblivious :). You can see a short version of my timeline pics here
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,143968.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,143968.0.html)
but as You will see there are not many changes within the first couple of months, apart of some smoothing down here and plumping out there, and then, at some point of time, things start to pile up and come together. Besides, in bad lighting and early in the morning I look hideous :).
Quote from: Mortified_Penguin on October 08, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
Alright,
I just saw how my comments derailed this topic.
I think that you have realistically a good base from which to start.
But your post is full of doubts, this is good, but remember that transition is a life
changing decision. Only you can know your greatest excitement... Inform yourself,
ask help, try little, baby steps, for example long hair, maybe ears pierced (*), some
andro clothes and see what's happening inside you.
(*) they are not -- at least here in Italy -- done only by girls.
Quote from: Andaya on October 08, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
Honestly I had to check which forum I was in for a moment because all I could see was a girl in that picture. I was worried for a second that I was in the FTM forum. You absolutely will pass with flying colors :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 09, 2013, 01:43:43 AM
You have lovely features! You should have no problem.
Ah, to me young and pretty...
Quote from: Kristal on October 09, 2013, 01:51:40 AM
You sure you're not cis? I kid, I kid... You look absolutely lovely, I'm certain you'll do well.
Thank you all! That's really encouraging to hear. And no, don't worry, not even vaguely cis.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 08, 2013, 10:27:33 PM
Holy frak, you look almost exactly like me. o_o
You just have much lighter eyebrows.
I have no idea what you look like, but I'll take that as a good thing.
Quote from: badsamaritan on October 09, 2013, 12:57:28 PM
I have no idea what you look like, but I'll take that as a good thing.
I know what she looks like! You two are sisters for sure! Seriously.
My main problem with being able to pass is the fact that I have the classic "super-hero" jaw line and chin :/ Aside from that I've had friends of mine tell me that I'd make a beautiful woman because of my physique and pale skin combined with straight dark hai
Quote from: PeanutButter on October 10, 2013, 04:58:59 AM
My main problem with being able to pass is the fact that I have the classic "super-hero" jaw line and chin :/
Hey, don't worry, so does Big Barda!
Just saw this thread and I thought I'd ask for feedback :P Soo... here goes nothing -
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(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F31.media.tumblr.com%2Fe32ea60b1c16cc894f084837e2971312%2Ftumblr_mu0zefvCNP1spk1b1o2_250.jpg&hash=ccf280e05ccbd35fca4c30b489c41a17f301b0ab)
Be warned, I'm kind of into the whole Lolita/LittleGirl thing, i doubt anyone here really minds but I just thought i'd give a heads up since these are the only pictures i have right now.
I'm not exactly sure why my face came out so darkened, but I put a close-up shot of my face :P
I honestly can't stop concentrating on my shoulders >_< Whenever i just cant stop looking at it, I think about Cameron Diaz or Angelina Jolie to remind myself that some girls do in fact have broad shoulders as well.. but I guess since my torso is still very male, I throws me off a bit. Also, I'd like to add that I'm not on hormones (yet)
Dont hold back lol
Gosh, that's a cute outfit. ;D You look very nice, and have a cute face. I didn't notice your shoulders, but your upper arms seem large for your body.
But to me you look like a cute girl.
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 10, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
Gosh, that's a cute outfit. ;D You look very nice, and have a cute face. I didn't notice your shoulders, but your upper arms seem large for your body.
But to me you look like a cute girl.
Yeah, I'm hoping that hormones can change that... from what i've read it reduces your muscle mass , and that largeness from my arms is just muscle >_<.. I use to be excellently small on my arms before i had to start working as a warehouse employee >:( now I no longer do that and my muscle mass seems to stay as it is
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 10, 2013, 09:43:34 AM
Just saw this thread and I thought I'd ask for feedback :P Soo... here goes nothing -
Be warned, I'm kind of into the whole Lolita/LittleGirl thing, i doubt anyone here really minds but I just thought i'd give a heads up since these are the only pictures i have right now.
I'm not exactly sure why my face came out so darkened, but I put a close-up shot of my face :P
I honestly can't stop concentrating on my shoulders >_< Whenever i just cant stop looking at it, I think about Cameron Diaz or Angelina Jolie to remind myself that some girls do in fact have broad shoulders as well.. but I guess since my torso is still very male, I throws me off a bit. Also, I'd like to add that I'm not on hormones (yet)
Dont hold back lol
Ummmm cute, I feel an urge to spank you though! :icon_peace:
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 10, 2013, 09:43:34 AM
Just saw this thread and I thought I'd ask for feedback :P Soo... here goes nothing -
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2F3b3785d1fe64361a062d3ba56d8287d1%2Ftumblr_mu0zefvCNP1spk1b1o4_250.jpg&hash=993ad023530289d9e3c9e1858f9f502aa1984b3f)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F31.media.tumblr.com%2Fe32ea60b1c16cc894f084837e2971312%2Ftumblr_mu0zefvCNP1spk1b1o2_250.jpg&hash=ccf280e05ccbd35fca4c30b489c41a17f301b0ab)
Be warned, I'm kind of into the whole Lolita/LittleGirl thing, i doubt anyone here really minds but I just thought i'd give a heads up since these are the only pictures i have right now.
I'm not exactly sure why my face came out so darkened, but I put a close-up shot of my face :P
I honestly can't stop concentrating on my shoulders >_< Whenever i just cant stop looking at it, I think about Cameron Diaz or Angelina Jolie to remind myself that some girls do in fact have broad shoulders as well.. but I guess since my torso is still very male, I throws me off a bit. Also, I'd like to add that I'm not on hormones (yet)
Dont hold back lol
Yeah, you have a thick body, definitely built like a male however most of it seems to be muscle. Your shoulders aren't THAT big that and your large amount of muscles mass should lightly reduce their width as well. All in all, hormones should make dramatic changes to you given about a year. :)
Don't fret, your masculinity is very reversible.
That lolita outfit makes it really hard to judge because it really hides your body and the hair hides your face. I'd say in that outfit, it would be very hard to pass because it really draws attention, even if it is only used on speciality events or cosplay cons or whatever.
I am not sure about this whole HRT against broad shoulders though, really.
What happened to me was that I lost muscle mass at the shoulders but I gained it all back in fat, so my arms and shoulders are now not thinner but just more fat than muscle. I guess if you manage to loose weight at the same time, it may have an effect though.
Quote from: Shantel on October 10, 2013, 10:22:49 AM
Ummmm cute, I feel an urge to spank you though! :icon_peace:
Me too! ;D
Quote from: Shantel on October 10, 2013, 10:22:49 AM
Ummmm cute, I feel an urge to spank you though! :icon_peace:
:o :o :o Holy guacamole! :o :o :o
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 04:56:39 AM
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg818.imageshack.us%2Fimg818%2F3334%2Fafg2.jpg&hash=b107a70bf6d43f998e32bca13b6dce752645d967)
You totally pass, and I wouldn't be surprised if men attempt to hit on you all the time!
I'm actually quite curious to know why I look spankable lol..
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 10, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
I'm actually quite curious to know why I look spankable lol..
because its inappropriate to say more.... :eusa_shifty:
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 10, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
I'm actually quite curious to know why I look spankable lol..
That dress, and the look on your face, which says you were a bad girl. We don't know what you did, but feel obligated to take your word for it. lol
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 10, 2013, 04:00:06 PM
That dress, and the look on your face, which says you were a bad girl. We don't know what you did, but feel obligated to take your word for it. lol
lmao... I dont know what to make of that statement, but i'll take it as some kind of a compliment hahaha
*opens thread*
*sees lolita pics and a bunch of people with paddles out, ready to spank*
*steps out of thread*
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 10, 2013, 04:15:38 PM
lmao... I dont know what to make of that statement, but i'll take it as some kind of a compliment hahaha
Sorry Emily, I started that silly business! I was reminded of the Lolita movie and that older gentleman pedophile type pervert played by James Mason. But let me be fair and say that you do look cute and are no doubt a bit of a chunkster. I can't see your face but it is clear that your heart is in the right place to be here. Submit a few facial photos, front and side and we can give you a better critique. Love the dress, wouldn't be caught dead in it myself, but for what you are trying to do it is cute and it works. You look like the teenage girl next door >:-), no I'm not
the James Mason even though I am older. ;D :D
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 10, 2013, 04:15:38 PM
lmao... I dont know what to make of that statement, but i'll take it as some kind of a compliment hahaha
It's all silliness AND Shantel's fault! ;) I've never spanked anyone, but it sounds provocative, and you look cute. :)
@Hideyoshi, no paddles! You have to use your hands! And your next! lol
Oh, I am on the weird part of Susan's again...
Apparently, the full-moon is coming or someone has skipped her daily AA dosage :P.
hello
Could I have your opinion. Should I do FFS?
I am under treatment for 2 months.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg543%2F1544%2Fpdo3.jpg&hash=bb67dd79e0cba4afcc3048fc648cac8608ed3bd5)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg200%2F2781%2F3tgl.JPG&hash=e25a3db036d632fb147617627f06109ce250106f)
Quote from: arno on October 11, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
hello
Could I have your opinion. Should I do FFS?
I am under treatment for 2 months.
Wow... if I were you, I'd hold off on any FFS decisions at least until HRT has had a chance to me... I don't believe I'm alone in thinking you have a beautiful face with excellent bone structure. Hairline is high, but that may fill in.
*hug* I can't wait to see your progress! :)
Quote from: arno on October 11, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
hello
Could I have your opinion. Should I do FFS?
I am under treatment for 2 months.
I would also wait, which I think you are supposed to do before you have FFS... I have read about a year? But you do have the brow ridge and a more prominent nose than you would probably want. The rest of your face is nice.
I have a similar nose, but less of a brow, and I clearly will need some tweaking to really look female.
What a feminine profile shot! I don't think the brow will be a problem for you especially with longer hair.
The only FFS procedure you might really want to consider is tracheal shave, which is hardly even FFS ;)
Quote from: arno on October 11, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
hello
Could I have your opinion. Should I do FFS?
I am under treatment for 2 months.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg543%2F1544%2Fpdo3.jpg&hash=bb67dd79e0cba4afcc3048fc648cac8608ed3bd5)
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I won't argue that you can probably pass with what you have, but to say FFS wouldn't benefit you is a wild misstatement. You have a fairly long face, (consider so do some natal women) and long faces I'd say definitely have a harder time coming off as female, having some jaw work done with a little big of nose and chin work would definitely benefit you as it would help make your face appear visually more feminine, round.
In the end though, that's just vanity- I think you'd do okay with enough confidence.
Newest photos, I'm feeling more confident everyday!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi145.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr227%2FThaliesin%2FHRT%2FHRT2mthsextensions_zps891e4b0d.jpg&hash=694b48fddf119390d510c3360dc112f0360b60ef)
And I feel my body is even getting more feminine. (wouldn't post this elsewhere, but since not a dating site I felt it was relevant) I've always been very bony and angular and I feel like my body has gotten softer. Flatter tummy my chest is developing nicely and I think I'm getting a butt!!! :laugh:
And this is you after one month of HRT?
Now I can't wait to start. You look pretty good already! I can only imagine after a year or two what you'll look like.
Quote from: Harlow on October 12, 2013, 08:35:20 PM
Newest photos, I'm feeling more confident everyday!
And I feel my body is even getting more feminine. (wouldn't post this elsewhere, but since not a dating site I felt it was relevent) I've always been very bony and angular and I feel like my body has gotten softer. Flatter tummy my chest is developing nicely and I think I'm getting a butt!!! :laugh:
Oh my Harlow, I think you are so right! :)
Hi everyone!
This is my first post! I'm about to start hormone treatment at the end of November. I should have transitioned years ago but didn't for one reason or another. Passing is important to me and I hope that one day I'll be able to pull it off. Do you think I have a chance?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1350.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp778%2Fpiggypaws07%2FIMG_20131006_203242_zpsc6b1db6e.jpg&hash=60d7923b2c99491d9be25e86625e1a9d18fe9c25) (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/piggypaws07/media/IMG_20131006_203242_zpsc6b1db6e.jpg.html)
Quote from: Kameron on October 12, 2013, 10:21:39 PMHi everyone!
This is my first post! I'm about to start hormone treatment at the end of November. I should have transitioned years ago but didn't for one reason or another. Passing is important to me and I hope that one day I'll be able to pull it off. Do you think I have a chance?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1350.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp778%2Fpiggypaws07%2FIMG_20131006_203242_zpsc6b1db6e.jpg&hash=60d7923b2c99491d9be25e86625e1a9d18fe9c25) (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/piggypaws07/media/IMG_20131006_203242_zpsc6b1db6e.jpg.html)
Are you sure you haven't started hormones yet? You're pretty darn gorgeous already!
Seriously cute Kameron. ;)
Quote from: Willow on October 12, 2013, 10:25:57 PM
Are you sure you haven't started hormones yet? You're pretty darn gorgeous already!
I wish I had! Thank you :)
Thank you for your answers, I do not consider surgery at this time.
I wondered if hormones were sufficed to feminize my face that I find terribly masculine.
Harlow and Cameron are absolutely beautiful, I realize that we do not begin our transition with the same advantages you have many luck. I say this without any jealousy.
I will soon post a "good" picture of myself, but I'm not presentable at the moment because I'm going to face remove hair Tuesday.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 11, 2013, 01:09:12 PM
I won't argue that you can probably pass with what you have, but to say FFS wouldn't benefit you is a wild misstatement. You have a fairly long face, (consider so do some natal women) and long faces I'd say definitely have a harder time coming off as female, having some jaw work done with a little big of nose and chin work would definitely benefit you as it would help make your face appear visually more feminine, round.
In the end though, that's just vanity- I think you'd do okay with enough confidence.
This was my point. I'll use myself as an example, and this is my own personal opinion. Many of the people posting here have very nice feminine features, and certainly more so than I. Damn you all! lol But natal males tend to have larger noses and the brow ridge and a square jaw, but not everyone and in different degrees. Some are fortunate to lack these features. Now some natal women also have these traits to some extent. It can be very attractive up to a point. Too much and you have a manly looking woman. We have all seen them. They attract attention just because they look different. I'll notice them, and while I'm not thinking they are trans, I am thinking "that's an odd looking woman". Some natal females have large noses. It's often not very attractive. I think another difference is that a trans woman that hasn't had any FFS will often wear makeup to soften their features, while natal women often won't. So yet another tip off.
For myself I don't think I could pass as female. I have some advantages in that I'm small and not very masculine looking, but my nose in particular makes my face very male. I had a natal women call me pretty the other night, which felt good, but that doesn't mean she felt I looked like a female... Or maybe she did. Lol
So for illustrative purposes, this is me as I look everyday. I'm not trying to pass, this is my "guy mode", or as much as anyone is going to get from me. ;) I wear mostly unisex clothing, or women's clothes that I can get away with. I avoid the "man in a dress" look at all costs, and I also try not to look gay, only because i'm not (but i am as a woman, how confusing lol but I'm not trying to have guys hit on me, which happened all the time when i was younger) I'm gong to have my brows threaded this week, but I think even then and with makeup I'd be stretching the imagination a little. Lol
I'd be overjoyed if HRT changed my features enough to not need FFS. But at my age it's probably not going to do enough. :-\ I'm vain, so I want to like my appearance, and I often don't.
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If you don't want to do FFS yet, maybe try experimenting with makeup. I've seen its effects on others, it can be wonderful, or it can be barely noticeable.
No harm in trying, though.
Quote from: Willow on October 13, 2013, 03:16:07 PM
If you don't want to do FFS yet, maybe try experimenting with makeup. I've seen its effects on others, it can be wonderful, or it can be barely noticeable.
No harm in trying, though.
Not sure if this was directed towards me, but I do want FFS. But I'll wait until I've been on HRT for a while (plus I can't afford it at this time :( and I haven't started hormones yet). I have worn makeup in the past, and had gotten good at it, so I'm going to start experimenting with it again. ;D
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 03:22:26 PMNot sure if this was directed towards me, but I do want FFS. But I'll wait until I've been on HRT for a while (plus I can't afford it at this time :( and I haven't started hormones yet). I have worn makeup in the past, and had gotten good at it, so I'm going to start experimenting with it again. ;D
Sorry, for some reason I thought I read that you thought you were too old for FFS. I must be hallucinating or something.
Sorry about that misconception.
Quote from: Willow on October 13, 2013, 03:35:44 PM
Sorry, for some reason I thought I read that you thought you were too old for FFS. I must be hallucinating or something.
Sorry about that misconception.
At my age it will also have the advantage of making me look younger (along with the HRT) because I can lift the saggy parts. :) now I just have to start saving up.
Quote from: Kameron on October 12, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Hi everyone!
This is my first post! I'm about to start hormone treatment at the end of November. I should have transitioned years ago but didn't for one reason or another. Passing is important to me and I hope that one day I'll be able to pull it off. Do you think I have a chance?
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What a gorgeous pic! Could you pass? Looks like a big yes to me :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 03:09:58 PM
This was my point. I'll use myself as an example, and this is my own personal opinion. Many of the people posting here have very nice feminine features, and certainly more so than I. Damn you all! lol But natal males tend to have larger noses and the brow ridge and a square jaw, but not everyone and in different degrees. Some are fortunate to lack these features. Now some natal women also have these traits to some extent. It can be very attractive up to a point. Too much and you have a manly looking woman. We have all seen them. They attract attention just because they look different. I'll notice them, and while I'm not thinking they are trans, I am thinking "that's an odd looking woman". Some natal females have large noses. It's often not very attractive. I think another difference is that a trans woman that hasn't had any FFS will often wear makeup to soften their features, while natal women often won't. So yet another tip off.
For myself I don't think I could pass as female. I have some advantages in that I'm small and not very masculine looking, but my nose in particular makes my face very male. I had a natal women call me pretty the other night, which felt good, but that doesn't mean she felt I looked like a female... Or maybe she did. Lol
So for illustrative purposes, this is me as I look everyday. I'm not trying to pass, this is my "guy mode", or as much as anyone is going to get from me. ;) I wear mostly unisex clothing, or women's clothes that I can get away with. I avoid the "man in a dress" look at all costs, and I also try not to look gay, only because i'm not (but i am as a woman, how confusing lol but I'm not trying to have guys hit on me, which happened all the time when i was younger) I'm gong to have my brows threaded this week, but I think even then and with makeup I'd be stretching the imagination a little. Lol
I'd be overjoyed if HRT changed my features enough to not need FFS. But at my age it's probably not going to do enough. :-\ I'm vain, so I want to like my appearance, and I often don't.
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Yeah, but ya know I think everyone here has problems with the way they look, I think I'm meh. Don't like my body, don't like my face. I've just learned to live with it anyhoo. xD
I figure it's probably time I should post an update, just because I love feedback!
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I've been on E I think about 3 months, if not very close to.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 13, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
Yeah, but ya know I think everyone here has problems with the way they look, I think I'm meh. Don't like my body, don't like my face. I've just learned to live with it anyhoo. xD
I figure it's probably time I should post an update, just because I love feedback!
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I've been on E I think about 3 months, if not very close to.
Yeah, lots of people have issues with their appearance. I'm generally happy with mine as far as being a guy. ;) But I'm not crazy about getting older so I had to ask myself if I wasn't crazy about being a middle aged guy, am I going to like being a middle aged woman? That was my conundrum, but ultimately it is who I am and I just have to stay in good shape and deal with it. I'll never be young and cute, but I can be old and cute. I'm happy I made the decision to transition. I have to stop over analyzing everything.
That's a nice photo of you. :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
Yeah, lots of people have issues with their appearance. I'm generally happy with mine as far as being a guy. ;) But I'm not crazy about getting older so I had to ask myself if I wasn't crazy about being a middle aged guy, am I going to like being a middle aged woman? That was my conundrum, but ultimately it is who I am and I just have to stay in good shape and deal with it. I'll never be young and cute, but I can be old and cute. I'm happy I made the decision to transition. I have to stop over analyzing everything.
That's a nice photo of you. :)
I look a lot better in mirrors :/
I don't know what to believe, webcam images or mirrors!
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 13, 2013, 05:24:56 PM
I look a lot better in mirrors :/
I don't know what to believe, webcam images or mirrors!
Me too! I flipped that mirror photo around and it looks odd not reversed. The web cam on my Mac flops the images, I guess so its like looking in the mirror.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 13, 2013, 05:24:56 PMI look a lot better in mirrors :/
I don't know what to believe, webcam images or mirrors!
When I first started to question myself, gender included, I believed neither.
I prefer mirrors now, for technical reasons. :P
Quote from: Willow on October 13, 2013, 05:46:23 PM
When I first started to question myself, gender included, I believed neither.
I prefer mirrors now, for technical reasons. :P
I know what you mean. My self image was always very different than what I see, which is the difficulty I'm having. But I think I can get close. :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 05:42:07 PM
Me too! I flipped that mirror photo around and it looks odd not reversed. The web cam on my Mac flops the images, I guess so its like looking in the mirror.
More specifically, in mirrors I feel like my eyes look big and my face as a whole looks slightly more round. When I use webcam, It usually looks incredibly long and makes my eyes appear more tilted.
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 13, 2013, 06:36:44 PM
More specifically, in mirrors I feel like my eyes look big and my face as a whole looks slightly more round. When I use webcam, It usually looks incredibly long and makes my eyes appear more tilted.
hmmmmmmm.
how about in photos?
Someone told me i need to smile more... lol it does make me look different. ;)
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Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 07:08:49 PM
hmmmmmmm.
how about in photos?
Haven't taken a photo in about 2 or 3 years.
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 07:10:36 PM
Someone told me i need to smile more... lol it does make me look different. ;)
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FYI, you do have a pretty nice face- I can see why you liked it in man mode. xD
Aside from your nose which should lose a lil bit of size on HRT you do have a pretty good face for it, it's not TOO masculine. Just need to advance the hairline a lil IMO. Oh, the eyebrows. Definitely need work there. xD
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 13, 2013, 07:13:10 PM
Haven't taken a photo in about 2 or 3 years.
I was wondering if the webcam was distorting the image.
QuoteFYI, you do have a pretty nice face- I can see why you liked it in man mode. xD
That's what my friend Victoria said to me. She's an attractive trans woman. She said I have been hesitating last year because I'm a good looking guy. But that wasn't the reason.
QuoteAside from your nose which should lose a lil bit of size on HRT you do have a pretty good face for it, it's not TOO masculine. Just need to advance the hairline a lil IMO. Oh, the eyebrows. Definitely need work there. xD
Yeah, the area where my hair parts just recently started thinning a bit in the front. :( Some of it seems to be growing back, but I need to address that. Still, I'm grateful for the hair I have. ;D
I'm getting the brows done tomorrow. i have neglected them.
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 07:37:52 PMThat's what my friend Victoria said to me. She's an attractive trans woman. She said I have been hesitating last year because I'm a good looking guy. But that wasn't the reason.
Zapping the upper lip hair may also help. Not wanting to sound offensive, but it somewhat draws the eyes away from what otherwise could be rather feminine.
Quote from: Grace_C on October 13, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
What a gorgeous pic! Could you pass? Looks like a big yes to me :)
Thanks Grace! :D
Quote from: Willow on October 13, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
Zapping the upper lip hair may also help. Not wanting to sound offensive, but it somewhat draws the eyes away from what otherwise could be rather feminine.
Yes, I have a very heavy beard. I hate facial hair! I had just shaved before those pictures were taken. I have to shave twice, the second time against the grain, but I always have a shadow.
I plan on doing either laser or electrolysis, depending on finances. I have picked out one of each in my area. I also haven't started HRT yet. I'm at the very start of my transition.
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 13, 2013, 08:13:34 PMYes, I have a very heavy beard. I hate facial hair! I had just shaved before those pictures were taken. I have to shave twice, the second time against the grain, but I always have a shadow.
I plan on doing either laser or electrolysis, depending on finances. I have picked out one of each in my area. I also haven't started HRT yet. I'm at the very start of my transition.
I'm fortunate enough to have a lighter moustache than beard or hair, but it is still somewhat noticeable.
Laser treatment is usually the best way. I read that it's $100 per treatment somewhere in the Lower Michigan region for laser on the upper lip. It sounded rather reasonable to me. There's probably several places out by you that offer similar rates,
Quote from: Nidalexi on October 13, 2013, 06:36:44 PM
More specifically, in mirrors I feel like my eyes look big and my face as a whole looks slightly more round. When I use webcam, It usually looks incredibly long and makes my eyes appear more tilted.
