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V M
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160701%2Fce306db0c2bc895aea76499b59a0b8fb.jpg&hash=e780113e2c0b3fb2171dda3a68eb6e273ec252e9)
Yay new thread
Come on. Let me have it. I want to see if you all see the same
I think your pretty passable to be honest, but I'm a tad bit biased. I'm afraid to explain my self, but don't mind if you want me to.
Please do. Sometimes I'm happy with how things are going and others I just see hideous male
I see about the same thing depending on how I part my hair because the side is just kinda manly-ish at times so I try to be careful where I can LOL. Ummm... >.<; I come from a lot of diverse people in my family and a lot of the women live up to ninety-some years of age. And a lot of them come from the North like Pennsylvania, Oregon, or Wisconsin. I've noticed the one's that come from WI are a bit stout and have 'some' masculine features, but for the most part aren't given any grief for it. So relatively speaking and even if you lived in the South I'd still say your passable! ^^ We have all kinds of body types all over the 50 Realms y'know?
I haz a big masculine nose, but I don't worry with it as much as I use to! ^^
I see what you mean on the nose, but in your profile pick, you look female to me.
Thank you for the kind words though.
I guess the real test is seby commenting.
I know there are things that stand out to me, so I just wanted to know if others see the same thing.
Thanks again though. You finished off a nice night for me.
Hugs
Stevie
Well, I have to admit that I was wearing makeup in that photo. Is just a little foundation and subtle eyeshadow, but I really do thank you for the kind words. That made me feel really good.
I'm still waiting for the negatives though and what I might need to work on. Or if anyone sees anything that outs me instantly.
Just being my paranoid self, but I'm sure it's not without reason.
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 02, 2016, 04:43:52 PM
Well, I have to admit that I was wearing makeup in that photo. Is just a little foundation and subtle eyeshadow, but I really do thank you for the kind words. That made me feel really good.
I'm still waiting for the negatives though and what I might need to work on. Or if anyone sees anything that outs me instantly.
Just being my paranoid self, but I'm sure it's not without reason.
I dunno if your concerned with the negatives more than the positives it's going to hit you hard if you ask me. It took me a long time to not worry about the negatives when wearing short shorts. I've got the hips and the legs for it, but I have scars on my legs either from self-harming or combat. But most people don't pay attention to that and they are fixated on my butt and the 'slight' arch in my back back more happily! LOL. Thinking more on the positives will allow you to publicly move forward and as you make that more of your shield you'll be able to work more subtly on those negatives as time moves forward for ya. ^^
Hi friends :)
In order to keep this topic on topic I've merged a handful of your posts into the The All New 'Before & After' Topic (v 4.0) (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,210798.msg1874075.html#msg1874075)
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V M
SAWRY! >.< I didn't know about the other one! I just lurk on the Recent Topics I'm just a relativity weirdo 0_0
No worries, it's all good plus it revives a forgotten topic :) So let's see some new pics to keep this topic rollin' along too
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I never seem to be able to take a good picture, but...2 months on HRT -
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I'll start with one I took the other week, I can't remember if I posted it on here or not :P
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi375.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Foo195%2FSophieHannahAlexis%2FOut%2520to%2520some%2520people%2FBE684A88-143A-47D1-BFD4-EA3AD2648E46_zpsv9zlfzp4.jpg&hash=24373793f581e67f226e5dc0bd4a3d51202fb0b1)
Sorry. I had a feeling it was becoming before and after.
I'd still like s response from seby Not sure I spelled that correctly. But still I'm looking for the unvarnished truth
Course these will get deleated in a few days, but felt confident.
Heres a few for fun from yesterday!
(https://imgur.com/TWJhLGD.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/yCdeaMQ.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/rJSRYEG.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/8YpPCFt.jpg)
And for the haters out there, I'm waiting ;)
(https://imgur.com/4GLxoE1.jpg)
Quote from: ChristineRachel on July 03, 2016, 03:52:03 AM
Heres a few for fun from yesterday!
Your links aren't displaying (adjust your coding or something), but when I quoted you I could see the imgur addresses of each pic. So the pics are there it's just not translating onto this forum.
Anyway; I think I've said before I cannot wait to see your transition down the road; you're going to be such a beauty!
protip: don't f with the girl with the musket :icon_userfriendly:
Thanks V, :3 it worked!
I think HRT will do well on Christine! She all ready looks like a Victoria Secret Model!
Looking great Christine!
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Christine, I have to agree. I think you should be posting in the looking fabulous thread.
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160701%2Fce306db0c2bc895aea76499b59a0b8fb.jpg&hash=e780113e2c0b3fb2171dda3a68eb6e273ec252e9)
I'm not Sebby but I'm honest, so I hope I'll do until he pitches up.
Yes you do I think. Not as a glamorous woman or even a pretty one (although the potential is there for that) but as one for sure. You look like a middle aged woman who has sat down, a bit tired after some errands, at a pavement table for a drink and something to eat.
I like your eyebrows. Bigger hair might help you out (or it might not, if its incongruous with your lifestyle). I like your make up - there's no point going for a wash out couple of shades lighter if you can go a couple of shades darker. I can see from your arms that you have a gentle tan anyway, which is nice. There's a bit of shadow under it on the lower face, so once that's gone, I'm sure it'll be much better.
Because you have a larger face, it's harder to tell - it could be easier or harder for you depending on what else you do. If it was all much thinner and tighter, the chin would be more problematic than it is. Your lips are very thin, but depending on your look and lifestyle, it might look ridiculous to have them filled out. You have a very kind expression.
It all depends on what sort of look you're aiming for, where you live, and what your lifestyle is.
Quote from: alex82 on July 03, 2016, 05:07:20 PM
I'm not Sebby but I'm honest, so I hope I'll do until he pitches up.
Yes you do I think. Not as a glamorous woman or even a pretty one (although the potential is there for that) but as one for sure. You look like a middle aged woman who has sat down, a bit tired after some errands, at a pavement table for a drink and something to eat.
I like your eyebrows. Bigger hair might help you out (or it might not, if its incongruous with your lifestyle). I like your make up - there's no point going for a wash out couple of shades lighter if you can go a couple of shades darker. I can see from your arms that you have a gentle tan anyway, which is nice. There's a bit of shadow under it on the lower face, so once that's gone, I'm sure it'll be much better.
Because you have a larger face, it's harder to tell - it could be easier or harder for you depending on what else you do. If it was all much thinner and tighter, the chin would be more problematic than it is. Your lips are very thin, but depending on your look and lifestyle, it might look ridiculous to have them filled out. You have a very kind expression.
It all depends on what sort of look you're aiming for, where you live, and what your lifestyle is.
Thank you very much. That was a much needed assessment. I figured that until I can afford electrolysis, I'm going to have some trouble. And I'm not sure if I'd do anything about the thin lips yet. Maybe down the road someday, but we'll see.
And you pegged it on the location. My partner and I were doing some window shopping downtown and stopped for a couple drinks in the shade. I think there was a red light above that might have tinted me a little, but I do have a little bit of red in my face. Just started wearing the sleeveless tops and in trying to get rid of the farmer tan.
Thanks again Alex I really do appreciate the honesty.
Hugs
Shopping at my local supermarket today, a worker next to me stocking shelves, said to me, "Are you finding everything ok, Ma'am?" It was my first time someone doing that. I felt like I was on cloud 9. I don't consider myself passable except maybe at night from at least10 feet or more away, so it was a surprise for me. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f6hIFI2ZNz8/VcpQlnaWI_I/AAAAAAAAAOI/j1AFdc7qplAnC3oDGKUcoRF3mF3RccBbgCKgB/w139-h140-p/paula2.jpg)
Quote from: Jenny0713 on July 03, 2016, 12:09:27 PM
Looking great Christine!
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Thank you Jenny, was feeling really good that day!
And thank you too Raye, I would go as far as that, but thank you
Yeah Electrolysis is pretty expensive. I have a really high pain tolerance and I deal well under heavy loads of pressure. I had a consultation a awhile back ago for that since I don't have much facial hair they said something like 15 hours. -.- I can sympathize with those who have alot. :(
Oops! My post was at the end of the last thread. 😊 Oh well, I have too much of a technology deficiency to move them forward :P ( Needed help the last time :) )
You girls all look so wonderful. 😊 I always enjoy this thread, seeing everyone be themselves. Makes me smile every time.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on July 03, 2016, 03:52:03 AM
And for the haters out there, I'm waiting ;)
(https://imgur.com/4GLxoE1.jpg)
All ready for the zombie apocalypse too :)
Paige :)
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 03, 2016, 07:47:27 PM
Thank you very much. That was a much needed assessment. I figured that until I can afford electrolysis, I'm going to have some trouble. And I'm not sure if I'd do anything about the thin lips yet. Maybe down the road someday, but we'll see.
And you pegged it on the location. My partner and I were doing some window shopping downtown and stopped for a couple drinks in the shade. I think there was a red light above that might have tinted me a little, but I do have a little bit of red in my face. Just started wearing the sleeveless tops and in trying to get rid of the farmer tan.
Thanks again Alex I really do appreciate the honesty.
Hugs
No problem, don't get rid of the tan - it suits you. You have a very kind face and beautiful honest eyes. If the tan is just lifestyle related then it'll fit way better than a blow dry and inflated lips will ever do.
I think the sleeveless too is great. It looks relaxed. Fat lips might look great on a 20 year old on the red carpet, but on anybody else, think carefully and maybe spend your cash elsewhere. If it goes well then great. If it goes wrong, it looks really wrong. You can probably survive a bad nose job - at worst, say you were in an accident. Bad lips however, there's no excuse, the entire face will be off kilter with no get out of jail free card. And many women do have naturally thinner lips - particularly as they clock up the decades.
I hate electrolysis - the boredom makes me weep. But don't be frightened about the sensation - it's honestly nothing. And presumably small fry compared to the grand finale. If you have a partner, it might work out cheaper to get him or her trained up and just do it at home.
I asked my electrolygist for a three hour appointment and she said she couldn't because of her back. Fair enough, but a bit disappointing, because it's really not all that sore. It's no massage, but it's not the hell that many say it is.
I don't know if you're the same, but I have a very bad habit of tallying things up in my head and thinking 'God, that is a ridiculous sum of money'. But electrolysis - it helps if you smoke admittedly - and you tally it down instead of up, and think, well twice a week, that is actually cheaper than a 20 pack a day.
Quote from: Raye on July 03, 2016, 11:49:17 PM
Yeah Electrolysis is pretty expensive. I have a really high pain tolerance and I deal well under heavy loads of pressure. I had a consultation a awhile back ago for that since I don't have much facial hair they said something like 15 hours. -.- I can sympathize with those who have alot. :(
Oh my god, you lucky cow. Do it - don't eat for a fortnight and drop a dress size at the same time.
What I wouldn't give for a 15 hours timeline. Times that by ten and then complain to me! 15 hours - I could honestly do that in a weekend. Not a fun weekend, but a weekend nonetheless.
Quote from: alex82 on July 04, 2016, 10:53:37 AM
No problem, don't get rid of the tan - it suits you. You have a very kind face and beautiful honest eyes. If the tan is just lifestyle related then it'll fit way better than a blow dry and inflated lips will ever do.
I think the sleeveless too is great. It looks relaxed. Fat lips might look great on a 20 year old on the red carpet, but on anybody else, think carefully and maybe spend your cash elsewhere. If it goes well then great. If it goes wrong, it looks really wrong. You can probably survive a bad nose job - at worst, say you were in an accident. Bad lips however, there's no excuse, the entire face will be off kilter with no get out of jail free card. And many women do have naturally thinner lips - particularly as they clock up the decades.
I hate electrolysis - the boredom makes me weep. But don't be frightened about the sensation - it's honestly nothing. And presumably small fry compared to the grand finale. If you have a partner, it might work out cheaper to get him or her trained up and just do it at home.
I asked my electrolygist for a three hour appointment and she said she couldn't because of her back. Fair enough, but a bit disappointing, because it's really not all that sore. It's no massage, but it's not the hell that many say it is.
I don't know if you're the same, but I have a very bad habit of tallying things up in my head and thinking 'God, that is a ridiculous sum of money'. But electrolysis - it helps if you smoke admittedly - and you tally it down instead of up, and think, well twice a week, that is actually cheaper than a 20 pack a day.
Oh how I wish electrolysis was covered by insurance. I don't care about the other cosmetic procedures, but that one is important to me.
Unfortunately, I'm currently providing for my partner until if and when they get their disability. I've taken to buying those cigars that are sized like cigarettes because there's no tax Something like 1.75 a pack.
That day of the picture was a special treat. I work at that restaurant so it's 50% off. Not a lot of hours yet, but getting my life on track. I've only been in this city for two months, but I'm loving the people here.
Sooooo... As soon as I can get life stable I'm going to start pecking away at the hair. Until then , I have a home ipl unit that helps a little. It did clear up my cheeks a bit, but it does nothing for the grey or the thick hair on my neck.
I feel that I've made progress though, and everyone's comments seem to support that, so I'll keep at it and hopefully just blend in one day.
At least I work with younger people and they easily call me she.
Thanks again
Hugs
Stevie
Ps I feel like Sally fields sometimes " they like me, they really like me" lol
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 04, 2016, 12:21:27 PM
Oh how I wish electrolysis was covered by insurance. I don't care about the other cosmetic procedures, but that one is important to me.
Unfortunately, I'm currently providing for my partner until if and when they get their disability. I've taken to buying those cigars that are sized like cigarettes because there's no tax Something like 1.75 a pack.
That day of the picture was a special treat. I work at that restaurant so it's 50% off. Not a lot of hours yet, but getting my life on track. I've only been in this city for two months, but I'm loving the people here.
Sooooo... As soon as I can get life stable I'm going to start pecking away at the hair. Until then , I have a home ipl unit that helps a little. It did clear up my cheeks a bit, but it does nothing for the grey or the thick hair on my neck.
I feel that I've made progress though, and everyone's comments seem to support that, so I'll keep at it and hopefully just blend in one day.
At least I work with younger people and they easily call me she.
Thanks again
Hugs
Stevie
Ps I feel like Sally fields sometimes " they like me, they really like me" lol
That's the one isn't it. Oh you are a smoker - so everything works out in terms of 'that's however many packets' - that's good lol. Everything is cheap compared to smoking.
I took out a loan for facial surgery that two surgeons have told me I don't even need. But I don't want their 'oh you don't really need that' - I know that for what I want, for my standards, I do. And I'm not prepared to wait around to 'see' what HRT does. It doesn't fix broken noses, it doesn't remove an Adam's apple.
Now I'm terrified. I ended up in a traffic jam next to a hearse this afternoon, and I was just struck with fear - what if it goes wrong! What if that hideous thing is picking me up from the airport before the month is out! I have the most pathological fear of GA - and I've had one before! So logically, I know I don't react badly to it. It makes no difference.
I go on Facebook, and see that an old friend has just given birth. I thought yeah genuinely happy for you, great, congratulations - at least you don't have to give birth to yourself! And the whole thing cost less than the price of minus one condom!
Quote from: alex82 on July 04, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
That's the one isn't it. Oh you are a smoker - so everything works out in terms of 'that's however many packets' - that's good lol. Everything is cheap compared to smoking.
I took out a loan for facial surgery that two surgeons have told me I don't even need. But I don't want their 'oh you don't really need that' - I know that for what I want, for my standards, I do. And I'm not prepared to wait around to 'see' what HRT does. It doesn't fix broken noses, it doesn't remove an Adam's apple.
Now I'm terrified. I ended up in a traffic jam next to a hearse this afternoon, and I was just struck with fear - what if it goes wrong! What if that hideous thing is picking me up from the airport before the month is out! I have the most pathological fear of GA - and I've had one before! So logically, I know I don't react badly to it. It makes no difference.
I go on Facebook, and see that an old friend has just given birth. I thought yeah genuinely happy for you, great, congratulations - at least you don't have to give birth to yourself! And the whole thing cost less than the price of minus one condom!
I hate to out my nerdyness but....
Fear is the mind killer
Truer words have never been spoken.
Quote from: alex82 on July 04, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Oh my god, you lucky cow. Do it - don't eat for a fortnight and drop a dress size at the same time.
What I wouldn't give for a 15 hours timeline. Times that by ten and then complain to me! 15 hours - I could honestly do that in a weekend. Not a fun weekend, but a weekend nonetheless.
If it makes you feel any worse don't my life wasn't so grand. Even though until 19 I was 5' 6" for the most part of my life, but eventually I hit a last-hitting growth spurt at the final trek. And my voice didn't start the deepening process until I was around 16-17. I didn't start growing facial hair until I was 20. So I'd have to say my intersex condition wasn't a blessing, but a curse. It really made my dysphoria off the charts! And suicidal thoughts were all being thought of at many times. Sure I guess I could be lucky at times, but it's just how you preceive yourself. I wouldn't compare yourself to another girl because it will lighten up your dysphoria when you just work on yourself. that's why we have threads like this, it helps us figure out what might work for us that work for others. I believe it also helps close that gap a little in my opinion here; although not a very educated answer. v.v
I had a lot of demons and problems into me to solve, which I'm still working on more puzzle problems to complete before I go unto the next.
July 4th date night pics. I need to learn to do makeup better.
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Hi Guys, Can I get some advice please? I know I don't pass :-\ - i'm pre - everything, but until I can get on hormones does anyone have any advice for me?
http://s61.photobucket.com/user/confettipics/library/?sort=3&page=1
the password to the album is se2055
:)
Quote from: Confetti on July 05, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
Hi Guys, Can I get some advice please? I know I don't pass :-\
Hi Confetti, I'm no expert on this but you already have a nice androgynous/feminine look to you. With hormones and electrolysis, I think you'll be very feminine looking.
Paige :)
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160701%2Fce306db0c2bc895aea76499b59a0b8fb.jpg&hash=e780113e2c0b3fb2171dda3a68eb6e273ec252e9)
For me you doesn't pass yet. Your nose and your head shape is the main things that makes passing harder for you. Your square/angular facial shape and the big nose is something I associate with masculinity too. Your body shape isn't very feminine either. But it's not super masculine either, but it's slightly. My best advice is giving HRT more time, being patient and just wait.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 05, 2016, 12:02:23 PM
For me you doesn't pass yet. Your nose and your head shape is the main things that makes passing harder for you. Your square/angular facial shape and the big nose is something I associate with masculinity too. Your body shape isn't very feminine either. But it's not super masculine either, but it's slightly. My best advice is giving HRT more time, being patient and just wait.
Thanks Sebby
Patience [emoji20] I know. Just hate waiting.
I'll give it another 6 months and post a follow up and see what you think then. Hopefully things will be better or at least we'll see what is going to need intervention on.
Thanks again. I love that you don't sugar coat things, so overall I don't feel too bad.
Hugs
Quote from: Paige on July 05, 2016, 09:51:16 AM
Hi Confetti, I'm no expert on this but you already have a nice androgynous/feminine look to you. With hormones and electrolysis, I think you'll be very feminine looking.
Paige :)
Yeah I'd have to second that one as well. She's got those lucky neutral looks! ^^
Quote from: Raye on July 05, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
Yeah I'd have to second that one as well. She's got those lucky neutral looks! ^^
Yup. And a third vote of jealousy. Oops I mean I agree
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Bad case of derpy face syndrome today i think :/
Most definitely.
Quote from: Hannah Samira on July 02, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
I'll start with one I took the other week, I can't remember if I posted it on here or not :P
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi375.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Foo195%2FSophieHannahAlexis%2FOut%2520to%2520some%2520people%2FBE684A88-143A-47D1-BFD4-EA3AD2648E46_zpsv9zlfzp4.jpg&hash=24373793f581e67f226e5dc0bd4a3d51202fb0b1)
I love your bangs. I want bangs some day.
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 05, 2016, 03:10:20 PM
Yup. And a third vote of jealousy. Oops I mean I agree
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Showing signs of jealousy eh? Stevie, what I found out that worked for me is... I don't compare myself to other girls because it helps my self-esteem and overall development! ^^ You'll get there have faith hehehe!
(hugggzzz)
Quote from: RedLila on July 05, 2016, 04:11:37 PM
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Bad case of derpy face syndrome today i think :/
I'd have to say RedLila is my fav now though! 0_0 DAAANNNNGGGG!!! It's such a natural look!
Quote from: brittbaby on July 05, 2016, 06:58:05 PM
I love your bangs. I want bangs some day.
Thank you :P I wish my real hair was like this!! ;)
Quote from: RedLila on July 05, 2016, 04:11:37 PM
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Bad case of derpy face syndrome today i think :/
Aww you're so naturally pretty!! :) x
[img]http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/MichelleElizabeth69/library/Mobile%20Uploads/[img]
I wanted opinions on passing but... well they started a new one. So I thought,'I can live with not knowing.'
I do want to know though so here is attempt #2.
Sheesh, my brain doesn't speak "technology".
Thanks anyway. :)
Quote from: Michelle69Elizabeth on July 06, 2016, 06:12:17 AM
Sheesh, my brain doesn't speak "technology".
Thanks anyway. :)
Mine works 'sometimes' LOL it's okay just modify the post and change that '/[image]' to '[/imge]'
<--(without the 'e' on the end) you messed up your closing bracket a bit, but that's alright! ^^
Also if I might say so myself...