I've noticed the same thing--going hypothesis is that it has to do with some combination of the angle and the parts of your face you focus on when looking at a mirror as opposed to a photo, but I don't know.
Also, you look great! Especially for only three months on HRT! And I totally see the resemblance.
Quote from: badsamaritan on October 13, 2013, 08:30:11 PM
I've noticed the same thing--going hypothesis is that it has to do with some combination of the angle and the parts of your face you focus on when looking at a mirror as opposed to a photo, but I don't know.
Also, you look great! Especially for only three months on HRT! And I totally see the resemblance.
It's almost identical when I just get out of the shower. xD
I hate photos. I think I look awful in all of them except a few. I think it is because I have a lot of facial expression - my facial muscles move a lot and if I look into the mirror, it is a moving image with autmatic feedback ;) . in a picture it freezes and that makes it really look bad as I either have an odd expression - one eye closed, some part of the lip raised, some teeth showing ... etc. OTOH if I try to not use my face muscles on a photo, it also looks bad as I look sad, fake or stoned then with a bland expression. I cannot make a "photo face" for some reason.
Quote from: anjaq on October 14, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
I hate photos. I think I look awful in all of them except a few. I think it is because I have a lot of facial expression - my facial muscles move a lot and if I look into the mirror, it is a moving image with autmatic feedback ;) . in a picture it freezes and that makes it really look bad as I either have an odd expression - one eye closed, some part of the lip raised, some teeth showing ... etc. OTOH if I try to not use my face muscles on a photo, it also looks bad as I look sad, fake or stoned then with a bland expression. I cannot make a "photo face" for some reason.
I have this problem. I have a very animated face and highly feminine mannerisms, but any picture I take is an almost guaranteed
dude face.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 14, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
I don't identify as transsexual, so I hope no one objects to me posting here. Here we go.
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You have a lovely face and i like the dress.
@Devlyn, Thanks for your pm, I came straight here. You are all woman honey! You graduate to you look fabulous! I love the dress, flow over & accentuates the curves! Very impressed you have grown out your hair, lovely waves & curls. Very inspiring. My hair is about 10 months of growth, but not sure if I can do anything with it, all silver/grey. I think I will be staying with the wig. I don't see any make up. Have you had laser or light soft facial hair? A smile of confidence, you have blossomed. Be Proud of yourself.
Love you.
Jamie
Well thought I had posted in here but guess not. Anyway took this friday I have people telling me they see changes but I barely see any difference in my face from pre-hrt, at the moment I am just under 9 months into hrt. Hopeful or forget about it and give up?
Before/2 and a half months prior to hrt:
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Current/8 months on hrt:
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Edit to add before pic
Hi Emerald, difficult to know how much you've changed without a before pic but I definitely see a feminine face there! Unfortunately we're often our own worst judge of how much we've changed because we live with ourselves every second of every day and it's hard to remember the difference even with pics. I'd say trust your friends on this one! :D
Sorry about that, added a before pic.
Thanks I just wish I could see it. :(
I second what Emily said!
Quote from: EmeraldPerpugilliam on October 15, 2013, 06:43:39 AM
Thanks I just wish I could see it. :(
You cant, so just believe me :). Me too - I am looking in the mirror and I see a guy there (well, sometimes there is a monster - especially in the mornings :P).
Emerald. I think your skin has softened and your face is smoother and the expression of your eyes has changed a lot. If you plucked eyebrows that certainly helped, but some of that effect is from HRT. I think to be honest, you might need some more improvement to pass as it is, but at this stage I think you can already use some "crutches" - you know the ususal combo of hairstyle, light (!) makeup (I think you already did some eyebrow shaping). You could use some more volume in the hair. I assume you are already on the track to do laser, but I think I notice some hints of facial hair there that will improve the impression once its gone.
Quote from: Kristal on October 14, 2013, 07:56:54 PM
I have this problem. I have a very animated face and highly feminine mannerisms, but any picture I take is an almost guaranteed dude face.
This bugs me a bit - same with me here.
I think in a way we manage to overplay some of our masculine features with how we are - radiating female energy if you like or having mannerisms and expressions and body language that are female or even feminine. Then we look at this and think that we are doing good but then when we are sick or depressed or sad or it is dark, we fail and wonder why. Do you think this can be? I have the impression that this may be true as the moments I did not pass in recent times IIRC alsways happened under such circumstances.
Quote from: anjaq on October 15, 2013, 08:04:39 AMThen we look at this and think that we are doing good but then when we are sick or depressed or sad or it is dark, we fail and wonder why. Do you think this can be?
Well sure, when you are in a good mood, and feeling happy you look better than when you're not feeling good or tired.
On the other hand, we must be aware that certain features will not change (or change much) with HRT, and then we may need some surgery. It varies from person to person and with your age. But bone structure will not change. :-\
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 15, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
Well sure, when you are in a good mood, and feeling happy you look better than when you're not feeling good or tired.
On the other hand, we must be aware that certain features will not change (or change much) with HRT, and then we may need some surgery. It varies from person to person and with your age. But bone structure will not change. :-\
Yeah thats what I am trying to say - you have a certain bone structure and you overlay the effects of HRT and of "female energy" (behaviour, mannerisms, expressions, mimics) over that - if these fade for some reason or are cut off in part because of making a photo that does not cathc them, I fear a bit that some of the underlying things surface a bit and make us look at ourselves very critical and maybe even we get misgendered then. I am worried a bit about old age, you know - hormones wearing off, maybe sickness coming at times. It is something that probably most will only think many years post op as I am because it is about long time planning while transition is about getting to a goal rather fast. But it gives me thoughts about actually considering to do some of the surgical changes that I and others would maybe not feel are "needed" now but that may come very handy or are even needed in some years. And then why not benefit from them now and not when I am 60 ;)
Not sure how to improve the volume of my hair(taking dutasteride) it never did grow thick, have been plucking my eyebrows when I feel it is needed. Thanks for the encouragement everyone.
Devlyn side who? :P I think the hair really suits you.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 14, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
I don't identify as transsexual, so I hope no one objects to me posting here. Here we go.
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Devlyn,
I had no idea that you could clean up so nicely, you look gorgeous and I love the dress. What I said in pm still holds!
(Shan scratches her head, "Sheesh what doll who would have known!")
Quote from: EmeraldPerpugilliam on October 15, 2013, 04:52:14 PM
Not sure how to improve the volume of my hair(taking dutasteride) it never did grow thick...
Maybe rubbing something into the scalp to stimulate regrowth? I use Regaine... I
think it's working but it does take a few months to kick in.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 15, 2013, 06:16:25 PM
Thanks, hon! Although what you said in PM gets you arrested in 39 states! <blushing>
Too bad you're such a cop at heart! :police:
Ok, so first time posting any pictures of myself. I'm pre-everything right now, but should be starting HRT in a couple of weeks, YAY! My current weight is at 232 pounds, but has been steadily dropping for the past 8 months (I was at 310 back in March). Hoping to get below 175 at least, but probably lower. Just wanted to get some feedback on where I'm starting at.
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Well done Zoe! that's quite a feat. You're on your way, and not looking so bad for pre-everything!
Quote from: Willow on October 15, 2013, 06:43:00 PM
Well done Zoe! that's quite a feat. You're on your way, and not looking so bad for pre-everything!
Agreed I think you already look very feminine :)
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on October 15, 2013, 06:23:31 PM
Luckily, everything is legal in the state of Intoxication! >:-)
We won't go there so we'll just have to take a rain check!
Quote from: Zoe Snow on October 15, 2013, 06:24:19 PM
I'm pre-everything right now, but should be starting HRT in a couple of weeks, YAY! My current weight is at 232 pounds, but has been steadily dropping for the past 8 months (I was at 310 back in March). Hoping to get below 175 at least, but probably lower. Just wanted to get some feedback on where I'm starting at.
Great starting point Zoe and wow congrats on that weight loss! You may put some on firing HRT but hopefully in all the right places. I really look forward to seeing your progress shots. :)
Zoe your off to a great starting point
Quote from: EmeraldPerpugilliam on October 15, 2013, 04:52:14 PM
Not sure how to improve the volume of my hair(taking dutasteride) it never did grow thick
I guess it is more about styling. You can do little to change numbers of hair, but you can strenghten them with hair care products I guess, and you can use brushes and hairdryer to get it fluffed up a bit, maybe also a haircut that suits well. You could try to visit a stylist and see what they can do?
I did some of that for a while - eventually I must say my hair just really got better by itself, I still am not great in that sense but it is fuller now after many years of HRT, so I guess there are long time effects ;)
Well, here goes nothing...
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It took me forever to get this picture because I had to use my phone's rear camera to get a decent quality. It's surprisingly hard to take a good picture when you can't see what you're shooting. I also took a low quality picture with the front camera:
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The quality is sort of bad but it gives you a better idea what I look like when I'm not trying as much.
Like I said in my intro thread, I'm not trying to pass as female or anything at the moment. I'm just trying to keep things more on the androgynous side. At least for now. I am growing my hair out a bit more that I typically have lately, so I think that helps a bit. Anyway, thoughts, comments, suggestions? I already know my nose is too big, but that would probably be the first thing on my list if I decided to have some work done.
@Miyuku: You may not be trying to pass for female, but from those photos you do already :)
Your eyes and brows are very feminine, and I don't see anything wrong with your nose either.
Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 04:25:44 AM
@Miyuku: You may not be trying to pass for female, but from those photos you do already :)
Your eyes and brows are very feminine, and I don't see anything wrong with your nose either.
Totally agree!
Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 04:25:44 AM
@Miyuku: You may not be trying to pass for female, but from those photos you do already :)
Hmm... I guess if you just go by the face I might do alright, but considering I'm 6ft. tall, don't have much of a figure to speak of, don't talk with a female voice, and don't dress like a girl, I think I'm still pretty decidedly in androgynous territory. But, it is good to know that if I worked on those things I wouldn't have to worry about my face too much.
Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 04:25:44 AMYour eyes and brows are very feminine, and I don't see anything wrong with your nose either.
To be honest, I did do some work on my eyebrows, but I've been doing that for a long time. Even before I started anti-androgens. They sort of start to grow into each other if I don't keep them managed.
As for the nose... I could take a side profile picture to more fully illustrate the problem, but I'd rather not. I guess realistically there are women out there with noses that size (my mom being one of them), but I'd still like to get some work done on it. It would make me feel better about my appearance if nothing else.
Quote from: Miyuki on October 17, 2013, 04:41:55 AM
Hmm... I guess if you just go by the face I might do alright, but considering I'm 6ft. tall, don't have much of a figure to speak of, don't talk with a female voice, and don't dress like a girl, I think I'm still pretty decidedly in androgynous territory. But, it is good to know that if I worked on those things I wouldn't have to worry about my face too much.
To be honest, I did do some work on my eyebrows, but I've been doing that for a long time. Even before I started anti-androgens. They sort of start to grow into each other if I don't keep them managed.
Don't worry about being 6"... I'm 6" :) . Yes, we're tall, but it's a completely fine height. I'm sure you've noticed that 6" girls are far from uncommon. In fact, you may have noticed that the taller girls have a different kind of confidence about them that comes with the height. My therapist tells me that I'll eventually learn that same thing. As for the rest, while voice does some take some time and effort to develop, the clothes can change pretty quickly. You've an outstanding starting point, and your face will work wonders for you. :).
Quote from: Miyuki on October 17, 2013, 04:41:55 AM
As for the nose... I could take a side profile picture to more fully illustrate the problem, but I'd rather not. I guess realistically there are women out there with noses that size (my mom being one of them), but I'd still like to get some work done on it. It would make me feel better about my appearance if nothing else.
I totally understand the inward motivation to do something about aspects that you feel stand out. Please just be mindful that I've never met a GG that doesn't have issues/dislikes over something ( or many things ) about their bodies or appearance. We're no different... I wasn't thrilled with my nose either, but it has improved with HRT due to fuller cheeks which give it a kind of balance... You may find the same happens for you over time. :)
Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 05:53:03 AM
Don't worry about being 6"... I'm 6" :) . Yes, we're tall, but it's a completely fine height. I'm sure you've noticed that 6" girls are far from uncommon. In fact, you may have noticed that the taller girls have a different kind of confidence about them that comes with the height. My therapist tells me that I'll eventually learn that same thing. As for the rest, while voice does some take some time and effort to develop, the clothes can change pretty quickly. You've an outstanding starting point, and your face will work wonders for you. :).
Thanks, that's actually really reassuring.
Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 05:53:03 AMI totally understand the inward motivation to do something about aspects that you feel stand out. Please just be mindful that I've never met a GG that doesn't have issues/dislikes over something ( or many things ) about their bodies or appearance. We're no different... I wasn't thrilled with my nose either, but it has improved with HRT due to fuller cheeks which give it a kind of balance... You may find the same happens for you over time. :)
I still have a lot of baggage on the issue of my appearance, as I didn't get a lot of positive feedback on it while growing up. But I am at least aware on a conscious level that I have some decent potential as far as transitioning goes. There are just a few things that bug me, like my nose, or my chin. Or the fact my brow ridge/Adam's apple, while definitely on the small side, are visible to the naked eye under the right lighting conditions. Strictly speaking, none of these things are bad enough to stop me from passing, but if I do decide to go through with a full transition, I would like to be confident that no one could really tell. Being trans-gendered isn't always the easiest label to wear, and I'd really prefer if people saw me as a girl and nothing more.
Miyuki, I think you do well for presenting androgynous - I am sure that you are already gendered female at least part of the time on visuals.
Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 05:53:03 AM
I totally understand the inward motivation to do something about aspects that you feel stand out. Please just be mindful that I've never met a GG that doesn't have issues/dislikes over something ( or many things ) about their bodies or appearance. We're no different...
Well we are different in one aspect. We tie such aspects not to being ugly or even to being inadequate as women but we tie it to something that is much larger than that. To all the years of gender dysphoria, to not being just inadequate as women but to not actually be seen as normal women at all in some instances. We dont fear that people may not find us attractive or too masculine, we fear that people will treat us as transwomen or as men, which is just not what many of us want. I think this has to be acknowledged - that the background is subtantially different as in other women. Even those who seek nose corrections or other plastic surgery don't do this because they would otherwise fear of being actually seen as a male or as a transsexual, but because they may be treated differently because of a difference in beauty. I dont want to dismiss the feelings of need in these other women, but I believe it is a difference and even if there would be not, to say that for us it is "just as with other women" still would mean that for many doing such things is something they feel they need enough to actually do these things.
Here I go >3<
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Yes, I think it is your Destiny indeed cutie;)
You look seriously there even with ears on!
Mmmm.... In normal clothing I have no more worries about my female appearance, but... I already posted this in RLE. This is my gym aspect, since tomorrow I've been allowed to use the women's changing room and the manager thinks it will be safer for me than the males.
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5.5 months HRT.
How do you see it? I'm not very convinced about sleeveless tops, despite already having a considerable muscle reduction and weighting less than a lot of women of my age.
Don't worry about it, you look like an athletic woman, nothing wrong with that :)
Yeah, sure, there's still a little masculinity left, but I wouldn't expect it to all go away. Everyone has a few traits of the opposite, and thankfully you didn't get anything bad.
Point short, you look great, dearie, don't let anyone, especially yourself, tell you otherwise.
Depending on the gym, some of the women are looking more masculine than lot of the transwomen here. In part because the goal of some is to actually get more muscular, in part I guess because some do phamaceuticals. There was one on TV yesterday - she had huge muscles and it was some kind of game show where she needed that. Her face looked quite a bit more masculine than the pics posted in this thread, I am rather sure that she was injecting something.
Gym clothes are weird because they show parts of us that are not feminine, but then they also show parts that are clearly female, like any natural breasts (not padded) will easily show ..
Quote from: Apple Sprout on October 18, 2013, 03:10:44 PM
Mmmm.... In normal clothing I have no more worries about my female appearance, but... I already posted this in RLE. This is my gym aspect, since tomorrow I've been allowed to use the women's changing room and the manager thinks it will be safer for me than the males.
5.5 months HRT.
How do you see it? I'm not very convinced about sleeveless tops, despite already having a considerable muscle reduction and weighting less than a lot of women of my age.
You look fairly female already for just 5.5 months on HRT, it will get better as time goes by. There's no way you could get away with changing in the men's room so forget that idea. Eventually some of your skinniness will give way to an even softer and more girly look and you'll feel better in sleeveless tops.
Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 04:56:39 AM
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think :)
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Okay. I failed transitioning now. I'll just go and find a bridge tonight. I'm at 8 months E and nothing has happened.
Quote from: Sara on October 19, 2013, 06:06:15 PMOkay. I failed transitioning now. I'll just go and find a bridge tonight. I'm at 8 months E and nothing has happened.
E affects everyone differently. Usually it's about 2 years before the full affects set in. Hang in there, you could just be a late bloomer.
Quote from: Willow on October 19, 2013, 07:11:42 PM
E affects everyone differently. Usually it's about 2 years before the full affects set in. Hang in there, you could just be a late bloomer.
This is where I'm at right now, 8 months of E:
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I want honest opinions. I do not want to hear any sugar-coated, fluffy responses. Just pure honesty.
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Sara, I think you look very andro - tending female.
I think the shape of your face is not typical for males, so that's a huge bonus to you without anything else. The most male-like aspect I see from your photo is your chin, but again with the shape of your face and neck, it's not something I think you need to worry about. A photo from a side on angle would help to confirm that. Otherwise your skin and eye structure look great.
My only suggestions are: smiling :), and learning how to soften your chin with a little sculpting.
Also, please consider different tops. Those small crew necklines are not going to do you any favours. Showing a little more neck and shoulders can really add balance.
PS. Love the hair, looks very naturally thick.
Quote from: Sara on October 19, 2013, 07:46:34 PM
This is where I'm at right now, 8 months of E:
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I want honest opinions. I do not want to hear any sugar-coated, fluffy responses. Just pure honesty.
Sara,
You have a female head, neck and face. Small feminine jawline and a hell of a lot more potential then 80% of us here, so forget the bridge and continue on with the HRT. Are you under supervised hormonal care and taking testosterone blockers? If you are crying about a lack of physical development don't waste your tears. I had minimal development my first ten years, it was pathetic but eventually everything clicks into place.
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Quote from: Shantel on October 19, 2013, 08:02:48 PM
Sara,
You have a female head, neck and face. Small feminine jawline and a hell of a lot more potential then 80% of us here, so forget the bridge and continue on with the HRT. Are you under supervised hormonal care and taking testosterone blockers? If you are crying about a lack of physical development don't waste your tears. I had minimal development my first ten years, it was pathetic but eventually everything clicks into place.
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I've been on a T blocking implant since June of last year. My most recent blood test showed it was still working, too. Though my endo appointments are few and far between, about every six months.
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Sara you are looking very feminine already :) It just takes time for the full effects of HRT to take place
Be patient :)
Sara, I agree with comments above. You have an androgynous appearance tending strongly towards female. Your skin and cheekbones are very fine and your lips beautiful. Possibly a little makeup and a smile might take you a long way past any doubt at this early stage. But I wonder if your original comment about the length of time you've been on HRT and believing you have "failed transition" means you have greater concerns. I can't tell by the photo but are you referring to other developments like breast growth? Most cis women take more than two years to properly develop their breasts and some have small breasts well into their late teens, early twenties. For many of us trans women it is no different... frustrating I know, but a bit of padding in the early stages never hurt. :)
Quote from: Grace_C on October 19, 2013, 10:36:46 PMSara, I agree with comments above. You have an androgynous appearance tending strongly towards female. Your skin and cheekbones are very fine and your lips beautiful. Possibly a little makeup and a smile might take you a long way past any doubt at this early stage. But I wonder if your original comment about the length of time you've been on HRT and believing you have "failed transition" means you have greater concerns. I can't tell by the photo but are you referring to other developments like breast growth? Most cis women take more than two years to properly develop their breasts and some have small breasts well into their late teens, early twenties. For many of us trans women it is no different... frustrating I know, but a bit of padding in the early stages never hurt. :)
If you wait it out two years and it fails to show promising growth, there's always the option of breast enhancement, and, as I've read, many insurance providers will cover it if breast growth under hormones is not promising after 2 years.
We're our own worst critic, especially with us transpeople, always worried that one little deviation from "the norm" will throw us out, in reality, cispeople may have more deviations from "said norm" than we do.
Quote from: Willow on October 20, 2013, 12:14:29 AM
If you wait it out two years and it fails to show promising growth, there's always the option of breast enhancement, and, as I've read, many insurance providers will cover it if breast growth under hormones is not promising after 2 years.
We're our own worst critic, especially with us transpeople, always worried that one little deviation from "the norm" will throw us out, in reality, cispeople may have more deviations from "said norm" than we do.
You look lovely and if I saw you on the street I'd think you were a pretty-though somewhat sad :( -looking woman.
I completely agree with Willow, everyone has features that seem characteristic of the opposite sex. And women come in all different shapes and forms. Luckily for you, your shape includes great cheekbones :)
Quote from: Willow on October 20, 2013, 12:14:29 AMWe're our own worst critic, especially with us transpeople, always worried that one little deviation from "the norm" will throw us out, in reality, cispeople may have more deviations from "said norm" than we do.
This should be printed out and hung up in every trans person's home.
Sara - you got quite the androgynous face, I would address you as female if you had any indicators (anything from makeup to clothes) that you were so, for sure. And you look so young! Give yourself some time to bloom :)
Sara, you look lovely, but sad. I certainly don't think you've failed, and neither should you.
Some recent pictures: http://imgur.com/a/LoMdY
Am I still passing as a boy or just failing at it? Please be as honest as possible.
Quote from: Chris29 on October 20, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
Some recent pictures: http://imgur.com/a/LoMdY
Am I still passing as a boy or just failing at it? Please be as honest as possible.
Sorry Chris, you don't cut it as a boy. You have a female shape, and female face and may have a slightly masculine jaw line, but nothing noteworthy. Sorry to disappoint you but you would be a total flop as a boy under any circumstances.
Wow. Sara, you actually bear strong resemblance to one of my female facebook friends that I have never met. She was a friend of a friend who was supportive of my transition and posts MANY pictures of herself. For a few minutes I was trying to figure out if you were the same person, because you look VERY similar to her, and even have the same name!!! I have never doubted her female gender at all, and the fact that I wasn't sure if you were her or not speaks volumes.
The only thing that looks odd about your picture is your puffy hair, but otherwise I would have thought you were my female friend (who also has short hair but in a pixie cut).
Chris, you have a very female appearance, and I would never mistake you for a boy.
Chris, I love the fun way Sister Shan words things. I agree with her and Katelyn. Two words, Male fail.
Quote from: Chris29 on October 20, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
Some recent pictures: http://imgur.com/a/LoMdY
Am I still passing as a boy or just failing at it? Please be as honest as possible.
Are you trying to pass as a guy in those photos?
Quote from: Chris29 on October 20, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
Some recent pictures: http://imgur.com/a/LoMdY
Am I still passing as a boy or just failing at it? Please be as honest as possible.
You pass 100% and remind me a lot of Chell from Portal in your photo, partially because of the orange shirt and dark hair. Don't worry, you look 100% female.
Quote from: ZootAllures/BlackNapkins! on October 20, 2013, 01:22:44 PM
You pass 100% and remind me a lot of Chell from Portal in your photo, partially because of the orange shirt and dark hair. Don't worry, you look 100% female.
Thank you all very much. I loved the portal games and chell, though I have never thought that I would remind anyone of her :D
The pictures with the pikachu hat are officially boymode, the rest is "I dont care"-mode, where I wear kinda girlish clothes but no makeup.
Quote from: Chris29 on October 20, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
Some recent pictures: http://imgur.com/a/LoMdY
Am I still passing as a boy or just failing at it? Please be as honest as possible.
Sorry Chris, no duding for you. Nice hat, by the way.
Do you think I can pass? I'm pre-everything. I haven't started taking hormones or anything, hoping to start soon.
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Thought i'd post some face shots of myself without the wig and without the lolita dress lol hit me with your best shot. Also, i'd like to add that im not on hormones yet.
http://s773.photobucket.com/user/emilysings1019/library/?sort=3&page=1
The last one is a picture from sunday where i decided to go out in public for the first time fully dressed and looking like the real me.
Also, it was like one in the morning so i kinda look like ->-bleeped-<- >_< the rawer the better i suppose. I can't seem to take a good picture of myself the way i see my face in the mirror and it bugs the crap out of me.