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First one looks fine to me. The glasses help mask some parts of your face, which is pretty jazzy!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1268.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj572%2FMichelleElizabeth69%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FScreenshot_2016-03-15-00-41-28-1_zpslggoaii0.png&hash=1192cd605c0f47db75796271078386c61b0828d3)
But the first one... Might I try a different Facial Gesture?
Overall you have a bit of an androgynous look, which is really nice to have! ^^
Quote from: RedLila on July 05, 2016, 04:11:37 PM
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Bad case of derpy face syndrome today i think :/
You pass 100%. You looks like a young cis girl for me in her teenage.
Quote from: Raye on July 05, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
Yeah I'd have to second that one as well. She's got those lucky neutral looks! ^^
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 05, 2016, 03:10:20 PM
Yup. And a third vote of jealousy. Oops I mean I agree
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Quote from: Paige on July 05, 2016, 09:51:16 AM
Hi Confetti, I'm no expert on this but you already have a nice androgynous/feminine look to you. With hormones and electrolysis, I think you'll be very feminine looking.
Paige :)
Thankyou :-* Really wish I could just get on hrt :-\
Thank you for the help Raye. 😊😊😊
Yep, both of those were me trying to screen shot a picture of my friend. Every time I went to do it in made her small and me big, so the looks were extreme concentration. 😃😃 Electronic devices hate me I think.
No problemo Technical Support seems to be my goto in Life as well on the Interwebs! :3
Quote from: Michelle69Elizabeth on July 06, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Thank you for the help Raye. 😊😊😊
Yep, both of those were me trying to screen shot a picture of my friend. Every time I went to do it in made her small and me big, so the looks were extreme concentration. 😃😃 Electronic devices hate me I think.
All you have to do is copy/paste the img code, it's the 4th one down right next to the pic. Photobucket almost makes it too easy
Hugs
Quote from: V M on July 06, 2016, 12:56:23 PM
All you have to do is copy/paste the img code, it's the 4th one down right next to the pic. Photobucket almost makes it too easy
Hugs
I just right click select 'Copy Image Address' and put in the right IMAGE Tag in the BRACKETS. It was more than the the actual address that was the problem. I can't be the only engineer here with coding background here, right?
[img]http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/MichelleElizabeth69/library/Mobile%20Uploads/[img]
The opening tag was correct, but the address needed to be an image address not a full link - otherwise it won't embed properly. the closing tag is where she messed up on. The '/' needed to be in on the last closing tag.
V M couldn't you correct at least the closing tag in her post for her I mean you have the capabilities to edit user posts?! I've posted the two DIRECT image addresses in this post if you wanna copy and paste them in her code and fix the brackets I got the handiwork done.
http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/MichelleElizabeth69/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-06-28-02-35-18-1_zpseyjcuzwu.png
http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj572/MichelleElizabeth69/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-03-15-00-41-28-1_zpslggoaii0.png
I fixed it for her last time, she really needs to learn for herself
Anyway, I don't have time to sit around arguing about it
Time to get back on topic
Thank you
V M
Alright fair enough V M so Michelle just has to learn it.
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Here's a recent. I get my smile [emoji19]. Sometimes I feel good about myself, most times I don't. What do you all think.
I hate my smile not get my smile. Ugh stupid autocorrect
Gott liebt verrückte eingelegtes Gemüse smile
Good smile, not Gott liebt verrückte eingelegtes Gemüse smile. I hate autocorrect too :-X
Quote from: Ⓥ on July 06, 2016, 06:33:16 PM
Gott liebt verrückte eingelegtes Gemüse smile
I do a German degree and I still had to Google Translate that :'(
Darn, I thought everyone knew that God loved crazy smiling pickles :laugh:
I want to try to give some helpful advice to those who are concerned about passing. Based on the photos I've seen over the last few pages...
#1.) Smile! Smiling with your lips closed doesn't count! Smile and proudly show your teeth! A big smile will do a lot toward improving your ability to pass, as cis women smile often - they're taught from an early age to keep smiling. Plus, women look great when they smile; it's a very feminine thing to do.. very disarming and enchanting. Even if you have crooked or missing teeth, who cares? Cis women have bad teeth too, but they smile regardless. Whether you're trying to pass out in public or just in a photo, smile a lot! :D
#2.) Get those bushy eyebrows groomed! This is really important, much more than even using makeup. Cis women spend a lot of time and money on their eyebrows, and many trans women don't realize this early on. Go to a salon and get your eyebrows waxed and threaded. After the first session, you may only need to maintain them with threading. In between visits to the salon, maintain the shape of your eyebrows by plucking them with tweezers. Once you start paying attention to the eyebrows of other women, you'll realize what you've been missing out on! There is nothing more feminine than thin, arched eyebrows! ^^
I could apply those comments to just about all of the pictures I've seen so far, and if you're trying to pass (which I'm assuming you all are, since you're posting in this thread), then these are 2 really easy steps you can take! :)
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on July 06, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
I want to try to give some helpful advice to those who are concerned about passing. Based on the photos I've seen over the last few pages...
#1.) Smile! Smiling with your lips closed doesn't count! Smile and proudly show your teeth! A big smile will do a lot toward improving your ability to pass, as cis women smile often - they're taught from an early age to keep smiling. Plus, women look great when they smile; it's a very feminine thing to do.. very disarming and enchanting. Even if you have crooked or missing teeth, who cares? Cis women have bad teeth too, but they smile regardless. Whether you're trying to pass out in public or just in a photo, smile a lot! :D
#2.) Get those bushy eyebrows groomed! This is really important, much more than even using makeup. Cis women spend a lot of time and money on their eyebrows, and many trans women don't realize this early on. Go to a salon and get your eyebrows waxed and threaded. After the first session, you may only need to maintain them with threading. In between visits to the salon, maintain the shape of your eyebrows by plucking them with tweezers. Once you start paying attention to the eyebrows of other women, you'll realize what you've been missing out on! There is nothing more feminine than thin, arched eyebrows! ^^
I could apply those comments to just about all of the pictures I've seen so far, and if you're trying to pass (which I'm assuming you all are, since you're posting in this thread), then these are 2 really easy steps you can take! :)
Very good points, I can't touch eyebrows as I'm not out, I would be milled if I touched them :S
LOL I'll be leaving my eye brows alone they've become so fine and I'm quite not sure why.
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Obviously I am the female in both these pics. I have always run myself down about passing. I think it is more noticable to your own self because you can see where the masculinity is especially in the brow ridge/nose/jaw
Quote from: AleahHart on July 07, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
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Obviously I am the female in both these pics. I have always run myself down about passing. I think it is more noticable to your own self because you can see where the masculinity is especially in the brow ridge/nose/jaw
Hi Aleah,
I looked at your brow ridge, nose and jaw and I can't see it. You look very much like a woman I know.
Paige :)
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So, full time for like 6+ months now and I still worry that I'm being clocked every...single...day...
Quote from: AleahHart on July 07, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
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Obviously I am the female in both these pics. I have always run myself down about passing. I think it is more noticable to your own self because you can see where the masculinity is especially in the brow ridge/nose/jaw
I think you are really pretty!
Seeing your poor arms makes me sad though, reminds me of the plight many of us face!
You are really naturaly pretty, and look real cool, i love the hair! :')
Hi everyone.
I'm not really sure where to put this, so I post it here. This is the first time I'm posting a photo of me anywhere.
I got a nice haircut yesterday so I thought I'd take a picture. I usually pull my hair back into a pony tail during the day, and this was just before I did that.
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I'm 48, a bit overweight and I've been on hormones for about 17 months now. I don't think I'm ever going to fully pass or transition, but I do get ma'amed on occasion from the front and often from the back and I don't really hide my transgenderness from the world.
I think I look like a butch lesbian (is this term PC?) at times.
Quote from: AleahHart on July 07, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
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Obviously I am the female in both these pics. I have always run myself down about passing. I think it is more noticable to your own self because you can see where the masculinity is especially in the brow ridge/nose/jaw
You looks like a cis woman for me. It took time before I found you at the picture. First I noticed that guy in the gray clothes (I assumed he was your friend/love), then I noticed a woman (I assumed it was your bestfriend) and then I tried to find the third person at the picture. But there were no third person, then I figured out that woman sitting there is you. I did read her as a cis woman, so I continued to looking. x'D
Quote from: KristinaM on July 07, 2016, 11:30:29 AM
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So, full time for like 6+ months now and I still worry that I'm being clocked every...single...day...
You pass 110% for me. I reads you as a cis woman.
Quote from: KarinMcD on July 07, 2016, 12:54:11 PM
Hi everyone.
I'm not really sure where to put this, so I post it here. This is the first time I'm posting a photo of me anywhere.
I got a nice haircut yesterday so I thought I'd take a picture. I usually pull my hair back into a pony tail during the day, and this was just before I did that.
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I'm 48, a bit overweight and I've been on hormones for about 17 months now. I don't think I'm ever going to fully pass or transition, but I do get ma'amed on occasion from the front and often from the back and I don't really hide my transgenderness from the world.
I think I look like a butch lesbian (is this term PC?) at times.
The hairline and the big forehead is the main things that makes you appear more masculine. If you had a bang that covered the hairline and the forehead, you would appear more feminine. You doesn't pass 100% yet in my opinion. But without the high hairline, you would indeed pass easier.
Such lovely smiles in the last several photos! That's what I like to see!! :D
AleahHart, you pass 100%. And you not only pass, but you look very beautiful!
KristinaM, I think you also pass; you have a very cute look and an AMAZING smile! And I love how happy the baby looks too!!! But since you say you're self-conscious about being clocked, I will suggest this: don't put your cell phone in your front pocket. Only men do that, from what I've seen. Either put your cell phone in your back pocket (which I see young girls doing often), or put it in your purse/bag. Putting the phone in your front pocket makes your silhouette look less feminine.. if it's in your back pocket, it's like a natural extension of your butt. But in the front pocket... you have this bulge in the front of your pants, and it just messes up the clean lines of your figure. Just remember not to sit on your phone if you put it in the back pocket, lol. :)
KarinMcD, I'm sorry but I have to be honest and say you don't pass. But you already know this, as you wrote as much in your post. You have a fantastic smile, but your receding hairline is a pretty big tell. Also it would really help if you lost weight, as that would help reduce the appearance of a large chin. Something else you can do is groom your eyebrows so that they're thinner and more defined...
I was talking to my cis sister today, and she said that if there's nothing else she does with her makeup on any given day, she'll take the time to shape and fill in her eyebrows. Eyebrows are soooo important in looking feminine as they frame the face and lift up the eyes when done properly.
Thank you everyone :) and yes the scars are reminders of my dark past. I did have trouble in the beginning. I was so young and immature and tortured by my own mental restraints. Today i am set free five years since hrt and living as me
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 07, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
The hairline and the big forehead is the main things that makes you appear more masculine.
Yeah, I've always had a fivehead. ;)
I'm happy though and that's what counts.
Quote from: KarinMcD on July 07, 2016, 08:06:12 PM
Yeah, I've always had a fivehead. ;)
I'm happy though and that's what counts.
In fact I don't think the fivehead makes you masculine. The most significant difference between men/women is the brow ridge, not the forehead height. There are plenty of gorgeous women with big and round foreheads (it's a neotenic trait).
You're not that far from passing though. Eyebrow grooming, weight loss and maybe some surgery on brow/jaw and you'll be done.
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So, full time for like 6+ months now and I still worry that I'm being clocked every...single...day...
Your results for just 6 months on HRT are really really good. You're very very difficult to read as transgender right now. Only a person who knows really good what to look for could tell, and this would be just because your brow ridge (and it's not even very noticeable). So If I were you I would stop worrying about passing issues.
Quote from: AleahHart on July 07, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
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Obviously I am the female in both these pics. I have always run myself down about passing. I think it is more noticable to your own self because you can see where the masculinity is especially in the brow ridge/nose/jaw
You're passing 100%. If you go for facial surgery it would be just for cosmetic purposes only.
Quote from: KarinMcD on July 07, 2016, 12:54:11 PM
Hi everyone.
I'm not really sure where to put this, so I post it here. This is the first time I'm posting a photo of me anywhere.
While it's hard to tell from the picture with just a head shot and nothing to compare to in-frame, it looks like besides being heavy you may also have a big build... if so that does make things harder... and I speak from experience in that. It gives you less leeway with other things.
I agree bangs would help but what would help more would be boney FFS along with a scalp advance.
Beside the big forehead you also have a noticeable brow ridge. While it is not that big, it can be seen and is a male characteristic. Good boney FFS can get solve both issues (I don't know who is best for such work these days... i had FFS back in 1999 with Dr. O who invented boney FFS and is now retired)
Getting rid of the brow ridge and setting back the forehead would open up your eyes a good bit... From personal experience I can tell you that makes a surprising amount of difference.
Weight is a funny thing. Some pass much better when they lose weight and some not... it all depends on overall build/proportions and what HRT does overall. HRT effects were subtle for me (i started at about 40)
For myself losing too much weight makes make me more readable - but being heavy (as I am) has other negatives.
On the plus side it does look like your hair is thick so in the long run you will be able to do more things with it... Mine is VERY fine (as well as having thin spot on top) which limits my options.
You have a bit more work to do. If you can afford it consider FFS. If not then then you really should do bangs.
Good Luck,
- Karen
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So, full time for like 6+ months now and I still worry that I'm being clocked every...single...day...
Oh. So much lovely. You are a beauuuuutiful mom!
barbie~~
Quote from: AleahHart on July 07, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
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Obviously I am the female in both these pics. I have always run myself down about passing. I think it is more noticable to your own self because you can see where the masculinity is especially in the brow ridge/nose/jaw
You look so much natural and beautiful. Passing really matters?
barbie~~
Whether I pass or not, I will go to a nearby beach soon, although it may drizzle.
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Could I pass? ;D
barbie~~
Quote from: KarinMcD on July 07, 2016, 08:06:12 PM
Yeah, I've always had a fivehead. ;)
I'm happy though and that's what counts.
Yes, absolutely! And as I mentioned in my previous comments about your look, you have an amazing smile! And that smile easily expresses how happy you are on the inside! Totally!
Tucking is always an issue, but people do not pay attention to it, although I am not quite sure.
My first day at a beach for this summer.
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The sun light was too much strong, urging me to wear a hat.
barbie~~
Quote from: Wednesday on July 07, 2016, 08:25:36 PM
You're passing 100%. If you go for facial surgery it would be just for cosmetic purposes only.
I'm agree she's passing 110%. I did read her as a cis woman, and perhaps her best friend. (You get it, if you read a earlier comment in that thread) But anyway, in my opinion cosmetic stuffs aren't necessary. She's pretty and she is lucky with her appearance. Not everybody are so lucky. ;)
Quote from: Karen_A on July 07, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
While it's hard to tell from the picture with just a head shot and nothing to compare to in-frame, it looks like besides being heavy you may also have a big build... if so that does make things harder... and I speak from experience in that. It gives you less leeway with other things.
I agree bangs would help but what would help more would be boney FFS along with a scalp advance.
Beside the big forehead you also have a noticeable brow ridge. While it is not that big, it can be seen and is a male characteristic. Good boney FFS can get solve both issues (I don't know who is best for such work these days... i had FFS back in 1999 with Dr. O who invented boney FFS and is now retired)
Getting rid of the brow ridge and setting back the forehead would open up your eyes a good bit... From personal experience I can tell you that makes a surprising amount of difference.
Weight is a funny thing. Some pass much better when they lose weight and some not... it all depends on overall build/proportions and what HRT does overall. HRT effects were subtle for me (i started at about 40)
For myself losing too much weight makes make me more readable - but being heavy (as I am) has other negatives.
On the plus side it does look like your hair is thick so in the long run you will be able to do more things with it... Mine is VERY fine (as well as having thin spot on top) which limits my options.
You have a bit more work to do. If you can afford it consider FFS. If not then then you really should do bangs.
Good Luck,
- Karen
Actually I'm pretty much agree with you. But I admit I have many times thought some people needs FFS etc. to pass, but has not mention it so much. I dare to say people doesn't pass, but urge to surgeries is something I've always been concerned about. I don't want to be guilty for someone undergo a surgery that might fail or something they regret at. HRT, haircuts, makeup etc. aren't so permanent as surgeries. I don't want people to feel the pressure to undergo expensive risky surgeries just to pass. To pass might be a heavy pressure for some people.
Quote from: barbie on July 07, 2016, 10:59:58 PM
Whether I pass or not, I will go to a nearby beach soon, although it may drizzle.
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Could I pass? ;D
barbie~~
Yes, you do pass. One thing I've noticed: It's much easier for many Asian people to pass compared to many European. It's because the sex features in many Asian genes are more androgynous, and therefor it's easier to do yourself more feminine or masculine. If you doesn't understand what I'm talking about, you can watch the video I'm linking to. Both genders in many Asian genetic are natural equal in height, shapes etc. Both genders is a bit smaller than the Northern European, they hasn't so much body hair and their facial features are more equal. I'm just talking from my own experience, what I've seen at the street, TV, news papers etc. You can google Kpop to see examples.
SPOILER ALERT! In this video a guy reveals to the watchers that he's a guy in this bra advert. But he's disguised as a woman in the beginning of this video. Yes, it's a Asian advert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0bC__I-Lqs
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 08, 2016, 07:19:06 AM
Yes, you do pass. One thing I've noticed: It's much easier for many Asian people to pass compared to many European. It's because the sex features in many Asian genes are more androgynous, and therefor it's easier to do yourself more feminine or masculine.
Yes. I also watched that ad video, thinking like you.
Yes. East Asian people generally have less skin hair than Europeans with huge variations among individuals. My wife and little daughter have more arm hair than me, although my wife does not have any noticeable leg hair. In my case, I used Tria to reduce leg hair, and it was quite successful.
A problem here is young girls tend to become fatter and fatter while young boys skinnier and skinnier. I do not know the exact reason, but the westernized life style together with huge dependence on cars for moving is certainly a major factor. Thus some boys are slimmer than most girls. On average, what I can say is that young men have prettier leg lines than young women here.
In my case, people used to say that my body gesture and sitting pose is more feminine. Of course, people used to say I look like a woman, or I have better be born woman when I was teen. They seldom used 'hansom', but mostly 'pretty' or 'cute' to praise my appearance.
My height is 6 feet, making me very tall with 4-inch heels. Even in European or both South and North American cities, I got a lot of attention both from men and women, even with flat sandals or sneakers. For example, a college girl at a public parking place in the D.C. area of the U.S. said hello to me, commenting "you are so much tall!" although I was wearing flat sandals.
barbie~~
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 07, 2016, 04:21:22 PMYou pass 110% for me. I reads you as a cis woman.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on July 07, 2016, 06:31:57 PMKristinaM, I think you also pass; you have a very cute look and an AMAZING smile! And I love how happy the baby looks too!!! But since you say you're self-conscious about being clocked, I will suggest this: don't put your cell phone in your front pocket. Only men do that, from what I've seen. Either put your cell phone in your back pocket (which I see young girls doing often), or put it in your purse/bag. Putting the phone in your front pocket makes your silhouette look less feminine.. if it's in your back pocket, it's like a natural extension of your butt. But in the front pocket... you have this bulge in the front of your pants, and it just messes up the clean lines of your figure. Just remember not to sit on your phone if you put it in the back pocket, lol. :)
D'awww, thank you both! As for the cellphone issue, I noticed that right away after the pictures were taken. It's a functional issue of the jeans I was wearing. The back pockets have flaps and buttons so I don't put anything in them. It's my only pair like that and I will never buy another! I've been putting my cellphone in my back pocket for years, so this pair really threw me, lol.
That's my daughter btw, and I am so so so glad that she will grow up only knowing the new and improved me! Her hair is kind of a golden strawberry and I hope it curls like mine when it gets longer.
Quote from: Wednesday on July 07, 2016, 08:24:24 PMYour results for just 6 months on HRT are really really good. You're very very difficult to read as transgender right now. Only a person who knows really good what to look for could tell, and this would be just because your brow ridge (and it's not even very noticeable). So If I were you I would stop worrying about passing issues.
Thank you, but I've been on HRT for just over 12 months actually. Only full time for nearly 7 months now; that's when I came out at work finally. The overhead sunshine lighting emphasized my brow in those shots, I won't disagree. I'll just carry an umbrella everywhere from now on, haha. Depending on how hormones continue to treat me I've considered some mild facial surgery on my brow and/or orbital sockets, the corners of my jaw line and possibly my nose. Just a couple millimeters here and there though, nothing major like implants I hope. Breast implants though may be inevitable; my girls are growing so slowly. Thanks goodness for pushup bras!
Quote from: barbie on July 07, 2016, 10:56:09 PMOh. So much lovely. You are a beauuuuutiful mom!
barbie~~
You've always been so kind to me Barbie, thank you.
Quote from: barbie on July 07, 2016, 10:59:58 PMWhether I pass or not, I will go to a nearby beach soon, although it may drizzle.
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Could I pass? ;D
barbie~~
I absolutely love this bathing suit. I don't know if I could pull it off, but daaaaang girl! You rock it, you rock it hard!
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Quote from: Confetti on July 08, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
some old pics and some new ones including body pics. im pre everything but any thoughts? :'(
Put the toilet seat down.
Quote from: alex82 on July 08, 2016, 03:20:10 PM
Put the toilet seat down.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
good shout LOL!
Quote from: janelleb on July 06, 2016, 06:23:26 PM
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Here's a recent. I get my smile [emoji19]. Sometimes I feel good about myself, most times I don't. What do you all think.
You doesn't pass as a cis woman. Perhaps getting some new glasses would help. These square masculine glasses would indeed make you appear more masculine. Your brow bridge and nose is another features that do passing harder.
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11 months of HRT ::) There is still a lot I want to change, but I am happy :D
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Ii posted this in the fabulous thread too but I wanted some feedback in here too,
I want to come out ASAP but i'm still pre everything and will have the wait for hormones so i'm a little worried about being full time with no hrt ???
Also the lighting and my cheekbones cast such a badly placed shadow on my face which makes it look like im trying to cover facial hair but I literally can't even grow any on the sides on my face in the places ???
Quote from: Confetti on July 11, 2016, 03:01:08 PM
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Ii posted this in the fabulous thread too but I wanted some feedback in here too,
I want to come out ASAP but i'm still pre everything and will have the wait for hormones so i'm a little worried about being full time with no hrt ???
Also the lighting and my cheekbones cast such a badly placed shadow on my face which makes it look like im trying to cover facial hair but I literally can't even grow any on the sides on my face in the places ???
From the picture you look like a gorgeous women... So i would def. say you can pass.
Quote from: Cassuk on July 11, 2016, 03:23:44 PM
From the picture you look like a gorgeous women... So i would def. say you can pass.
Thankyou so much :-*
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Ii posted this in the fabulous thread too but I wanted some feedback in here too,
I want to come out ASAP but i'm still pre everything and will have the wait for hormones so i'm a little worried about being full time with no hrt ???
Also the lighting and my cheekbones cast such a badly placed shadow on my face which makes it look like im trying to cover facial hair but I literally can't even grow any on the sides on my face in the places ???
You should be full time, or people would be suspicious. If they sees you presenting as male, they would think you're a woman who dress up. You looks feminine and cute for me. Your face could be a cis woman's one. But do you work out? If you do, you could consider to do lesser of it. I can see some muscles. (Yes, I know there both women and men with mucles after working out. But there are a difference between male and female muscles. From this picture it's hard to tell. But I can see some chest muscles that looks a bit big)
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 11, 2016, 03:36:03 PM
You should be full time, or people would be suspicious. If they sees you presenting as male, they would think you're a woman who dress up. You looks feminine and cute for me. Your face could be a cis woman's one. But do you work out? If you do, you could consider to do lesser of it. I can see some muscles. (Yes, I know there both women and men with mucles after working out. But there are a difference between male and female muscles. From this picture it's hard to tell. But I can see some chest muscles that looks a bit big)
Sebby, this post got me all kinds of emotional, thankyou :'( :D :D
I don't actually work out, i'm super lazy LOL! But I have a super fast metabolism and i'm really slim so i'm not sure theres much I can do about my chest right now :( I guess HRT will hopefully soften it all out, whenever that happens ::)
Quote from: Confetti on July 11, 2016, 03:42:03 PM
Sebby, this post got me all kinds of emotional, thankyou :'( :D :D
I don't actually work out, i'm super lazy LOL! But I have a super fast metabolism and i'm really slim so i'm not sure theres much I can do about my chest right now :( I guess HRT will hopefully soften it all out, whenever that happens ::)
Hopes I didn't make you upset. Was just a honest reply meant to help.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on July 11, 2016, 04:39:37 PM
Hopes I didn't make you upset. Was just a honest reply meant to help.
ofcourse not! I meant emotional in a good way haha!
I never expected that positive of a response, it means a lot to me :)
Quote from: Confetti on July 11, 2016, 03:01:08 PM
Ii posted this in the fabulous thread too but I wanted some feedback in here too,
I want to come out ASAP but i'm still pre everything and will have the wait for hormones so i'm a little worried about being full time with no hrt ???
Also the lighting and my cheekbones cast such a badly placed shadow on my face which makes it look like im trying to cover facial hair but I literally can't even grow any on the sides on my face in the places ???
Based on the photo, you look like a gorgeous woman, or you are.
I also once considered HRT, but gave up.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on July 11, 2016, 05:40:23 PM
Based on the photo, you look like a gorgeous woman, or you are.
I also once considered HRT, but gave up.
barbie~~
Thankyou so much Barbie,
, you look amazing in all your photos, you have those good looks you didn't even need it!
xx
Quote from: Confetti on July 11, 2016, 03:01:08 PM
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Ii posted this in the fabulous thread too but I wanted some feedback in here too,
I want to come out ASAP but i'm still pre everything and will have the wait for hormones so i'm a little worried about being full time with no hrt ???
Also the lighting and my cheekbones cast such a badly placed shadow on my face which makes it look like im trying to cover facial hair but I literally can't even grow any on the sides on my face in the places ???
I wish I looked as good as you. I'd say you definitely pass. Once you start hormones, no one will ever know. However, I hope you can do it before the slow poison of T effects you.
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 12, 2016, 12:50:19 AM
I wish I looked as good as you. I'd say you definitely pass. Once you start hormones, no one will ever know. However, I hope you can do it before the slow poison of T effects you.
Stevie, I think you look wonderful, Thankyou for always being so kind to me <3
I have always suspected that I have quite a low level of T, i'm going to ask my doctor for some blood work before I book an appointment with the private gender clinic and take the results with me so I guess I'll know in a few months!
Quote from: Confetti on July 12, 2016, 12:08:11 PM
Stevie, I think you look wonderful, Thankyou for always being so kind to me <3
I have always suspected that I have quite a low level of T, i'm going to ask my doctor for some blood work before I book an appointment with the private gender clinic and take the results with me so I guess I'll know in a few months!
Possibly low T Levels or something else... HEHEH Don't forget Genetics play a huge role in just about a little of everything! :P HRT will do you well no doubts in my mind! ^^
Quote from: Raye on July 12, 2016, 12:22:13 PM
Possibly low T Levels or something else... HEHEH Don't forget Genetics play a huge role in just about a little of everything! :P HRT will do you well no doubts in my mind! ^^
I never thought about that! :laugh: Thanks, Raye!
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I am pre hormones and all and am 24 so what do you think?
Dont know how visible it is for others but i already have pretty long hair but most of the time its in a ponytail.
Quote from: Sena on July 14, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
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I am pre hormones and all and am 24 so what do you think?
Dont know how visible it is for others but i already have pretty long hair but most of the time its in a ponytail.
Your face looks very feminine to me <3 After some time on HRT, it will get even better, as the fat shifts in more feminine ways. ^_^
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I am pre hormones and all and am 24 so what do you think?
Dont know how visible it is for others but i already have pretty long hair but most of the time its in a ponytail.
At HRT you can pass. Now you looks androgynous.
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thought i'd show a different angle, been feeling like my face shape is super masculine today, has anyone tried jawline contouring? ???
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thought i'd show a different angle, been feeling like my face shape is super masculine today, has anyone tried jawline contouring? ???
You look fine honey... and hormones slim your jaw line some as well. I wouldn't worry about it.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on July 15, 2016, 12:36:24 PM
You look fine honey... and hormones slim your jaw line some as well. I wouldn't worry about it.
I didn't know they did that too, thankyou! :D
Sure will... the muscles in your jaw will become less pronounced and your face will get a bit puffier. The combo does wonders.
Case in point
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Hey ! I'd like feedback again. I'm wondering whether or not I pass 100% female in the worst conditions.
Right now my dilemna is as follow :
- Even with boys clothes and no makeup, I get 100% "madam" and 0% "sir". Most friends of friends I encounter says that they would not have guessed. Most people don't seem to guess at all. It seems like I'm passing 100%.
- But I feel personnally - though I like myself - that I'm not read as female some times, especially when I'm in conditions where I'm not at my advantage. (wet hairs, different haircuts, some photo angles, etc.) I'm under the impression that even though I'm read as female, a lot of people give me weird looks. (the ones that says : there's something strange about this woman)
To sum it up, I'm under the impression that even though I pass, I still give a weird feeling, and under some circumstances people can understand that I'm trans.
For these reasons, I'm considering a FFS for peace of mind and to be able to stealth 100% if I want to.
What do you think ? Am I right, or just insecure ?
Here's photos with bare face and hair pulled back. I have a hard time seeing myself as female on those but friends tell me I look just female to them so I'm kinda lost.
Please be 100% frank, kindness will not help me in any way to make my choice ^^
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Yes, you are right. You should get FFS. Let me share my own experience. I also get 100% ma'am, miss, lady, etc. I also get 0% sir. Nobody ever questions my gender. My own biological sister tells me that I pass completely. She is happy to be seen with me in public, dining out, shopping, whatever. She tells me that I don't need FFS. Last weekend I was at a local transgender support group, and a newcomer told me that she thought I was a cis female when she first met me. Passing is not a problem for me at all.
But I also feel the same way that you do. There are definitely masculine features still present on my face, and it bothers me. Like you, I want FFS more for my own peace of mind rather than the ability to pass. And so, I am scheduled to have FFS next month. I am going to get my brow bone taken care of, and my adam's apple shaved. They are both not prominent, but they are still there, and they bother me.
You need to do what will make you happy and give you peace of mind. It doesn't matter what other people think or how well you pass. It's about what you need to do for yourself.
Quote from: Ange on August 10, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
Hey ! I'd like feedback again. I'm wondering whether or not I pass 100% female in the worst conditions.
Right now my dilemna is as follow :
- Even with boys clothes and no makeup, I get 100% "madam" and 0% "sir". Most friends of friends I encounter says that they would not have guessed. Most people don't seem to guess at all. It seems like I'm passing 100%.
- But I feel personnally - though I like myself - that I'm not read as female some times, especially when I'm in conditions where I'm not at my advantage. (wet hairs, different haircuts, some photo angles, etc.) I'm under the impression that even though I'm read as female, a lot of people give me weird looks. (the ones that says : there's something strange about this woman)
To sum it up, I'm under the impression that even though I pass, I still give a weird feeling, and under some circumstances people can understand that I'm trans.
For these reasons, I'm considering a FFS for peace of mind and to be able to stealth 100% if I want to.
What do you think ? Am I right, or just insecure ?
Here's photos with bare face and hair pulled back. I have a hard time seeing myself as female on those but friends tell me I look just female to them so I'm kinda lost.
Please be 100% frank, kindness will not help me in any way to make my choice ^^
I think you have quite a feminine look to you! I would definitely suggest seeing to your eyebrows though and having them neatened up and shaped a little, this will work wonders!
Recently...making progress, I think.
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Quote from: Ange on August 10, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
Hey ! I'd like feedback again. I'm wondering whether or not I pass 100% female in the worst conditions.
Right now my dilemna is as follow :
- Even with boys clothes and no makeup, I get 100% "madam" and 0% "sir". Most friends of friends I encounter says that they would not have guessed. Most people don't seem to guess at all. It seems like I'm passing 100%.
- But I feel personnally - though I like myself - that I'm not read as female some times, especially when I'm in conditions where I'm not at my advantage. (wet hairs, different haircuts, some photo angles, etc.) I'm under the impression that even though I'm read as female, a lot of people give me weird looks. (the ones that says : there's something strange about this woman)
To sum it up, I'm under the impression that even though I pass, I still give a weird feeling, and under some circumstances people can understand that I'm trans.
For these reasons, I'm considering a FFS for peace of mind and to be able to stealth 100% if I want to.
What do you think ? Am I right, or just insecure ?
Here's photos with bare face and hair pulled back. I have a hard time seeing myself as female on those but friends tell me I look just female to them so I'm kinda lost.
Please be 100% frank, kindness will not help me in any way to make my choice ^^
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You looks difference at these pictures than earlier pictures you have posted. In the earlier pictures you looked more androgynous. You have still some androgynous facial features, but there are some masculine features that makes passing harder. You have a Adam's apple and a big nose tip that make you appear more masculine. If you want to appear more feminine grooming your eyebrow might help a bit. Considering FFS isn't a stupid idea. Fixing the Adam's apple and the nose tip sounds like a smart idea if you want to be 100% stealth and passable. Sometimes strangers might "ma'am" you because they knows you would like it, not because they thinks you're cis. I have ma'amed some trans women and sir'ed some trans guy even they doesn't pass as cis to be polite. If you pass or not depends which angle people sees you from, clothing, hair etc. Your androgynous features have helped you a lot, but the features you have now isn't enough if you want to be 110% stealth.
Quote from: Karlie Ann on August 10, 2016, 09:11:01 PM
Recently...making progress, I think.
You don't pass yet, but yes, you are definitely making progress! Your new glasses really help a lot (compared to the glasses you are wearing in your profile photo). If you could do something to your hair to give it more volume at the top, it would help balance out your face.
Quote from: Ange on August 10, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
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Hello,
I know exactly what you mean by wanting the hard truth, I am the exact same way so here it goes:
The first 2 pics I would say you look female to me except for the tip of the nose and adam's apple. Your jaw has a nice roundness like typical female. But honestly in a quick passing, like walking by you, I wouldn't think twice about you. I'd see 100% woman.
The head-on pic i would say nose tip, adam's apple and shape those brows girl :) Your chin also looks a little wide.
The 2 side pics I'd say forehead, nose, adam's apple, eye brows need shaping, hair line is square and looks like it is receding.
This is what I see and are my opinions from analyzing a still picture for minutes. If I saw you on the street and did not know you were trans, then I wouldn't be looking so hard to critique every single part of your face and would see you as any other cis-girl. But since I am biased here, it's a little different. Also, I see the most masculine features from your right side profile pic so your last pic. I have this same problem where I see my right side as more masculine. I don't know what that's about lol :)
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You doesn't pass yet. You have something "drag queenish" thing with your makeup which make it harder to pass for you. The pointy makeup with the exaggerated colors screams attention and drag. It's strong-ish makeup that doesn't appear as a casual relaxed makeup which is used to every-days. If you get a more casual makeup, it would look lesser exaggerated and drag, then it would be easier to pass. My tips is to not use too strong colors, too pointy makeup with your eyes, and you should rather make it appear as you doesn't use ton of makeup.
It's difficult to tell 100% if you do pass in real life or not based at a picture where you makes a facial expression - so I can't see exactly how you really looks. You have some potential, but you have some facial features that's most associated with the male sex. The nose tip and the hairline is more at the masculine side. If you want a more exact opinion, it would helped with more pictures. Anyway, are you pre-HRT or on HRT? If you hasn't started yet, it's recommended to pass easier. Estrogen do soften your skin and facial features a bit.
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Been practising none stop with makeup the past few weeks. How am i looking? :-X
Quote from: Confetti on August 13, 2016, 11:00:31 AM
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Been practising none stop with makeup the past few weeks. How am i looking? :-X
you pass :) it's just one picture, so it's difficult to gauge how you are in real life. But in that one pic you're passing in my eyes. How old are you? I'm 19! You look young too, hooray for us starting early :)
Quote from: Aurorasky on August 13, 2016, 01:20:00 PM
you pass :) it's just one picture, so it's difficult to gauge how you are in real life. But in that one pic you're passing in my eyes. How old are you? I'm 19! You look young too, hooray for us starting early :)
thanks :) i've just turned 20! hooray for us haha! :D
Thank you for your detailed answers !
Well that confirms what I thought and I'll indeed go for a FFS :laugh: (but oh my, 15k €, where will I find that >_> )
This is my sister and me. I've been on HRT for almost 2 months; she of course was AFAB. Maybe I have a shot?
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Quote from: Karlie Ann on August 10, 2016, 09:11:01 PM
Recently...making progress, I think.
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You doesn't pass yet. Your glasses has improved a bit, but your facial features are a bit masculine. The nose and the brow bridge is some of the manly features you have. Perhaps a new hairstyle with more volume would improve your passing chance.
Your sister and you have some common facial features, but it's very easy to see who's cis and who's not cis. Your sister have a softer face with a nose which hasn't so sharp edges at it. From what I've seen, there are more men than women who has bigger nose, ears and sharper edge at their features - rough in some ways. Therefor these features are considered manly by many, but softness is seen as feminine. (I just mention the features I usually look at to see if a person is cis or not - that's general speaking) She has also feminine eyes, lesser brow bridge and softer skin. She just have some femininity in her which is both cis and hard to explain. It's not really easy to put word at it.
Thanks, Sebby. I know I'm a work in progress, and yeah, the hair is a thing. It's hard to have man hair when I'm out and at work and girl hair elsewhere. Same with my brows - It's a paradox - I'm afraid to style them femininely until I pass but in order to pass I need to style them femininely. At this point I just want to see if I'll ever have a remote chance of being taken as a woman or if I'll always be read by everyone as a man in a dress.
agreed with sebby, but you have potential
Hopes this isn't too offensive, but here is my honest reply to everybody who wants to pass and which might be the truth for some.
Clothing, HRT, hair styles, mannerism, voice training, makeup etc. can help with the passing ability including genes. But to be honest, it's not always enough to pass. It depends which genes you has, how early you started treatment and how much you want to pass. (How often you want to pass, passing as cis etc.) Sometime it's just simply not enough. Testosterone in most cases are stronger than estrogen and therefor can affect more. Therefor in some cases FFS are needed to pass. If you don't need it in order to pass, I doesn't encourage you to it. But if you want to pass, needs it for your health and safety, go for it if you can. If you're fine with not passing, looking like the opposite gender than your gender identity, not looking cis etc, it's good to hear and you doesn't need to do all this works. If passing is very important for you, you sometimes have to go so far as FFS and voice surgery. FFS and voice surgery involves risks, but it might give good result which is worth it.
This is the first time I post a picture of me on a forum.
I'm 54 years old.
I'm 9 monds on hrt and have my ffs 8 weeks ago. I now have the courage to post a picture.
I'm a happy girl.
What do you think, can I pass?
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The left picture is before everything, about two years ago, the right picture is two weeks ago.
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Not to take this off-topic, I hope this is the right place to post this.
Passing as female is not just about hair, make-up and clothes. It's about communicating in as many ways as you can that you are female. People tend to see and hear what they expect to see and hear and ignore the rest. Once the observer's mind registers "female" they won't change that decision unless you do something unexpected.
Even after all these years, I still see many imperfections in myself. However, people who have known me for years have no idea about my past. I'm not saying to ignore the cosmetic details because they are important. I'm suggesting that there are other things to work on that will help you.
The phone is particularly challenging. A few years ago a friend called and I used to answer with a simple "Hello." Well, my teenage son at the time still had a somewhat high voice and so she mistook me for my son - which kind of embarrassed me. Anyway, I now pick up the phone and answer "Hello this is Rhonda!" And make sure to use a strong upward inflection. I establish immediately, even if it's a stranger that they are speaking with a woman. My voice isn't that high, but I always get "ma'am" on the phone.
Also, I believe that it is about wearing what is appropriate for the context. What are other women wearing in a given locale? If you're wearing that, you won't stand out and people will think "just another woman." I tend to wear yoga pants, jeans and shorts a lot because that is common around here.
Finally, and this is most important. You have to learn how women act in public and this takes practice. For example, when women make eye contact in public, they quite often give each other a brief little smile. It's kind of a "let's be friends" smile. This also applies to the grocery checker or other women you interact with. So, when a woman looks you in the eye and smiles at you, smile right back! Also, you have to be relaxed and confident in yourself in public. You need to think "I look cute today!" not "Everyone is looking at me!!"
Hugs,
Rhonda
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on August 14, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
But to be honest, it's not always enough to pass. It depends which genes you has, how early you started treatment and how much you want to pass. (How often you want to pass, passing as cis etc.) Sometime it's just simply not enough. Testosterone in most cases are stronger than estrogen and therefor can affect more. Therefor in some cases FFS are needed to pass. If you don't need it in order to pass, I doesn't encourage you to it. But if you want to pass, needs it for your health and safety, go for it if you can. If you're fine with not passing, looking like the opposite gender than your gender identity, not looking cis etc, it's good to hear and you doesn't need to do all this works. If passing is very important for you, you sometimes have to go so far as FFS and voice surgery. FFS and voice surgery involves risks, but it might give good result which is worth it.
See, I can't afford surgery, and I am unfortunately 45 and it's far too late for me to do anything about it. I've been wavering on transition because I could not stand to be bullied as a guy "trying" to be a woman. I pretty much am figuring that I might as well give up and just spend the rest of my life miserably as a guy, regretting not transitioning earlier, to avoid that.
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"
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Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.
Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point
Mickie, I would say that contouring your nose would be a big help to slim it slightly. Other than that I'd say you have a very good base.
Quote from: Mickie on August 14, 2016, 11:26:13 PM
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"
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Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.
Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point
You have a nice base. Contouring your nose will help. Removing the beard and chest hair, and getting your eyebrows done will help hugely!!! When you can, do hrt. That will help with your overall facial structure.
Love, Sarina!
Quote from: Mickie on August 14, 2016, 11:26:13 PM
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"
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Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.
Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point
If you wants to pass as a woman you have to get rid of that beard and shape your eyebrows. Your nose is a masculine features. To pass as a woman or a androgynous person, you can try to make it appear a bit smaller with makeup. Big noses and brow bridges is masculine traits which make passing harder. Women also tends to have a rounder hairline, but if you want to look androgynous that isn't so necessary. Perhaps some kind of makeup can make you either appear androgynous or more feminine.