Quote from: LittleEmily24 on October 21, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
Thought i'd post some face shots of myself without the wig and without the lolita dress lol hit me with your best shot. Also, i'd like to add that im not on hormones yet.
http://s773.photobucket.com/user/emilysings1019/library/?sort=3&page=1
The last one is a picture from sunday where i decided to go out in public for the first time fully dressed and looking like the real me.
Also, it was like one in the morning so i kinda look like ->-bleeped-<- >_< the rawer the better i suppose. I can't seem to take a good picture of myself the way i see my face in the mirror and it bugs the crap out of me.
Little Emily,
You have a nice face to start with. We all need to consider our face to be like an artists a palate, you have a good basic palate to begin with. Your jaw has a masculine set to it and your nose could use some work. I like your eyebrows, you will be able to do things with them. You look darling in the photo with the wig. Not being as good at these critiques as many here, I'll leave the finer points up to them.
Quote from: EmilyGlass on October 21, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
Do you think I can pass? I'm pre-everything. I haven't started taking hormones or anything, hoping to start soon.
You're cute Emily, the frontal facial shot isn't enough to go on, you should give us a profile shot as well. But you seem to have delicate features, slender neck though I suspect that the schnoz could use some fine tuning. if you submit more photos and a profile shot, give us some smiles so we can see more of the girl and less of the serious guy looking at us.
Quote from: EmilyGlass on October 21, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
Do you think I can pass? I'm pre-everything. I haven't started taking hormones or anything, hoping to start soon.
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Your really cute already! i think you will do great on hormones :)
where about are you from? ;)
Quote from: EmilyGlass on October 21, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
Do you think I can pass? I'm pre-everything. I haven't started taking hormones or anything, hoping to start soon.
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All I can say is that you already pass for gorgeous!
Chris - you are lucky - you can probably pull of what many cannot, especially after some more HRT - you will be able to dress as a boy and still be gendered female. Thats pretty cool. I agree that this one pic looks a bit androgynous though, but the rest - i woul dhave a hard time gendering you male in any of them even if I try ;)
EmilieGlass. You look to me still androgynous in the pictures which is a good start if you have not had HRT yet. You have very female facial features, especially the lips stand out as a great feature ;) - you can tip the balance a bit i think by plucking eyebrows. I like the haircut and the outfit. You are slim and can go a bit crazy on the fashion side if you like :) - You will do fine! :)
You look great, Emily!!! You have an AMAZING face, and with makeup and a slight change in hairstyle, you could be model-hot!
So.. I nerved up to go to the city center a couple of times 'en femme', thinking to do some shopping.. but I always chicken out and go home after buying something minor lol ^_^ I feel so self conscious, but surprisingly I haven't really noticed getting any stares or whispers... I guess people are generally polite enough to mind their own business.
So anyway, I took a bunch of pictures, trying to see how others see me (ignore the too-visible beard shadow, pictures were taken a good 8+ hours after shaving and doing the make up)... still not on HRT yet, so I'm obviously not going to win any beauty awards.. but if I can be taken as 'just another girl doing her thing', i'll be more than happy.
Anyway, picked out a couple I liked, would love any feedback.. I know I have a -lot- to learn when it comes to clothes and accessories, so please comment on anything you want!
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^ Hips-shot because those seem popular around here.
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^ And including a close up I took when I was out... this one freaked me out a bit, since I don't think I pass at all, so I am curious to see if anyone wants to comment.. I probably have to smile more, for one!
I think you're gorgeous. Your hair (wig?) isn't sitting naturally on your head. Not sure how to fix it, sorry. Anyways, yeah, you might be right about not winning a beauty award, don't know why you would want to, who judges those things anyways? If I was the judge, you'd have a pretty good chance of winning. ;)
Ok I've gotta get out of here, I'm not sure hitting on people is appropriate.
Quote from: <3 on October 21, 2013, 07:32:33 PM
I think you're gorgeous. Your hair (wig?) isn't sitting naturally on your head. Not sure how to fix it, sorry. Anyways, yeah, you might be right about not winning a beauty award, don't know why you would want to, who judges those things anyways? If I was the judge, you'd have a pretty good chance of winning. ;)
Ok I've gotta get out of here, I'm not sure hitting on people is appropriate.
Hi! Thanks for the feedback :) You are right that it's a wig, and that is an excellent observation.. I initially moved the hairline lower because I was worried that too tall a forehead made me look masculine, but I think perhaps I overdid it lol :).
How is something like this?
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Quote from: Anastasia E on October 21, 2013, 07:44:05 PM
Hi! Thanks for the feedback :) You are right that it's a wig, and that is an excellent observation.. I initially moved the hairline lower because I was worried that too tall a forehead made me look masculine, but I think perhaps I overdid it lol :).
How is something like this?
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Women tend to have the taller foreheads anyways proportionally. That picture there looks like much better placement for the wig.
Quote from: Bardoux on October 21, 2013, 04:18:22 PM
Your really cute already! i think you will do great on hormones :)
where about are you from? ;)
Thank you :) I live in So Cal.
Quote from: <3 on October 21, 2013, 04:22:30 PM
All I can say is that you already pass for gorgeous!
Aw thanks!
Quote from: anjaq on October 21, 2013, 04:59:25 PM
Chris - you are lucky - you can probably pull of what many cannot, especially after some more HRT - you will be able to dress as a boy and still be gendered female. Thats pretty cool. I agree that this one pic looks a bit androgynous though, but the rest - i woul dhave a hard time gendering you male in any of them even if I try ;)
EmilieGlass. You look to me still androgynous in the pictures which is a good start if you have not had HRT yet. You have very female facial features, especially the lips stand out as a great feature ;) - you can tip the balance a bit i think by plucking eyebrows. I like the haircut and the outfit. You are slim and can go a bit crazy on the fashion side if you like :) - You will do fine! :)
The fashion I totally have no problem with :D I definitely gotta work on my eyebrows. Hoping to grow my hair out more. Thanks!
Anastasia - I was just about to comment that you look good but that you have features that you may interpret as masculine but that are common among east European women, too - then I noticed your nickname, so I guess that was spot on LOL. I think you are doing quite ok there, but I guess some few people may still give you a look or two, dont worry about that too much, it will improve with HRT. I believe the hair is maybe a bit "too much" (I cannot pinpoint it - maybe having too much hair hanging in the face looks like you are hiding behind the hair, which looks odd, or maybe the hair is just very feminine which draws a bit of attention to the admittedly less feminine face) . Womens hairlines are not lower, it is just about the shape (oval vs M-shaped). I think you pass well enough to go shopping, just try to carry cash because cashiers will give you very weird looks if you pay with a debit card that has a male name on it but you look as you do ;) . Also if you can afford it - get some laser treatments as soon as you can those do wonders for initially getting rid of some of the facial hair at least for some time.
Hello ladies
it's been 3 months now that I'm on hrt. I would feminize me "step by step", so as not to offend the people around me. I also did not rush for me psychologically.
it suit me very well.
But it starts to get very hard to be all the time called "sir."
I want your advice to be more androgynous.
I post pictures of my usual look.
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I love the wigs but I do not dare to see my family or go to school with, I feel disguised me. I want to be myself and not another.
Thank you for your enlightened comment.
I do not post much because I'm not English and my post should be hard to read, but I am diligently the evolution of each.
thank you girls
Quote from: Anastasia E on October 21, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
So anyway, I took a bunch of pictures, trying to see how others see me (ignore the too-visible beard shadow, pictures were taken a good 8+ hours after shaving and doing the make up)... still not on HRT yet, so I'm obviously not going to win any beauty awards.. but if I can be taken as 'just another girl doing her thing', i'll be more than happy.
Anyway, picked out a couple I liked, would love any feedback.. I know I have a -lot- to learn when it comes to clothes and accessories, so please comment on anything you want!
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^ Hips-shot because those seem popular around here.
I am not MTF, so I am not totally familiar as to what HRT can do for MTF people, however, I will say that you have so much going for you pre- HRT.
If I passed you in the street at a glance, I would assume you were female, If I stopped to talk to you, I would probably pick up on your masculine features.
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So here Is what I think you have going for you as a pre - HRT women, You have a large head in comparison to your body size, that sounds a bit odd, but it is a neotenous feature and women are generally more neotenous than men.
You also have good size hips which is always a plus. You also have a fairly round head shape.
So although you are not passing right now, you actually have all the foundations for a successful transition IMO,
Quote from: Genzen on October 24, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
I'm going to challenge your imaginations. After reading through this thread I got very depressed. This is my second serious consideration of transition. The first time I bailed because I felt I could never pass without lots of FFS and without any funds that will probably never happen. I'm not to worried about my body passing, but my face will always give me away. I'm guessing that being clocked will have to be something I will come to expect and have to accept if I decide to transition. I've just started to let my hair grow out, and I will shave my beard after something important is completed soon. But in the mean time I figured I'd get confirmation or not of what I see. My face has lots of flaws as a female I believe, so I'm not optimistic. I have sunken eyes, vein on side of head, large jaw, big down pointed nose, crooked nose due to being punched in the face and the doctor didn't do anything to keep it from healing crooked, big brow, large forehead, and a receding hair line.
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Hi Genzen,
Well hon you just described me perfectly! Don't let the fact that we have some really hot looking numbers show up here on these photo threads, they come out of over 8000 members most of whom look a lot like you and me. By the way, you've got killer good looking legs and quite a female presence in the last few photos! Consider the fact that an awful lot of cis women will not look as good as yourself when it's all said and done, and in the worst case if you're still not happy there is always FFS to create the miracle girl you always wanted to be. Chin up girlfriend it's a can-do situation for you!
Thank you Shantel! I can't wait to shave and grow my hair out! We probably all have good and bad days I'm guessing.... **BIG HUG** :) P.S. Your breasts look lovely btw...
Quote from: Genzen on October 24, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Thank you Shantel! I can't wait to shave and grow my hair out! We probably all have good and bad days I'm guessing.... **BIG HUG** :) P.S. Your breasts look lovely btw...
I wasn't exactly intending that to be the focal point, I'll get a different photo up eventually I guess that one's kinda creepy. >:(
I've been on HRT for 8 months now and am getting a bit confused. I'm out to close friends and family but not out at work yet, and that means everyday i wonder around the city in male clothes, well at least clothes that i wore pre-transition as well. I'm getting the impression from people that regardless of how i am dressed they are seeing me as a transgendered person. I feel that i look in between at the moment, but i'm not sure how other people are reading me.
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Some photo's of hair up, excuse the facial hair i had to grow it out for electrolysis
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I'm having a tough time seeing why anyone would think you weren't a girl based on those pictures. ??? How old are you anyway? You look really young.
Bardoux you are always radiant. That and cute as a button. ;)
Bardoux, I don't see how it's even possible that anyone could read you as not being female. You have features that cis women would envy... perfect round forehead, scoop nose, perfect-sized chin, feminine lips, eyes that absolutely sparkle, great hair. How the hell you can possibly think that you look even remotely close to "in-between" is beyond me. Maybe there's some mannerisms that you need to work on or something. I don't know. But from an appearance perspective, you not only pass, I'd be completely 100% shocked if someone told me that you were trans.
The only even remotely male thing on you is the adam's apple.
Quote from: Bardoux on October 24, 2013, 05:14:55 PM
I've been on HRT for 8 months now and am getting a bit confused. I'm out to close friends and family but not out at work yet, and that means everyday i wonder around the city in male clothes, well at least clothes that i wore pre-transition as well. I'm getting the impression from people that regardless of how i am dressed they are seeing me as a transgendered person. I feel that i look in between at the moment, but i'm not sure how other people are reading me.
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Some photo's of hair up, excuse the facial hair i had to grow it out for electrolysis
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you look female and I love scarves. you look very laid back in your pictures.
Quote from: izzy on October 24, 2013, 06:40:51 PM
you look female and I love scarves. you look very laid back in your pictures.
I agree, very female and I love the smile!
Quote from: Miyuki on October 24, 2013, 06:10:11 PM
I'm having a tough time seeing why anyone would think you weren't a girl based on those pictures. ??? How old are you anyway? You look really young.
I agree. I would not pass you on the street, in boy's clothes or not, and not think you were a girl! Such a pretty face. :)
Great natural pics, izzy - you look very convincingly female to me!
Vanessa,
I'm with everyone else, I don't understand how anyone wouldn't see you as female. You are absolutely beautiful.
Oh and BTW, The official "You look fabulous, darling!" (Ver 3.0) (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.0.html) thread is that way --->
I expect to see you posting pics in there from now on. ;)
amy
Quote from: Bardoux on October 24, 2013, 05:14:55 PM
I've been on HRT for 8 months now and am getting a bit confused. I'm out to close friends and family but not out at work yet, and that means everyday i wonder around the city in male clothes, well at least clothes that i wore pre-transition as well. I'm getting the impression from people that regardless of how i am dressed they are seeing me as a transgendered person. I feel that i look in between at the moment, but i'm not sure how other people are reading me.
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Some photo's of hair up, excuse the facial hair i had to grow it out for electrolysis
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You are such a cutie!! Really!!
You must smile in all your pics from now on...your so much sweeter looking.
The period your at reminds me of my same feeling....I too thought I was in the in-between stage but like you was probably leaning toward more on the female side...albeit not trying too!!
I like your hair up or down....wish mine could look that full!! I don't know if you feel the same about your hair as I did then....I always wore it tied back in fear of being gendered female at awkward times...thing is I think it gendered me female more!! I now think if I wear my hair back I look ok but not very female....so I now like to wear it down...I think wearing it tied back though still genders me female more, since those are the times men seem to check me out a bit!!
Good luck with everything! Stay happy!! :)
Thank you so so much everyone for your lovely comments. I'm shocked but very grateful :) :)
Shelly i tend to have it down at the moment, there is a girl at work who calls me rock man on account that i like or rather used to like metal music and that has to explain it lol. She's great though and whilst i wasn't too happy with the nickname, it's her thing, everyone she mostly meets now has a nickname instead of using their actual name :P
Miyuki i'm 29 x
Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on August 06, 2013, 04:42:30 PM
Hiya girlies
i went out today to the mall, and was terrified! :/
i didnt get too many looks, but do you lot think i pass in this photo?
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Hello Zoe, oh my yes dear for sure....
Quote from: Bardoux on October 25, 2013, 05:17:27 AMMiyuki i'm 29 x
How unfair! I want to look like that when I turn 29 too lol! You're cute as buttons!
Quote from: Bardoux on October 25, 2013, 05:17:27 AM
Miyuki i'm 29 x
29??? :o Wow, I never would have guessed. If you had said you were under 18, I would have believed you. I look older than you, and people think I'm under 18 all the time.
Quote from: Miyuki on October 25, 2013, 09:45:56 AM
29??? :o Wow, I never would have guessed. If you had said you were under 18, I would have believed you.
Ditto - I really figured you for late teens very early twenties!
Decided to have another go at a picture. Minimal makeup here. Again, 8 months on E.
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Quote from: Sara on October 25, 2013, 03:55:25 PM
Decided to have another go at a picture. Minimal makeup here. Again, 8 months on E.
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So lovely... I am so jealous right now. :) Definite pass, in my book!
Hi Sara, Pass? Well YAH!!! You look great. Hug Joann
I am jealous too :) You are lovely, Sara :)
Quote from: Sara on October 25, 2013, 03:55:25 PM
Decided to have another go at a picture. Minimal makeup here. Again, 8 months on E.
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Sara you are a darling little thing, you look very petite and feminine. No makeup is better anyway no hiding the real you!
Indeed! Lovely!
I wish I could only be half as cute as you all... I don't think I could ever pass...
It is kinda sad...
Quote from: Ginger Maxim on October 26, 2013, 05:08:33 AM
I wish I could only be half as cute as you all... I don't think I could ever pass...
It is kinda sad...
Confidence is just as important as looks, if not more so! :)
Quote from: Ginger Maxim on October 26, 2013, 05:08:33 AMI wish I could only be half as cute as you all... I don't think I could ever pass...
It is kinda sad...
You've got to give those hormones a go, they work wonders, as you can see.
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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 26, 2013, 08:03:52 AM
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NO DUCKFACE!! :police:
Apart from that, pass of course. Pretty, too!
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 26, 2013, 08:03:52 AM
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Girl, why you duckface when you so sexy?
@Angélique LaCava
Pass? You are drop-dead gorgeous! You could be a model ;D
Angelique, I don't think you could pass as male.
Sara and Angelique, I hope I can be half so lovely as either of you. Get out there and make the boys drool over you. ;)
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 26, 2013, 08:03:52 AM
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Very pretty! And I agree, no duck face! ;D
OK, so I was not going to post anything in this thread, because frankly I'd say I'm not passible, and I haven't even started HRT or anything. My passible days sans anything where like 30 years ago!
But... I play bass in a classic rock cover band, and every year we play at a club for Halloween and get dressed up. That was last night. This year I decided to reprise my usual type of Halloween costume from years past, i.e., dressing as a girl. I decided to go out on a limb and wear a Japanese sailor school uniform (being that I like Anime and Japanese culture in general). I kept what I was wearing a surprise from the rest of the band. They tease me enough for wearing nail polish and my blue hair. lol But they have gotten used to it. No one even noticed my plucked eyebrows recently, or at least they didn't say anything. Same for my hairless arms, but my ex-wife didn't notice that either until I pointed it out to her. Now she knows the whole story, but I'll save that for another thread.
So.. I ended up starting to get ready way too late, and my nail polish (pink bubble gum with a glitter top coat) took longer than expected, so while I was doing my makeup my ride was waiting downstairs for me! Talk about stress... Plus I have bad eyesight, and even with my magnifying mirror, I couldn't see what I was doing without my glasses. Trying to do your eyes with glasses perched on the end of your nose doesn't work! But even rushing it came out rather well (hard to tell in the photo below). I also forgot my mascara and neglected to bring my makeup bag with me to touchups! Grrrrrrr. And I needed a touchup when I got done unloading our van.
I have to say, that the whole evening was a wonderful experience and ego booster! Not only did I not freak out my bandmates, but the keyboard player told his girlfriend, and me, that I should dress this way all the time! He thought I looked really good. His girlfriend thought so too. She knows I'm trans, but no one else in the band does.
After we started playing two women were dancing in the front and pointing at me and talking to each other. But that was going on all night... Between songs one leans over to me and said "we thought you were a girl but then we heard you talk!" I said "I am a girl" and she said "really?!?" and looked confused lol. Later they were talking to me and saying how well I carried myself and all my mannerisms were just like a girl. Now here's the thing, I wasn't doing anything different! I was just dressed differently. They were commenting on my bracelets and makeup and asked if I got help, and I said, no I did it all myself. Then I said "do you like my nails?" and turned my hand towards them, and one of them said "did you say it that way that to sound like a woman? Because that's what a woman would say it". I said no... That's just me being me. They were really going on about my whole image and all. I found the whole thing amusing and it made me feel good.
Then a really cute girl said she liked my costume and said at first she thought I was a girl. Then she said "I had to loo twice and three times at you... for a guy in a dress you look really good and have nice legs!"
This continued on all evening. The barmaids didn't know who I was, nor did some other people who come to see the band when I was sitting at a table with them. One of the band member's girlfriend and her daughter, both who know me really well didn't recognize me and thought they got a girl bass player! The daughter posed in a few photos with me. Her mom said "you make a really pretty girl, I hope you don't mind me saying that!" lol. Mind it?? ;D A number of people I don't know wanted to have photos taken with me.
So many people didn't know it was me until I spoke. The keyboard players girlfriend also said I looked really good dressed that way, and also said she hoped that was okay to say. Funny reaction people have; do I tell the guy dressed like a girl that she's pretty? lol But people did say I was pretty and I thanked them. A guy who comes to see the band all the time also said he didn't think it was me and that my mannerisms were dead on for a girl when I was playing. I heard that so many times along with me having nice legs. Same thing with another couple that comes to see us play every time.
I have to say it was just the most wonderful feeling. :) Now I want to do it again real soon! When I was getting ready I was thinking "wow you make a bad looking woman", and getting really stressed out about my appearance, but after I got dressed I was pretty damn cute, even with my not very lady like nose and chicken lips. lol My eight year old daughter saw me, sans wig and all, and said "Oh my God daddy, you look like a women!" I think it freaked her out a little.
It was a real confidence booster. I realize it was a costume party, so expectations are different, but the fact that people who have seen me many times before had no idea who I was gives me hope. lol Now if only I had nicer lips... :-\
Here's a bad bathroom selfie right after I put my wig on:
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And another no so great full length shot with my Hello Kitty flu mask. :) I only wore that for part of the first set, and then it got too hot.
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You look absolutely terrific RavenMoon!! Sounds like you had a great night :)
Not bad, Raven. Not bad at all.
Quote from: Bardoux on October 27, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
You look absolutely terrific RavenMoon!! Sounds like you had a great night :)
Thank you! I really did. Helped remove lots of doubts that keep cropping up. I'm not young and cute like you anymore. ;) But I think I make a cool middle aged woman rocker!
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 27, 2013, 12:43:31 PM
Thank you! I really did. Helped remove lots of doubts that keep cropping up. I'm not young and cute like you anymore. ;) But I think I make a cool middle aged woman rocker!
You do, nice pix!
Quote from: Shantel on October 27, 2013, 12:53:58 PM
You do, nice pix!
Thank you!
I was nervous about posting the pictures, but all of you all too kind. :)
In the other band I play in (an original heavy grunge type of band), the singer (who's band it is and who's like my best friend) knows I'm trans, so I don't think she would mind if I got dressed up for gigs. She already calls me Raven so... It was just so nice to feel like myself for a change. Can't wait to do it again. :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 27, 2013, 01:03:24 PM
Thank you!
I was nervous about posting the pictures, but all of you all too kind. :)
In the other band I play in (an original heavy grunge type of band), the singer (who's band it is and who's like my best friend) knows I'm trans, so I don't think she would mind if I got dressed up for gigs. She already calls me Raven so... It was just so nice to feel like myself for a change. Can't wait to do it again. :)
Few are pretty (sigh) but we make do don't we hon? Good show though!
Quote from: Shantel on October 27, 2013, 01:07:08 PM
Few are pretty (sigh) but we make do don't we hon? Good show though!
I've always been rather vain. Or at least I care about my appearance. Especially my hair. lol Getting older hasn't been a lot of fun, but I feel tons better about myself now. :)
I'm also really happy that I'm small. It didn't always work well as a male (gosh there are so many tall women out there!), but it's coming in handy now. :)
My current appearance (still pre-everything, no make-up other than lipstick/gloss):
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Obviously I know I don't pass at all yet, but I'd like to think I have at least a reasonable start to eventually passing.
Wow! This thread is such an inspiration for me. I'm finally trying to address to look to match how I feel!
I had thought I was 'the only one on the planet' like this!
You are all wonderful!
I know I wasn't passable, but I used Halloween as a safe way to go out in public for the first time and it was a very positive experience. I was a preppy school girl and my friend helped me out by going as a goth school girl. I wish I could have been a little more convincing but I am hopeful that hormones can get me there. Would love some honest opinions on how I did.
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Clean up that face with some laser, and then it'll be looking really good :)
Working on it - I'm about halfway done with electrolysis. My cheeks have been zapped a bunch and moving into the goatee area now. Thanks :)
Quote from: skin on October 27, 2013, 11:04:41 PM
I know I wasn't passable, but I used Halloween as a safe way to go out in public for the first time and it was a very positive experience. I was a preppy school girl and my friend helped me out by going as a goth school girl. I wish I could have been a little more convincing but I am hopeful that hormones can get me there. Would love some honest opinions on how I did.
I did the same thing this past Sat of going out the first time dressed to a halloween party and as you it was very positive experience and even won first place in the contest. Heard some guy in the crowd say, you mean thats a dude, boy did that make me feel good. Fooled many friends also as they didn't even recognized me. But it all came at a cost though, sprained my darn ankle from a pair of 3 inch heels that made me fall getting in my truck, lost my balance on the running board and came down hard on my right foot and snapped off the heel of the shoe. So glad it was the heel that made that snapping sound and not a bone.
Quote from: skin on October 27, 2013, 11:04:41 PM
I know I wasn't passable, but I used Halloween as a safe way to go out in public for the first time and it was a very positive experience. I was a preppy school girl and my friend helped me out by going as a goth school girl. I wish I could have been a little more convincing but I am hopeful that hormones can get me there. Would love some honest opinions on how I did.
Yay for school girls! :) You look very cute.
I was going to do the standard plaid skirt uniform but then went the anime route.
I had such a great time and was surprised how many women I fooled! I probably fooled the guys too, but only one had the nerve to approach me. lol
went shopping yesterday.... ;D...