Quote from: Karlie Ann on August 14, 2016, 09:18:14 PM
See, I can't afford surgery, and I am unfortunately 45 and it's far too late for me to do anything about it. I've been wavering on transition because I could not stand to be bullied as a guy "trying" to be a woman. I pretty much am figuring that I might as well give up and just spend the rest of my life miserably as a guy, regretting not transitioning earlier, to avoid that.
I understand if you can't afford FFS. FFS is something some people only need to order to pass, not in order to live as a woman. You aren't lesser woman just because you can't afford it. People can't tell you how you want to spend your life. If you know you get miserable living as a guy, I doesn't think you should go for it. If you are happier as woman, it's recommended to go for that. You doesn't need to listening to people who hasn't so much knowledge about being trans and don't give up. It's your life, not theirs, so it's your choice. 45 isn't too old for FFS. Caitlyn Jenner underwent FFS at the age of 65. I don't think age is a issue as long the general health is good.
Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on August 14, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Not to take this off-topic, I hope this is the right place to post this.
Passing as female is not just about hair, make-up and clothes. It's about communicating in as many ways as you can that you are female. People tend to see and hear what they expect to see and hear and ignore the rest. Once the observer's mind registers "female" they won't change that decision unless you do something unexpected.
Even after all these years, I still see many imperfections in myself. However, people who have known me for years have no idea about my past. I'm not saying to ignore the cosmetic details because they are important. I'm suggesting that there are other things to work on that will help you.
The phone is particularly challenging. A few years ago a friend called and I used to answer with a simple "Hello." Well, my teenage son at the time still had a somewhat high voice and so she mistook me for my son - which kind of embarrassed me. Anyway, I now pick up the phone and answer "Hello this is Rhonda!" And make sure to use a strong upward inflection. I establish immediately, even if it's a stranger that they are speaking with a woman. My voice isn't that high, but I always get "ma'am" on the phone.
Also, I believe that it is about wearing what is appropriate for the context. What are other women wearing in a given locale? If you're wearing that, you won't stand out and people will think "just another woman." I tend to wear yoga pants, jeans and shorts a lot because that is common around here.
Finally, and this is most important. You have to learn how women act in public and this takes practice. For example, when women make eye contact in public, they quite often give each other a brief little smile. It's kind of a "let's be friends" smile. This also applies to the grocery checker or other women you interact with. So, when a woman looks you in the eye and smiles at you, smile right back! Also, you have to be relaxed and confident in yourself in public. You need to think "I look cute today!" not "Everyone is looking at me!!"
Hugs,
Rhonda
There's a lot of useful stuff in this post.
I try to use a variety of subtle cues to help me pass in everyday life.
The smiling thing is important, even though I have to really try and concentrate to do it, and not awkwardly immediately look away when someone looks at me, which is my default reaction. There are certainly days when I really feel very confident and then it all falls into place. Other days I feel awkward and conspicuous, and I know that people pick up on that. It's hard to face each day with endless confidence and chirpy upbeat smiles.
I find that my voice seems to work well on the 'phone, and my partner has commented that my 'phone voice' is much higher in pitch and has more inflection than my face-to-face speaking voice. I rely more on my looks when face-to-face, and I just can't seem to get my 'phone voice to work for me when I'm not on the 'phone.
I too always establish my gender (by name) as soon as possible in a 'phone conversation, this helps no end.
I find that if I smile while talking, (again this works well on the 'phone) then this seems to help.
I've always had this patient, quiet, hesitant demeanour, it makes me particularly easy to be ignored or talked over. And that thing where guys just ignore or talk over women, that always happens to me. The thing was, it used to happen to me before I transitioned, and so, rightly or wrongly, it seems more in-keeping with how I am now.
There's a knowing look that women give each other, and occasionally I can receive and give it, and that is a nice feeling all of it's own.
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
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If I saw you in a store and you were in female clothes with a little makeup, I wouldn't question that you were a woman. The shape of your body is a little masculine but you can fix that with a little weight loss and evercise, and mask it with clothing. I think you look great [emoji4]
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Quote from: KatelynRain on August 15, 2016, 10:06:10 AM
If I saw you in a store and you were in female clothes with a little makeup, I wouldn't question that you were a woman. The shape of your body is a little masculine but you can fix that with a little weight loss and evercise, and mask it with clothing. I think you look great [emoji4]
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Thank you so much. That's very kind of you.
The biggest hurdle I face now is presenting female in voice as well. I was made aware that I've been lazy on that and was told so at work. Not in those terms, but they attempt to gender me correctly, but it becomes hard when they hear my voice.
So.....with that said, I have to work on a well rounded presentation.
That, and to stop being lazy and scared.
Thanks again ;)
Quote from: KatelynRain on August 15, 2016, 10:06:10 AM
If I saw you in a store and you were in female clothes with a little makeup, I wouldn't question that you were a woman. The shape of your body is a little masculine but you can fix that with a little weight loss and evercise, and mask it with clothing. I think you look great [emoji4]
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I haven't hear of evercise! Is it better that exercise?
Sorry of it sounded rude. I just saw comedic value in it and went for it. But I do agree with what you say about her as well.
Love, Sarina!
No attempts at passing, just rocking some new clothes (yes, the hoodie is way too big). Thoughts?
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Quote from: Kittenwolf on August 16, 2016, 06:02:49 AM
No attempts at passing, just rocking some new clothes (yes, the hoodie is way too big). Thoughts?
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Since you asked, you would receive a honest reply. Your clothes reminds me a bit about the 1990 to 2005 style. It's not very modern clothing, it's a bit outdated. But it doesn't need to mean it's negative, if you likes to stand out a bit. How old are you btw? The miniskirt combined with so much pink and purple is very youthful. With youth I doesn't mean adult, but younger than that. From my experience I've seen most young children with clothes like that where I live. I've no idea how it's in your country, but here I live I've experienced it. If you cares about others opinions and want to dress properly from the society's view in situation you think you would need it (e.g. getting jobs, party etc), I would recommend you a more adult like clothes style. If you don't care about other's opinions, I think you should go for what you want.
Pink and purple clothes with miniskirt and 2005 hoodie is associated with children where I live. You doesn't need to follow the newest fashion. But wearing lesser pink would improve your style a bit in my opinion. Getting some denim jeans and plain white t-shirts would improve it and suit you, I think.
I also recommend you to go to the hairdresser to get more volume in your hair so it appear thicker. But the bang hairstyle is fine if I look away from that. Passing wouldn't be a big problem for you. You have a soft feminine face, so don't worry about that. It's up to you what you want to do with your style, I just shared my honest thoughts.
Two recent pictures. What do you think?
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Quote from: EmmaMcAllister on August 16, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
Two recent pictures. What do you think?
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I especially like the picture with your hair down; you look really pretty 😊
Thanks :)
Quote from: EmmaMcAllister on August 16, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
Two recent pictures. What do you think?
I think you look really brilliant. Tastefully done.
Quote from: Mickie on August 14, 2016, 11:26:13 PM
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"
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Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.
Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point
Hate to say this but you look pretty hot as a boy in that pic <3
Surgery wise, based on the picture, nosejob and liplift (maybe filler on upper lip too). Jaw/chin? Not completely sure but likely.
Quote from: Wednesday on August 17, 2016, 02:26:22 PM
Hate to say this but you look pretty hot as a boy in that pic <3
Surgery wise, based on the picture, nosejob and liplift (maybe filler on upper lip too). Jaw/chin? Not completely sure but likely.
Yeah I second that. Hot man. I know that's not what you want to hear. You may well look androgynous, but if I saw you in a bar, my first thought wouldn't be androgynous, it'd be 'that's tonight's target'.
I'd say a nose job at the sides, and some heavy plucking. It's hard to tell really, so maybe androgynous is a good fit...there's nothing screaming 'potential disaster' just as there is nothing screaming the truth of what you feel.
Quote from: Mickie on August 14, 2016, 11:26:13 PM
I don't usually post in here, but I'm curious what it would take to pass.... So I figured I'd ask the "experts"
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Yeah, beard, I know. Yeah eyebrows, I know.
Honestly, I'd be happy to pass for androgynous at this point
Just so you know, from what I've seen the hot guys tend to turn in to beautiful girls, so don't worry about that ;) x
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on August 16, 2016, 07:13:37 AM
Since you asked, you would receive a honest reply. Your clothes reminds me a bit about the 1990 to 2005 style. It's not very modern clothing, it's a bit outdated. But it doesn't need to mean it's negative, if you likes to stand out a bit. How old are you btw? The miniskirt combined with so much pink and purple is very youthful. With youth I doesn't mean adult, but younger than that. From my experience I've seen most young children with clothes like that where I live. I've no idea how it's in your country, but here I live I've experienced it. If you cares about others opinions and want to dress properly from the society's view in situation you think you would need it (e.g. getting jobs, party etc), I would recommend you a more adult like clothes style. If you don't care about other's opinions, I think you should go for what you want.
Pink and purple clothes with miniskirt and 2005 hoodie is associated with children where I live. You doesn't need to follow the newest fashion. But wearing lesser pink would improve your style a bit in my opinion. Getting some denim jeans and plain white t-shirts would improve it and suit you, I think.
I also recommend you to go to the hairdresser to get more volume in your hair so it appear thicker. But the bang hairstyle is fine if I look away from that. Passing wouldn't be a big problem for you. You have a soft feminine face, so don't worry about that. It's up to you what you want to do with your style, I just shared my honest thoughts.
I wouldn't be wearing this as normal day-to-day :)
Well, the hoodie would be a 'whenever' kind of thing but the skater skirt would be whenever it seems appropriate, most often it'd likely be the skater skirt and a dark top, and the hoodie would go with whatever pants/skirt I happened to be wearing at the time.
Not that I mind looking younger than I am mind you!
And I've got an appointment next week to get a perm (well, soft perm which should last about a month) which ought to take care of the volume issue!
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One year (okay, 2 days before it had reached one year) on HRT.
No attempt at "passing," but I only bust out the makeup once every few months nowadays, so this is how I look 99% of the time. I'm happy with it. :)
Quote from: ainawa88 on August 18, 2016, 10:17:59 AM
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One year (okay, 2 days before it had reached one year) on HRT.
No attempt at "passing," but I only bust out the makeup once every few months nowadays, so this is how I look 99% of the time. I'm happy with it. :)
I'd be happy looking like that too!! ;)
Quote from: ainawa88 on August 18, 2016, 10:17:59 AM
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One year (okay, 2 days before it had reached one year) on HRT.
No attempt at "passing," but I only bust out the makeup once every few months nowadays, so this is how I look 99% of the time. I'm happy with it. :)
The nose and the brow bridge might give people a idea you aren't cisgender, but you have potential to pass. :)
Congratulation with 1 year! :)
I haven't yet started hrt, but I thought I'd throw my hat in anyhow and see what y'all think [emoji5] (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160819%2F00a398db28cba76a56ee42d226896b0f.jpg&hash=02954ea07f29e3cdc90030b3a6417c8bce84dc93)
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very cute! Based on that pic, you will transition well, you are already there :)
Quote from: sailorscout4761 on August 19, 2016, 12:21:59 PM
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It's a start, but I thinks the hair looks wig-ish and you aren't passing yet. :) It's something with the hairline and the hair parting which looks wig-ish. Perhaps the wig sits too low at your head, so you can drag it a bit back, so it would sit better.
Thanks for your honest feedback😊. I'm sure I'm my own worst critic, but I always feel like I just look like a boy in a wig. I really want to start hrt as soon as possible. Any thoughts on how that may affect my look physically, if at all?
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Well in my honest opinion I do think you would pass. If I happened to pass by you as you were taking the photo I would assume you were a woman. People around me tell me they see a definite difference in my appearance since beginning HRT even though I can't say I do.
Quote from: sailorscout4761 on August 19, 2016, 12:21:59 PM
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Honest feedback. I don't think you would pass quite yet, but you'll get there.
One thing that I notice right away are the eyebrows. Going to a salon to get them shaped would be a big improvement.
I'll echo what Sebby and Rhonda said. The wig looks extremely fake to me. You may want to visit a wig shop and try on many different kinds to see which one looks the most natural. Getting a second opinion from someone who works there will also help in choosing the right one.
The eyebrows are also a big give-away. If nothing else, women always shape and trim their eyebrows - even when they don't wear any makeup. It's one of the most important facial features that distinguishes men from women.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on August 20, 2016, 12:37:54 PM
I'll echo what Sebby and Rhonda said. The wig looks extremely fake to me. You may want to visit a wig shop and try on many different kinds to see which one looks the most natural. Getting a second opinion from someone who works there will also help in choosing the right one.
The eyebrows are also a big give-away. If nothing else, women always shape and trim their eyebrows - even when they don't wear any makeup. It's one of the most important facial features that distinguishes men from women.
I'm agree. It's always nice to hear several people's opinions and that's more helpful I thinks.
Another thing which is a difference between most women and men is their facial features like jawline, brow bridge, nose size and edge, Adam's apple, facial hair and the skin. Body shape, how much muscles you has etc. have a lot to say at passing too. But attitude and facial expressions might also help. Many women in many societies tends to smile more - in a feminine way.
Thanks so much ladies, I'm so happy to be finally heading in the right direction !
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Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
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I'm a little late to the party, but I'd like to chime in if I may as an FTM on the other side of the tracks.
For having only been on HRT for 6 months at the time this image was taken, I'd say you're definitely on the right course.
At the moment, you look like a large number of Midwestern women I know. I'm not saying that to be rude (please don't take it that way), mind you, but you have a very 'salt of the earth' look about you like you're a woman that's not afraid to get your hands dirty but can doll it up at a moments notice.
Your fat distribution and whatnot will continue to gradually change and aid you even further in your endeavor. For now, you appear to have very smooth/nice skin and your hair is working a lot in your favor as far as passing goes. There's something about its casual curl that gives it a fullness and comes across as very feminine.
Your lips are a little thin--not necessarily masculine, but they're the one feature I keep coming back to and questioning as I look at your overall features--but I suspect a bit more time on E will help round them out a bit.
On the other hand, you don't have a predominant brow ridge at all and it makes your features overall a lot more female-reading.
It appears enough time on E may just be all you need. You don't seem to have any immediately pressing 'masculine' features (large brow/strong jaw/squared shoulders/etc.). Your appearance so far reads about 80% female to me personally.
Quote from: Stone Magnum on August 20, 2016, 11:51:22 PM
I'm a little late to the party, but I'd like to chime in if I may as an FTM on the other side of the tracks.
For having only been on HRT for 6 months at the time this image was taken, I'd say you're definitely on the right course.
At the moment, you look like a large number of Midwestern women I know. I'm not saying that to be rude (please don't take it that way), mind you, but you have a very 'salt of the earth' look about you like you're a woman that's not afraid to get your hands dirty but can doll it up at a moments notice.
Your fat distribution and whatnot will continue to gradually change and aid you even further in your endeavor. For now, you appear to have very smooth/nice skin and your hair is working a lot in your favor as far as passing goes. There's something about its casual curl that gives it a fullness and comes across as very feminine.
Your lips are a little thin--not necessarily masculine, but they're the one feature I keep coming back to and questioning as I look at your overall features--but I suspect a bit more time on E will help round them out a bit.
On the other hand, you don't have a predominant brow ridge at all and it makes your features overall a lot more female-reading.
It appears enough time on E may just be all you need. You don't seem to have any immediately pressing 'masculine' features (large brow/strong jaw/squared shoulders/etc.). Your appearance so far reads about 80% female to me personally.
These are great comments and I agree. You're dressed like women in a small town like where I live and that works in your favor. Most folks won't scutinize what they see 100 times a day. Wear heals and a formal dress and you might look like you're trying too hard depending on the circumstances. In other words, your attire blends in.
With a lip pencil in your natural lip color, you can make your lips appear a little larger by drawing just a little outside the vermillion. There was an article in red book about this that I may post somewhere.
Definitely keep earrings in. To me your face is somewhat androgynous, so my eyes find clues like earrings and breasts and sub-conscious says female. I personally wear a simple pendant necklace most days as another signal. Think of it as finding subtle but effective ways to communicate your gender. The more the better as long as they aren't out of place like pearls with a tshirt.
In a photo it's difficult to tell if you've properly covered the facial hair. That is something that is important. If people are unsure they may look closer. It's a good idea after the foundation or pan stick to go over it with powder as well as this gives a more natural look.
Oh my , thank you for the very kind words.
I think I'm actually accepting that I'm becoming more passable physically which leads me to my biggest problem. Voice.
Even more than any beard shadow. My voice is such a fail.
I've been offered help here and I will follow up on that. I think I'm feeling more self conscious of my voice then my appearance these days. I am replacing my wardrobe with only woman's clothing.
I got called sweetie tonight at work by a distracted male customer , but he apologized when he heard my voice. It's a minor confirmation on appearance but a major indicator that my voice is my downfall.
Thank you again for the kind comments. They really have me a little lift. Of course, I just had a couple of drinks with a girl from work, so I'm feeling a little more emotional and probably rambling a little too. Lol
Thanks and good night
Hey Girls, ok I have been officialy one month on HRT, I don't know if its appropriate to talk about it here, but it has been fantastic, well honestly not much has changed bar my skin feels so soft and my smell has changed.
No breast growth yet, but I'm not worrying, I have never been down by the whole me being trans thing, I'v always been a happy person, but now its like a whole new level, I smile so much And when I laugh, oh Lord I can't stop.
I think its the knowing my body is no longer growing in the wrong direction.
Anyhow, here is a few photos again, still can't do my brows as I am still not out yet. This is my natural hair too, no extensions this time.
(https://imgur.com/abZXn5N.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/MYjBrmN.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/Jh45aHn.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/OWO6fcm.jpg)
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Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
Hey Girls, ok I have been officaily one month on HRT, I don't know if its appropriate to talk about it here, but it has been fantastic, well honestly not much has changed bar my skin feels so soft and my smell has changed.
No breast growth yet, but I'm not worrying, I have never been down by the whole me being trans thing, I'v always been a happy person, but now its like a whole new level, I smile so much And when I laugh, oh Lord I can't stop.
I think its the knowing my body is no longer growing in the wrong direction.
Anyhow, here is a few photos again, still can't do my brows as I am still not out yet. This is my natural hair too, no extensions this time.
(https://imgur.com/abZXn5N.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/MYjBrmN.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/Jh45aHn.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/OWO6fcm.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/M9xMC64.jpg)
In my opinion it's smart to come out before being too long on HRT because family and friends might get suspicious when they sees your changes and they would probably not understand what's going on. Softer skin and other HRT effects is a closer step for passing and may be visible changes. I thinks it's better to prepare people around you and be honest with them. If you're honest with them, it's a greater chance they would be more supportive and used to your changes, because then it wouldn't be a too big surprise for them. You're still not passing as cis yet, but you have some femininity which is hard to hide for related I think. It's two things that can happen. It's either they finding out you're trans by themselves or you telling them you're trans, in either way they may find it out. HRT can be powerful.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on August 21, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
In my opinion it's smart to come out before being too long on HRT because family and friends might get suspicious when they sees your changes and they would probably not understand what's going on.
I agree, although since everyone's response is different, it might be even better to come out before starting. For me, it comes down to career more than what family thinks. Knowing I am accepted at work (I have not come out to anyone but a select few there but we have an excellent corporate gender policy as well as anyone with eyes should already have an idea) but family acceptance is great, but having a job makes their acceptance or lack thereof more of a meh thing for me.
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Thanks Sebby and Lillianna, I hope I can pass properly someday, my eyebrows really bug me now!
And I know I must do something abouts this coming out pickle, thanks again guys!
Quote from: StevieC9 on August 21, 2016, 05:43:37 AM
Oh my , thank you for the very kind words.
I think I'm actually accepting that I'm becoming more passable physically which leads me to my biggest problem. Voice.
Even more than any beard shadow. My voice is such a fail.
I've been offered help here and I will follow up on that. I think I'm feeling more self conscious of my voice then my appearance these days. I am replacing my wardrobe with only woman's clothing.
I got called sweetie tonight at work by a distracted male customer , but he apologized when he heard my voice. It's a minor confirmation on appearance but a major indicator that my voice is my downfall.
Thank you again for the kind comments. They really have me a little lift. Of course, I just had a couple of drinks with a girl from work, so I'm feeling a little more emotional and probably rambling a little too. Lol
Thanks and good night
The voice thing is manageable. It's good that you're getting help. My biggest advice would be to practice, practice, practice. I know this is going to sound weird, but talk to yourself a lot. When my voice started dropping, I struggled a little with continuing to project through my stomach (as females typically do) as opposed to my chest. After spending a bit of time chatting with myself during commutes/nightly showers/etc., I got the hang of appropriately projecting. In my case, I wasn't carrying any sort of female inflections (the tendency to go up an octave at the end of a sentence, generally sounding more melodic) so that was a benefit.
With enough conditioning, your speech patterns and projections will become second nature. It may seem rough at first and require a ton of concentration and energy, but you'll pull through.
Just remember this: Female voices come in a -lot- of different tones and not all of them are high or even mid pitched. The intonations are 90% of what makes a voice sound feminine. You've got this.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
Hey Girls, ok I have been officialy one month on HRT, I don't know if its appropriate to talk about it here, but it has been fantastic, well honestly not much has changed bar my skin feels so soft and my smell has changed.
No breast growth yet, but I'm not worrying, I have never been down by the whole me being trans thing, I'v always been a happy person, but now its like a whole new level, I smile so much And when I laugh, oh Lord I can't stop.
I think its the knowing my body is no longer growing in the wrong direction.
Anyhow, here is a few photos again, still can't do my brows as I am still not out yet. This is my natural hair too, no extensions this time.
(https://imgur.com/abZXn5N.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/MYjBrmN.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/Jh45aHn.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/OWO6fcm.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/eDXUagO.jpg)
I don't foresee you having any issues whatsoever passing. Once your eyebrows are groomed (I know you can't at the moment), your face will change drastically.
There's a little bit of tightness going on around your mouth that appears as though it will soften with fat redistribution. It looks clenched in a way and it's difficult to tell if it's from muscle tone or not. Regardless, it's a minor thing and I'm only pointing it out because there tends to be a softness around a woman's mouth region; I'd imagine in your 1 month - 1 year comparison pictures, you'll see the difference as it won't be an immediately noticeable change.
Coming out is scary as hell but it feels great once it's out in the open.
You can't control anyone's reactions but your own. Be prepared for the worst (role play scenarios in your head), take a deep breath and go for it because you deserve to live a life you can call your own.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
Hey Girls, ok I have been officialy one month on HRT, I don't know if its appropriate to talk about it here, but it has been fantastic, well honestly not much has changed bar my skin feels so soft and my smell has changed.
No breast growth yet, but I'm not worrying, I have never been down by the whole me being trans thing, I'v always been a happy person, but now its like a whole new level, I smile so much And when I laugh, oh Lord I can't stop.
I think its the knowing my body is no longer growing in the wrong direction.
Anyhow, here is a few photos again, still can't do my brows as I am still not out yet. This is my natural hair too, no extensions this time.
(https://imgur.com/abZXn5N.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/MYjBrmN.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/Jh45aHn.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/OWO6fcm.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/eDXUagO.jpg)
Based on these photos with a little facial grooming and further HRT you're a very pretty pass.
Take every post on here with a pinch of salt.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
Thanks Sebby and Lillianna, I hope I can pass properly someday, my eyebrows really bug me now!
And I know I must do something abouts this coming out pickle, thanks again guys!
You are straight up gorgeous! When you can do your brows and go full time, nothing will stop you!
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Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on August 20, 2016, 01:41:32 AM
Honest feedback. I don't think you would pass quite yet, but you'll get there.
One thing that I notice right away are the eyebrows. Going to a salon to get them shaped would be a big improvement.
Here is what you would look like with a nice make-up job, good lighting, and a little sculpting of your noggin, I see nothing to be ashamed of. I hope this gives you confidence to proceed.
http://imgur.com/a/wTI83
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
Hey Girls, ok I have been officialy one month on HRT
I came out to my parents and sister at my one-month mark on HRT. It's a good time to come out. You know by now how the HRT makes you feel, and whether you want to continue or not. And telling them early will send a message to them that you want them to be included and a part of your transition.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
I hope I can pass properly someday, my eyebrows really bug me now!
You know, you're allowed to groom your eyebrows, even as a man. :) Take a look at photos of Kevin Spacey or Robert Downey Jr. You'll notice their eyebrows are trimmed and shaped. Yours are just all over the place. Go to a salon and ask to get your eyebrows waxed. You can go in boy mode. Salons are used to seeing men coming in to get their eyebrows done. Several months before I came out, and many months before I went full-time, I started getting my eyebrow waxed and threaded. They can give you a shape that is not overly feminine - a shape that suits a man. But it'll still look way better than your current eyebrows, both in male mode and female mode! You'll look better and more importantly feel better. It's totally worth it!! :)
Getting closer to the time I planned on coming out! Will hopefully be on HRT by the end of the year.
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Got some new matte lipsticks yesterday, love the colour!
How am I doing?
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 21, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
Anyhow, here is a few photos again, still can't do my brows as I am still not out yet. This is my natural hair too, no extensions this time.
Take every post on here with a pinch of salt.
A picture is worth a thousand words and I'm an introvert so I never get to a thousand words.
http://imgur.com/a/WXSX0
Thank you Dawn for the edited pics, kinda see what my eyebrows can look like!
And thank you, Emily, April and Stone if that is your name :')
The coming out thing is the scariest thing in my life, my mother is super religious, and my dad has always been the most Macho Hard man ther is, I really dont know what to do, I told my mum six years ago, after a few days she stopped talking about it and made me feel wierd, and then I went back to hidding for years :(
And Confetti, you look stunning! You have no problem passing I think.
Quote from: Confetti on August 21, 2016, 04:24:50 PM
Getting closer to the time I planned on coming out! Will hopefully be on HRT by the end of the year.
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Got some new matte lipsticks yesterday, love the colour!
How am I doing?
So you are not out yet and nor are you on HRT? You seems like you have been full of estrogen most part of your life like a average cis woman and doesn't people get suspicious since you're not out yet? You could be a cis woman. Pretending to be a guy must be hard for you.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on August 22, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
And Confetti, you look stunning! You have no problem passing I think.
Thanks Christine!
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on August 22, 2016, 11:31:41 AM
So you are not out yet and nor are you on HRT? You seems like you have been full of estrogen most part of your life like a average cis woman and doesn't people get suspicious since you're not out yet? You could be a cis woman. Pretending to be a guy must be hard for you.
I'm not out or on HRT, no! Thanks Sebby :)
Quote from: Confetti on August 22, 2016, 12:48:27 PM
Thanks Christine!
I'm not out or on HRT, no! Thanks Sebby :)
So if you do present yourself as "male", how do you manage to do it? You seems more passable as female than male at the pictures you have shared with us.
OK, I gotta ask. :)
I'm almost 3 months into HRT, and I think I can see a change in appearance. The question is, is it enough? I almost always get "Ma'am"ed just because this is a fairly accepting region of the country I'm in, but I also get clocked from time to time.
Stat-wise, I'm 62, 5'8", 139 lbs, 34B top; 36", 30" waist, 36" hips.
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/47977-030916155850.jpeg)
Any tips or suggestions on improvements in my presentation are appreciated.
Michelle, I think it is the hair. It doesn't look very natural. And perhaps a different set of frames
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM
OK, I gotta ask. :)
I'm almost 3 months into HRT, and I think I can see a change in appearance. The question is, is it enough? I almost always get "Ma'am"ed just because this is a fairly accepting region of the country I'm in, but I also get clocked from time to time.
Stat-wise, I'm 62, 5'8", 139 lbs, 34B top; 36", 30" waist, 36" hips.
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/47977-030916155850.jpeg)
Any tips or suggestions on improvements in my presentation are appreciated.
Some changes can take up to 1-3 years to fully manifest, so be patient! :) Use make-up, it works! :) More effeminate glasses would help. Best wishes!
I second that make up comment... makeup is a godsend!
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 03, 2016, 10:01:35 PM
I second that make up comment... makeup is a godsend!
I know gurrrl! Makeup rocks, I love it! :)
Thanks. Sounds like I have a task list.
1) Get the hair styled. I like the color and length, but yeah, it is a bit... Off.
2) Makeup. Practice, practice, and more practice (and watch those YouTube videos...)
3) Glasses. Yeah. The tortoiseshell frames are better than my old steel gray ones, but not by much.
Thanks, everyone!
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 03, 2016, 11:29:15 PM
Thanks. Sounds like I have a task list.
1) Get the hair styled. I like the color and length, but yeah, it is a bit... Off.
2) Makeup. Practice, practice, and more practice (and watch those YouTube videos...)
3) Glasses. Yeah. The tortoiseshell frames are better than my old steel gray ones, but not by much.
Thanks, everyone!
Oh, of course... if you're comfortable and it sounds like you are, get a lady at the mall makeup counter to hook you up with pointers... generally they will do it for free if you purchase like $30 or 50 in products. Which is super easy to do... or schedule an appointment with them or an aesthetician to review your makeup and give you lessons.
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A picture is worth a thousand words and I'm an introvert so I never get to a thousand words.
http://imgur.com/a/WXSX0
Wow you are talented !!
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Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 03, 2016, 11:34:30 PM
Oh, of course... if you're comfortable and it sounds like you are, get a lady at the mall makeup counter to hook you up with pointers... generally they will do it for free if you purchase like $30 or 50 in products. Which is super easy to do... or schedule an appointment with them or an aesthetician to review your makeup and give you lessons.
D'oh! I can't believe I didn't think about that. Yeah, definitely a good plan. I've got Sephora and Ulta nearby, along with every department store. (Even a Nyx store, but I DO NOT WANT pointers from there. The clerks look like they belong in a San Francisco revue, and they're ciswomen!)
I may just get the wig professionally restyled, too. Needs more volume, I think.
ChristineRachel......you are way too attractive to not come out.....you gotta live and enjoy your real self
Thank you Markie, sometimes a wee boost is nice, and today I needed that. :3
Pleasure : )
Hi all its been a while since I've posted .
I hit 2 year mark last month and I honestly can't believe how fast time has gone even though In my mind it felt like time stood still.
I Had BA 4 months ago and the confidence boost that gave me was amazing .
Booked in for gender surgery next year to say I'm excited is a understatement .
For me surgeries are important for
My journey I know not
Everyone wants certain ops it all comes down to how you feel in the end .
You all look amazing and happy btw xxoo.(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2Fab87bf447faa95aa65818e4e645f32a1.jpg&hash=aa0588d4a6a0a12b139ebaa659166d44948c2b59)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2F291f669451ba79b914eff29122299152.jpg&hash=9319603afec01eeff60047e2c5facb5cc88514b4)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2Fe16580dcd8d3c68af1a8549d70bfc44c.jpg&hash=c946dc1afe297da8176aae3e958840e6e0c0dc4b)
Thought I'd chuck a before and after in as well [emoji12]
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Quote from: Michelle_P on September 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM
OK, I gotta ask. :)
I'm almost 3 months into HRT, and I think I can see a change in appearance. The question is, is it enough? I almost always get "Ma'am"ed just because this is a fairly accepting region of the country I'm in, but I also get clocked from time to time.
Stat-wise, I'm 62, 5'8", 139 lbs, 34B top; 36", 30" waist, 36" hips.
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/47977-030916155850.jpeg)
Any tips or suggestions on improvements in my presentation are appreciated.
Hope you don't mind if I pipe in, but thought I'd add something that hadn't been mentioned. Aside from the glasses, hair, makeup, one thing I thought might contribute to you getting "clocked" is your eyebrows. They look a bit bushier than you'd see on a lot of women in your age group (obviously there are exceptions, but many cis women over 60, their body hair tends to become more sparse as they get older). Thinning your eyebrows out a bit could help as well with passing :)
Quote from: Berserk on September 04, 2016, 09:40:41 AM
Hope you don't mind if I pipe in, but thought I'd add something that hadn't been mentioned. Aside from the glasses, hair, makeup, one thing I thought might contribute to you getting "clocked" is your eyebrows. They look a bit bushier than you'd see on a lot of women in your age group (obviously there are exceptions, but many cis women over 60, their body hair tends to become more sparse as they get older). Thinning your eyebrows out a bit could help as well with passing :)
Thanks. Yeah, I need to get them thinned and shaped a little bit. They're mostly hidden behind glasses frames, but obviously not all the way. As a patch I sometimes use a small amount of a gel (like Vasoline) to smooth them out and help hold a little brow powder, but they are a couple of gray caterpillars in that shot. I didn't put anything on beyond a light foundation and a little concealer on what's left on my upper lip (mostly to cover red patches from skin chemo recently). So, I've got my work cut out for me. Nothing major, I just need to start making an effort more often.
I'm so lazy. ;)
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM
Any tips or suggestions on improvements in my presentation are appreciated.
How about trying eye makeup such as eye liner and mascara?
Also you may consider wearing lip stick (red would be nice).
barbie~~
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 04, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
Thanks. Yeah, I need to get them thinned and shaped a little bit. They're mostly hidden behind glasses frames, but obviously not all the way. As a patch I sometimes use a small amount of a gel (like Vasoline) to smooth them out and help hold a little brow powder, but they are a couple of gray caterpillars in that shot. I didn't put anything on beyond a light foundation and a little concealer on what's left on my upper lip (mostly to cover red patches from skin chemo recently). So, I've got my work cut out for me. Nothing major, I just need to start making an effort more often.
I'm so lazy. ;)
Haha, yeah I getcha. Before I came out despite being an overall masculine person anyway, for some reason I thought it was "necessary" despite all that to have thinner eyebrows (being a typical Greek, my eyebrows are definitely not of the thin variety naturally). It was always a pain in the ***. One thing I used to find though is once you get it done the first time by someone else, from there on you can kind of do it yourself by plucking at the spots you need to as they grow back in. At least I found as the hair grew back in it was easier to see what had been there before and what's new growth. So from a laziness and cost perspective it'll likely get a bit easier on that front if you wanna take that approach :P
Quote from: Summer on September 04, 2016, 07:33:09 AM
Hi all its been a while since I've posted .
I hit 2 year mark last month and I honestly can't believe how fast time has gone even though In my mind it felt like time stood still.
I Had BA 4 months ago and the confidence boost that gave me was amazing .
Booked in for gender surgery next year to say I'm excited is a understatement .
For me surgeries are important for
My journey I know not
Everyone wants certain ops it all comes down to how you feel in the end .
You all look amazing and happy btw xxoo.(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2Fab87bf447faa95aa65818e4e645f32a1.jpg&hash=aa0588d4a6a0a12b139ebaa659166d44948c2b59)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2F291f669451ba79b914eff29122299152.jpg&hash=9319603afec01eeff60047e2c5facb5cc88514b4)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2Fe16580dcd8d3c68af1a8549d70bfc44c.jpg&hash=c946dc1afe297da8176aae3e958840e6e0c0dc4b)
Thought I'd chuck a before and after in as well [emoji12]
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You look nice, in that first pic you look a little like Rachel from "Friends." :)
Quote from: Summer on September 04, 2016, 07:33:09 AM
Hi all its been a while since I've posted .
I hit 2 year mark last month and I honestly can't believe how fast time has gone even though In my mind it felt like time stood still.
I Had BA 4 months ago and the confidence boost that gave me was amazing .
Booked in for gender surgery next year to say I'm excited is a understatement .
For me surgeries are important for
My journey I know not
Everyone wants certain ops it all comes down to how you feel in the end .
You all look amazing and happy btw xxoo.(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2Fab87bf447faa95aa65818e4e645f32a1.jpg&hash=aa0588d4a6a0a12b139ebaa659166d44948c2b59)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2F291f669451ba79b914eff29122299152.jpg&hash=9319603afec01eeff60047e2c5facb5cc88514b4)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160904%2Fe16580dcd8d3c68af1a8549d70bfc44c.jpg&hash=c946dc1afe297da8176aae3e958840e6e0c0dc4b)
Thought I'd chuck a before and after in as well [emoji12]
Impressive !
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Quote from: Raye on July 02, 2016, 04:36:51 AM
I think your pretty passable to be honest, but I'm a tad bit biased. I'm afraid to explain my self, but don't mind if you want me to.
You look very cute!
Quote from: Confetti on August 21, 2016, 04:24:50 PM
Getting closer to the time I planned on coming out! Will hopefully be on HRT by the end of the year.
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Got some new matte lipsticks yesterday, love the colour!
How am I doing?
Omg Hun you look absolutely stunning that a big pass from me .
How you doing lol amazing 100% feminine xx
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 04, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
Thanks. Yeah, I need to get them thinned and shaped a little bit. They're mostly hidden behind glasses frames, but obviously not all the way. As a patch I sometimes use a small amount of a gel (like Vasoline) to smooth them out and help hold a little brow powder, but they are a couple of gray caterpillars in that shot. I didn't put anything on beyond a light foundation and a little concealer on what's left on my upper lip (mostly to cover red patches from skin chemo recently). So, I've got my work cut out for me. Nothing major, I just need to start making an effort more often.
I'm so lazy. ;)
Yes, Makeup is a powerful tool... I highly recommend learning the skills.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi651.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu232%2FRubyRocket%2F20160815_154723_zpsiqihm6wt.jpg&hash=5d18f6c098b436d58d3d33c8a6aefafab4233fe1) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/RubyRocket/media/20160815_154723_zpsiqihm6wt.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi651.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu232%2FRubyRocket%2F20160806_105331_zps71x2tykz.jpg&hash=5d7932eed49435881d5aae1d7c57bc8637008732) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/RubyRocket/media/20160806_105331_zps71x2tykz.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi651.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu232%2FRubyRocket%2F20160806_104829_zpsfwjzaqpj.jpg&hash=ed57af75228ce3906c0a2dfcfbff80bf46525122) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/RubyRocket/media/20160806_104829_zpsfwjzaqpj.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi651.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu232%2FRubyRocket%2F20160904_111527_zps5rskzzqx.jpg&hash=21d57c3dd653610c8fe20895001d106f7e16dd54) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/RubyRocket/media/20160904_111527_zps5rskzzqx.jpg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi651.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu232%2FRubyRocket%2F20160904_111521_zpse5dowqkc.jpg&hash=58795c581eda484e18b57934a05cef87b7d86bda) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/RubyRocket/media/20160904_111521_zpse5dowqkc.jpg.html)
So here's me at 5mths HRT, I've had 4 sessions of laser, and lost about 55lbs since coming out to myself last October 2015.
Makeup
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No makeup
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Body
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-Fara
Oh, damn, girl! :D Harley, I think you just might pass!
I wonder if I can look like a 30-something gal with the right makeup? (Hah! Not starting from the 60-something body! I'll need a roller to apply that...)
Y'all have convinced me. I'm scheduling an appointment at Sephora later this month to get a good 'starter' daytime look assembled. (We'll see about that red lipstick, Barbie. I dunno...) Meanwhile, two pairs of glasses are on order from Zenni, including a cateye pair and a retro-mod pair for driving. Both have little rhinestones at the temples. They probably won't read as male.
The wig responds well to teasing. It was brushed flat when the clerk re-boxed it before ringing it up, but 10 minutes with a wig brush and pick has it back close to the illustrations (Raquel Welch "Crowd Pleaser" in honey-blonde). It'll be on a wig stand now, so no more boxes.
I'll get my act together yet.
All I can say Fara is wow and you need to stay in the fabulous section... definitely firmly in the feminine column ;)
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 05, 2016, 02:26:07 PM
All I can say Fara is wow and you need to stay in the fabulous section... definitely firmly in the feminine column;)
Okay, will check that box then and move on ;)
-Fara
Quote from: Summer on September 04, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Omg Hun you look absolutely stunning that a big pass from me .
How you doing lol amazing 100% feminine xx
thankyou so much summer <3
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 05, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
Oh, damn, girl! :D Harley, I think you just might pass!
Ha ha ha ha ha... thanks.
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I wonder if I can look like a 30-something gal with the right makeup? (Hah! Not starting from the 60-something body! I'll need a roller to apply that...)
You'll be suprised just how much the hormones will help wih that. Also, facial masks are the poo! GlamGlo GravityMud came highly recommended by a friend.
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Y'all have convinced me. I'm scheduling an appointment at Sephora later this month to get a good 'starter' daytime look assembled. (We'll see about that red lipstick, Barbie. I dunno...) Meanwhile, two pairs of glasses are on order from Zenni, including a cateye pair and a retro-mod pair for driving. Both have little rhinestones at the temples. They probably won't read as male.
I love the retro look glasses. But don't entice us with tales of these amazing frames without sharing... lol!
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The wig responds well to teasing. It was brushed flat when the clerk re-boxed it before ringing it up, but 10 minutes with a wig brush and pick has it back close to the illustrations (Raquel Welch "Crowd Pleaser" in honey-blonde). It'll be on a wig stand now, so no more boxes.
I'll get my act together yet.
Couple of quick tips for wigs. Get a small spray bottle and do a 50-50 mix of water and fabric softener to kill the frizz that will eventually occur with synthetics. To bring back the natural style of the wig, a couple spurts of straight water while you have it on a manaquin head will generally revive them. A portable steamer will work amazingly for restyling them and getting them to hold a style without destroying the fibers... But if it's a "heat resistant" synthetic some hair tools will work on them. Most of the newer wigs are heat resistant synthetics... but always check. Then keep a couple drier sheets in your purse to calm frizzies with the wig while you're out in town. Just give it a couple swipes and it'll keep the static flyaways from coming back while you're out and about.
:)
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 05, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
I wonder if I can look like a 30-something gal with the right makeup? (Hah! Not starting from the 60-something body! I'll need a roller to apply that...)
You will be surprised. I'm 55 and frequently get told that I look like I am in my 30's. Good makeup goes a long way to improving a persons look.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 05, 2016, 02:43:46 PM
I love the retro look glasses. But don't entice us with tales of these amazing frames without sharing... lol!
Okay. These are grabs from the Zenni website. The narrow ones with the red edge are for driving, and the silly cateye design has my full prescription. (Thank goodness for cheap internet shopping!)
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/47977-050916162410.jpeg)
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 05, 2016, 02:43:46 PM
Then keep a couple drier sheets in your purse to calm frizzies with the wig while you're out in town. Just give it a couple swipes and it'll keep the static flyaways from coming back while you're out and about.
Ooooh! Nice tip. Zaps the static flyaway! The wig bounced back pretty quickly. It's quite soft, fairly fine synthetic hair, so I may have to use a little wig spray to get it to hold all day without any fuss. I like the color and length, probably takes 10 years off compared to the gray one.