It seems that I "pass" with a skirt, I get many "ma'am", few strange looks, I would try
also to pass with trousers... more difficult. I have not started HRT yet.
I look surprised in the photo because in the last days, sometimes, I see a woman
in the mirror... it is really :o :o because I know that it is ME, but it's like meeting
your real... self. Maybe it is only suggestion... who knows.
How do you see me?
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Quote from: Marina mtf on October 28, 2013, 10:30:08 AM
went shopping yesterday.... ;D...
It seems that I "pass" with a skirt, I get many "ma'am", few strange looks, I would try
also to pass with trousers... more difficult. I have not started HRT yet.
How do you see me?
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Marina, you look very female and most passable, most of that is attributable to the way I suspect that you carry yourself judging from your stance in this and in other photos. And your dress mode is very female-conservative at knee length, all very sensible to help you blend into the cis female population nicely.
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 28, 2013, 10:30:08 AM
went shopping yesterday.... ;D...
It seems that I "pass" with a skirt, I get many "ma'am", few strange looks, I would try
also to pass with trousers... more difficult. I have not started HRT yet.
How do you see me?
You look like a lady to me.
Quote from: Shantel on October 28, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
Marina, you look very female and most passable, most of that is attributable to the way I suspect that you carry yourself judging from your stance in this and in other photos. And your dress mode is very female-conservative at knee length, all very sensible to help you blend into the cis female population nicely.
thank you. Yes, I think that going really "low profile" helps, especially because I live in a small town.
I entered also a church yesterday (a Catholic church!!!) and nobody gave me a second look.
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 28, 2013, 10:30:08 AM
How do you see me?
You look good. Longer hair (or a wig) would add to the overall presentation.
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 28, 2013, 10:39:29 AM
thank you. Yes, I think that going really "low profile" helps, especially because I live in a small town.
I entered also a church yesterday (a Catholic church!!!) and nobody gave me a second look.
Why should they? You look like a proper Catholic lady Marina! :icon_bunch:
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 28, 2013, 11:00:13 AM
You look good. Longer hair (or a wig) would add to the overall presentation.
thank you! I am growing them... slowly... started in June with total zero length (I was in a Buddhism period and used to shave my head... :) , now I continue to practice, sometimes, but I let the hair grow O0).
Quote from: Marina mtf on October 28, 2013, 01:27:49 PM
thank you! I am growing them... slowly... started in June with total zero length (I was in a Buddhism period and used to shave my head... :) , now I continue to practice, sometimes, but I let the hair grow O0).
I'm a member of SGI myself. :)
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
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Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
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You look very professional in that picture
Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
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So beautiful. I bet you have your pick of the men (or women).
Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
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I would not think for a moment that you weren't female!
Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PMI haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
*picsnips
Allow me to redirect you to the Fabulous thread (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.0.html). These pictures belong there, not here.
Quote from: Willow on October 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Allow me to redirect you to the Fabulous thread (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.0.html). These pictures belong there, not here.
Agreed! Stunning!
Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
What, what transgirl? I don't see anything but a cis-female in the picture. And a good looking one at that!
Quote from: Carol on October 29, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
What, what transgirl? I don't see anything but a cis-female in the picture. And a good looking one at that!
Yeah, she's a looker alright, if we could all be so fortunate!
Quote from: Willow on October 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Allow me to redirect you to the Fabulous thread (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.0.html). These pictures belong there, not here.
I concur!
Quote from: Willow on October 29, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
Same could be said for you.
Aww, cheers darling! ;D
I already do :P (and can see me clogging that thread up more as the months go by...I appear to be becoming quite vain as my transition progresses!)
Quote from: Kaylee on October 29, 2013, 10:59:50 AMAww, cheers darling! ;D
I already do :P (and can see me clogging that thread up more as the months go by...I appear to be becoming quite vain as my transition progresses!)
Rightly so, everyone deserves to be proud of their evolving beauty during their transition.
Can't wait to get that starting, just need to get passed the bloodwork.
Quote from: Willow on October 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Allow me to redirect you to the Fabulous thread (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,138923.0.html). These pictures belong there, not here.
Agreeing with everyone else. Very pretty.
You look amazing. I wish I was as pretty as you. I'm not able to transition or do anything too feminine in front of my parents or at home. I tried coming out to them through a letter and it didn't work they didn't believe me. They said it was just a phase. Do you have any tips on things I could do to help me feel feminine that aren't too obvious? You go girl!
Love,
Kayla
Quote from: kaylagirl0806 on October 29, 2013, 07:02:13 PMDo you have any tips on things I could do to help me feel feminine that aren't too obvious? You go girl!
My "phase" has now lasted over 50 years...
What I used to do, and do currently since I'm not presenting myself as female yet, is polish my toes (and often my fingers; people just think I'm an eccentric goth musician lol) and I wear ladies under garments and if it's not too warm, tights under my pants. :) makes me feel good. I also shave my legs and arms and every place I can reach.
Thanks Raven. I did actually shave my legs today! I would love to be able to wear panties all the time but I don't know how to get them as I would be embarrassed going into a store and buying on line is a definite no because I don't have a credit card or debit card :-\
I hate to say it, but when I was younger I actually shop lifted panties and tights. :( then I got braver and just bought them. No one blinked an eye.
Now I sometimes get funny looks. I bought some pink tights the other day and had to ask for them. The sales girl said "how tall is the person you are getting them for?" So I just said "oh, they are for me". She smiled a bit and said "you would be a large". lol
Haha I wish I was as brave as you, but I'm worried that some friends will see me or someone else I know :-\
Quote from: RavenMoon on October 29, 2013, 07:29:09 PMI hate to say it, but when I was younger I actually shop lifted panties and tights. :( then I got braver and just bought them. No one blinked an eye.
A lot harder to do nowdays.
Embarrassingly, one of my two pair was mom's.
I just really wish I had some of my own :-\ Kinda hard to do though when your parents aren't supportive tho :(
Quote from: kaylagirl0806 on October 29, 2013, 07:30:37 PM
Haha I wish I was as brave as you, but I'm worried that some friends will see me or someone else I know :-\
As was I at that age! Now I'm old as dirt and don't care! lol
But I was always painfully shy, which is think now was/is due to the gender dysphoria. I just never felt right in my own body. I fake it now, but I'm still shy.
Quote from: Willow on October 29, 2013, 07:38:04 PM
A lot harder to do nowdays.
Embarrassingly, one of my two pair was mom's.
I would not be able to do that....just thinking about it *shudders*
I've never really been shy Raven but my friends have grown up with me since kindergarten. I don't think they would respect me anymore :-\
Quote from: <3 on October 29, 2013, 08:19:06 PMI would not be able to do that....just thinking about it *shudders*
I don't care enough to not get my hands on some of the correct underwear.
Quote from: kaylagirl0806 on October 29, 2013, 08:23:59 PMI've never really been shy Raven but my friends have grown up with me since kindergarten. I don't think they would respect me anymore :-\
I really hate that in academic systems. Everything becomes so homogenous, no one knows of the outside.
Your attitude is probably the exact opposite of mine, considering I only spent 6 months to 4 years in one school at a time.
so I've been on hormones for 7 months, and I'm still unsure if I I really pass or if peeps are just being polite...You can't see it but I present very femme, ie rompers, striped tops, leggings, skinny jeans and flats. Though my chosen hair style, a punkish pixie cut i want to dye blonde, makes me look dykish. I like men. And sleep with one everynight. Sorry i just like saying that. I still think im dreaming.
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Quote from: Joanna Dark on October 29, 2013, 09:10:14 PM
so I've been on hormones for 7 months, and I'm still unsure if I I really pass or if peeps are just being polite...You can't see it but I present very femme, ie rompers, striped tops, leggings, skinny jeans and flats
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The first I would gender as female, the second male. Wish I could give suggestions but I'm not sure what it is that's making the difference. Maybe smile more?
That's funny I think I pas better in the second but that's cuz I walked thru Macys makeup section and had about sevn women want to give me a makeover. I have a very femme body tho so that helps.
Here's two more of me after waking up.
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Quote from: Joanna Dark on October 29, 2013, 09:18:34 PM
That's funny I think I pas better in the second but that's cuz I walked thru Macys makeup section and had about sevn women want to give me a makeover. I have a very femme body tho so that helps.
Here's two more of me after waking up.
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I think I figured it out. It seems to be the camera angle. At the higher angle in the 1st and 4th pictures, you look more female than in the lower angle of the 2nd and 3rd.
Yeah I don't know and only have female clothes so I can't present male at best andro. But I have only been clocked once, yesterday, and my BF heard and said who cares its one person and the people he was with didn't believe him and he was a junkie so its whateva. Can't win em all.
Edit: heres how i look in full body. I wont post another pic i swear.
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Quote from: Willow on October 29, 2013, 07:38:04 PM
A lot harder to do nowdays.
Embarrassingly, one of my two pair was mom's.
Yeah, I don't think so... my mom's wouldn't be anything I would have wanted to wear...my parents were middle aged when they had me!
I still remember my girlfriend at the time finding a pair of mine in my room and accusing me of seeing someone else! I told her they were mine... that defused the whole situation! I still remember the look on her face. lol
As a side note, we are still friends 30+ years later, and I just told her my little secret the other day. She was surprisingly supportive.
This is embarrassing but I have tried my mom's before and I hated them. My mom is over 50 and not what you'd call a fashionista. I've resorted to wearing mens briefs in different colors but I long for something feminine :-\
I also have a girlfriend right now and I'm not sure how to go about that either :-\
Hi friends :police:
Let's try to stay on topic here
This is the 'Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?' topic
If you would like to discuss your underwear or other unrelated issues, start a new topic in the appropriate area
Thank you
V M
Quote from: kaylagirl0806 on October 29, 2013, 10:58:08 PM
I also have a girlfriend right now and I'm not sure how to go about that either :-\
That's tricky. I hate to say it, but I never told
anyone until very recently. And I knew since I was 4 years old. It's not easy. But since making the firm decision that I am transitioning, I figured the first step is telling friends and family.
The first person I told is my closest female friend. We play in a band together. She's a lesbian, so I figured she might be more accepting than a straight person. I don't think she knew what to say at first. A few days went by, and then she texted me "what is your girl name?" We have been fine ever since. She often calls me Raven now.
Then I told a few friends I have on FaceBook that I don't know in person, but we talk all the time. All of them are female. They were cool too. Then I told my (older) brother, and he and his wife were very supportive.
I've been changing some aspects of my appearance; I plucked my brows, removed body hair, and I have been wearing nail polish. But it's in a kind of glam rock androgynous kind of way. All my clothes are unisex, and mostly black. I'm growing my hair. I was married for 9 years and been divorced about a year. My ex and I are (were?) still friends, and we have an eight year old daughter. So my ex called me the other day and wondered is I was "coming out"... she thought I was gay. So I explained the whole thing, and she was shocked, but surprisingly offered her support. The next day she said she had to take off from work, just to process the news. She went away this weekend, and our daughter was staying with me. The other band I play in played at an annual Halloween party, and that's where my profile picture is from. I decided to wear a Japanese school girl outfit. It surprised everyone, but I got very positive reactions from people, and surprisingly fooled people that I've known for years. It was a real confidence booster! I posted it on Facebook as my profile picture. Why not?
So my ex sees that, and then today she sends me a rather angry sounding email, where she's fairly freaked out by the whole thing and is worried I'm going to traumatize our daughter and wants to get sole custody, etc. I'm trying to explain that I haven't started anything yet, so there's a good 4 or 5 years ahead of me, and our daughter will adjust. But she's not having any of it. That's very disappointing. ???
Then I told my closest male friend, and he says I should do what I need to be happy and we will always be friends. That made me happy.
So my point in that story was people will react in different ways. Sometimes not so good. I've been lucky so far. I'm sure if I was still married, this would be the end of it. I like girls, but my ex doesn't. I've decided not to pursue any relationships at the moment, since it wouldn't be fair to them. Unless they are bi. But still. My ex is upset that I never told her the truth about myself, and that's the same as a lie to her. Maybe she's right. So my advice is if you are really sure, you need to tell your girlfriend. It probably won't turn out well, but who knows? Everyone is different.
Best of luck to you! I have to say, I wish I had started at your age, but things were very different then. I'll be 60 in 4 years. :-\ I guess that's not too bad, but I wish I had more time.
Great advice! At least you made a move later then never
Quote from: Joanna Dark on October 29, 2013, 09:46:42 PM
Edit: heres how i look in full body. I wont post another pic i swear.
I think that one really helps sell the "whole package" of you as a woman. I agree with <3, the camera angle in the head shots can make it harder to pick you as definitely female - smiling helps though :)
Quote from: Joanna Dark on October 29, 2013, 09:46:42 PM
Yeah I don't know and only have female clothes so I can't present male at best andro. But I have only been clocked once, yesterday, and my BF heard and said who cares its one person and the people he was with didn't believe him and he was a junkie so its whateva. Can't win em all.
Edit: heres how i look in full body. I wont post another pic i swear.
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You look about as girly as it gets Joanna, nice trim little body on you girl! :icon_bunch:
Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
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u r super pretty :)
Quote from: Willow on October 30, 2013, 01:44:16 PM
You should speak for yourself too :D
Considering the meaning of speak for yourself...not the nicest thing to say. But we all know what you meant ;)
Quote from: <3 on October 30, 2013, 07:04:24 PMConsidering the meaning of speak for yourself...not the nicest thing to say. But we all know what you meant ;)
I meant it very literally :P
And tomorrow, finally Willow will be having pictures! I'm getting a makeover for a haloween costume. Hasn't been decided if I'm going to be a witch, or Cruella DeVille.
Quote from: <3 on October 30, 2013, 07:04:24 PM
Considering the meaning of speak for yourself...not the nicest thing to say. But we all know what you meant ;)
What is this the polite police? That's the 2nd time today...Meh!
Quote from: Shantel on October 30, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
What is this the polite police? That's the 2nd time today...Meh!
Don't push it lady, or you'll get a ticket too!
*runs and hides*
Quote from: big head horsey-face on October 30, 2013, 07:15:14 PM
Don't push it lady, or you'll get a ticket too!
*runs and hides*
Bah, Humbug! Humbug, I say!
Hi friends :police:
I really do not wish to lock this topic, but any more bickering and/or other peculiar derailments and that is what will happen
RESPECT the other member's postings and STAY ON TOPIC
GOT IT?
Thank you
V M
Quote from: Shantel on October 30, 2013, 08:52:42 AM
You look about as girly as it gets Joanna, nice trim little body on you girl! :icon_bunch:
Thnx Shan and everyone else who commented.
Fun haloween tonight, here's the results:
In my friend Carter's (genetic girl identifying as andro at times) dorm, they dolled me all up and came out with this, but forgot one little thing, boobs!:
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During the costume contest at the transgender meeting:
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(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXMbh7RT.jpg&hash=166c55aa34245ee70b5573744304814fc0cd2088)
Eating a chocolate:
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(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fai8Zsi9.jpg&hash=72c1a291cc174be7718a0064377269c983c9fa9f)
After the meeting:
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(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9mpSPbo.jpg&hash=71d604faf2be00cef7bd2cd1726dc2a2ef2c4726)
At a party after the meeting:
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Ended up using the women's bathroom for the first time since I was 6, when I still went with mom to the bathroom in public places.
Me normally (right now actually. Tired and in bed from, according to my phone, over 20,000 steps today):
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Couldn't get all the mascara off, just let it be for a while. Anyone who questions me, I say I was Alice Cooper for haloween.
Quote from: Willow on November 01, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
Fun haloween tonight, here's the results:
In my friend Carter's (genetic girl identifying as andro at times) dorm, they dolled me all up and came out with this, but forgot one little thing, boobs!:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fki8NadH.jpg&hash=4289234036a78894d0edd31715c029324780e03e)
Anyone who questions me, I say I was Alice Cooper for haloween.
Willow I really like this one best, you have Alice Cooper beat by a mile. Boobs? they're over rated accessories....meh!
Hey Willow,
I'd say people would clock you after a double take, but you have a lot of potential and should blossom into a beautiful girl once you get further along with things. You look a damn sight better than I did when I was at your stage of transition, I wish I'd had the courage to come come out when I was in uni!
Quote from: Shantel on November 01, 2013, 08:52:22 AMWillow I really like this one best, you have Alice Cooper beat by a mile. Boobs? they're over rated accessories....meh!
The Alice Cooper thing wws just in case anybody questioned me for the remains of the mascara and nail polish I didn't 100% get off, especially on my floor I currently live on.
That was just for the first shot. All the pics after that (except for man mode, duh) had boobs.
Quote from: Kaylee on November 01, 2013, 09:48:39 AMHey Willow,
I'd say people would clock you after a double take, but you have a lot of potential and should blossom into a beautiful girl once you get further along with things. You look a damn sight better than I did when I was at your stage of transition, I wish I'd had the courage to come come out when I was in uni!
I ended uo walking the streets of East Lansing and the aisles of a CVS in search of firsr makeup remover and then got a kit of everything, not clocked with anyone, I was so afraid of my voice, but I made it! I'm proud of myself for being pre-HRT, but that could change soon!
I can't wait for the next time I get to go out as female.
EDIT: for the record, I'm not out to anyone but the transcendental group, my clinical staff, and the Community Director (I thought she had to know when she was reassigning my housing) but I feel like that if I can start HRT before the new year, I could possibly start going full time at the start of next school year.
I know what you mean voice wise, I have to be really careful with mine or I get clocked straight away. When me and a friend went out drinking to cheer her up after a break up I forgot to pitch up when we were in a toilet stall together, instantly we overheard another girl asking where the man was, didn't give me a second look when we left the cubical though :) Hopefully a trip to Yeson next year will solve that little problem
It doesn't matter how many people you're out to. The important thing is that your out to yourself...I sorta knew back when I was a teen, told 1 friend friend back in 2009 but was too scared to admit the the truth completely until last year. Your doing awesome so far!
Quote from: Kaylee on November 01, 2013, 11:07:18 AMI know what you mean voice wise, I have to be really careful with mine or I get clocked straight away. When me and a friend went out drinking to cheer her up after a break up I forgot to pitch up when we were in a toilet stall together, instantly we overheard another girl asking where the man was, didn't give me a second look when we left the cubical though :) Hopefully a trip to Yeson next year will solve that little problem
It doesn't matter how many people you're out to. The important thing is that your out to yourself...I sorta knew back when I was a teen, told 1 friend friend back in 2009 but was too scared to admit the the truth completely until last year. Your doing awesome so far!
Would've been clocked by the credit card at CVS, used cash and had to borrow some. I'm already buying my friend a charger for their phone today as part of the repayment. I'm surprised the voice worked well enough. It wasn't great, but I was still afraid.
Fortunately I was alone in the bathroom last night :D
Yeson is a potential is nothing else works for me, it's on my plan as optional, post hormonal full effects, like any breast surgery that may need to be done in case growth isn't satisfactory or is too much (although I doubt the latter) but I'm waiting to see what all the hormones do first.
I wasn't 100% out to myself until maybe a month ago. I knew, but I couldn't every say that I was a woman. A man who wanted to be a woman, yes, but couldn't say I was a woman.
In fact, it was an insult (by a fellow MtF nonetheless!) calling me a "disgusting fetishist", saying I "don't know what it's really like to be a woman", that "joining the military made her realize she was a woman, and would make me realize I was a man", and that I "don't know what I'm getting myself into [the transition process]" to make me finally say that I am truly a woman, and these words can't hurt me.
And thanks! Of course, like anyone, I wish I was further along, but I know it takes time, and I'm proud of myself for making it this far already!
Quote from: Ксениа on November 01, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
Pic from last night. :) Best night of my life!!!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2FIMG957602.jpg&hash=a034b8fcbf122f046c2ced6a5dcf8b7d1c033f8f)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2F1378433_10152424173345715_1160230357_n.jpg&hash=f1202263647f0b4f3870afda2fcfdfca8cc9d257) (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2F1383763_10152424172075715_287666635_n.jpg&hash=b91437f4fabccb66526d42b8b6dca3ab22929b92)
You look great! That dress looks amazing on you.
Quote from: michelle666 on November 01, 2013, 11:40:28 AM
You look great! That dress looks amazing on you.
Thank you hunny
Quote from: Ксениа on November 01, 2013, 01:03:58 PMThank you hunny
It helps to slim down your shoulders. Looks great on you!
Quote from: Willow on November 01, 2013, 11:17:25 AM
In fact, it was an insult (by a fellow MtF nonetheless!) calling me a "disgusting fetishist", saying I "don't know what it's really like to be a woman", that "joining the military made her realize she was a woman, and would make me realize I was a man", and that I "don't know what I'm getting myself into [the transition process]" to make me finally say that I am truly a woman, and these words can't hurt me.
This sounds like an example of trans-sexism to me...
Quote from: Willow on November 01, 2013, 01:48:35 PM
It helps to slim down your shoulders. Looks great on you!
Yes, I agree, working on it slowly. I used to swim the 100 and 200 fly for my swim team so I have had a lot to get rid of. A lot of friends say the same thing, that my arms are too big.
Is this good enough to go out to eat tonight?
Or should I just stay at home. Had the top for a couple years, but oddly enough, never wore it, still had the tags on it even, lol.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi686.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv228%2Fjaime_r_d%2FIMG_20131101_162324_990.jpg&hash=dbf033ff55c8513a250f02fe69b47a44dca3ef51)
Sure big head horsey-face.....strangly the picture is making me think you should go to Cracker Barrell.
Quote from: Malachite on November 01, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
Sure big head horsey-face.....strangly the picture is making me think you should go to Cracker Barrell.
Cracker Barrel? I don't think I've been to one of those in years and years. It'll likely be either longhorn or olive garden tonight, depends on what the others want. Going with my boss and her niece.
Hopefully Longhorn!
Absolutely you can go out tonight!
Kisses
Quote from: big head horsey-face on November 01, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
Is this good enough to go out to eat tonight?
You look lovely, and your clothing is absolutely perfect for stealth. You won't be winning any drag shows but then, that's not the point is it? ;)
*hug* Go out and show the world your fabulous self! I'm more than a little bit jealous of how wonderfully womanly you look! :)
Quote from: big head horsey-face on November 01, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
Is this good enough to go out to eat tonight?
Or should I just stay at home. Had the top for a couple years, but oddly enough, never wore it, still had the tags on it even, lol.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi686.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fvv228%2Fjaime_r_d%2FIMG_20131101_162324_990.jpg&hash=dbf033ff55c8513a250f02fe69b47a44dca3ef51)
You look great Jaime!
So many great pics! Willow, Ксениа, Horsey... you all look gorgeous!
Thanks y'all. We ended up going to Longhorn and I brought some leftovers home to Jake, so he's happy too. I finally collected on the free meal that my boss's niece had promised me when I did her taxes at the beginning of the year, lol.
Quote from: big head horsey-face on November 01, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
Thanks y'all. We ended up going to Longhorn and I brought some leftovers home to Jake, so he's happy too. I finally collected on the free meal that my boss's niece had promised me when I did her taxes at the beginning of the year, lol.
Nice return on your investment and Jake scored!
Welp, might as well join the party...This was just over a month ago, pre-everything. Just some new clothes, a push-up bra, and some eyeliner. Working on the hair, atm!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8XJmgQh.jpg&hash=c5c7b663685a164672a3dfdeb963f5c63e50cff5)
Also, my hands aren't as freakishly large as they appear in this photo ._.
Pre everything?! You could have fooled me. You have a lovely smile BTW.
Your hands don't look 'freakishly large' and I think you are off to a good start already and will do quite well
Quote from: Nicole W on November 02, 2013, 01:49:17 AM
Welp, might as well join the party...This was just over a month ago, pre-everything. Just some new clothes, a push-up bra, and some eyeliner. Working on the hair, atm!
You have such a fantastic base to work from... You'll have no issues, and I think HRT will work magic on you. :)
Quote from: Willow on November 01, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
Fun haloween tonight, here's the results:
In my friend Carter's (genetic girl identifying as andro at times) dorm, they dolled me all up and came out with this, but forgot one little thing, boobs!:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWhmsJo1.jpg&hash=9ace8b082d6564bfa8aa559662cc3c588daec657)
Looking good Willow! Love it ;D
Quote from: Nicole W on November 02, 2013, 01:49:17 AM
Welp, might as well join the party...This was just over a month ago, pre-everything. Just some new clothes, a push-up bra, and some eyeliner. Working on the hair, atm!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8XJmgQh.jpg&hash=c5c7b663685a164672a3dfdeb963f5c63e50cff5)
Also, my hands aren't as freakishly large as they appear in this photo ._.