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 05, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
I wonder if I can look like a 30-something gal with the right makeup? (Hah! Not starting from the 60-something body! I'll need a roller to apply that...)
You'll probably learn this when you check with the Aesteticicans, but the trick to makeup is to keep it light. Going too thick will enhance wrinkles, crows feet, and smile lines. Big mistake... Go light enough to even your complection and match your skin tone. Additionally, for a more "Airbrushed" look... invest in some makeup brushes and keep them maintained and cleaned after every use. Sigma makes a good line of brushes that are duplicates of MAC brushes. My friend worked at MAC so I have a decent set from MAC she put together for me. And they are EXPENSIVE!! Take care of brushes and they'll last a long time. But there's no comparison of finished makeup when done with a good set of brushes.
Quote from: Michelle_P on September 05, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Okay. These are grabs from the Zenni website. The narrow ones with the red edge are for driving, and the silly cateye design has my full prescription. (Thank goodness for cheap internet shopping!)
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/47977-050916162410.jpeg)
Ooooh! Nice tip. Zaps the static flyaway! The wig bounced back pretty quickly. It's quite soft, fairly fine synthetic hair, so I may have to use a little wig spray to get it to hold all day without any fuss. I like the color and length, probably takes 10 years off compared to the gray one.
I like them. Very nice. :D
Hi Michelle_P....hey you know that style you in your avatar looks really good make up ?
I think you look better with out the frames....maybe some wild contacts :)
Quote from: markie on September 05, 2016, 05:12:06 PM
Hi Michelle_P....hey you know that style you in your avatar looks really good make up ?
I think you look better with out the frames....maybe some wild contacts :)
I can see fairly well without the glasses, but I do (barely) need them for driving, and doing detailed work for long periods. Astigmatism is the big issue with my eyes. That means that for contacts, instead of the usual 9-9.5mm lenses, I need the big scleral contacts, 13-15 mm. I don't tolerate those at all well.
I did put a little effort into the makeup when I grabbed that avatar image. Not a lot, just corrector and a light concealing foundation, and some minimal touches around the eyes. I can do better. Thus the appointment later this month for a bit of help on a good everyday look.
Tried a shorter, natural colour hairstyle. Not too sure how I feel about it as of yet, i've never tried a short style.
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and my usual black/grey ombre:
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Still unsure if I would pass yet but i'm
Soooo frustrated with myself that I can't bring myself to come out, I don't know whats stopping me and why there is a barrier. :(
Quote from: Confetti on September 05, 2016, 05:57:08 PM
Tried a shorter, natural colour hairstyle. Not too sure how I feel about it as of yet, i've never tried a short style.
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and my usual black/grey ombre:
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Still unsure if I would pass yet but i'm
Soooo frustrated with myself that I can't bring myself to come out, I don't know whats stopping me and why there is a barrier. :(
Well, first the easy one... I totally love your natural hair color! And the short hair looks great. Shows off your neck. Not that I dislike the black and grey... it's fun, but would definately depend on you personal style. I love that short wig though....
Next, the tougher one on passing and coming out... I would say you're pretty darn close to "passing" on looks alone. You look adorable... As for coming out... that's extremely understandable. Most all human beings are guarded about putting their soul out on display for judgement. For our community, that's generally our physical being that we hold tighly to and keep guarded. It's difficult, but it does get easier after letting that first person in. Knowing yourself is the first step, and there's no rush to coming out and letting people in. It sounds cliche, but don't sweat the small stuff... Do what's right for you and always in your own time. I still haven't let everyone in on my life... I have told a select few, but the rest will come in time. So please don't fret too much on the coming out portion. It isn't a prerequisite for you being you. Smile and enjoy the days for what they bring.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 05, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
Well, first the easy one... I totally love your natural hair color! And the short hair looks great. Shows off your neck. Not that I dislike the black and grey... it's fun, but would definately depend on you personal style. I love that short wig though....
Next, the tougher one on passing and coming out... I would say you're pretty darn close to "passing" on looks alone. You look adorable... As for coming out... that's extremely understandable. Most all human beings are guarded about putting their soul out on display for judgement. For our community, that's generally our physical being that we hold tighly to and keep guarded. It's difficult, but it does get easier after letting that first person in. Knowing yourself is the first step, and there's no rush to coming out and letting people in. It sounds cliche, but don't sweat the small stuff... Do what's right for you and always in your own time. I still haven't let everyone in on my life... I have told a select few, but the rest will come in time. So please don't fret too much on the coming out portion. It isn't a prerequisite for you being you. Smile and enjoy the days for what they bring.
Thankyou! :laugh:
That's great advice too, I think I need to just take small steps. I'm very guarded in general and don't really talk about my feelings/emotions with my family and friends so I just need to get over that.
haven't been around for a while and for some reason I can't see many of the photos in messages - guess i'll have to try playing around with settings or something - in the meantime decided to upload a profile pic
be well
jenifer
Many people don't leave their pictures up for very long. A few use servers that have limited access. If you receive some of the pictures, the problem may not be on your end.
this is how i look day to day right now. other than the obvious beard shadow to address (expenses Xc) and growing my hair out longer (working on it), and waiting on hormones to do their thing (just started month three), how can i improve my passability?
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Smile [emoji3]
Quote from: SoraKat on September 09, 2016, 03:15:04 PM
this is how i look day to day right now. other than the obvious beard shadow to address (expenses Xc) and growing my hair out longer (working on it), and waiting on hormones to do their thing (just started month three), how can i improve my passability?
Actually, I think that you have a face that is a good starting point. Your eyes and cheekbones are very nice and when you learn to draw attention to them, I think you'll look very pretty.
One of the first things that I noticed was your adam's apple. A simple way and inexpensive way to hide it in the short term is with a scarf. Also, a scarf in the right color, that goes with your outfit can add to your feminine presentation. There are lots of ways that you can tie a scarf too that you can learn with very little effort.
Of course, you'll need to learn how to use make-up. There is a lot on YouTube.
Yes, smile and relax. Women often express emotions that engender warmth and friendliness. Men perhaps more strength and command. Think, a man walks in and is saying through his expression "I'm a tough guy and want respect!" A woman walks in and through her expression "Hi everyone, I'm new but hoping we can all be friends!"
Overgeneralizing, but this is a big part of the difference in the way boys and girls are socialized.
Quote from: SoraKat on September 09, 2016, 03:15:04 PM
this is how i look day to day right now. other than the obvious beard shadow to address (expenses Xc) and growing my hair out longer (working on it), and waiting on hormones to do their thing (just started month three), how can i improve my passability?
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It depends what you want really. I have to say, I didn't notice your Adam's apple until it was pointed out, and it doesn't look like the silk scarf route is your style. If anything, it might hinder you as a completely out of place element.
There's no of course about you having to wear make up, unless you want to.
I know several lesbians who look pretty much the way you do in terms of hairstyle and piercings and lack of make up, and I wouldn't have you down as the male if you were in a line up with them.
You have a narrow face and delicate cheek bones, good eyebrows, and a normal female hairline. Without the Adam's apple - yes, it is prominent now I've seen it, but it didn't jump out at me, I'd really just assume you were probably a lesbian, who preferred piercings to false eyelashes. Not a butch lesbian either, just one with a kind of alternative style. And therefore, female.
Sorry if you're straight btw ;)
What's your aim? You really don't look out of the female range as it is, and once the shadow and the apple is gone, you could probably just go with what you're already doing. There's no point in loads of make up if the facial piercing stuff is your style preference instead. I honestly think it would have the opposite effect to the intention, but it's really up to you and how you envisage yourself.
Wasn't thinking silk.
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Just for example. Sort of big, but it's in the colors you're wearing and the material is natural like what you have on.
And the question was something to do "right now" and I was trying to address the first thing I saw. I also didn't mention it, but was thinking it would help cover the darkness on the neck if you didn't want to bother with heavy make-up on it until you get further along with electrolysis.
thank you for the feedback :) normally i wear scarves, but it isn't quite fall here yet. in that photo im wearing light foundation and the tiniest bit of mascara (was out looking for work today and not trying to go femme) , but not really anything else, so being clocked as "non-butch lesbian" is hilarious cause thats what i am (just made me really really happy) XD my hair is just in the weird middle phase as i'm growing it out.
for comparison, and further analysis, me with only light foundation (had an interview and had to go guy mode but my skin isn't perfect):
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Quote from: GiaFarrell on September 05, 2016, 02:15:38 PM
So here's me at 5mths HRT, I've had 4 sessions of laser, and lost about 55lbs since coming out to myself last October 2015.
Makeup
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No makeup
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Body
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-Fara
Fara,
Honestly, I feel you are much more attractive without makeup. But this is just my preference.
I find fitness models with minimal makeup most attractive. This is my appearance goal. Minimal makeup for me.
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Quote from: Dena on September 08, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
Many people don't leave their pictures up for very long. A few use servers that have limited access. If you receive some of the pictures, the problem may not be on your end.
Mine are taken down after a day, or when the response is viewed. So they're not viewable very long.
4 years in, i'm trying to get towards being un-clockable.
but something in me wonders if it's even attainable.
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shoulders. hips. always the problem in my way.
Quote from: Breenyan on September 12, 2016, 02:59:25 AM
4 years in, i'm trying to get towards being un-clockable.
but something in me wonders if it's even attainable.
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shoulders. hips. always the problem in my way.
It would be very hard to be 100% unclockable, that term doesn't really even make sense though.
People might think you may not be genetic female, but thats all it is thinking, nowadays people look at genetic girls and think the same thing, and they are wrong too.
But its cool to see another Car girl, is it your Genesis?
You look pretty passable anyway
Quote from: Micki on September 10, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
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Yes and yes you look killer in that first photo
Quote from: GiaFarrell on September 05, 2016, 02:15:38 PM
So here's me at 5mths HRT, I've had 4 sessions of laser, and lost about 55lbs since coming out to myself last October 2015.
-Fara
Wow, you look great and we also kind of share the same facial structure.
I love that term, "Coming out to yourself." That is really the hardest thing.
Thank you so much Markie! I do appreciate it, everyone here is so pretty, so that's such a kind thing to say!
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First time makeup and wig... Still all pre everything... Home Office look for today
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Quote from: Breenyan on September 12, 2016, 02:59:25 AM
4 years in, i'm trying to get towards being un-clockable.
but something in me wonders if it's even attainable.
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shoulders. hips. always the problem in my way.
You look really pretty; you pass well, and should be able to blend in with other women very well. And since we have no way of knowing what others are thinking, second guessing ourselves is pointless, and only serves as a deterrent to happiness.
Quote from: Breenyan on September 12, 2016, 02:59:25 AM
4 years in, i'm trying to get towards being un-clockable.
but something in me wonders if it's even attainable.
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shoulders. hips. always the problem in my way.
I feel your pain, shoulders and hips are a bugbear of mine too >:(
You look good in the pic though.
Quote from: Dani on September 10, 2016, 06:54:12 AM
Fara,
Honestly, I feel you are much more attractive without makeup. But this is just my preference.
I have to agree with Dani, I think you look better without the makeup. That's a compliment BTW :)
Quote from: Breenyan on September 12, 2016, 02:59:25 AM
4 years in, i'm trying to get towards being un-clockable.
but something in me wonders if it's even attainable.
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shoulders. hips. always the problem in my way.
Breenyan, perhaps your build looks "athletic", but I wouldn't particularly notice if I saw you in public. I think your body shape is fine. Attractive really.
Also, with so many girls playing sports and working out in the gym it's more common.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on September 12, 2016, 04:33:42 AM
It would be very hard to be 100% unclockable, that term doesn't really even make sense though.
People might think you may not be genetic female, but thats all it is thinking, nowadays people look at genetic girls and think the same thing, and they are wrong too.
But its cool to see another Car girl, is it your Genesis?
You look pretty passable anyway
tis a tiburon. is my tiburon.
i guess you're right.
Its funny to see it call Tiburon, wher are you living?
I have one of the Iconic Japanese Twin turbos of the 90's
:'3
Quote from: ChristineRachel on September 13, 2016, 11:26:51 PM
Its funny to see it call Tiburon, wher are you living?
I have one of the Iconic Japanese Twin turbos of the 90's
:'3
Sold in the US as a Tiburon
Surprised to see a brick road.
SORAKAT: You're not passing yet due your Adam's apple, rough skin texture and sharp edges. The best thing to do is starting HRT because it would soften your skin and facial features. I would also recommend you to growing your hair a bit longer, electrolysis (facial hair removal) and a Adam's apple reducing in order to pass. On HRT you might have some potential to pass. The main thing which makes passing hardest is the Adam's apple.
GIAFARELL: The stubble, masculine head shape and haircut choice is the main things which makes passing harder. Your body is fine. You should try to style your hair in a way which makes your face looks lesser square, dominant and masculine. Long hair is recommended strongly. I know I sounds a bit harsh, but you doesn't suit short hair because it just makes thing more difficult for you. The short hair screams "Masculine". Perhaps a haircut like this would be something for you.
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MICKI: My advice is to not use too much makeup or exaggerate it. That makes passing harder and some people do associating it with drag shows. If you want to pass, the makeup should be more discreet and eye shadow isn't recommended.
BREENYAN: Your (slightly) broad shoulders and body shape is a bit masculine, so I can see you're not cis. But facial wise you're fine.
Sarah1972: Are you pre or post-HRT? Your makeup is fine, but in some lightning the wig looks a bit stiff. But in darker lightning it doesn't look so wig like. You're not passing yet, but are at the right road makeup wise. It's mostly the facial shape which looks a bit masculine. From long distance you may pass, but when people are close I don't think you would pass.
i'm sooooooo jelly of some of ya'll. someone told me to smile, so here :p no makeup this time though
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For your information, in some of my pictures, I'm 'not' wearing any makeup. In a 'few' of the pics, indeed, yes, I do have a 'reasonable' amount of eyeshadow on. I've never had any surgeries and wear a minimal amount of makeup, no hrt, no mascara, not even nailpolish. I was born intersex, so I'm au naturale.
Quote from: Micki on September 10, 2016, 10:59:48 AM
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With kindness, it's not the look or anything that seems awkward. It's being pictured on what appears to be the loo - with the bathroom tiles right beside you, or crawling across the sofa towards the camera. Neither of those are particularly flattering.
The sofa one in particular looks very uncomfortable. I've never seen a woman or a man do that. It would be better to just sit on the thing normally, and then it wouldn't be forced and require a second glance.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on September 14, 2016, 11:17:32 AM
Sarah1972: Are you pre or post-HRT? Your makeup is fine, but in some lightning the wig looks a bit stiff. But in darker lightning it doesn't look so wig like. You're not passing yet, but are at the right road makeup wise. It's mostly the facial shape which looks a bit masculine. From long distance you may pass, but when people are close I don't think you would pass.
Thanks for the feedback - much appreciated. I am pre HRT. Hope to start some time later this year or early next year - can't wait but there are some scheduling issues which is pushing things out a bit. And I agree, the wig looks pretty odd (did not expect much for less than $30 anyway). I have a better one arriving soon (hopefully). In the meantime I'll try to work on my makeup skills. That may help :-) I have scheduled a one on one makeup session at a local cosmetics store. Getting better but I am not sure that I have the right shades yet. :)
I get a lot of attention while taking photos. Both Korean and Chinese tourists and both men and women studied me. While my friend was taking photos for me, an aged guy next to him asked him like "She should not be a Korean lady. She is too tall to be a Korean woman." Also I can hear all kinds of comments from passers-by, including "she looks like a man". Anyway, people seemed to think I am a kind of model for photography.
To pass well, I should avoid wearing high heels, but I don't care. I wear high heels frequently. Even while hiking, I wear wedges.
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And few women here wear flower clips in their head, but I wear them nearly everyday. A stereotype of a woman wearing flowers in her head here is that she should be a kind of psycho. Again, I don' care about it.
barbie~~
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With great reluctancy, I figure that this is the thread is probably the best thread to post in... So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time" (full time)? Or give it a few more months/years?
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For the short amount of time you have been on HRT, you pass incredibly well. I find it nearly impossible to find anything masculine about your appearance knowing your history and on the street, I would never guess. You have the additional bonus that you are attractive as well.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 14, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time" (full time)?
I am a lady of few words.
YES
You look great Harley Quinn :icon_chick: I'm surprised to hear that you weren't full time already
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 14, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
With great reluctancy, I figure that this is the thread is probably the best thread to post in... So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time" (full time)? Or give it a few more months/years?
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oh my gosh, you look great! You are definitely ready. I love your haircut.
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Quote from: SoraKat on September 14, 2016, 11:21:53 AM
i'm sooooooo jelly of some of ya'll. someone told me to smile, so here :p no makeup this time though
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The smile is better. The only thing that I see preventing passing is the Adam's apple. Otherwise, just a female that's a bit butch.
Quote from: Summer on September 04, 2016, 07:33:09 AM
Hi all its been a while since I've posted .
I hit 2 year mark last month and I honestly can't believe how fast time has gone even though In my mind it felt like time stood still.
I Had BA 4 months ago and the confidence boost that gave me was amazing .
Booked in for gender surgery next year to say I'm excited is a understatement .
For me surgeries are important for
My journey I know not
Everyone wants certain ops it all comes down to how you feel in the end .
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stunning how old when you start hormones?
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 14, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
With great reluctancy, I figure that this is the thread is probably the best thread to post in... So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time" (full time)? Or give it a few more months/years?
Hun, based on those photos, you are ready now! You are not only beautiful, but in a couple of those photos you look exactly like my next-door neighbour, who is a cis woman.
Quote from: Dena on September 14, 2016, 10:45:33 PM
For the short amount of time you have been on HRT, you pass incredibly well. I find it nearly impossible to find anything masculine about your appearance knowing your history and on the street, I would never guess. You have the additional bonus that you are attractive as well.
Thank you Dena. I suppose that beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all... Like many of us, I have to get over the stigma of personal perception. 36+ years of feeling "off" and unattractive has paid it's tolls on my selfsteem.
Quote from: V M on September 15, 2016, 02:39:02 AM
You look great Harley Quinn :icon_chick: I'm surprised to hear that you weren't full time already
Thank you VM. Surprise! Not full time but I do play the game with "the powers that be" getting my real life experience... Lots of mid-day gender swaps at the public rest stops between appointments. Depending on how I feel comfortable presenting myself to the people I am going to see.
Quote from: I Am Jess on September 15, 2016, 12:29:55 AM
I am a lady of few words.
YES
Thanks Lady! :D
@ NapeLover: Thank you. Truth be told its not my hair. Shhhh.... ;)
Quote from: KathyLauren on September 15, 2016, 06:51:19 AM
Hun, based on those photos, you are ready now! You are not only beautiful, but in a couple of those photos you look exactly like my next-door neighbour, who is a cis woman.
ha ha ha... oh that poor girl next door. But seriously thank you Kathy. :) Thats a great confidence booster. :D
Quote from: Dena on September 14, 2016, 10:45:33 PM
For the short amount of time you have been on HRT, you pass incredibly well. I find it nearly impossible to find anything masculine about your appearance knowing your history and on the street, I would never guess. You have the additional bonus that you are attractive as well.
ditto
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 14, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
With great reluctancy, I figure that this is the thread is probably the best thread to post in... So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time"
You bet you are ....that 5th photo slays me every time :)
Quote from: markie on September 15, 2016, 08:43:33 AM
You bet you are ....that 5th photo slays me every time :)
Hahahaha... must be the blonde hair. ;)
no makeup. just altered a t shirt and thought i looked cute for a brief window in time xD
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Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 15, 2016, 07:08:29 AM
Thank you. Truth be told its not my hair. Shhhh.... ;)
If anyone ever ask you if that's you hair, you should always say yes and think bought and paid for ;D
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Huh?
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Quote from: Amanda_Combs on September 15, 2016, 07:57:31 PM
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Huh?
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OMG! You look so young! I would say yes
Quote from: Dena on September 15, 2016, 06:05:37 PM
If anyone ever ask you if that's you hair, you should always say yes and think bought and paid for ;D
Bwahahahahaha!!!!
Harley....wow. You look more than ready!
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 14, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
With great reluctancy, I figure that this is the thread is probably the best thread to post in... So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time" (full time)? Or give it a few more months/years?
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My opinion is you look better than your avatar. Clearly passable.
Harley, wow .. you look fab! Love the full lips, lucky you!
Dena, Harley, You're making my day here; thanks for making me feel Gorgeous!!!
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on September 15, 2016, 09:22:37 PM
Dena, Harley, You're making my day here; thanks for making me feel Gorgeous!!!
It's the truth... my only real critique would be SMILE! YOU'RE PRETTY!! Smiling only makes you prettier! ;)
Quote from: Sinclair on September 15, 2016, 08:36:20 PM
Harley, wow .. you look fab! Love the full lips, lucky you!
They're a double edged sword... I used to play coronet. It was a pain with the tiny mouthpieces. Lol... But Thank you SO Much! Was just having the discussion about how for some reason we can't see the hormone enduced physical changes, which seem quite obvious to others. I should persue my doctorate and use that for a thesis. :)
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 15, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Was just having the discussion about how for some reason we can't see the hormone enduced physical changes, which seem quite obvious to others.