You look great Nicole :)
Quote from: Nicole W on November 02, 2013, 01:49:17 AM
Welp, might as well join the party...This was just over a month ago, pre-everything. Just some new clothes, a push-up bra, and some eyeliner. Working on the hair, atm!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8XJmgQh.jpg&hash=c5c7b663685a164672a3dfdeb963f5c63e50cff5)
Also, my hands aren't as freakishly large as they appear in this photo ._.
Sweet, and yes you could QT!
Here's my first attempt at passing! Thoughts?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zpsa8bbc4db.jpg&hash=d26be07fc07a40375a5da6ebcce4f8e11af3ec16)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zps1db941e3.jpg&hash=1b7be872ed95614384e11f28d9719f1ec0e58c98)
It was a great champagne color dress, and you cant really see, but the ankle boots had a 5" heel. I've never taken hormones at this point, and have had no cosmetic surgery.
Quote from: Abby on November 02, 2013, 11:47:59 AM
Here's my first attempt at passing! Thoughts?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zpsa8bbc4db.jpg&hash=d26be07fc07a40375a5da6ebcce4f8e11af3ec16)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zps1db941e3.jpg&hash=1b7be872ed95614384e11f28d9719f1ec0e58c98)
It was a great champagne color dress, and you cant really see, but the ankle boots had a 5" heel. I've never taken hormones at this point, and have had no cosmetic surgery.
Just naturally beautiful! I am happy for you dear, but there will be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth from the peanut gallery and rightfully so. Gee what a doll!
Youre too kind :)
After a year or so of HRT I'm going to look into a bit of FFS. Its mostly my chin and jawline I'm not happy with.
Quote from: Abby on November 02, 2013, 11:47:59 AM
Here's my first attempt at passing! Thoughts?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zpsa8bbc4db.jpg&hash=d26be07fc07a40375a5da6ebcce4f8e11af3ec16)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zps1db941e3.jpg&hash=1b7be872ed95614384e11f28d9719f1ec0e58c98)
It was a great champagne color dress, and you cant really see, but the ankle boots had a 5" heel. I've never taken hormones at this point, and have had no cosmetic surgery.
That is a gorgeous dress Abby!! You look lovely :)
Quote from: PaRaDeaD on October 28, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
I haven't posted here in ages but I'm getting more confident about passing so I figured it would be nice to get some opinions.
I apologize for the quality of the pictures, one was taken with webcam and the other one with my phone.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi43.tinypic.com%2F29pp2dc.jpg&hash=a161d0b9db996f7572efe3453183714175765c66)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi39.tinypic.com%2F33nbxat.jpg&hash=ea5e937caa31adfcf4f567b06de32462a41be7c4)
Oh my goodness, you are so cute!! You pass! You pass!
Quote from: EmilyGlass on October 21, 2013, 11:50:25 AM
Do you think I can pass? I'm pre-everything. I haven't started taking hormones or anything, hoping to start soon.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F2mydo8x.jpg&hash=8fc7ebab099f340ddb28eb1fecaa3d888fe86d71)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F23j0n6x.jpg&hash=6c79f3ab068b98a17bcd704fc64af309865e3244)
You remind me a Jamie Lee Curtis
Quote from: Bardoux on October 24, 2013, 05:14:55 PM
I've been on HRT for 8 months now and am getting a bit confused. I'm out to close friends and family but not out at work yet, and that means everyday i wonder around the city in male clothes, well at least clothes that i wore pre-transition as well. I'm getting the impression from people that regardless of how i am dressed they are seeing me as a transgendered person. I feel that i look in between at the moment, but i'm not sure how other people are reading me.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1284.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa579%2Fbardoux1%2F11_zps87fab01e.jpg&hash=4ed8572eb255dde87afd4475fee1b24249697d9b)
Some photo's of hair up, excuse the facial hair i had to grow it out for electrolysis
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1284.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa579%2Fbardoux1%2F12_zps2ae61a80.jpg&hash=54627756c8c376156193fbd9742165c5df24db14)
Your smiling pictures are really are beautiful, and you don't look "in between" at all in them. Part of passing is attitude. Let your inner girl shine!
Quote from: Grace_C on November 01, 2013, 07:11:35 PMSo many great pics! Willow, Ксениа, Horsey... you all look gorgeous!
Aw, thanks Grace :)
Quote from: Willow on November 01, 2013, 11:17:25 AM
I wasn't 100% out to myself until maybe a month ago. I knew, but I couldn't every say that I was a woman. A man who wanted to be a woman, yes, but couldn't say I was a woman.
In fact, it was an insult (by a fellow MtF nonetheless!) calling me a "disgusting fetishist", saying I "don't know what it's really like to be a woman", that "joining the military made her realize she was a woman, and would make me realize I was a man", and that I "don't know what I'm getting myself into [the transition process]" to make me finally say that I am truly a woman, and these words can't hurt me.
And thanks! Of course, like anyone, I wish I was further along, but I know it takes time, and I'm proud of myself for making it this far already!
How supportive! Sheesh! Everyone has their own experiences and feelings. Being trans is very unique for everyone. I too don't consider myself a woman, but in a year I might. I can get more into detail on that, but than I'd be seriously hijacking this thread because it would be a very long post XD
At any rate you be you, and don't listen to this person. They are obviously very bitter about their situation to attack you for being in the stage you are in. From the posts I've read of yours, you're a very caring kind person, and you deserve the same from your friends! <3
Proud of you and your progress keep your chin up girl!! ;)
Quote from: Harlow on November 03, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
How supportive! Sheesh! Everyone has their own experiences and feelings. Being trans is very unique for everyone. I too don't consider myself a woman, but in a year I might. I can get more into detail on that, but than I'd be seriously hijacking this thread because it would be a very long post XD
At any rate you be you, and don't listen to this person. They are obviously very bitter about their situation to attack you for being in the stage you are in. From the posts I've read of yours, you're a very caring kind person, and you deserve the same from your friends! <3
Proud of you and your progress keep your chin up girl!! ;)
Let me add my amen to what Harlow has said.
Don't know if this is an overtly boyish/androgynous look, but it's the best one I could find (since I made a clean slate on my database recently). 18 years old and due to start the psychological evaluation process in about a month. Personally, I see no need to pluck my eyebrows even though they might come across as a little thick.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg820.imageshack.us%2Fimg820%2F7861%2Fkcag.png&hash=1daf76de207d88100795356b58e76a5d66a2298b)
Quote from: Ilmari on November 04, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
Don't know if this is an overtly boyish/androgynous look, but it's the best one I could find (since I made a clean slate on my database recently). 18 years old and due to start the psychological evaluation process in about a month. Personally, I see no need to pluck my eyebrows even though they might come across as a little thick.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg820.imageshack.us%2Fimg820%2F7861%2Fkcag.png&hash=1daf76de207d88100795356b58e76a5d66a2298b)
You already look like a girl tbh Ilmari :) Had to check which thread i was on :P
Quote from: Ilmari on November 04, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
Don't know if this is an overtly boyish/androgynous look, but it's the best one I could find (since I made a clean slate on my database recently). 18 years old and due to start the psychological evaluation process in about a month. Personally, I see no need to pluck my eyebrows even though they might come across as a little thick.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg820.imageshack.us%2Fimg820%2F7861%2Fkcag.png&hash=1daf76de207d88100795356b58e76a5d66a2298b)
Yes, you will no doubt have an excellent outcome. You have a androgynously girlish face already, rather attractive attributes actually!
you'll be a very attractive woman ilmari..
Quote from: Bardoux on November 04, 2013, 08:59:36 AM
You already look like a girl tbh Ilmari :) Had to check which thread i was on :P
Ditto, you're gonna turn out great!!
Ilmari, I'd love to start out looking like you. As others have said, you're very androgynous to begin with. :)
Quote from: Abby on November 02, 2013, 11:47:59 AM
Here's my first attempt at passing! Thoughts?
Cute! ;D
I'm in - pass or blagh? (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FB0jMgzT.jpg&hash=008dbfa4dfa010dbfe07661bdd4199c05581e62f)
Yeah, you've got it pretty good. :)
Thanx Willow :)
I'm my own worst critic........comes with being an old broad I guess :/
Kelsie
Looks great to me, Kelsie.
Do you think the glasses help? I don't NEED glasses, but I could use them. I was thinking of getting a fashionable set especially if it added to my passing score...
Quote from: Magdalena on November 04, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
Looks great to me, Kelsie.
Do you think the glasses help? I don't NEED glasses, but I could use them. I was thinking of getting a fashionable set especially if it added to my passing score...
Having D&D flashbacks here. "These glasses give me a +5 to femininity!"
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1378320_234969539993385_677052521_n.jpg)
Sorry for the graininess of the pictures but what do you guys think of how I'm starting to look? Guess it is time for another picture update. Also I've been presenting as male for almost a month as I just haven't been feeling all that well with dressing lately. I keep taking my hormones because I need to keep going forward and I will feel just terrible mentally and physically if I stop taking them. Well on the positive side I'm so happy I found this hat and I think I look real cute in it =^_^=
Quote from: Abby on November 02, 2013, 11:47:59 AM
Here's my first attempt at passing! Thoughts?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zpsa8bbc4db.jpg&hash=d26be07fc07a40375a5da6ebcce4f8e11af3ec16)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu429%2Fandrewfl1%2Fnull_zps1db941e3.jpg&hash=1b7be872ed95614384e11f28d9719f1ec0e58c98)
It was a great champagne color dress, and you cant really see, but the ankle boots had a 5" heel. I've never taken hormones at this point, and have had no cosmetic surgery.
Pre-everything?!?! Holy guacamole! :o
Quote from: Ilmari on November 04, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
Don't know if this is an overtly boyish/androgynous look, but it's the best one I could find (since I made a clean slate on my database recently). 18 years old and due to start the psychological evaluation process in about a month. Personally, I see no need to pluck my eyebrows even though they might come across as a little thick.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg820.imageshack.us%2Fimg820%2F7861%2Fkcag.png&hash=1daf76de207d88100795356b58e76a5d66a2298b)
I think you already have andro down pat. If your goal is feminization, I don't think you will have many problems.
Girl vs Boy pics:
http://imgur.com/a/yoH3X (http://imgur.com/a/yoH3X)
Quote from: Chris29 on November 05, 2013, 09:23:03 AM
Girl vs Boy pics:
http://imgur.com/a/yoH3X (http://imgur.com/a/yoH3X)
No offence intended but I'm not sure which of those is supposed to be a boy...am I missing something?
Quote from: <3 on November 05, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
No offence intended but I'm not sure which of those is supposed to be a boy...am I missing something?
Ditto that!
Haha I always thought like I present in the last 3 pics is boymode. Or let's say androgynous. People are sometimes not sure of my gender then. xD
Guess I should rly go FT hmm?
I think you already have, whether by choice or not....at least as far as looks go.
Quote from: Chris29 on November 05, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
Haha I always thought like I present in the last 3 pics is boymode. Or let's say androgynous. People are sometimes not sure of my gender then. xD
Guess I should rly go FT hmm?
You really should. I agree with everyone else, I don't see a guy at all. Now stop posting in this thread and get over to the You Look Fabulous thread. ;)
amy
Haha thank you very much :)
I always didn't feel confident enough for the fabulous thread, but I give it a try :D
Well maybe it s time for FT, my little brother always told me that people we know always ask him what phase I m going through Oo And that some are like afraid or something.
Quote from: Chris29 on November 05, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
Haha thank you very much :)
I always didn't feel confident enough for the fabulous thread, but I give it a try :D
Well maybe it s time for FT, my little brother always told me that people we know always ask him what phase I m going through Oo And that some are like afraid or something.
You don't need confidence for the fabulous thread - it generates it for you :)
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on November 04, 2013, 11:51:38 PM
Pre-everything?!?! Holy guacamole! :o
Yep, no hormones, no FFS, nothing. I didn't really contour my face either, just a bit of blush/bronzed on the highest points of my apples. It's just me, a wig, some makeup, and a dress. Thank you for the compliment :)
Quote from: <3 on November 05, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
No offence intended but I'm not sure which of those is supposed to be a boy...am I missing something?
Seconded! ;)
Quote from: Genzen on November 05, 2013, 12:35:29 AM
So do I post my best or worst photos from the set? I went with my best.
I finally shaved my beard tonight and threw on this Halloween wig! No make up in these photos and no HRT yet.
I wish I could just go to work like this tomorrow :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg9%2F7742%2F5ylj.jpg&hash=909264f59f6e9c3ac83b96df47a1dccceb84011b)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg443%2F7244%2Foo7m.jpg&hash=28496a6643b4b787043bb24ae9a7f23e9559fa6e)
Since these kinda got buried under Jamie's post (and she has been well responded to) I thought I'd bring these back up... :)
You're looking lovely, Genzen... that is a lovely dress. I would gently suggest you find a better wig before going out and working hard to pass, but you have a lovely, slender frame and I really think that with a little work with makeup you could really pull it off! Remember, a HUGE part of passing is mannerisms and voice, so work on those too!
It might help if you can cultivate friendships with CIS females who will share their experiences and expertise... just by hanging around in the company of women I've picked up a *lot* :)
Thank you Robin, I was wondering if maybe everyone was taking if the if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all approach :)
Quote from: Genzen on November 05, 2013, 04:01:29 PM
Thank you Robin, I was wondering if maybe everyone was taking if the if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all approach :)
I don't think so... it was happening to me too, generally when someone else posted pics right after mine. It just gets lost in the feed sometimes!
I would certainly not presume you were a man if I saw you like that in a store... I might wonder about the quality of the wig, though. I wonder about my own, too... I really need to shop for better hair. ;)
Quote from: Magdalena on November 04, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
Looks great to me, Kelsie.
Do you think the glasses help? I don't NEED glasses, but I could use them. I was thinking of getting a fashionable set especially if it added to my passing score...
I think it does help, yeah. It helps people focus on your eyes for sure, vs other 'tells'.....here's one without the glasses so you can make your mind up
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FI5eLbYW.jpg&hash=4d3d7a4e4faf2352f7fcd9996470101283dc9ef3)
Quote from: Genzen on November 05, 2013, 12:35:29 AM
So do I post my best or worst photos from the set? I went with my best.
I finally shaved my beard tonight and threw on this Halloween wig! No make up in these photos and no HRT yet.
I wish I could just go to work like this tomorrow :)
Halloween wigs don't cut it honey.........you need to spend some time trying on some really good wigs, find the one that works for you. HRT and makeup always help out too :)
Quote from: Kristal on November 04, 2013, 11:38:17 PM
Having D&D flashbacks here. "These glasses give me a +5 to femininity!"
lol!!!! i think they do work/help :)
Quote from: Genzen on November 05, 2013, 12:35:29 AM
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Hi Genzen :)
What a fab dress! I really like it! I agree with Robin's suggestions. May I suggest a lace front wig? Sometimes they have a more natural looking hairline.
You have really nice cheekbones that would stand out a bit better with some make-up. (Please teach me when you master it-I can't use make-up to save my life! :P ) All in all, you're well on your way!
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 05, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
I think it does help, yeah. It helps people focus on your eyes for sure, vs other 'tells'.....here's one without the glasses so you can make your mind up
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FI5eLbYW.jpg&hash=4d3d7a4e4faf2352f7fcd9996470101283dc9ef3)
This one, whoa...total knock-out!
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 04, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
I'm in - pass or blagh? (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FB0jMgzT.jpg&hash=008dbfa4dfa010dbfe07661bdd4199c05581e62f)
You look just like an ex girlfriend of mine!
Thanks Ladies! Just feels that my progress is going so slowly......I know at my age it's going to take longer, but I had a lot of early changes then bam, nothing perceptible after that
Quote from: Kristal on November 04, 2013, 11:38:17 PM
Having D&D flashbacks here. "These glasses give me a +5 to femininity!"
I would totally spend my hard earned gold coins on +5 Glasses of Femininity. ;)
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 05, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
I think it does help, yeah. It helps people focus on your eyes for sure, vs other 'tells'.....here's one without the glasses so you can make your mind up
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FI5eLbYW.jpg&hash=4d3d7a4e4faf2352f7fcd9996470101283dc9ef3)
That doesn't help. You have gorgeous eyes, you look great without glasses. However, on your advice I think I will get them a try when the time comes, I could use that +5... Thank you. :D
So, I just put on makeup for the first time ever.
And while in the wig I have no doubt that I look female, (which is why the wigged pictures are over in the "fabulous" thread,) I'm still kind of doubting my potential to pass without the wig on. I've still never been gendered female without it. I've now been growing my hair out for 10 months, and 10 months on HRT is coming up in another 6 days, so here's what I look like wearing makeup for the first time, but without the wig.
How am I coming?
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Carrie I like the top pic more. Both are great but I think I like the more relaxed face that you have there.
My, how you've changed, Carrie. In fact, your profile pic resembles my aunt!
I hope you ladies don't mind one of the lads commenting here, but Carrie, you look lovely even without the wig ;) You have that nice wave to your hair that many girls dream of having, I'm looking forward to seeing when it is even longer! And I know this might be a bit soon, but congratulations on your soon 10 months on HRT :)
And KelsieJ? I love your eyes! Just... Don't give me puppy eyes, I am sure I would have trouble resisting those.
And last, but not least! Genzen, I think you could really rock out a light smokey eye, some nice shade to show of those nice cheek bones you have, and perhaps a light pink lip gloss. (I have three sisters who have given me a lot of make up tutorials...) And I also want to note, that dress you are wearing seems to give you a nice shape around the waist as well :) You really suit it.
Good job on the make up. Just need to fluff your natural hair a bit and no one will ever guess you're not fem by pics.
Quote from: Genzen on November 05, 2013, 12:35:29 AM
So do I post my best or worst photos from the set? I went with my best.
I finally shaved my beard tonight and threw on this Halloween wig! No make up in these photos and no HRT yet.
I wish I could just go to work like this tomorrow :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg9%2F7742%2F5ylj.jpg&hash=909264f59f6e9c3ac83b96df47a1dccceb84011b)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg443%2F7244%2Foo7m.jpg&hash=28496a6643b4b787043bb24ae9a7f23e9559fa6e)
You know what? The wig sort of ruins the effect, but you have potential - love the smile.
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 05, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
I think it does help, yeah. It helps people focus on your eyes for sure, vs other 'tells'.....here's one without the glasses so you can make your mind up
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FI5eLbYW.jpg&hash=4d3d7a4e4faf2352f7fcd9996470101283dc9ef3)
Before I realized it was you, my first that was, "Who is that silent film era actress. I know I've seen her before."
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on November 05, 2013, 10:32:23 PM
You know what? The wig sort of ruins the effect, but you have potential - love the smile.
I like the wig....but yeah, not sure its the best for passing.
Quote from: Carrie Liz on November 05, 2013, 07:53:31 PM
So, I just put on makeup for the first time ever.
And while in the wig I have no doubt that I look female, (which is why the wigged pictures are over in the "fabulous" thread,) I'm still kind of doubting my potential to pass without the wig on. I've still never been gendered female without it. I've now been growing my hair out for 10 months, and 10 months on HRT is coming up in another 6 days, so here's what I look like wearing makeup for the first time, but without the wig.
How am I coming?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Faca3kl.jpg&hash=fd8e1bd47194216bbf257e90f5ffae2c80ae6613) (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2Fv60pp3.jpg&hash=fb9c2c4fe3b7412bea928b6b33340b33f5b2a57d)
I am getting a 1920's vibe from your look in these pics Carrie, I can definitely see you in a Miss Marple of Hercule Poirot story, film, tv series.
Quote from: EmeraldPerpugilliam on November 05, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
I am getting a 1920's vibe from your look in these pics Carrie,
(Grabs a long pointy cigarette holder, some red lipstick, and a skimpy flapper dress... ;))
And Christine, Willow, and LordKAT, thank you! And Dalex, thank you too! I'm also REALLY looking forward to finally having it grown out. I've been wanting long hair for my entire life! I can't wait! :D
What do you think ?
First time postng any pics..... pre everything...
Just playing arround..
28y/o
anyway...
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sorry ... somehow.. I can't manage to post my pics... but here is the URL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/107810741@N02/10703165695/
Quote from: Inazuma on November 06, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
sorry ... somehow.. I can't manage to post my pics... but here is the URL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/107810741@N02/10703165695/
Girl, you have the makings to be one HOT mama! You should move over to the "fabulous" thread immediately! :)
Quote from: Inazuma on November 06, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
sorry ... somehow.. I can't manage to post my pics... but here is the URL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/107810741@N02/10703165695/
Inazuma, you're stunning! Such beautiful eyes...
SUPER DOUBLE PASS with a cherry on top! ;D
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 05, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
Thanks Ladies! Just feels that my progress is going so slowly......I know at my age it's going to take longer, but I had a lot of early changes then bam, nothing perceptible after that
That only means you're already there. :) In the picture with your glasses on it wouldn't even occur to me to doubt you're anything but completely female. I live in a very strict and unforgiving area regarding gender roles and presentation so that strictness and scrutiny has grown on me, and I can't find any reason to doubt your sex.
Also, I think that in the b&w pic you're a classic femme (and I'm not referring to the clothing or the photo processing-but your facial features).
Hugs, Vanya.
Quote from: Ilmari on November 04, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
Don't know if this is an overtly boyish/androgynous look, but it's the best one I could find (since I made a clean slate on my database recently). 18 years old and due to start the psychological evaluation process in about a month. Personally, I see no need to pluck my eyebrows even though they might come across as a little thick.
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I don't think you're likely to pass... by anyone without them getting a whiplash.
It's not boyish at all, you look like a girl in a plain Tee. Utterly feminine at that. Best luck on your journey!
Quote from: Genzen on November 05, 2013, 12:35:29 AM
So do I post my best or worst photos from the set? I went with my best.
I finally shaved my beard tonight and threw on this Halloween wig! No make up in these photos and no HRT yet.
I wish I could just go to work like this tomorrow :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg9%2F7742%2F5ylj.jpg&hash=909264f59f6e9c3ac83b96df47a1dccceb84011b)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg443%2F7244%2Foo7m.jpg&hash=28496a6643b4b787043bb24ae9a7f23e9559fa6e)
With some rhinoplasty you will be just fine. :)
Only thing I see is needing some fat in the face, well and a real wig.
Quote from: Dalex on November 05, 2013, 08:34:53 PM
And KelsieJ? I love your eyes! Just... Don't give me puppy eyes, I am sure I would have trouble resisting those.
I bat my eyes when I'm in trouble, lol!!
Quote from: Inazuma on November 06, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
sorry ... somehow.. I can't manage to post my pics... but here is the URL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/107810741@N02/10703165695/
You have an awesome head start :)
Quote from: LittleV on November 06, 2013, 01:19:09 PM
That only means you're already there. :) In the picture with your glasses on it wouldn't even occur to me to doubt you're anything but completely female. I live in a very strict and unforgiving area regarding gender roles and presentation so that strictness and scrutiny has grown on me, and I can't find any reason to doubt your sex.
Also, I think that in the b&w pic you're a classic femme (and I'm not referring to the clothing or the photo processing-but your facial features).
Hugs, Vanya.
Yay!!! Thanks Vanya :)
Quote from: JulieVB on November 04, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
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Sorry for the graininess of the pictures but what do you guys think of how I'm starting to look? Guess it is time for another picture update. Also I've been presenting as male for almost a month as I just haven't been feeling all that well with dressing lately. I keep taking my hormones because I need to keep going forward and I will feel just terrible mentally and physically if I stop taking them. Well on the positive side I'm so happy I found this hat and I think I look real cute in it =^_^=
Julie, I just noticed your post that got buried a couple of pages back there.
Your facial features are coming along AMAZINGLY. Your skin has gotten so soft, and everything has smoothed out so well, and you just have a fantastic bone structure in terms of the position and proportions of your cheeks and chin. You're there once your hair grows out. Seriously. That's the only thing keeping you from being gendered female right now. (Well, and maybe the male t-shirt, but whatever.)
And yeah, I agree, you definitely are starting to look real cute. With those pinchable cheeks, your smile just really lights up.
You're going to do great! This setback of yours is just a minor roadblock. Keep at it, and don't give up!
Quote from: Silvermist on November 06, 2013, 12:44:28 AM
Girl, you have the makings to be one HOT mama! You should move over to the "fabulous" thread immediately! :)
thanx :D Silvermist & Shaina! :)
Quote from: JulieVB on November 04, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
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Sorry for the graininess of the pictures but what do you guys think of how I'm starting to look? Guess it is time for another picture update. Also I've been presenting as male for almost a month as I just haven't been feeling all that well with dressing lately. I keep taking my hormones because I need to keep going forward and I will feel just terrible mentally and physically if I stop taking them. Well on the positive side I'm so happy I found this hat and I think I look real cute in it =^_^=
I very much agree with Carrie! Your looking great, and a really delicate chin as well. Hope your well Julie :)
Thanks guys, I'm really starting to notice all the changes that have been happening especially since switching to injections in August and having my estrogen through the roof and T down to female levels. That goal is to get my hair twice as which I'll show off when I get home. Also I'm looking for a pretty andro to femme look. And btw the Led Storeroom shirt I got on is my favorite shirt I'm the whole widest world lol
Quote from: LordKAT on November 06, 2013, 03:08:53 PM
Only thing I see is needing some fat in the face, well and a real wig.
You know, I see this happen a lot here. I think members are looking for honest opinions, and in many cases get sugar-coated replies. In this case you have to be honest and say that women don't have noses like this. It's a dead giveaway. This is also true for myself.
Makeup, clothes and wigs can make many of us look somewhat more feminine, but not passible. This includes myself. Let's not be delusional! We need to be honest and see what parts need fixing, because the truth is for the majority of us, our faces are too masculine. People can be polite and not say anything to you in public, but they still know.
For myself, I have no plans on trying to pass without some FFS, because I'm not going to set myself up that way. It's bad for the self image and it can be dangerous to your safety. I try not to make myself look stupid! ;)
That's my 2 cents and in no way meant to be harsh.
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
You know, I see this happen a lot here. I think members are looking for honest opinions, and in many cases get sugar-coated replies. In this case you have to be honest and say that women don't have noses like this. It's a dead giveaway. This is also true for myself.
Makeup, clothes and wigs can make many of us look somewhat more feminine, but not passible. This includes myself. Let's not be delusional! We need to be honest and see what parts need fixing, because the truth is for the majority of us, our faces are too masculine. People can be polite and not say anything to you in public, but they still know.
For myself, I have no plans on trying to pass without some FFS, because I'm not going to set myself up that way. It's bad for the self image and it can be dangerous to your safety. I try not to make myself look stupid! ;)
That's my 2 cents and in no way meant to be harsh.
I dunno, you pass pretty well as a middle aged woman in your profile pic.
Quote from: Willow on November 07, 2013, 10:58:20 AM
I dunno, you pass pretty well as a middle aged woman in your profile pic.
Thanks. I think it's just a good angle. And lots of makeup. Other photos from the same night weren't very good IMO. I did fool a lot of people, some that even know me. But I still want to have work done. Mostly my nose, lips and probably my brow and maybe my chin/jaw. And I need a facelift. lol
Thankfully I'm short and small, so my frame offsets the more masculine facial features (which I don't really have much of), and not having grown taller prevented the large brow bossing, etc.
I'm curious to see how my face changes on E, but the nose has to go!
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 11:03:05 AM
Thanks. I think it's just a good angle. And lots of makeup. Other photos from the same night weren't very good IMO. I did fool a lot of people, some that even know me. But I still want to have work done. Mostly my nose, lips and probably my brow and maybe my chin/jaw. And I need a facelift. lol
Thankfully I'm short and small, so my frame offsets the more masculine facial features (which I don't really have much of), and not having grown taller prevented the large brow bossing, etc.
I'm curious to see how my face changes on E, but the nose has to go!
From seeing your profile pic I'll be honest to you. One try and be a bit more subtle on the makeup, lots of it doesn't mean you'll pass. Also FFS surgery will do wonders, go to a reputable surgeon and have them take a look at you to give a professional opinion. Depending on your breast growth implants may help a lot but wait until you've on hormones for four years or so to get the maximum natural breast growth. Lastly I haven't heard you speak but work on your voice, a lot of the time it will make our beak you. Just my two cents for older gals :]
I agree w/ Julie about the makeup.
Blue eyeshadow can be alluring. But, if your goal is to pass, a more natural white/tan/brown palette will bring out your femininity even more.
I am a HUGE fan of the Urban Decay Naked Basics palette:
http://www.sephora.com/naked-basics-palette-P376213
Recently I just got the bobbi brown "Shimmer Brick" and while a bit more $$, I love it even more:
http://www.sephora.com/shimmer-brick-bronze-P270545
Quote from: JulieVB on November 07, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
From seeing your profile pic I'll be honest to you. One try and be a bit more subtle on the makeup, lots of it doesn't mean you'll pass. Also FFS surgery will do wonders, go to a reputable surgeon and have them take a look at you to give a professional opinion. Depending on your breast growth implants may help a lot but wait until you've on hormones for four years or so to get the maximum natural breast growth. Lastly I haven't heard you speak but work on your voice, a lot of the time it will make our beak you. Just my two cents for older gals :]
It was Halloween. I was on stage with a band. It was not meant to be subtle. :) I was also very rushed putting it on. I'm actually good with makeup. ;D
I really wasn't trying to pass, but I wanted the costume to look good. Surprisingly I fooled quite a number of people. That made me feel great.
Also, that photo shows a shadow under my eye which looks like makeup. I took that in the bathroom mirror of the club we were playing on right after I put my wig on. :)
This one is better (with my Hello Kitty flu mask). We look like the Village People on acid!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2FLIP%2520Halloween.jpg&hash=de745ac7299952d09177ba53cbca825429a14cd0)
As far as my voice, it's not particularly masculine, but I have a very wide range, so I can talk really deep or high. My natural speaking voice is borderline, kind of like a woman with a deep voice. I think the thing was people who know me then recognized me when they heard me.
I am working on vocal training, and since I have a high singing voice, that's both a blessing and curse, since my break point between head and falsetto is rather high. I can do a fairly convincing female voice, but I think it needs more work. I just started recently. At the Halloween show I was not trying to talk like a woman. I'm trying to get the vocal training to work since I might be able to continue singing, but if I don't like my voice I'll probably get surgery, and in that case have to learn how to sing all over again. :-\ Oh joy. I think I can avoid that however.
The only person related with the band that knows I'm trans is the keyboard player's girlfriend.
This is her and I. Everyone wanted to pose with me. lol
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I'm my worst critic. :P
Quote from: Jennygirl on November 07, 2013, 12:36:47 PM
I agree w/ Julie about the makeup.
Blue eyeshadow can be alluring. But, if your goal is to pass, a more natural white/tan/brown palette will bring out your femininity even more.
It was actually purple and blue, and silver. ;) Not what I would wear in day-to-day life, but maybe at night... you also have to realize I have a big blue streak in the front of my hair, and my nose and both ears are pierced. I dress unconventionally. I would be exactly the same way if I grew up female. I always stood out like a sore thumb, which is funny since I was always shy. But I'm just your typical artist/musician aging punk rocker. lol
This was 4 am, when I got home and took the wig off. So this is pretty much how I look everyday, only with makeup and flat hair from the wig.
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Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 02:08:36 PM
This one is better (with my Hello Kitty flu mask). We look like the Village People on acid!
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Yeah, right away I was going to say The Village People! ;D
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 02:08:36 PM
The only person related with the band that knows I'm trans is the keyboard player's girlfriend.
This is her and I. Everyone wanted to pose with me. lol
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I'm my worst critic. :P
You really looked pretty cute there girl!
Quote from: Shantel on November 07, 2013, 02:21:16 PM
Yeah, right away I was going to say The Village People! ;D
You really looked pretty cute there girl!
Thanks! It as the most fun I have had in many years. And the first time I felt like myself in a very long time. I was married for nine years, and while I loved my wife, it was very hard trying to play the part. She liked my feminine side though, and when I sprung the news on her said that's what she always liked about me. She was very supportive until she got worried about me traumatizing our eight year old daughter. Then she got kind of hostile. I think she's getting used to it though.
One of the band member's girlfriend's had no idea it was me. I've known her for like 4 years. When she was leaving she said "You make a really pretty girl. I hope that's OK to say" Ha! If only she knew... The keyboard player (the guy with the purple hair) said I looked great and should dress that way all the time. I agree! I'm curious what everyone's reaction is going to be when I tell them, but I think a few have suspicions, probably based on some of my friends on FaceBook. They got used to the plucked brows and nail polish, so....
There's only been a few times my height bothered me growing up, but now I'm happy being small, and I have great legs if I do say so myself... Now I just have to do something about this nose... lol
I started HRT just one month ago and I am still on boy mode...trying to let my hair get longer and such.
I know I can't pass as a female now...but, I would like to know if my face is too masculine...what are my chances for the future and what can I do to get a more feminine looking? ;D
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Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 02:28:42 PM
I have great legs if I do saw so myself..
Uh - yeah, I was going to mention that but didn't want you getting a big head over it. :D
Quote from: Natalia on November 07, 2013, 02:57:26 PMI started HRT just one month ago and I am still on boy mode...trying to let my hair get longer and such.
I know I can't pass as a female now...but, I would like to know if my face is too masculine...what are my chances for the future and what can I do to get a more feminine looking? ;D
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From what it looks like, you're not too bad off. You do look like you could use a hairline operation.
Quote from: Natalia on November 07, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
I started HRT just one month ago and I am still on boy mode...trying to let my hair get longer and such.
I know I can't pass as a female now...but, I would like to know if my face is too masculine...what are my chances for the future and what can I do to get a more feminine looking? ;D
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg203.imageshack.us%2Fimg203%2F166%2F1jek.jpg&hash=ae65f88dfaadd6fe80b70fa33328320237905751)
Your forehead/brow and overall shape of your face are good. Nice lips too. The two things I see are the hairline and your nose needs a reduction in size.
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
For myself, I have no plans on trying to pass without some FFS, because I'm not going to set myself up that way. It's bad for the self image and it can be dangerous to your safety. I try not to make myself look stupid! ;)
That's my 2 cents and in no way meant to be harsh.
You know, you look like a cisgender woman I know if that's you to the left there.......yeah, cisgender :)
Quote from: Natalia on November 07, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
I started HRT just one month ago and I am still on boy mode...trying to let my hair get longer and such.
I know I can't pass as a female now...but, I would like to know if my face is too masculine...what are my chances for the future and what can I do to get a more feminine looking? ;D
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg203.imageshack.us%2Fimg203%2F166%2F1jek.jpg&hash=ae65f88dfaadd6fe80b70fa33328320237905751)
Your hairline might not come down but it should fill out a little more. You might need to have the hairline adjusted. Brow bossing doesn't look too bad....your face should round out a little and soften, making it less male shaped......a little FFS and plenty more HRT and you'll be fine :)
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 06, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
I bat my eyes when I'm in trouble, lol!!
That's cheating! ... Well, what works, works, right? :P
Quote from: Dalex on November 07, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
That's cheating! ... Well, what works, works, right? :P
*blink, blink, blink - looks up*
snicker :P
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 07, 2013, 04:53:59 PM
You know, you look like a cisgender woman I know if that's you to the left there.......yeah, cisgender :)
Yeah that's me, and you wouldn't think so if you saw me without makeup and the wig. But hey, what do I know? A friend on FaceBook said I look like his old art teacher, which was a women. Maybe I just don't like the way I look???
So thank you, I'll take that as a compliment. :)
And you look like my ex girl friend!
Just in case you don't believe me.... you two could be sisters. It's freaky!
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Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 05:36:42 PM
Yeah that's me, and you wouldn't think so if you saw me without makeup and the wig. But hey, what do I know? A friend on FaceBook said I look like his old art teacher, which was a women. Maybe I just don't like the way I look???
So thank you, I'll take that as a compliment. :)
And you look like my ex girl friend!
Just in case you don't believe me.... you two could be sisters. It's freaky!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2Fdd.jpg&hash=61575873edd2327539191c555ca252aa56b9fbae)
Definitely meant that as a compliment, and thank YOU for the compliment :)
She's very pretty. There is a *teeny-tiny* resemblance........I can see where you think that.
You know who she looks like to me? (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages5.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F31500000%2FDeborah-debbie-harry-31503941-365-550.jpg&hash=45976de87c4d20360ed52bf857d88d9cb8b8fc38)
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 07, 2013, 10:49:09 PM
Definitely meant that as a compliment, and thank YOU for the compliment :)
Yes, it was totally a compliment, and you are welcome.
QuoteShe's very pretty. There is a *teeny-tiny* resemblance........I can see where you think that.
You have to see her in person. I just tried to find a photo, but she looks a lot like your profile picture here. She's probably also a bit older than you too. :) We were a couple a long time ago.
QuoteYou know who she looks like to me?
That photo isn't showing up, but I see it's Debbie Harry from the link...
So I relinked it:
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Funny thing is her name is Debbie and she is a singer.
This was our band, the Jetsonz, in 1981:
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Ah to be 23 again... ;)
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 11:19:06 PM
Yes, it was totally a compliment, and you are welcome.
You have to see her in person. I just tried to find a photo, but she looks a lot like your profile picture here. She's probably also a bit older than you too. :) We were a couple a long time ago.
Funny thing is her name is Debbie and she is a singer.
This was our band, the Jetsonz, in 1981:
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Ah to be 23 again... ;)
Ah, yes, she's a little older, doing the math, but not that much from where I am now in the first picture you posted. I'm a little old to be doing this, but oh well....
I was also in music, but at the very tail end of the decade.....and when that collapsed, ended up doing emo in early 2000s, lol! I had my fun though, and survived it, as did you apparently :)
Always thought Debra Harry was great :)
I got involved in music in younger days also and met quite a few famous people, unfortunately only about half of them are still alive :'(
None the less it was quite an adventure, had a really great time while it lasted 8)
Okay, time to get back on topic
Hugs
Hi everyone :) I'm a long time lurker but this is my first post.
I'm pre-everything, about to start therapy, and my girlfriend and I decided to see what I'd look like with a little makeup. I know I obviously don't pass but I figured I'd still post to see some opinions on if I could once I start HRT and have something other than crappy cheap makeup and a single brush lol :)
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Quote from: KelsieJ on November 07, 2013, 11:28:31 PMI'm a little old to be doing this, but oh well....
Not as old as me! ;) But we are doing it, and that's good.
OK back on topic. :)
Quote from: V M on November 07, 2013, 11:46:17 PM
I got involved in music in younger days also and met quite a few famous people, unfortunately only about half of them are still alive :'(
Yes, me too! It's very sad. I once made a list of all the famous bands we opened up for in the 80s, and how many of those artists where dead! Some times more than one in a band (like with Wall of Voodoo).
Glad I'm still here! ;D
Quote from: Sectastic on November 08, 2013, 12:58:21 AM
Hi everyone :) I'm a long time lurker but this is my first post.
I'm pre-everything, about to start therapy, and my girlfriend and I decided to see what I'd look like with a little makeup. I know I obviously don't pass but I figured I'd still post to see some opinions on if I could once I start HRT and have something other than crappy cheap makeup and a single brush lol :)
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I think you have a good starting point and shouldn't have much problem :)
Quote from: Jennygirl on November 07, 2013, 12:36:47 PM
I agree w/ Julie about the makeup.
Blue eyeshadow can be alluring. But, if your goal is to pass, a more natural white/tan/brown palette will bring out your femininity even more.
I am a HUGE fan of the Urban Decay Naked Basics palette:
http://www.sephora.com/naked-basics-palette-P376213
Recently I just got the bobbi brown "Shimmer Brick" and while a bit more $$, I love it even more:
http://www.sephora.com/shimmer-brick-bronze-P270545
Make-up is one of my biggest worries so this helps rather a lot. Thanks, Jenny!
Quote from: Sectastic on November 08, 2013, 12:58:21 AM
Hi everyone :) I'm a long time lurker but this is my first post.
I'm pre-everything, about to start therapy, and my girlfriend and I decided to see what I'd look like with a little makeup. I know I obviously don't pass but I figured I'd still post to see some opinions on if I could once I start HRT and have something other than crappy cheap makeup and a single brush lol :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.postimg.org%2F43241h4jl%2Fimage.jpg&hash=b2a08bc79bf820e816553d84be3e64ce508a0a99)
You will do fine - HRT will soften your features. Your makeup needs some work - Sephora will teach you for free
Quote from: V M on November 07, 2013, 11:46:17 PM
Always thought Debra Harry was great :)
I got involved in music in younger days also and met quite a few famous people, unfortunately only about half of them are still alive :'(
Same here. Back in my WB days bout half the people I knew when I was 19 are dead or dealing with major substance abuse problems. Nearly all the rest made extremely poor choices back in the day that left them pretty much penniless as a consequence, mostly through not understanding management contracts. I walked away from my recording contract rather than be a pawn in someone else's game. Back to the subject here.........
Quote from: Sectastic on November 08, 2013, 12:58:21 AM
Hi everyone :) I'm a long time lurker but this is my first post.
I'm pre-everything, about to start therapy, and my girlfriend and I decided to see what I'd look like with a little makeup. I know I obviously don't pass but I figured I'd still post to see some opinions on if I could once I start HRT and have something other than crappy cheap makeup and a single brush lol :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.postimg.org%2F43241h4jl%2Fimage.jpg&hash=b2a08bc79bf820e816553d84be3e64ce508a0a99)
You are looking pretty good already, feminine mouth, lips, chin and jawline, you have a lot of potential! Perhaps a full face and side view photo will enable the others here to do a better critique. Welcome to Susan's!
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 07, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
You know, I see this happen a lot here. I think members are looking for honest opinions, and in many cases get sugar-coated replies.
This. I wonder - whats the purpose of this thread - is it a feelgood pep-talk thread or is it supposed to be honest? I have seen a couple of times where I just disagreed with the almost ubiquotous "you are looking great" answer but did not rally dare to say anything to not be a downer...
Quote from: anjaq on November 08, 2013, 08:09:35 AM
This. I wonder - whats the purpose of this thread - is it a feelgood pep-talk thread or is it supposed to be honest? I have seen a couple of times where I just disagreed with the almost ubiquotous "you are looking great" answer but did not rally dare to say anything to not be a downer...
I would want a completely honest opinion by people who know. I find that girls like us are overly-critical about our looks, but that it's actually helpful because we tend to see 'little things' that can be changed to make a real difference, when those on the outside just look at the big picture.
If I need serious FFS, I would want someone to tell me. For instance, no one pointed out my chin, which I know is the big problem area on my face, and my naso-labial folds. My body is completely wrong, but when it's closer to where it should be, you can bet I'll want some honest opinions as to what else I need to change, because it helps. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, I want the straight dope :)
That's a good point. I think when I posted my picture earlier everyone went a little easy on me. Maybe it was the picture itself (videos would work better to determine how well someone actually presents as female), but in practice I really can't pass as female. With a little FFS work here and there, and getting my voice to the point where it sounds more female I think I could pass without issue, but as it stands I'm confusingly androgynous at best. Dressing more femininely would help, but frankly I would want to be able to pass as female even in the most masculine clothes I could find.
On the other hand, you'd hate to say something that would discourage someone unnecessarily. One picture usually doesn't tell the whole story. Even if someone has a few things that need work, it's possible that in practice they pass better than the picture they posted makes it seem. Or at least, there are non-surgical things they could do that would put them comfortably inside passing territory. If someone just needs FFS to pass and that's all there is to it, there's nothing wrong with saying so. Just don't nitpick about every minor imperfection you see. I'm sure all of us have at least a thing or two that could use a little work, and ultimately it's not constructive to point out every minor flaw someone has when all it would take is a few minor improvements in order to pass.
Quote from: anjaq on November 08, 2013, 08:09:35 AM
This. I wonder - whats the purpose of this thread - is it a feelgood pep-talk thread or is it supposed to be honest? I have seen a couple of times where I just disagreed with the almost ubiquotous "you are looking great" answer but did not rally dare to say anything to not be a downer...
That was my question too. I feel bad about telling someone that certain features are very male and need fixing, but that's what you need to hear if that's what you need. It's part of many trans women's realities. Most of the time it's fixable too, but unfortunately cost money.
I sure wouldn't want someone telling me I'm passing only to be "clocked" in the real world.
(as an aside, I hate that we use these dumb drag queen terms like "clocked" and even "coming out." I'd like to distance myself from that culture, not that there's anything wrong with it... but it's a different mind set.)
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 08, 2013, 09:18:12 AMFor instance, no one pointed out my chin, which I know is the big problem area on my face, and my naso-labial folds.
I don't see them as a "big" problem. Your small nose offsets your chin. Your chin is borderline, and doesn't look out of place to me. I see women with similar chins all the time. But it's all about what YOU want.
I feel the same way about my chin... it might be fine, and I might want it pointier. I don't know. I like long narrow faces. I might be atypical, but it wouldn't bother me if after I had FFS people didn't recognize me. I think some FFS is too subtle, especially with noses. For spending all that money I don't want to find out later that it looks like almost nothing was done. And at the same time don't want to look like Latoya Jackson. lol
Quote from: KelsieJ on November 08, 2013, 09:18:12 AM
I would want a completely honest opinion by people who know. I find that girls like us are overly-critical about our looks, but that it's actually helpful because we tend to see 'little things' that can be changed to make a real difference, when those on the outside just look at the big picture.
If I need serious FFS, I would want someone to tell me. For instance, no one pointed out my chin, which I know is the big problem area on my face, and my naso-labial folds. My body is completely wrong, but when it's closer to where it should be, you can bet I'll want some honest opinions as to what else I need to change, because it helps. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, I want the straight dope :)
I usually give my honest opinion, but I don't pretend to be an expert on facially feminine features and usually complement what I think is attractive though not everyone may think those same attributes are attractive at all. I refrain from replying to some photos that someone who is just plain butt ugly put up because some folks are really emotionally fragile and after all this is a support forum and we don't want anyone becoming depressed and harming themselves out of a sense of hopelessness. There are others that post photos every week, I usually respond the first time and don't care to over inflate anyone's egos beyond that. Meanwhile, you'll not see my photo there because I'm as homely as ever and refuse to expose you to the feeling that you need to be polite.
I'll be honest in threads like this I prefer kind honesty. You can tell someone what they don't pass and what they can do without being mean and/or overly critical. I think the key here is that we need honesty, support and tips of what we can do to progress in our transition. Compliments are definitely welcome when see progress but I don't think we should sugar coat this because at least how I think that this is a more serious picture thread.
I personally know that I don't pass but that my face and body are really beginning to feminise well, my friends and therapist always tell me.
Maybe what we need is some sort of objective rating system. How about this?:
5/5: 100% pass. It would be impossible for you to be considered male, even if you tried.
4/5: Mostly pass. You pass, but there are still things you could do that would improve your passability.
3/5: Borderline pass. You can pass at least some of the time, but you're still going to get clocked if someone looks at you critically.
2/5: Not quite pass. You don't pass, but you're not a lost cause. It could just be that you're not trying hard enough in your presentation, or you may need a little work done to smooth out your masculine features.
1/5: No pass. The bad news is that you don't pass. The good news is that FFS is an option, and almost anyone can pass if they get the right work done.
I think that would be a fair way to let someone know where they stand, without being mean or discouraging. It may seem demeaning to turn your ability to pass into a number on a scale, but I think most people will be appreciative to have real and meaningful feedback. And of course you should always be sure to let someone know what their positive points are and what they need to work on.
If makeover TV shows (and movies like Mrs Doubtfire & Tootsie) have taught me anything it's that with the right help, look, presentation and mindset then a person can look stunning and completely different. It's a shame there isn't a makeover show for trans* people because it would prove that with the right attention to detail anyone (yes, anyone) can pass. I'm loathe to say whether anyone can pass from just a few photos, I've mentioned elsewhere that passing is so much more than how you look - it's posture, presentation, wardrobe, attitude, confidence, etc. The most gorgeous gal might look like she could pass 100% and yet she walks like construction worker with the posture of a cave man. Many photos make it so hard to judge - glum, dimly lit, over posed, odd angles, tightly cropped or only part of the face, pre-HRT... so who am I to say if someone "could pass"? Like I said, I think pretty much anyone could pass with the right attention to the right details. Can they pass 100%? Probably not, there are people out there who notice stuff like that because they are trans* themselves or because they're ->-bleeped-<-s or whatever. There are some very fragile people on this forum, some of them because of their gender dissonance, some due to other issues - so I'd be loathe to say to anyone they couldn't pass based on a few pics...