There was some discussion earlier this week on just this topic on a private Facebook group I belong to. It is so very strange how we can change so much that people who have known us for years may not even recognize us but when we look in the mirror all we see is our old self. We apparently are our own worst critics. The only true way to really test out how we are doing and how we appear to others is by going out and experiencing others reactions. That requires so much inner strength and confidence that sometimes I am surprised I was ever able to walk out the door that first time.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 15, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
It's the truth... my only real critique would be SMILE! YOU'RE PRETTY!! Smiling only makes you prettier! ;)
Amanda:
I agree with Harley. She is giving you some most excellent advice. ;D
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I would say yes also, Amanda. Your face has a very nice structure.
However (and I say this only to be helpful), I think that you will want to work on refining your look a little bit.
One suggestion I would make is to get your eyebrows shaped. Threading is wonderful and not terribly expensive. Once that is done you can use a brow brush and tweeze them (as hairs grow back) to keep them neat. You may want to get a lighter color (for blonds) brow pencil too. Women pay a lot of attention to their brows.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 14, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
With great reluctancy, I figure that this is the thread is probably the best thread to post in... So I pose the question for the objective masses:
Do I look ready for "Prime Time" (full time)? Or give it a few more months/years?
Harley, you look wonderful! Very pretty. Definitely ready. :)
You have the look down, there is nothing like going out there living it!
Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on September 15, 2016, 11:53:10 PM
You have the look down, there is nothing like going out there living it!
:icon_dance: woo whooo!! I am going to have to step up my wardrobe and make this happen this winter!!
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Trying out a lighter makeup look, with more minimal eyeshadow, less highlight etc.
I'm so excited for the start of October, I will be able to afford my private GP appointment and my hormones! :D
Confetti, you look amazing. You're going to slay on hormones :icon_chick:
Quote from: AoifeJ on September 16, 2016, 07:59:16 AM
Confetti, you look amazing. You're going to slay on hormones :icon_chick:
thankyou so much lovely :D <3 x
You will slay for sure Confetti, and October you will be sorted, thats so great :)
Quote from: Confetti on July 05, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
Hi Guys, Can I get some advice please? I know I don't pass :-\ - i'm pre - everything, but until I can get on hormones does anyone have any advice for me?
http://s61.photobucket.com/user/confettipics/library/?sort=3&page=1
the password to the album is se2055
:)
I feel you look very femme and actually, really lovely - even gorgeous. For the most part your facial bone structure looks very female.
Love your lips! xx
Quote from: ChristineRachel on September 16, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
You will slay for sure Confetti, and October you will be sorted, thats so great :)
thankyou! i'm so excited :D
Quote from: Louisa on September 16, 2016, 10:31:15 AM
I feel you look very femme and actually, really lovely - even gorgeous. For the most part your facial bone structure looks very female.
Love your lips! xx
thankyou louisa! <3 xx
Quote from: Confetti on September 16, 2016, 07:23:20 AM
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Trying out a lighter makeup look, with more minimal eyeshadow, less highlight etc.
I'm so excited for the start of October, I will be able to afford my private GP appointment and my hormones! :D
I love the natural look of your makeup here. Your face is very pretty as it is and I don't think you need to overdo the makeup, especially for a day-look. For evening you would want a little more color.
You definitely pass in this photo.
Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on September 16, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
I love the natural look of your makeup here. Your face is very pretty as it is and I don't think you need to overdo the makeup, especially for a day-look. For evening you would want a little more color.
You definitely pass in this photo.
Thankyou so much! :D
I decided I better try and give a more day to day makeup look a go because I know that I will NOT have the energy to do a full face every morning when it comes to it lol!
<3 x
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I think you look adorable. Love the casual "what ever" pose .. you look confident, and rightly so.
Just bought my first girl outfit (cardigan and dress) (: Do I pass as female in any of these pics?
Also I haven't started hormones yet or anything.
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Quote from: CatherineFay on September 17, 2016, 12:34:47 PM
Just bought my first girl outfit (cardigan and dress) (: Do I pass as female in any of these pics?
Also I haven't started hormones yet or anything.
Hi Catherine! Congratulations on buying your first girl outfit. What a milestone for you!
I think that you are off to a great start! I think that you pass.
Here are a few tips. Practice smiling a little more openly as if you're about to say something. Use a little concealer on your upper lip. If you shape your eyebrows into a higher arch it will open up your eyes and give them a more feminine look.
Cute dress, btw!
Buckwheat flowers.
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::) ::) ::)
barbie~~
Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on September 17, 2016, 01:32:53 PM
Hi Catherine! Congratulations on buying your first girl outfit. What a milestone for you!
I think that you are off to a great start! I think that you pass.
Here are a few tips. Practice smiling a little more openly as if you're about to say something. Use a little concealer on your upper lip. If you shape your eyebrows into a higher arch it will open up your eyes and give them a more feminine look.
Cute dress, btw!
Hi Rhonda (: thank you. I have been starting to look into concealer makeup. And was going to shape my eyebrows a little but realized I didn't have tweezers currently :/
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Confetti is an all time fav :)
Catherine totally looks passable
Barbie should really stop killing it lol.
Never seen this Amanda is she new? I've been away too long!
I honestly can't do makeup it's like a foreign concept my girl brain just can't comprehend and yet I can fill it with Chemistry, Physics, Calculus, PCIE Controllers and other random shidoozals.. Yes I just made up a word because that's how cute I am lol. But you would think one who wears women's clothing and has B Cups who looks like a woman wouldn't be misgendered, but it happens lol. Do I still act like a dyke - not going to lie I do so I guess I kinda have it coming, but makeup sure does bring out our attributes.
Quote from: Raye on September 17, 2016, 04:26:19 PM
Never seen this Amanda is she new? I've been away too long!
I'm new-ish. I first logged on here near the beginning of this year. But, anyway...am I pretty? lol :P
Quote from: CatherineFay on September 17, 2016, 02:25:02 PM
Hi Rhonda (: thank you. I have been starting to look into concealer makeup. And was going to shape my eyebrows a little but realized I didn't have tweezers currently :/
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Hi Catherine, you're welcome. You have a lovely face; I think you're going to do very well.
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on September 17, 2016, 09:14:57 PM
I'm new-ish. I first logged on here near the beginning of this year. But, anyway...am I pretty? lol :P
Well, first, your avatar should be your RL pic. Second, yes, you are pretty.
Quote from: Sinclair on September 17, 2016, 09:55:41 PM
Well, first, your avatar should be your RL pic. Second, yes, you are pretty.
That's what I was thinking, but I think she should take a pic. with a bit more of a smile :icon_chick:
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on September 17, 2016, 09:14:57 PM
I'm new-ish. I first logged on here near the beginning of this year. But, anyway...am I pretty? lol :P
Well I've been on HRT nearly like 9 months and honestly I wasn't expecting my personality to change, but like... *Hides behind the desk* I'm like super duper shy about how to answer that. Well overall Shy all around, but YES your pretty. Putting it bluntly if you smiled a bit you'd look vividly beautiful all over!
So you should smile more to rain radiancing beauty to people!
But hey who am I kidding here I'm easily impressed so most of the time my opinions are like so so, but I can try! :)
Quote from: Raye on September 17, 2016, 04:26:19 PM
Confetti is an all time fav :).
Thankyou so much hun :D x
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I'm at 6 months of HRT, but compared to what I used to be before... I'm very happy with my results so far. Every month I see a little more of me looking back at me in the mirror.
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I'm at 6 months of HRT, but compared to what I used to be before... I'm very happy with my results so far. Every month I see a little more of me looking back at me in the mirror.
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Your defiantly pulling a feminine vibe, in public i would as guess gender queer cause you are still a bit andro. But your defiantly coming along and you look great girl!
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Trying out a lighter makeup look, with more minimal eyeshadow, less highlight etc.
I'm so excited for the start of October, I will be able to afford my private GP appointment and my hormones! :D
You are beautiful i love your hair and the makeup suits you!
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Quite easily passing. I would tend to disagree on the jawline being an issue. I think you look great RoseyFox.
Well thank you miss RoseyFox! :) You are looking mighty fine yourself! Definitely someone I would consider going out to eat with. :D
Roseyfox - you look stunning. Nothing about you looks masculine.
And as for everyone who said all of the kind things about my appearance, I kind of can't believe it. My face still looks like a trashfire to me. So I was really shocked. But now I'm curious; how's my makeup? Is it at all like most girls would apply it? I wouldn't expect it to be very good since I just expanded past eyeliner(somewhat accepted on men) a couple of months ago. Thanks for any input. [emoji2]
BTW, Amy - Your progress is undeniable! If I were to spot you in public, I would be able to identify you as female pretty easily.
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on September 18, 2016, 11:34:43 PM
Roseyfox - you look stunning. Nothing about you looks masculine.
And as for everyone who said all of the kind things about my appearance, I kind of can't believe it. My face still looks like a trashfire to me. So I was really shocked. But now I'm curious; how's my makeup? Is it at all like most girls would apply it? I wouldn't expect it to be very good since I just expanded past eyeliner(somewhat accepted on men) a couple of months ago. Thanks for any input. [emoji2]
BTW, Amy - Your progress is undeniable! If I were to spot you in public, I would be able to identify you as female pretty easily.
Hi Amanda,
I go to YouTube quite a bit for makeup tutorials. If you search under things like "5 minute makeup" you may see some tutorials on some pretty basic looks. For example, Covergirl has a look that looks natural and pretty and uses about 5-6 products.
I have some ideas / suggestions for you on makeup to help get you started, if you want you can pm me!
-Rhonda
Quote from: Harley Quinn on September 18, 2016, 04:55:03 PM
Quite easily passing. I would tend to disagree on the jawline being an issue. I think you look great RoseyFox.
thank you very much sonner or later i will shoot another pic that is my face from the front then you will see the square blockiness of my face. Angles though make me love my face.
Quote from: xAmyX on September 18, 2016, 06:17:18 PM
Well thank you miss RoseyFox! :) You are looking mighty fine yourself! Definitely someone I would consider going out to eat with. :D
thank you and be careful i might take you up on that :3.
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on September 18, 2016, 11:34:43 PM
Roseyfox - you look stunning. Nothing about you looks masculine.
Thabk you very much amanda. Looking at your picture i think you definitely on the feminine road. I believe you can pass if you have a voice to fit and on the makeup department. I say minium and natural colors are the best. I despise makeup personally and refuse to wear it.
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I think you do still pass. :)
Quote from: xAmyX on September 18, 2016, 07:44:24 AM
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I'm at 6 months of HRT, but compared to what I used to be before... I'm very happy with my results so far. Every month I see a little more of me looking back at me in the mirror.
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You're not passing yet. Your have some masculine features like Adam's apple, stubble and receding hairline. But perhaps you do pass in the future. You doesn't need to worry about masculine big muscles, something some people have to in order to pass. You're lucky in that way - that you has feminine arms. Your body has a potential by the way.
Pre HRT. hopefully very soon I will start. My first psych apt is on the 21st!! Really hope it goes well.
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Amanda, you have a really good foundation to build on. Your face is soft with no noticeable facial hair, you have pretty eyes, and decent lips. Makeup, yes, you could work on. ") Just go to Youtube and look at the various vids on how to apply. Would love to see a new pic with proper makeup.
I'd second YouTube too, but Makeup isn't my thing, but if it's you and what you want go for it! You'd be surprised what you might find there. :)
Quote from: Nahia on September 19, 2016, 09:18:25 PM
Pre HRT. hopefully very soon I will start. My first psych apt is on the 21st!! Really hope it goes well.
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Hi Nahia, I'm seeing kind of a gender neutral image to be honest. I don't think that it would take too much for you to push the presentation into the feminine range. For example, if you added a bit of jewelry, such as earrings (little gold balls will do). Or else a simple, but pretty necklace of some sort. I always either wear earrings or a pendant, or both myself. Just something to say "I'm a girl!" :)
Also, your eyebrows still need a little more shaping I think.
Finally your hairstyle needs either volume or length I would say. Something to give it just a little more femininity.
Quote from: roseyfox on September 18, 2016, 04:29:23 PM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fqe0R6rA.jpg&hash=db05d221442888cfe022be0451148764ceb6427f)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOhmYQla.jpg%3F1&hash=c3d826839a550c66e600a58a6998f95058f36c4f)(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14159046_1180523605337305_1645883581_n.jpg?oh=db7b277ebca985afd704a995d18bb123&oe=57E17FDE) I am pretty sure i am at 7 months now. Like the progress though i hate my chin and jaw line. At least i now know what i want to get ffs on now. So am i passing yet or am i still to masculine?
I really think you pass, Rosey.
I can relate to hating your jaw line - I do the same thing - but really you look fine.
I think just a little more color on your lips, like lip gloss would look pretty on you. :)
Hi,
I'm Caitlyn . I recently turned 34, was born with diabetes, and a transwoman. It took me until 33 to feel comfortable going out in public dressed up and to enjoy how my body looks:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu422%2FCaitlyn_Jensen_Conklin%2Fimage_zpskcpf9avy.jpeg&hash=59ba6074030024355a641037a07e00becc8be343) (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Caitlyn_Jensen_Conklin/media/image_zpskcpf9avy.jpeg.html)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1067.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu422%2FCaitlyn_Jensen_Conklin%2Fimage_zpsyurlwphk.jpeg&hash=88e41674cec7e4143d00efb17412ba12c622c3c4) (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Caitlyn_Jensen_Conklin/media/image_zpsyurlwphk.jpeg.html)
Quote from: caitlynjconklin on September 23, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
Hi,
I'm Caitlyn . I recently turned 34, was born with diabetes, and a transwoman. It took me until 33 to feel comfortable going out in public dressed up and to enjoy how my body looks:
You look so pretty :)
Quote from: caitlynjconklin on September 23, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
Hi,
I'm Caitlyn . I recently turned 34, was born with diabetes, and a transwoman. It took me until 33 to feel comfortable going out in public dressed up and to enjoy how my body looks:
Hi Caitlyn,
Congratulations on getting out there in the world! You are a beautiful woman.
-Rhonda
Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on September 23, 2016, 07:01:12 PM
Hi Caitlyn,
Congratulations on getting out there in the world! You are a beautiful woman.
-Rhonda
Hi Rhonda,
Thank you for your nice note. I saw your profile photo. You are a beautiful woman too.
27 years old. Been on HRT since June 4, 2015.
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Quote from: ainawa88 on September 24, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
27 years old. Been on HRT since June 4, 2015.
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I only see a woman. You look gorgeous!
went out today so i decided to wear makeup. 2.5 months hrt. do i look ok or like a guy in makeup?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fsmokeyeye_zps0zediizw.jpg&hash=142be95e0eca62b9981d8504cd5a515ec3b8f81d)
Quote from: SoraKat on September 24, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
went out today so i decided to wear makeup. 2.5 months hrt. do i look ok or like a guy in makeup?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fsmokeyeye_zps0zediizw.jpg&hash=142be95e0eca62b9981d8504cd5a515ec3b8f81d)
Androgynous as a cupcake because you don't know if it's a cake or brownie. The Cake is a lie.... Seriously you look better than I did at 2.5 mo HRT LOL.
I mean I looked like this at my 2.5 MO... I dunno what urged me to grow my facial hair out I just wanted to see how much of it would change. I noticed it became less coarse and more fine. Very interesting experiment I had to say the least, but I did shave it around mid 3rd mo and the speed it took to grow back was really slow.
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Currently I'm like coming up to my 9th month on HRT. So I like look much better than what I use to look and far more happier than I use to be.
Quote from: SoraKat on September 24, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
went out today so i decided to wear makeup. 2.5 months hrt. do i look ok or like a guy in makeup?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fsmokeyeye_zps0zediizw.jpg&hash=142be95e0eca62b9981d8504cd5a515ec3b8f81d)
I like the eyes and eyebrows, hair, looks good. :)
Some constructive advice Miss SoraKat. ;D I know piercings are personal, but I might try and remove the mouth piercings and try some lipstick, more face powder and cheek blush. Just to see a different look. It's amazing how much makeup can boost your smile factor about how one looks! I love makeup. It can be a pain, but can have huge payoffs in looks. You can always put the piercings back in, I'm just curious to see you with "full makeup." I think you would look nice. Best wishes!
sinclair, can you define what you mean by a "full face" of makeup?
i've nothing to do tomorrow and makeup sounds fun
Quote from: caitlynjconklin on September 23, 2016, 07:03:47 PM
Hi Rhonda,
Thank you for your nice note. I saw your profile photo. You are a beautiful woman too.
Thank you, Caitlin! :)
Quote from: SoraKat on September 24, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
went out today so i decided to wear makeup. 2.5 months hrt. do i look ok or like a guy in makeup?
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Wow! You are really coming along beautifully. You do not look like a guy in make-up.
Here is a suggestion that you could try if you wanted. In the darker areas where there is some shadow from facial hair, some pink concealer under your foundation may help with neutralizing that. If pink isn't available then yellow will brighten it also.
Quote from: SoraKat on September 24, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
went out today so i decided to wear makeup. 2.5 months hrt. do i look ok or like a guy in makeup?
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Girl if i saw you in the street I'd see female
Quote from: SoraKat on September 24, 2016, 11:41:07 PM
sinclair, can you define what you mean by a "full face" of makeup?
i've nothing to do tomorrow and makeup sounds fun
Sure Miss Sora, and makeup is fun. :) I'm suggesting you take makeup to the max level to see how you look and feel. Not that you wear it everyday, but just to see a new look. Complete facial coverage. Base powder, or foundation, on the entire face. Eye shadow, lip stick, red blush on the cheeks, and even some eyelash liner. Once I figured out makeup, it really reinforced my path. I don't use makeup all the time, but just knowing that it helps so much to affirm my female self, makes me smile that i have that option. Many days I wear no make up at all.
sinclair, since my facial hair is too short today to bother shaving without effing my skin up, i'll show you a pic of me a month ago with full out makeup. (and a wig xD)
this is probably as extreme as it gets from me, but this pic is a month old, so i'll do a full face here in the next few days and see whats changed from hrt. in the meantime...
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http://imgur.com/a/655Rv
You tell me. Do you pass? It a pretty no brainer. Notice the face has been sculpted like it would with FFS. Note the thinner jaw line, a sculpted nose. Looks pretty to me.
Quote from: SoraKat on September 24, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
went out today so i decided to wear makeup. 2.5 months hrt. do i look ok or like a guy in makeup?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fsmokeyeye_zps0zediizw.jpg&hash=142be95e0eca62b9981d8504cd5a515ec3b8f81d)
http://imgur.com/a/SIKBT
I was able to cover your stubble. Also sculpted your chin
dawn, i can only pray i don't end up looking that. excellent photoshop work though. :D
Quote from: SoraKat on September 26, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
sinclair, since my facial hair is too short today to bother shaving without effing my skin up, i'll show you a pic of me a month ago with full out makeup. (and a wig xD)
this is probably as extreme as it gets from me, but this pic is a month old, so i'll do a full face here in the next few days and see whats changed from hrt. in the meantime...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fhairpurp_zpsxadk7qln.jpg&hash=24246275d2db45632fff4f7170127f1b055b0d66)
I like it. :) You came in so unsure, and now we see the real you, you're all in behind the scenes! I appreciate the fact that you seem to be the punk rock girl, and some of us are more traditional girls, I get that, no problem. That said, I still suggest doing a more conventional makeup makeover just to see another look. :) I hope your program is progressing well, mine is, I'm very happy so far ...
I don't really think I pass, nor do I think it's that important. However just for fun what do you folks think? My profile pick is about 15 pounds lighter, so I've include a more recent one below and a less favorable angle. Hopefully I liked it correctly.
Been a rough couple months dealing with a broken ankle so it's set me back a bit weight wise. Working on that again though, got about 40 pounds to loose before I'm at a healthy weight. I know once I get this weight off it'll make a difference, but for better or worse I have no idea lol.
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Quote from: Aethersong on September 27, 2016, 11:50:11 AM
I don't really think I pass, nor do I think it's that important. However just for fun what do you folks think? My profile pick is about 15 pounds lighter, so I've include a more recent one below and a less favorable angle. Hopefully I liked it correctly.
Been a rough couple months dealing with a broken ankle so it's set me back a bit weight wise. Working on that again though, got about 40 pounds to loose before I'm at a healthy weight. I know once I get this weight off it'll make a difference, but for better or worse I have no idea lol.
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I like this picture much better than your avatar. Your face looks very feminine.
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Figured I'd post a new picture of me, since it's been 3 more weeks since I took my last one. :) A lot of changes happened I believe. :D I'm at right about 7 months now of hormone therapy.
Quote from: barbie on September 14, 2016, 12:30:49 PM
I get a lot of attention while taking photos. Both Korean and Chinese tourists and both men and women studied me. While my friend was taking photos for me, an aged guy next to him asked him like "She should not be a Korean lady. She is too tall to be a Korean woman." Also I can hear all kinds of comments from passers-by, including "she looks like a man". Anyway, people seemed to think I am a kind of model for photography.
To pass well, I should avoid wearing high heels, but I don't care. I wear high heels frequently. Even while hiking, I wear wedges.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8517/29597675461_2e030a1072_b.jpg)
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And few women here wear flower clips in their head, but I wear them nearly everyday. A stereotype of a woman wearing flowers in her head here is that she should be a kind of psycho. Again, I don' care about it.
barbie~~
I just love your positive attitude Barbie. Honestly if we all cared a little less about what others think we would be much happier and free! 💋❤️️
Doing laundry..no make up...