Quote from: Grace_C on November 08, 2013, 12:50:55 PM
If makeover TV shows (and movies like Mrs Doubtfire & Tootsie) have taught me anything it's that with the right help, look, presentation and mindset then a person can look stunning and completely different. It's a shame there isn't a makeover show for trans* people because it would prove that with the right attention to detail anyone (yes, anyone) can pass. [snipped]
Of all the things on this page this really caught my eye. Yes! I vote for this to happen. With FFS, hip and breast implants free of charge for all the participants! ;D
But on topic of the late arguement, why couldn't one blend honest with encouraging reply so as to make the best of both ways?
I don't know but think there is middle ground to be met here somewhere.
While I like receiving a supportive and conducive reply myself, I don't want to have the truth conceiled from me only to learn it the harder way.
People who advocate for encouragement fear being unkind to make a completely honest answer, but honesty doesn't equal unkindness.
Neither does too much encouragement automatically mean good.
I can't elaborate any further, but I hope someone will understand what I'm getting at.
In short: overly encouragement =/= support*, honesty =/= bluntness.
*not always
I edited the post, accidentaly used the wrong word there, sorry.
Quote from: LittleV on November 08, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
Of all the things on this page this really caught my eye. Yes! I vote for this to happen. With FFS, hip and breast implants free of charge for all the participants! ;D
Where do I sign up? :)
QuoteBut on topic of the late arguement, why couldn't one blend honest with encouraging reply so as to make the best of both ways?
I agree, and this is what I try to do. I haven't seen a photo posted yet where it was "no way, you are hopeless!" But I do look for the positive features and what needs work. :)
Some girls needs hardly any and some need more.
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
Quote from: truetranssoulrebel on November 08, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
The only man I see in that picture is the little pic of Oscar Wilde on the book. You look great.
Quote from: truetranssoulrebel on November 08, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
Just need to stop seeing the man, I still have that problem too!
I have so many people telling me to shut up I have a very feminine face- I just never can see it. I always see the face of a guy.
In the end I know I'm a woman though, so whatevs. :P
Quote from: truetranssoulrebel on November 08, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
I see a little bit of it left. But not too much. Give it just a little bit longer, you're looking great so far!
Hi, i was wondering if you think i'd pass?
Please be honest and tell me the truth.
I look crap cause no makeup and a horrible wig lol.
Thanks
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/108147818@N06/
Will you? I think that's the wrong question to ask
Do you already pass? Yes!
Thanks :)
I haven't had anything done and i also haven't started hrt
Sometimes a different angle on a picture can bring out some of the issues you might have. From that photo alone though, I see no issues at all.
You're right, but I thought i looked quite manly in that picture thanks though! :)
Here's one with full makeup
http://www.flickr.com/photos/108147818@N06/10753134236/
No, you don't pass.
Not as (male name) anyway...LOL
:)
But as a woman? Yeah, pretty good.
LOL Thankyou! :))
I think you do you look great so jealous
Emily.T xx
Thanks emily! :)
You are one very pretty lady. Love your lips.
HRT will transform you totally.
You are a very lucky girl. Congratulations!!
Thankyou so much Cindy! Really, it means a lot.
I hope to start HRT soon, my first appointment is in feb next year!
So excited! ;D
p.s I'm so jealous of those legs!
Quote from: truetranssoulrebel on November 08, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
You really do look lovely and a big difference from when you started. Very pretty x
You all look wonderfull!
Here's me
http://www.flickr.com/photos/108147818@N06/10753134236/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/108147818@N06/10753189823/in/photostream/
I haven't started any hormones or anything yet
Quote from: diamondforever on November 09, 2013, 12:10:40 AM
You all look wonderfull!
Here's me
http://www.flickr.com/photos/108147818@N06/10753134236/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/108147818@N06/10753189823/in/photostream/
I haven't started any hormones or anything yet
Oh my! Those lips! I really, really like your look in the first photo. Beautiful x
Haha! Thanks! You look amazing! Love your eyes and hair! I can't wait to start hormones
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 08, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
Where do I sign up? :)
Nowhere for now, but my hopes run high as always that something like this will happen. In the similar vein, I've always hoped that someone would approach me and say "Hey, we're doing a medical research on the effect of high dosages of estrogen on males. The participants would run a high risk of irreparably destroying their masculinity. Want in?" Yes, pleeeeassse... :P
I'm derailing this thread. :-\
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 08, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
I agree, and this is what I try to do. I haven't seen a photo posted yet where it was "no way, you are hopeless!" But I do look for the positive features and what needs work. :)
That's the exact proper measure, but I sense that most are fearful of going proper lengths beyond the positive part. When I posted my pictures here years ago I got the feeling people were being too kind to me so as not to offend me. I'm not pro brutal honesty and bluntness, but I'd like a more sincere and constructive feedback. And yes, no one can tell from a couple of pics if someone passes or not for sure, but we're supposed to give our opinion on what we see there, not what we don't.
I feel like I'm dragging this arguement too far. I'm sorry for that, I just needed to get this point out.
I don't know if I pass or not, or if I will be able to in the future. I've been taking hormones for 2 and a half months, and it's a relatively low dosage. Will I pass as female in the future?
My kinda lame attempt at smiling
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A side pic
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And one with my hair "back"
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Quote from: <3 on November 09, 2013, 04:05:40 PM
I don't remember if I've posted this. Sorry for the crappy camera quality.
No makeup, no hormones
In my opinion you'll pass just fine. An eyebrow trim alone will make a huge difference, and that's to say nothing of what HRT and make-up will do.
Quote from: riversong on November 09, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
I don't know if I pass or not, or if I will be able to in the future. I've been taking hormones for 2 and a half weeks, and it's a relatively low dosage. Will I pass as female in the future?
My kinda lame attempt at smiling
You have overally soft features and a small skinny body as far as I can tell. The flash from the camera brings out the nose so I don't know if that is an issue, although in the side pic it doesn't seem like one. Those eyes and lips will definitelly give you a good headstart.
Two and a half weeks is still too early days, but changes will come gradually over time, and you're gonna love and cherish them.
Love, Vanya.
Quote from: LittleV on November 09, 2013, 04:29:54 PM
You have overally soft features and a small skinny body as far as I can tell. The flash from the camera brings out the nose so I don't know if that is an issue, although in the side pic it doesn't seem like one. Those eyes and lips will definitelly give you a good headstart.
Two and a half weeks is still too early days, but changes will come gradually over time, and you're gonna love and cherish them.
Love, Vanya.
Oops, I meant to say 2 and a half months!
@riversong, Well, I thought I spotted a difference that made me doubtful as to the length you said you were on HRT, and it was the eyes. They're slowly becoming a girl's eyes; even though I haven't seen your before picture I can definitely see it.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi138.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq252%2Fkoutetsutenshi%2Fbr13_zpsccb70758.jpg&hash=4502ca25fdd0976dcaa748ae695a6c551b5ae3ef) (http://s138.photobucket.com/user/koutetsutenshi/media/br13_zpsccb70758.jpg.html)
Quote from: Hideyoshi on November 09, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
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I like the tousled hair style on you hon, looking good and kinda sexy.
Quote from: Shantel on November 10, 2013, 08:37:33 AMI like the tousled hair style on you hon, looking good and kinda sexy.
Indeed ;)
Hideyoshi, The way you have your hair & that look is sensually smoking hot young Lady!
Riversong, I am getting the female vibe from Your pics - especially the first one, where You are smiling :). Relax - smiling will come easier the longer You will be on the HRT :) - it wont be a forced attempt anymore :). In the last pic I am picking something up too, but You seem overally startled in that one which throws in wrong accents. But, in general, You are doing just fine and You only need more time on female hormones.
Quote from: Hideyoshi on November 09, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
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Very cute!
As is often the case, have your nose done and you will look 100% IMO.
Hideyoshi - I cant really understand why are You posting in this thread. IMO, You should only post in Before/After or Fabulous thread.
I mean, there are no doubts that You pass and look like female :)
Quote from: Hideyoshi on November 09, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
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Alright, you're probably worried about the nose, right? Trust me, you look great. It doesn't make you look male, there's too much other stuff going on. I rather like the aquiline nose as a feature, but it takes a certain kind of face to pull it off. Baseline, if you want to change it, that's your prerogative.
Now, you go on and get out of here! Go to the Fabulous thread, you silly girl!
Quote from: Kristal on November 10, 2013, 02:10:41 PM
Now, you go on and get out of here! Go to the Fabulous thread, you silly girl!
Yes I've seen many photos of you here, and you definitely pass time to move on to the fabulous thread ;)
Quote from: Kristal on November 10, 2013, 02:10:41 PM
Alright, you're probably worried about the nose, right? Trust me, you look great. It doesn't make you look male, there's too much other stuff going on. I rather like the aquiline nose as a feature, but it takes a certain kind of face to pull it off. Baseline, if you want to change it, that's your prerogative.
Now, you go on and get out of here! Go to the Fabulous thread, you silly girl!
She looks very good, but I'd spot her in a minute because of the nose. Even if I thought it was a cisgender woman with a prominent nose, that attracts attention and makes people wonder.
I've said it before, but the usual thing I see that makes me think it's not a cisgender female is the nose. This is no exception. She looks like a feminine looking guy.
The rest of her face is adorable, and I love the bangs. :) Bangs make everyone cuter.
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 02:19:49 PM
She looks very good, but I'd spot her in a minute because of the nose. Even if I thought it was a cisgender woman with a prominent nose, that attracts attention and makes people wonder.
I've said it before, but the usual thing I see that makes me think it's not a cisgender female is the nose. This is no exception. She looks like a feminine looking guy.
The rest of her face is adorable, and I love the bangs. :) Bangs make everyone cuter.
Your point is valid, and I think everyone here would agree having her nose done would seal the deal for sure. But the point some of us are trying to make is that plastic surgery can correct anyone's flaws. Yes she has a prominent nose but so do many cis woman, and with her looks, unless it really bothers her, doesn't need to go to the extremes of plastic surgery like some others do
Quote from: Harlow on November 10, 2013, 02:33:58 PM
Your point is valid, and I think everyone here would agree having her nose done would seal the deal for sure. But the point some of us are trying to make is that plastic surgery can correct anyone's flaws. Yes she has a prominent nose but so do many cis woman, and with her looks, unless it really bothers her, doesn't need to go to the extremes of plastic surgery like some others do
I understand that. But the question here is "do I pass as a female?" That implies would anyone spot her as a transgendered woman. I'm saying yes, I would spot her. I would also spot you and myself too, and a lot of other girls here. So this isn't about "am I attractive," it's more about would you pass 100%. I wouldn't call it a flaw, I would call it something that detracts from looking female.
The gender markers that generally need work are the nose, jawline and brow. Do some women have large noses? Yeah, they do. Do they look good with large noses? Not usually. If that's the only male like feature on the face, then you might get away with it. That is the case here, and she has a cute face, but maybe I'm just more sensitive to looking at faces.
I'm just using the question "Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?" and not making a comment on attractiveness. She's attractive. So are you. But do we look like women? People say I'm attractive too. But in real life I don't pass. On Halloween I had on what you see in my profile pic. I look OK there, but one of the guys in my band said I should leave on the flu mask because I looked more feminine that way! So the problem was my nose. This was a guy who knows nothing about me being transgendered and only knows I did not look like a female to him as a straight guy. Here, we expect that everyone is trans. In the real world people don't. There are different expectations. And that was Halloween, where there is another set of expectations.
This is meant to be good natured, honest constructive criticism. I would want someone to do the same with me. :)
I think what we want to avoid at all cost is looking like Jamie Farr in drag on M.A.S.H. lol Luckily most people's noses are not that large.
Re noses, If anyone saw the M*A*S*H tv series think Klinger played by actor Jamie Farr from an interview I know he was sensitive about the big shnozola and I am about mine), my Mom had his nose & I inherited it. My Dad had an aquiline nose, I wish I had that & would prefer to have that when I get in femme mode. I didn't see any mention from Hideyoshi's post about her nose. Hideyoshi, your nose looks fine. The nose knows.
Jamie
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 02:51:11 PM
I understand that. But the question here is "do I pass as a female?" That implies would anyone spot her as a transgendered woman. I'm saying yes, I would spot her. I would also spot you and myself too, and a lot of other girls here. So this isn't about "am I attractive," it's more about would you pass 100%. I wouldn't call it a flaw, I would call it something that detracts from looking female.
I wasn't implying that you were judging her harshly, just that you already stated your opinion about her nose already. I didn't think because people complimented her after your post that you had to reiterate your opinion again, as it wasn't a debate, just difference in opinion.
I understand that this thread is to be 100% honest and you were, and that is fine.
Just clarifying my thoughts, and am dropping it as it's not that big of a deal, just trying to explain myself not create an argument ;)
Hmm, after sleeping on it and looking at the picture again, the shadow from my hair at the top of the nose makes it look like it has a bump to it at the top. It doesn't.
I know my nose is big, but I'm not overly concerned about it. I can't afford the two and a half kidneys for the hippopotamusplasty, so I have to deal with it now
sorry for causing a ruckus lol I'll slither back into my hole >.<
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 03:19:52 PM
Maybe someone can comment on my post......
Without hormones, no. With hormones, very much so. You have rounded features which will mellow out on HRT nicely.
One thing that will help right away is to pluck your eyebrows and grow your hair out.
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 03:19:52 PM
Maybe someone can comment on my post......
I commented on yours (in case you didn't see it).To add to it though I just want to say that in my opinion, contrary to conventional wisdom, it helps not to factor your hair too heavily into the passability equation. Reason being your face is the important thing, it's the thing people will be looking at, and a passable face with long hair is still passable without long hair, and an unpassable face without long hair is still unpassable with long hair. So hair really isn't as important as you may think. Of course, it does help and you definitely want to grow it to a typical female length.
That said, with an eyebrow trim I think you have a pretty passable face already :)
Quote from: Hideyoshi on November 10, 2013, 03:15:34 PM
Hmm, after sleeping on it and looking at the picture again, the shadow from my hair at the top of the nose makes it look like it has a bump to it at the top. It doesn't.
I know my nose is big, but I'm not overly concerned about it. I can't afford the two and a half kidneys for the hippopotamusplasty, so I have to deal with it now
sorry for causing a ruckus lol I'll slither back into my hole >.<
You are cute, and have a nice face. Can I have your lips? lol I can see where the angle of the photo might cause you to look different.
I meant no offense, I'm just giving my opinion on an area that folks here often seem to gloss over.
You don't need two kidneys for rhinoplasty. One would be more than enough! ;D And believe me, I looked into the legalities of selling kidneys! lol No such luck. :-\
Behold, a terrible self photograph taken with a cell phone camera! Truly, my journey to womanhood is complete...
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I took this last night after my birthday dinner.
Note to self: Never again wear lipstick while eating...
I agree in many ways with RavenMoon, please stop giving her a hard time. Transition is f*ing hard, we all know that, and yes it's nice to hear compliments from people to bolster yourself against the crap that could come your way throughout the day in regards to one's passability. At the end of the day though, i at least came to this thread with the question of Do I or could I pass as female? And i for one would like to hear honest opinions because quite frankly i am not comfortable at this point calling out the next person on the tube who decides to stare me out, and asking them what they see.
Maybe we should start another thread with a title along the lines of photos to share with the community. The you look fabulous thread seems a little too daunting to me, and i have this assumption that i must pass first in order to post there, as if it's a promotion.
I get clocked sooooooo many times throughout the day each day, and whilst i really appreciate people's kind comments to my photos, balanced opinions would be appreciated. I actually refrain from posting at the moment on some threads because i don't want to hurt people's feelings and be the only posting what seemingly is a negative comment and being jumped upon.
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 03:59:27 PMIt's a little depressing to hear that I'll never pass, but I asked the question and wanted an honest answer.
Nobody said you'd never pass!
You have soft features and should go on HRT :)
Quote from: Bardoux on November 10, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
you look fabulous thread seems a little too daunting to me, and i have this assumption that i must pass first in order to post there, as if it's a promotion.
From what I gather and have seen on that thread, it's the I'm happy with the way things are going and here is a picture of me being happy. I myself only posted one picture in there so far, and it was because my partner commented on how "smexy" I looked :P I don't think it's you must look 100% passable female in order to post, anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
And last I'm going to mention this (honest), I wasn't coming at RavenMoon that what she said was wrong or harsh. She was very honest in her first post about male features, which is exactly what people are looking for, 100% honesty with no BS. It was just that she felt that she had to repeat her same critique after quite a few compliments which I thought was unnecessary. Let the girl take into consideration the critique and then read a few compliments and enjoy them and just leave it at that.
Again just clarifying that I'm not coming at anyone, lets all drop this and move on. Like I said before not a big deal. Nothing more to comment on but the next posters picture :angel:
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 05:40:46 PM
Maybe I should start a passing thread in the non-transitioning forum.
That I think is actually a good idea, if you don't plan on starting HRT. I was reading it the same way when I read your post about thinking you'd never pass.
I agree too, that you have very soft round features and I can definitely see some potential. If you're not planning on HRT it is all about the styling. I would definitely have your brows done, grow the hair out, and with styling and makeup techniques I think you'd look very feminine :)
EDIT* And just looking at your hair now, I would brush it forward and wear it in a pixie style. It would look really cute. Kind of like Robyn (Pic)
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Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 05:50:35 PM
But do I have any hope of passing as female? I know I have a better starting point than a lot of other people, so if the answer is no, it's not the end of the world.
I do think it is possible :)
Quote from: Harlow on November 10, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
That I think is actually a good idea, if you don't plan on starting HRT. I was reading it the same way when I read your post about thinking you'd never pass.
I agree too, that you have very soft round features and I can definitely see some potential. If you're not planning on HRT it is all about the styling. I would definitely have your brows done, grow the hair out, and with styling and makeup techniques I think you'd look very feminine :)
EDIT* And just looking at your hair now, I would brush it forward and wear it in a pixie style. It would look really cute. Kind of like Robyn (Pic)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popjustice.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F10%2FRobyn-black-and-white.jpg&hash=7a5377f6d0aba90d0c24e9af12d44275adba6a6e)
Good comments, I couldn't agree more. Glad someone has a good eye for what would work for her, I'm not good at that and should probably not comment on this thread, but I want to be positive and not discourage someone with this much potential.
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 06:08:41 PM
Don't worry too much about discouraging me. Whether or not I'm going to end up passing, I'm still going to move forward, just want to be realistic about the end result is all. Its nice to hear you think I have potential though :)
I know what I like, but I'm a dork when it comes to these critiques.
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
And if I can't/don't want to go on HRT?
I'm puzzled by this. This is the MTF form. The members here are currently or are planning to transition from male to female. This is a permanent process where you are altering the appearance and sexual characteristics of your body to that of a female. You cannot do this without going on hormone therapy. Otherwise you are just a cross dresser wanting to look like a female. That's fine, but I think it's safe to say that isn't what this forum is about.
Even professional (as in entertainers) cross dressers rarely look like cisgender women. The few that do are just lucky to look that way.
So just out of curiosity, what are your goals and motivation?
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
Heyy, everyone, just created a new vid and not really sure how well I'm passing now that I've been off HRT for 4 months:
When I look at this video, I see multiple traits that inhibit passing...would rather not name them, tho, lol. It's not soo important, anymore, cause I'm primarily living as a boy, but I would still like to look like a girl when presenting as a girl. Opinions? Be brutally honest, please don't sugarcoat, I work off criticism!
Whatever those traits are you're talking about, I don't see them. I think you look fine. Though I can see you as a guy (basically you look like a girl who looks like a girl, could pass for a guy if she presented as one, if that makes any sense).
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
I'm puzzled by this. This is the MTF form. The members here are currently or are planning to transition from male to female. This is a permanent process where you are altering the appearance and sexual characteristics of your body to that of a female. You cannot do this without going on hormone therapy. Otherwise you are just a cross dresser wanting to look like a female. That's fine, but I think it's safe to say that isn't what this forum is about.
Even professional (as in entertainers) cross dressers rarely look like cisgender women. The few that do are just lucky to look that way.
So just out of curiosity, what are your goals and motivation?
Wow....that's pretty harsh. As for answering your question, thanks, but no thanks, I'll just take my business elsewhere if I'm not "allowed" to post in here. Bye now.
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
I'm puzzled by this. This is the MTF form. The members here are currently or are planning to transition from male to female. This is a permanent process where you are altering the appearance and sexual characteristics of your body to that of a female. You cannot do this without going on hormone therapy. Otherwise you are just a cross dresser wanting to look like a female. That's fine, but I think it's safe to say that isn't what this forum is about.
Even professional (as in entertainers) cross dressers rarely look like cisgender women. The few that do are just lucky to look that way.
So just out of curiosity, what are your goals and motivation?
If I could disagree, there is a LOT more to being transgender than HRT, so choosing not to undergo HRT hardly seems like it means someone isn't transgender. If you feel that you are a woman inside, and choose to present and live as one 24/7 for the rest of your life, then that sounds like a transwoman to me, HRT or not.
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
Heyy, everyone, just created a new vid and not really sure how well I'm passing now that I've been off HRT for 4 months:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1fNBq2-kY
When I look at this video, I see multiple traits that inhibit passing...would rather not name them, tho, lol. It's not soo important, anymore, cause I'm primarily living as a boy, but I would still like to look like a girl when presenting as a girl. Opinions? Be brutally honest, please don't sugarcoat, I work off criticism!
You know that I know you and everything I told you previously still stands regardless of how you desire to present, you know that you can be a gay boy or be a woman without any effort. Just be aware that if you intend to fool someone at some place in the future it could become a life threatening experience for you. Your Auntie Shan still thinks you are a sweetie regardless, so use good sense.
Quote from: riversong on November 10, 2013, 06:41:44 PM
If I could disagree, there is a LOT more to being transgender than HRT, so choosing not to undergo HRT hardly seems like it means someone isn't transgender. If you feel that you are a woman inside, and choose to present and live as one 24/7 for the rest of your life, then that sounds like a transwoman to me, HRT or not.
Exactly it's how you present yourself on the outside and how you feel on the inside among a thousand other things.
Quote from: <3 on November 10, 2013, 06:38:19 PM
Wow....that's pretty harsh. As for answering your question, thanks, but no thanks, I'll just take my business elsewhere if I'm not "allowed" to post in here. Bye now.
Please sit and stay awhile, you have every right to be here and post. I'm sure it came off differently than she meant, I think she just wants to understand more where you are coming from.
Quote from: Harlow on November 10, 2013, 06:51:04 PM
Exactly it's how you present yourself on the outside and how you feel on the inside among a thousand other things.
Please sit and stay awhile, you have every right to be here and post. I'm sure it came off differently than she meant, I think she just wants to understand more where you are coming from.
It's okay, I started a new thread for the "crossdressers who want to look female"
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
I'm puzzled by this. This is the MTF form. The members here are currently or are planning to transition from male to female. This is a permanent process where you are altering the appearance and sexual characteristics of your body to that of a female. You cannot do this without going on hormone therapy. Otherwise you are just a cross dresser wanting to look like a female. That's fine, but I think it's safe to say that isn't what this forum is about.
Even professional (as in entertainers) cross dressers rarely look like cisgender women. The few that do are just lucky to look that way.
So just out of curiosity, what are your goals and motivation?
Susan's Place is an inclusive transgender site and Cross dressers are part of that group, let's keep the Site Terms of Service and rules to live by (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,2.0.html) in mind when posting
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Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
Heyy, everyone, just created a new vid and not really sure how well I'm passing now that I've been off HRT for 4 months:
Only because you opted for brutal honesty, I'll say I spotted
two one of those (only). It's low facial fat which reduces your score to about
92% 95% pass. And with that voice I can't see how you can possibly pass as male. 100%, no one would doubt you unless something else than your looks, voice and mannerism betrayed you.
I edited my post so as to give a just assessment to her, since I was wrong about the other feature.
Quote from: LittleV on November 10, 2013, 07:08:35 PM
And with that voice I can't see how you can possibly pass as male. 100%, no one would doubt you unless something else than your looks, voice and mannerism betrayed you.
I know I'm jealous of that voice! Mine is so monotone and kind of deep, meh :-\
Quote from: Harlow on November 10, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
I know I'm jealous of that voice! Mine is so monotone and kind of deep, meh :-\
You wouldn't want to wake up to mine in the mornings either.
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 07:15:41 PM
Yeppp, that's one of the ones I was thinking, it makes my face look like...overly chiseled or something? I was on HRT for about 4 months 3 months ago and it reaaally helped in that dept, to the point where everyone commented on how full my face had gotten...ohh welll, lol. It's not as bad/noticeable with makeup/contouring (I had a nude face in that vid). What's the other trait? Also, hmm, my height betrays me because I'm approx. 5'11, but I have a very feminine/hourglass shape so much so it's a bit of a turnoff to gay guys sometimes :p
I honestly feel like at this point in time, even though I have no immediate plans to retransition one day...it's still a distinct possibility. So comments like yours help in deciding!
Not so much as chiselled, no. It's more of a thing how your skin looks, the lack of subcutaneous fat makes your skin sort of fold more than it should. Note the creases at the ends of your mouth. And also it makes your cheeks look a bit flat. But you're still very much passable.
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Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 07:15:41 PM
I honestly feel like at this point in time, even though I have no immediate plans to retransition one day...it's still a distinct possibility. So comments like yours help in deciding!
Such as I, I started at 22/23 and now am starting again at 35. I however definitely need the help HRT provides, I think you basically have IT, you just needed the refining HRT provides.
However I too understand the feelings of being more comfortable in the gender fluid/queer aspect. It all came clear though that I feel way more feminine and want to present that as much as possible. I have been in a "gay" relationship for 9 years though, and with his acceptance (thank God) I finally feel free to transition with no doubts. Family will be another can of worms, but in my personal life with work and my partner and IRL I feel wonderful about my transition. Which is a comfort I definitely did NOT have when I was 22/23 and therefore quit HRT.
I hope you happiness and acceptance in whatever you choose <3
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
When I look at this video, I see multiple traits that inhibit passing...would rather not name them, tho, lol. It's not soo important, anymore, cause I'm primarily living as a boy, but I would still like to look like a girl when presenting as a girl. Opinions? Be brutally honest, please don't sugarcoat, I work off criticism!
You want "brutal honesty." Okay then.
I have three daughters, age 27 to 19. I know my daughter's friends. I coached girl's soccer teams. I have seen lots and lots of teenaged girls interacting.
You fit right in.
I am sorry of that is not the criticism you are looking for, Stephanie/Seth. But it is my honest opinion based on dealing with teenaged girls for the past 14 years. :)
Why is that (having to make a choice of one or the other)? It may not be your nature!
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
I'm puzzled by this. This is the MTF form. The members here are currently or are planning to transition from male to female. This is a permanent process where you are altering the appearance and sexual characteristics of your body to that of a female. You cannot do this without going on hormone therapy. Otherwise you are just a cross dresser wanting to look like a female. That's fine, but I think it's safe to say that isn't what this forum is about.
Even professional (as in entertainers) cross dressers rarely look like cisgender women. The few that do are just lucky to look that way.
So just out of curiosity, what are your goals and motivation?
Raven, let me ask you a question, if I may.
Cross-hormone therapy only became available in the 1930s. Are you suggesting before that time, there were no male-to-female transsexuals? And if there were male-to-female transsexuals before then, why must one use HRT to be seen as MtF now?
So, this is me pre-HRT. I'd really appreciate people's honest feedback and suggestions.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2Fcrosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg&hash=00e7cf2c02a92406652d7eac98a3aba2e9ab9866) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/crosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg.html)
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Quote from: RavenMoon on November 10, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
I'm puzzled by this. This is the MTF form. The members here are currently or are planning to transition from male to female. This is a permanent process where you are altering the appearance and sexual characteristics of your body to that of a female. You cannot do this without going on hormone therapy. Otherwise you are just a cross dresser wanting to look like a female. That's fine, but I think it's safe to say that isn't what this forum is about.
Even professional (as in entertainers) cross dressers rarely look like cisgender women. The few that do are just lucky to look that way.
So just out of curiosity, what are your goals and motivation?
MTF transsexual simply means a male who on the inside feels female. This does not always mean they need/want/ pursue HRT or SRS. Everyone is different, so are transsexual people.
Quote from: Just Gwynne! on November 10, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
So, this is me pre-HRT. I'd really appreciate people's honest feedback and suggestions.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2Fcrosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg&hash=00e7cf2c02a92406652d7eac98a3aba2e9ab9866) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/crosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg.html)
Good starting point! You look happy and ready. Congratulations.
The comment about non-HRT [therefore] non-MtF is startling. I know of at least one member here who has very successfully transitioned sans HRT, and you'd never guess it in a heartbeat.
Also there are plenty of non-op people wishing to keep their sexual function the way it is and have decided against taking estrogen. That doesn't at all mean that they don't fall within the MtF category.
I dislike the labelling and shelving of people who are deemed crossdresser vs. trans woman. Some people don't fall into either category. While motives may be different, I think we all share enough in common to last us a lifetime.
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on November 10, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
Heyy, everyone, just created a new vid and not really sure how well I'm passing now that I've been off HRT for 4 months:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1fNBq2-kY
When I look at this video, I see multiple traits that inhibit passing...would rather not name them, tho, lol. It's not soo important, anymore, cause I'm primarily living as a boy, but I would still like to look like a girl when presenting as a girl. Opinions? Be brutally honest, please don't sugarcoat, I work off criticism!
Edit: Heck watching the video again, i edited out the comment about slightly less subcutaneous fat, you really do look like a pretty woman and i can't see anything that would say otherwise! x
OK.
I will not tolerate people suggesting in anyway that members of our community are in anyway different or less or inadequate because of their preferences.
I will not allow anyone to suggest '->-bleeped-<-r' than thou.
That there are at least two members who feel so aggrieved that they have withdrawn from this thread is intolerable.
I will not allow that to happen.
I am, as you may guess, very angry.
For Goddess sake we are a support site. Think what your posts do to other people. Think how hurt they feel to be rejected by members of their family.
Cindy
[I rant while another Mod did all the hard work (Thanks Sis)]
Quote from: Just Gwynne! on November 10, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
So, this is me pre-HRT. I'd really appreciate people's honest feedback and suggestions.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2Fcrosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg&hash=00e7cf2c02a92406652d7eac98a3aba2e9ab9866) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/crosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg.html)
So cute! And you're pre-HRT? You got lucky, girl. I can see beard shadow in some of the pics, but other than that, I wouldn't peg you for male if we met on the street.
Anywho, it seems my pic got buried under the storm of
ahermaderp, so here it is again.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q80/s720x720/1461777_606962329364028_339260618_n.jpg)
In regards to the storm of
ahermaderp, I'd like to say that HRT does help, if you're trying to stay inside the binary. Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe we need an androgyne section or something... I'm heading directly over to the other side, and I know HRT has helped tremendously. Perhaps it's more mental than physical right now, but hopefully my body will catch of with my mind soon.
BUT not everyone wants to use it, and not everyone CAN use it. It's the same as non-op. I wouldn't want to do it, but I can understand people who don't. Their different transition methods don't invalidate mine, nor vice versa.
Quote from: Just Gwynne! on November 10, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
So, this is me pre-HRT. I'd really appreciate people's honest feedback and suggestions.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2Fcrosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg&hash=00e7cf2c02a92406652d7eac98a3aba2e9ab9866) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/crosslegged_zps66ff119d.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2FG_sidelean_zps8cd1f769.jpg&hash=ab5efb7c1476d7d1a91fecf3227e659b9d933088) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/G_sidelean_zps8cd1f769.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2FG_headshot_zps7070dab7.jpg&hash=7ac87878d8015188e6f88292a5e334565ebccd38) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/G_headshot_zps7070dab7.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2Fchair_lean_zpsdc4b9cdc.jpg&hash=6667560f8353841d070fb1a42917d7536a3e1a33) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/chair_lean_zpsdc4b9cdc.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1031.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy376%2Fjust_gmjm%2FG_sweater_zpsd867605a.jpg&hash=ff022271d4f4e69f3233091568ffc4abdaf6139d) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/just_gmjm/media/G_sweater_zpsd867605a.jpg.html)
You have very soft features to start with and already have some breasts pre-hrt. Lovely cheekbones as well. You have a great starting base hun x
Quote from: Kristal on November 11, 2013, 04:56:50 AM
So cute! And you're pre-HRT? You got lucky, girl. I can see beard shadow in some of the pics, but other than that, I wouldn't peg you for male if we met on the street.
Anywho, it seems my pic got buried under the storm of ahermaderp, so here it is again.
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q80/s720x720/1461777_606962329364028_339260618_n.jpg)
In regards to the storm of ahermaderp, I'd like to say that HRT does help, if you're trying to stay inside the binary. Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe we need an androgyne section or something... I'm heading directly over to the other side, and I know HRT has helped tremendously. Perhaps it's more mental than physical right now, but hopefully my body will catch of with my mind soon. BUT not everyone wants to use it, and not everyone CAN use it. It's the same as non-op. I wouldn't want to do it, but I can understand people who don't. Their different transition methods don't invalidate mine, nor vice versa.
You have a cute face Kristal! And i hope you had a wonderful birthday :) Your body does look very sturdy atm and thick upper torso, but no doubt with time and HRT that should change and soften out. x
Quote from: riversong on November 09, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
I don't know if I pass or not, or if I will be able to in the future. I've been taking hormones for 2 and a half months, and it's a relatively low dosage. Will I pass as female in the future?
My kinda lame attempt at smiling
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fx8kMxyr.jpg&hash=198841fd5fcbe803577a80e40e3bc9147c62cd6a)
A side pic
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And one with my hair "back"
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fc85tvaK.jpg&hash=ca083c81ae658f17e052771fb235dd95ccdcb077)
I can totally see the woman! Give it some more time and you'll be very feminine imo.
Quote from: Just Gwynne! on November 10, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
So, this is me pre-HRT. I'd really appreciate people's honest feedback and suggestions.
Hey gorgeous! I think you look great!
Once you get going on electrolysis and are on HRT for awhile, I think you'll only get more beautiful. :)
I've deleted my posts from this thread. If you quoted me, please remove your posts as well.
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on November 11, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
I believe one of the biggest reasons for confusion has been the overly broad use of the "transsexual" label with regard go every type of MtF. I am not sure <3 identifies as MtF TS as I do seem to recall one of the previous posts suggesting something more closer to androgynous presentation. At the same time, we can have CD MtF (at least, You Tube is full with such videos), TV MtF (if there is any difference...) and simply "boy to girl MtF transformations" where only makeup is involved. And then there is, of course, the overall TG MtF label.
I know that HRT is relatively new invention and there were without doubts TS individuals before the 1930, but this probably should not be applied to novadays, when such treatment is available. Indeed, there is a huge difference between "not being able to" and "not wanting to", but both those limitations does not prevent someone to identify as TG.
And skipping back to previous routine.
Stephany/Seth - I dunno how to refer to You now... probably under both names, lol? :) You look great and happy and it is good to see You around here again :).
We will have to agree to disagree on this, but I in no way was trying to insult anyone or imply they don't belong here. I said that too. So everyone, forgive me if I seemed out of line. I was just trying to understand the motivation behind it. :)
Labels are dumb and everyone is on a similar but different journey to the same party. So let's all have some cake? :)
Hope we are still still friends.
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on November 11, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
I believe one of the biggest reasons for confusion has been the overly broad use of the "transsexual" label with regard go every type of MtF. I am not sure <3 identifies as MtF TS as I do seem to recall one of the previous posts suggesting something more closer to androgynous presentation. At the same time, we can have CD MtF (at least, You Tube is full with such videos), TV MtF (if there is any difference...) and simply "boy to girl MtF transformations" where only makeup is involved. And then there is, of course, the overall TG MtF label.
I know that HRT is relatively new invention and there were without doubts TS individuals before the 1930, but this probably should not be applied to novadays, when such treatment is available. Indeed, there is a huge difference between "not being able to" and "not wanting to", but both those limitations does not prevent someone to identify as TG.
And skipping back to previous routine.
Stephany/Seth - I dunno how to refer to You now... probably under both names, lol? :) You look great and happy and it is good to see You around here again :).
When people begin to parse and over think these various designations as applied to specific individuals and as opposed to how they perceive themselves then arrogance and condescension begins to seep into the conversation and thus do harm to others. I don't want to see it here!
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on August 06, 2013, 07:35:42 PM
Hubba, hubba. I should think so.
You look great - I am envious.
Hi everyone!
Long time lurker, very infrequent poster, anyways I'm in the very early stages of HRT (about a week on Spiro) and I was just wondering about my potential to pass one day.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3794%2F10794707105_9ea147bb88_o.jpg&hash=e9c5a37afa825c4a4d744de41d1617ce791da3cc)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7346%2F10794730226_8e00018da6_o.jpg&hash=9588839079b6fa8fa29bd770c3f23ab0f0455cc0)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2842%2F10794737266_d8b6c5edb9_o.jpg&hash=0ec9a490c86da57499e06a6ded1fd5f0024949ec)
Quote from: R_Bard on November 11, 2013, 01:05:51 PM
Hi everyone!
Long time lurker, very infrequent poster, anyways I'm in the very early stages of HRT (about a week on Spiro) and I was just wondering about my potential to pass one day.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
You have an absolutely lovely face! You've already started spiro, so you don't have to worry about T distorting it. If only I had caught mine at that stage, and not 19 years on... And that hair! You could go out today with a touch of makeup and, with the right mannerisms and voice, no one would be able to tell.
I'm quite envious... the only thing preventing you from passing right now, judging by these photos alone, is a very close shave.
Go forth and show yourself off, woman. :)
*Edit: OK, the nitpicker in me says to style your hair to mask your slightly-too-high hairline. But it's pretty minor, and E will probably help that. :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 11, 2013, 11:08:19 AM
We will have to agree to disagree on this, but I in no way was trying to insult anyone or imply they don't belong here. I said that too. So everyone, forgive me if I seemed out of line. I was just trying to understand the motivation behind it. :)
Labels are dumb and everyone is on a similar but different journey to the same party. So let's all have some cake? :)
Hope we are still still friends.
Quote from: Shantel on November 11, 2013, 11:28:16 AM
When people begin to parse and over think these various designations as applied to specific individuals and as opposed to how they perceive themselves then arrogance and condescension begins to seep into the conversation and thus do harm to others. I don't want to see it here!
Everyone should be able to identify however she/he wishes and have that identification respected/accepted by others and not be denied a sense of belonging. Furthermore, labels should be self-applied, not foisted onto oneself by others.
That being said, words (including labels) have distinct meanings, which is why they are essential for communication. By denying such distinctions, the words are emptied of meaning. That is totally counterproductive for communication. Just as "MTF" is certainly different than "FTM", so too is "transgender" different from "transsexual." This doesn't mean that one label or group is "better than" others; it's just a different descriptor.
And with labels being merely self-applied descriptors instead of rules for belonging, there's no reason why one couldn't identify with several ostensibly incompatible labels. I can be both a bisexual and a lesbian, because while I'm sexually attracted to both genders, I prefer women. Another member here recently described himself as being basically MTFTM, a man who wishes to identify as a natal female who wishes to transition to a male identity. There's nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend that "bisexual" means the same thing as "lesbian" or that "MTF" is the same as "FTM."
There are lots of people who labels themselves as "transgender" but would hate to say that they're "transsexual." And there are some people who self-apply the label "transsexual" but wouldn't call themselves "transgender." That difference in terminology is worth respecting as much as the identities that people do present. In other words, we are defined as much by what we say that we are as what we say that we are not. Someone like Devlyn should be welcome to share in a thread like this, but doesn't give us license to include her as an example how broad the term "MTF transsexual" ought to be. She has her reasons for not identifying as transsexual, which should be acknowledged and not ignored.
The term "transsexual" was coined to describe individuals who either wished to, or actually were, undergoing body modification procedures such as HRT. On that basis, there was no such thing as a transsexual before the technologies and medicines became available. It's like how there were no gays in antiquity and classical times: The modern concept of homosexuality and queer identities didn't exist back then. In Ancient Greece, homosexual behavior was common among men, but not because they were "gay." To call them "gay" would be an injustice to history and culture. Cross-gender feelings and behaviors have been common among Native American tribes, and they have their own term for it: "two-spirit." If we really respect that, then we can't just point to them and say that they're "transgender," unless that is how they wish to identify.
What I love about this thread is that it's a place that is specifically designed for anyone to help herself/himself answer the question of how she/he looks as a woman; it's an invaluable resource indeed :)
and it'd be nice if that's all it was, but apparently it's also a discussion group on who is and is not a transsexual. And since it is in the MTF transsexual section of the website, it gives the wrong impression to some people who don't understand why anyone who is not transsexual would be posting in here.
Quote from: Silvermist on November 11, 2013, 02:14:33 PMThe term "transsexual" was coined to describe individuals who either wished to, or actually were, undergoing body modification procedures such as HRT. On that basis, there was no such thing as a transsexual before the technologies and medicines became available.
I agree with you, but what I pointed out last night, but then it was deleted, was that the term was transexual was around long before (1923) there was a term "transgender." When I was a kid, I always heard "transsexual." The term "transgender" wasn't around until after 1965. So it's a fairly new.
I prefer the term "transgender" to describe myself, even though I realize that "transsexual" might be more apropos since I plan on altering my body. :)
Wikipedia says:
QuoteWriting for health professionals in the second edition of his reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology in 1965, psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University used the lexical compound trans+gender in the Transexualism section of "Primary Transvestism," noting "'->-bleeped-<-' is what is meant, because sexuality is not a major factor in primary transvestism." Crossdressing pioneer Virginia Charles Prince used the compound in the December 1969 issue of Transvestia, a national magazine for cross dressers founded by Prince. In the mid-1970s both trans-gender and trans people were in use as umbrella terms. 'Transgenderist' was used to describe people who wanted to live cross-gender without sex reassignment surgery.] By 1976, transgenderist was abbreviated as TG in educational materials.
In 1979, Christine Jorgensen publicly rejected transsexual and instead identified herself in newsprint as a trans-gender saying, "gender doesn't have to do with bed partners, it has to do with identity." By 1984, the concept of a "transgender community" had developed, in which transgender was used as an umbrella term. In 1985, Richard Elkins established the "Trans-Gender Archive" at the University of Ulster. By 1992, the International Conference on Transgender Law and Employment Policy defined transgender as an expansive umbrella term including "transsexuals, transgenderists, cross dressers" and anyone transitioning.
Notice that he also used the term "Transvestism" and was talking about cross dressing. He used "gender" because sexual orientation is not the same as gender identity.
Language changes all the time. The term "Gender Identity Disorder" was replaced with "Gender Dysphoria" in 2010. But they are still often used interchangeably.
OK, I am *not* a moderator, but I'm going to jump in here and say that there are people who post here because it is *VERY* important to them to know if they have a chance of transitioning successfully.
While you all know I love a good debate, could we move the debate to another forum and concentrate on the needs of the people beginning their transition who desperately want advice about their appearance.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but I've seen a couple of posts get completely buried now under this discussion. It is a great discussion, it is important, but I think it deserves its own thread.
*hug*
Quote from: Robin Mack on November 11, 2013, 02:34:15 PM
OK, I am *not* a moderator, but I'm going to jump in here and say that there are people who post here because it is *VERY* important to them to know if they have a chance of transitioning successfully.
While you all know I love a good debate, could we move the debate to another forum and concentrate on the needs of the people beginning their transition who desperately want advice about their appearance.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but I've seen a couple of posts get completely buried now under this discussion. It is a great discussion, it is important, but I think it deserves its own thread.
*hug*
I agree, and I'm not taking about the origins of those terms anymore, but I will join in on the discussion about our lovely members' appearance. :)
We are all here for pretty much the same reasons.
Quote from: Robin Mack on November 11, 2013, 02:34:15 PM
OK, I am *not* a moderator, but I'm going to jump in here and say that there are people who post here because it is *VERY* important to them to know if they have a chance of transitioning successfully.
While you all know I love a good debate, could we move the debate to another forum and concentrate on the needs of the people beginning their transition who desperately want advice about their appearance.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but I've seen a couple of posts get completely buried now under this discussion. It is a great discussion, it is important, but I think it deserves its own thread.
*hug*
Thanks Robin. I don't want to sound cloying, but I was beginning to think I'd picked a terrible time to post my pics. I really appreciate the feedback people have given me, but can't help but think that my pics have been a little overwhelmed by the ongoing politics.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,146688.msg1279015.html#msg1279015
Quote from: truetranssoulrebel on November 08, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
@ Mattie: I see very little masculinity in your face. HRT should continue to soften your features, and I'm sure you don't have much to worry about in the long run. Very pretty! ;)
Byron, funny, but just today I recalled You for some reason (totally unknown to me) and I was wondering where did You go :).
Quote from: truetranssoulrebel on November 08, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
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This is me almost 5 months on HRT - still seeing a man in the mirror :(
I'd also like to mention you have absolutely gorgeous hair. If it wasn't so frizzy. xP
Quote from: Lexi Belle on November 11, 2013, 03:25:41 PM
I'd also like to mention you have absolutely gorgeous hair. If it wasn't so frizzy. xP
Yes, great hair!
I suffer from the frizzes too. :P Her's doesn't look so frizzy to me. :)
Quote from: RavenMoon on November 11, 2013, 03:48:03 PM
Yes, great hair!
I suffer from the frizzes too. :P Her's doesn't look so frizzy to me. :)
You can see it by the roots, I used to get those all the time. They've calmed down a lot lately. I baby my hair nowadays.
Ok, this is me after 5 months of HRT. This is with my work shirt which is pretty gender neutral. I have no wig, no make up, nothing on really except I have a push up bra on, but no padding inside it.
Would I pass as female now?? I pulled my shirt behind me to tighten it so that you could see my body shape.
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Okay, seriously, what's going on with the hate here? Why are we suddenly getting all defensive about who belongs on what forum? This is supposed to be an inclusive community that includes everyone under the transgender umbrella... cross-dressers, androgynes, fluid, bigender, genderqueer, everyone. Not just medically-transitioning classic Harry Benjamin transsexuals. I've never seen anyone get on Barbie's case for posting in the MtF transsexual forum even though she's not medically transitioning. Why are you treating anyone else any differently? If you ask me, anyone who wants to know how they can appear more female, regardless of medical status, has a right to post here. Let's be inclusive rather than being exclusive, shall we?
Quote from: <3 on November 11, 2013, 04:58:43 PM
wow.....it just never ends...
Tis' the third round if I am not mistaken!!!
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Besides, I think Kelsie was just a collateral damage, stepping into discussion and having no idea about its origins. Whatever.
Quote from: Ксениа on November 11, 2013, 04:51:44 PM
Ok, this is me after 5 months of HRT. This is with my work shirt which is pretty gender neutral. I have no wig, no make up, nothing on really except I have a push up bra on, but no padding inside it.
Would I pass as female now?? I pulled my shirt behind me to tighten it so that you could see my body shape.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2Fme1.jpg&hash=0f2146ef4b21b7fe4428d6d1ac0466a75e16df7b)
You look amazing, to me you pass.
Quote from: Ксениа on November 11, 2013, 04:51:44 PM
Ok, this is me after 5 months of HRT. This is with my work shirt which is pretty gender neutral. I have no wig, no make up, nothing on really except I have a push up bra on, but no padding inside it.
Would I pass as female now?? I pulled my shirt behind me to tighten it so that you could see my body shape.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv519%2Fbeme1248%2Fkasihnya%2Fme1.jpg&hash=0f2146ef4b21b7fe4428d6d1ac0466a75e16df7b)
Indeed you pass and look lovely! Minor knit picking here, but your chin is ever so slightly broad. Still wouldn't think you was anything other than a pretty woman :-*
If I may,
I think that almost all the tips and advices that are given for MTF transexuals can be of good use for people that are not transitioning yet, but want to get a more feminine look.
It may be not the right forum, but I don't see any problem in helping someone with good tips and a sincere opinion, even if the person is not a MTF.
I think that people on this topic are more interested about knowing what can be changed due to HRT and FFS, but Things like plucking your eyebrows, getting a feminine haircut, using a good make-up...they are all very useful tips for anyone that wants to get a feminine look.
A big part of passing as a female will only be achieved after HRT and perhaps FFS. HRT alone will soften facial features, change sligthly the format of your face and eyes, give you a better and whiter skin and FFS will turn the more prominent male features of your face into female shapes.
But you only need to be aware that without HRT and FFS you may not pass as a female. Only a very few people can do that.
Susan's is an inclusive site. How someone might identify; MTF, crossdresser, androgyne, genderqueer, etc., all are allowed to post in this topic.
Reminder of Rule 10
10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason. This includes but is not limited to:
Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others
What Shana said.
The title of the thread is simply - "Re: Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?" with nothing mentioned about the poster's status. Obviously crossdressers often have an interest in looking or passing as female. It may be in the mtf forum, but that's just for simplicity. Everyone is welcome to post in any forum they have access to on the site.