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Rachael
Quote from: Rachael on September 30, 2016, 04:34:41 AM
Doing laundry..no make up...
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Rachael
Most definitely. ...i see a cis female and easy on the eyes as well
Quote from: AleahHart on September 29, 2016, 06:08:18 PM
I just love your positive attitude Barbie. Honestly if we all cared a little less about what others think we would be much happier and free! 💋❤️️
Thanks!
Yes. All of my friends know who I am, and they don't care whether I am a man or a woman.
They just like me, and some of them take photos for me happily.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8072/29403495804_8beb6c0fb7_b.jpg)
barbie~~
Quote from: markie on September 30, 2016, 07:21:28 AM
Most definitely. ...i see a cis female and easy on the eyes as well
Thank you markie[emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji3]
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OK, here goes. Been shopping a lot lately.
(https://i.imgur.com/FQW4Eg6.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/TjNIexU.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/csM1Wpy.jpg)
Thanks for any feedback.
Dresses 1 and 3 are amazing! Dress 2 I am not quite sold on. I think it's the shoulder straps being a little too broad. However, lovely picks. You can't go wrong with any of them.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on October 02, 2016, 09:33:24 PM
Dresses 1 and 3 are amazing! Dress 2 I am not quite sold on. I think it's the shoulder straps being a little too broad. However, lovely picks. You can't go wrong with any of them.
Thanks. I bought all three over the pat week. And yes, dress #3 is my favorite.
Quote from: chris.deee on October 02, 2016, 07:39:37 PM
OK, here goes. Been shopping a lot lately.
(https://i.imgur.com/FQW4Eg6.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/TjNIexU.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/csM1Wpy.jpg)
Thanks for any feedback.
Agree with Harley, dress #1 and #3 look very nice. I like the sleeves in #1 and the length in both #1 and #3. You look very elegant. :)
Quote from: SoraKat on September 26, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
sinclair, since my facial hair is too short today to bother shaving without effing my skin up, i'll show you a pic of me a month ago with full out makeup. (and a wig xD)
this is probably as extreme as it gets from me, but this pic is a month old, so i'll do a full face here in the next few days and see whats changed from hrt. in the meantime...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fhairpurp_zpsxadk7qln.jpg&hash=24246275d2db45632fff4f7170127f1b055b0d66)
If you wants to pass, I wouldn't recommend you too much makeup or strong hair colors (like pink, turquoise, blue, green etc.) because it may give you a look which most people associates with drag shows. You have a bigger chance for passing with a natural hair color and lesser makeup in my opinion.
ok ok ok. so i decided to sit down and play with makeup today and go for a middle of the road look thats not drag esque but not day to day either, and for funsies and the sake of comparison, a photo of me before i started HRT wearing the exact same makeup. (IE: me today at 90 days hrt, and me pre hrt)
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did i do better?
I like dresses 2 and 3, My fav is dress 3.
Very nice.. you look amazing in them
Quote from: SoraKat on October 06, 2016, 11:34:08 PM
ok ok ok. so i decided to sit down and play with makeup today and go for a middle of the road look thats not drag esque but not day to day either, and for funsies and the sake of comparison, a photo of me before i started HRT wearing the exact same makeup. (IE: me today at 90 days hrt, and me pre hrt)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fmakeupafter3months_zpsfc38bys4.jpg&hash=0cab65611b0637ebb3cf544adbf5abcfe61535cd)
did i do better?
The picture at right you looks like a person in a emo/goth phase and you doesn't pass at that picture. You looks like a regular guy trying out new things. At the left side your looks have improved a lot when it comes to passing. You have a more feminine appearance and not wearing the pink hair do also improving a bit. It also depends which angle people sees you from. Some angle you may looks more feminine and passable than other angle. Other things which may affect is how the rest of your body looks like (e.g. heights, shapes) and how your voice sounds like. But I hasn't seen rest of you and therefor I've no idea about that.
Quote from: chris.deee on October 02, 2016, 07:39:37 PM
OK, here goes. Been shopping a lot lately.
(https://i.imgur.com/FQW4Eg6.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/TjNIexU.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/csM1Wpy.jpg)
Thanks for any feedback.
It's hard to tell, since I can't see whole you at the pictures. But you do pass at these pictures.
OK, so here is my first ever contribution to this thread. I don't think I'm far enough to pass yet but I'd like to hear your honest opinion...
Love
-Jessica
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You really are being to hard on yourself. I definitely think that you pass. Rather beautiful photo of you. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 07, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
OK, so here is my first ever contribution to this thread. I don't think I'm far enough to pass yet but I'd like to hear your honest opinion...
Love
-Jessica
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 07, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
OK, so here is my first ever contribution to this thread. I don't think I'm far enough to pass yet but I'd like to hear your honest opinion...
Love
-Jessica
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Personality, I think you'd have a hard time passing as a guy. Seriously.
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Quote from: Rachael on September 30, 2016, 04:34:41 AM
Doing laundry..no make up...
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Rachael
Female! Really, just another woman at the laundromat. You look great.
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 07, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
OK, so here is my first ever contribution to this thread. I don't think I'm far enough to pass yet but I'd like to hear your honest opinion...
Love
-Jessica
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Great picture of you, Jessica. I like the sunglasses on the head and a little hair over your forehead. You pass in my eyes.
Quote from: Mariah on October 07, 2016, 06:41:38 PM
You really are being to hard on yourself. I definitely think that you pass. Rather beautiful photo of you. Hugs
Mariah
Thank you so much for your kind words!
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Quote from: dori on October 07, 2016, 07:20:30 PM
Personality, I think you'd have a hard time passing as a guy. Seriously.
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I think I'm actually in this very awkward phase where passing as either gender is difficult.
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Quote from: Rhonda Lynn on October 07, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Great picture of you, Jessica. I like the sunglasses on the head and a little hair over your forehead. You pass in my eyes.
Thank you Rhonda. Comments like yours make me convince myself that there is indeed hope that one day I might be able to just live my life as the real me.
Hugs
Jessica
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Totally agree with previous observations ...... i think you'd have a hard time passing as male you look female absolutely
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 07, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
OK, so here is my first ever contribution to this thread. I don't think I'm far enough to pass yet but I'd like to hear your honest opinion...
Love
-Jessica
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Not bad. :) You pass.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on October 08, 2016, 12:15:59 PM
Not bad. :) You pass.
Thank you Sebby :-)
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It's been a while since I have posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
(https://i.imgur.com/U4gtzbd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XYUxhLg.jpg)
Quote from: WynneN on October 10, 2016, 10:52:28 AM
It's been a while since I have posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
(https://i.imgur.com/U4gtzbd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XYUxhLg.jpg)
Well, you look
great at 55! To be honest, still a little in that androgynous zone. Much longer hair may help. :) You look good though. Keep moving forward! Nice breast growth.
This thread has always bothered me. I'm worried that somebody might not be able to handle what people say about their physical appearance and that could send them into a depression or worse. What if somebody is told that they can't pass and decides to end it all!??
also, why are we judging people's potential to pass based on only physical appearance?
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Quote from: Sandboxed on October 10, 2016, 10:28:57 PM
This thread has always bothered me. I'm worried that somebody might not be able to handle what people say about their physical appearance and that could send them into a depression or worse. What if somebody is told that they can't pass and decides to end it all!??
also, why are we judging people's potential to pass based on only physical appearance?
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I think you brought up a valid point and I agree it's not only our physical appearance that makes us pass or not pass but very often it's impossible to judge yourself because you look at your image in the mirror every day and simply can't see changes others can see.
I don't think though that a negative comment here will hurt as much as a negative real life experience. I rather get tips about my appearance from a very nice and accepting community than hate, laughter or even violence from society because they classify me as a freak...
Just my thoughts
Jessica
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 10, 2016, 10:42:18 PM
I think you brought up a valid point and I agree it's not only our physical appearance that makes us pass or not pass but very often it's impossible to judge yourself because you look at your image in the mirror every day and simply can't see changes others can see.
I don't think though that a negative comment here will hurt as much as a negative real life experience. I rather get tips about my appearance from a very nice and accepting community than hate, laughter or even violence from society because they classify me as a freak...
Just my thoughts
Jessica
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Thank you for being positive[emoji1]
And btw, you look fantastic!
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Quote from: Sandboxed on October 10, 2016, 10:28:57 PM
This thread has always bothered me. I'm worried that somebody might not be able to handle what people say about their physical appearance and that could send them into a depression or worse. What if somebody is told that they can't pass and decides to end it all!??
also, why are we judging people's potential to pass based on only physical appearance?
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It's the
"Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?" thread. Most of passing is looks, sorry. Sure, if you have a deep voice but look the part, you ain't gonna pass either, but we are so often seen and rarely heard in public settings. How many people SEE you in the grocery store vs. HEAR you?
If someone isn't passing and decided to commit suicide based on what strangers on the internet say, they have bigger problems at hand than simply "not passing", sorry :-\
Quote from: Ⓥ on October 11, 2016, 06:29:01 AM
It's the "Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?" thread. Most of passing is looks, sorry.
Everyone should remember that there is MUCH more to 'Looks' than facial structure. Clothing, hair, and makeup have a tremendous effect, along with personal presence factors like movement and posture.
We have folks here who routinely get raves when presenting female, whose current appearance when presenting as male would very likely get a big "thumbs down" in terms of 'Could I Pass'.
Some days I'm still an old gray balding dude with a huge Adams Apple (but not for long), but when I get my act together, I'm very consistently passing. I'm regularly getting 'girl talk' and normal female-female exchanges with strangers while standing in lines or sitting in a crowded place having lunch. Now, it may be that all these different folks have clocked me, but still engage in such gender-specific behaviors, demonstrating a radical advance in acceptance across the older generations, but I somehow doubt it. ;)
Yes passing is a combination of so many things. It takes time, effort and practice to figure out what works for you. If you have the means and opportunity, surgical procedures can help. Confidence is also key.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj142%2FJessie-Ann15%2FBA%2520Surgery%2FF265F33E-A5E5-4BC1-83BB-AC5E98E69DEA_zpsy9klhvi4.jpg&hash=ff11c78fb1a313f90a1bc4fc9d96dd260b306524) (http://s79.photobucket.com/user/Jessie-Ann15/media/BA%20Surgery/F265F33E-A5E5-4BC1-83BB-AC5E98E69DEA_zpsy9klhvi4.jpg.html)
Jess, you are totally killing it. And that's your office look?
Yeah, I think you pass. ;)
Quote from: I Am Jess on October 11, 2016, 11:41:18 AM
Yes passing is a combination of so many things. It takes time, effort and practice to figure out what works for you. If you have the means and opportunity, surgical procedures can help. Confidence is also key.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj142%2FJessie-Ann15%2FBA%2520Surgery%2FF265F33E-A5E5-4BC1-83BB-AC5E98E69DEA_zpsy9klhvi4.jpg&hash=ff11c78fb1a313f90a1bc4fc9d96dd260b306524) (http://s79.photobucket.com/user/Jessie-Ann15/media/BA%20Surgery/F265F33E-A5E5-4BC1-83BB-AC5E98E69DEA_zpsy9klhvi4.jpg.html)
You are not seriously asking if you pass, are you?
You're rocking that look baby!!
Hugs
Jessica
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Yeah I pass pretty well these days, which is good because I've been living full time since June of last year. It's more than looks though. It's so much more. Keep rocking it ladies. So many of you are there, just have the confidence in yourself and the sky's the limit. It does take some time for everything to change but when it does, life is good.
Rock it ladies!!
Quote from: Sandboxed on October 10, 2016, 10:28:57 PM
This thread has always bothered me. I'm worried that somebody might not be able to handle what people say about their physical appearance and that could send them into a depression or worse. What if somebody is told that they can't pass and decides to end it all!??
also, why are we judging people's potential to pass based on only physical appearance?
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There are other things which affects the passing like makeup, clothing, hair, voice and mannerism. But the appearance is the part which influence most. When you sees people at the street, it's very rare you actually hear their voices. If people doesn't want to hear the brutal truth about their passing abilities, they shouldn't post pictures in this thread.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on October 11, 2016, 03:26:23 PM
There are other things which affects the passing like makeup, clothing, hair, voice and mannerism. But the appearance is the part which influence most. When you sees people at the street, it's very rare you actually hear their voices. If people doesn't want to hear the brutal truth about their passing abilities, they shouldn't post pictures in this thread.
The brutal truth according to who?
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Constructive criticism, with positive recommendations are the most helpful. Some of us have a difficult time getting past our perceptions of our own reflections... objective opinions are often quite helpful for our own edification. The randomness and semi-anonymity that the thread provides gives us a platform for advice and opinions that we cannot guarantee are unbiased when it comes from our friends and family. Hopefully it clears it up for you.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on October 07, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
It's hard to tell, since I can't see whole you at the pictures. But you do pass at these pictures.
Thanks Sebby!
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 07, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
OK, so here is my first ever contribution to this thread. I don't think I'm far enough to pass yet but I'd like to hear your honest opinion...
Love
-Jessica
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Wow Jessica, you look fantastic. Have you thought about growing your bangs out? I think that would look nice.
Quote from: chris.deee on October 11, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
Wow Jessica, you look fantastic. Have you thought about growing your bangs out? I think that would look nice.
Dear Chris,
Thank you so much for your kind words. And yes, I have not only thought about growing my bangs out, I haven't actually cut my hair for 10 months. It just takes foooooorever.....
Hugs
Jessica
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Quote from: roseyfox on October 11, 2016, 06:28:34 PM
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Omg, your hair is amazing - you look absolutely stunning!
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You are looking very good Jessica. I had short bangs for the first few months of my transition. I finally got them long enough to push over. I hate how long it takes my hair to grow. I think you have reached the passing zone.
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 11, 2016, 06:37:40 PM
I have not only thought about growing my bangs out, I haven't actually cut my hair for 10 months. It just takes foooooorever.....
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Quote from: caitlynjconklin on September 23, 2016, 03:52:06 PM
Hi,
I'm Caitlyn . I recently turned 34, was born with diabetes, and a transwoman. It took me until 33 to feel comfortable going out in public dressed up and to enjoy how my body looks:
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Thumbs up on your style girl! Reaaally classy! You look great no doubt.
Edit: OMG I just noticed this is the "Do I Pass" thread and not the "You look fabulous" one lol. I swear I thought I was in the "You look fabulous" post lol. So yes, no doubt you pass girl. In fact your pics should be on the other thread :D
Quote from: WynneN on October 10, 2016, 10:52:28 AM
It's been a while since I have posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
(https://i.imgur.com/U4gtzbd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XYUxhLg.jpg)
You look great i think longer hair too...but what a fantastic result
Two months hormones, plus new wig. How am I doing?
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Bad angle, for comparison:
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Quote from: Sandboxed on October 11, 2016, 03:27:58 PM
The brutal truth according to who?
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Some people thinks it's very brutal to hear another person's opinion about their passing. It's difficult for many to hear they doesn't pass. Therefor I called it "brutal truth". Even though it's just a opinion, it's still a brutal truth, because it's a fact if you doesn't pass for everybody. But you might pass for some people.
I still think that one can help themselves in passing by learning about clothing and makeup... women wear what's flattering to their figure, and hairstyles that fit their face/body. They also accent their best facial features with proper makeup application. I don't pass when I wake up, as most women don't.
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Ok, ladies! Take a good close look at those images and study them, particularly the first two. Harlie has concealer, eyeliner, and contouring down to a science. The change in appearance with careful makeup is just amazing.
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 13, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
Ok, ladies! Grab those images, and study them, particularly the first two. Harlie has concealer, eyeliner, and contouring down to a science. The change in appearance with careful makeup is just amazing.
Please don't download my photos... that's why I pull them off the net. I don't really want to have them circulated. :/
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 12, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
Two months hormones, plus new wig. How am I doing?
Very flattering hair style... and your face has slimmed quite a bit! You're well on your way!
Quote from: Harley Quinn on October 13, 2016, 10:24:44 AM
I still think that one can help themselves in passing by learning about clothing and makeup... women wear what's flattering to their figure, and hairstyles that fit their face/body. They also accent their best facial features with proper makeup application. I don't pass when I wake up, as most women don't.
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You did a good choice when it comes to hairstyle. It frames your face in a feminine and a good way which looks nice. You do pass at most of the pictures, but you do pass best at the second and third picture. In addition you pass better at these pictures than the last one, where your brow bridge looks more visible, due the shadow that hits your face. So getting natural light in your face is a big advantage in order to both pass and look even more feminine, since the feminine features in your face gets more visible/highlighted.
So long story short: You pass at all girl-mode pictures, but you pass better at the two first girl-mode pictures. But you doesn't pass as a woman in the picture with short hair.
Raen Phve, dark sorceress
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Not started HRT yet
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Quote from: Sebby Michelango on October 13, 2016, 01:46:38 PM
You did a good choice when it comes to hairstyle. It frames your face in a feminine and a good way which looks nice. You do pass at most of the pictures, but you do pass best at the second and third picture. In addition you pass better at these pictures than the last one, where your brow bridge looks more visible, due the shadow that hits your face. So getting natural light in your face is a big advantage in order to both pass and look even more feminine, since the feminine features in your face gets more visible/highlighted.
So long story short: You pass at all girl-mode pictures, but you pass better at the two first girl-mode pictures. But you doesn't pass as a woman in the picture with short hair.
Lol... thanks? I think you may have missed the point of my posting. It was basically that hair makeup and wardrobe make "passing" possible. I'm far from passing in the mornings.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on October 14, 2016, 12:14:05 PM
Lol... thanks? I think you may have missed the point of my posting. It was basically that hair makeup and wardrobe make "passing" possible. I'm far from passing in the mornings.
Anyway, now you knows my opinion. Sometimes I wants to say if I'm agree or disagree with a person, because people have difference views at things. Here is a example: If a person thinks they suits yellow clothes, I can either say I'm agree with them or disagree with them. Getting several opinions from several people might be helpful perhaps? :) Because if the person who believes they suits yellow clothes aren't 100% sure, it's easier for them to say if several people shares their opinions. At least, this is a "Do I pass?" thread where you may get many honest replies. If you don't want any opinions at some pictures, you can wright it in the description
EDITED: Some people mistook this for a personal attack. It certainly wasn't intended that way.
My apologies, everyone.
Wow..... yalls responses seem like y'all are attacking her because I would get offended if I was her. I think she looks androgynous is the first pic..... she also has short short hair in it tho. Half of y'all who are saying rude things about ones appearance don't even pass yalls selves and in my opinion people are lieing to a lot of you. I don't think these threads are good because they make people develop insecurities. Maybe y'all should go out in public instead of on here to see if y'all pass because that's the only way you will learn what actually looks good on you or not because photos sometimes lie.
This thread suddenly starts to sound like a presidential debate for some reason.
TGIF everyone :-)
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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 14, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
Half of y'all who are saying rude things about ones appearance don't even pass yalls selves and in my opinion people are lieing to a lot of you.
rofl
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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on October 14, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
Wow..... yalls responses seem like y'all are attacking her because I would get offended if I was her. I think she looks androgynous is the first pic..... she also has short short hair in it tho. Half of y'all who are saying rude things about ones appearance don't even pass yalls selves and in my opinion people are lieing to a lot of you. I don't think these threads are good because they make people develop insecurities. Maybe y'all should go out in public instead of on here to see if y'all pass because that's the only way you will learn what actually looks good on you or not because photos sometimes lie.
This thread is a "Do I pass?" thread and people are supposed to give feedback to each other; to people who post pictures here. If they don't want feedback, the thread is perhaps not for them. I have given several people many honest replies that is seen as honestly brutal where I told people they doesn't pass. Appearance have a lot to say in most cases when it comes to passing from what I've seen. Just because some people tells other that they doesn't pass doesn't mean they hasn't tried hard enough and it doesn't mean they looks bad either. Anyway, I hasn't seen the comment, but I'm telling my opinion at commenting others people appearances related to passing abilities.
Hi friends :police:
Let's calm things down a bit please
Thank you
V M
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I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think? :)
Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^
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I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think? :)
You looks androgynous for me, so it's hard to tell. But you have a great potential to pass. If you presents yourself in a feminine way with feminine clothes, (perhaps) makeup and behavior, it would be a bigger chance for passing. You can go both ways when it comes to gender, if you wants to.
:police:
Let me make it clear. People posting in a threads such as this should expect the unpleasant, unappreciated remark. I have to admit it amazes and amuses me that you take such consideration of some of the 'panel' members with any consideration at all!
I keep the thread because people like it, if it becomes a thread of hatred and ill feeling I shall close it.
It is your call.
I shall and I will take to task people who are being rude and nasty. So please consider your remarks before I decide to look at you in all of your glory.
Cindy.
Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^
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I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think? :)
For me, you look feminine and beautiful, girl! :D You don't need makeup to see a girl on you. You are doing so well!
Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^
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I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think? :)
I think you're doing great :icon_chick: What impresses me most are your happy and confident expressions
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 12, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
Two months hormones, plus new wig. How am I doing?
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Bad angle, for comparison:
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Sorry Karlie Ann, but you don't pass at all. Your masculine features are just too strong to begin with. And 2 months on HRT isn't nearly enough time to significantly alter one's face. You're doing better though! Compared to some of your older photos, your choices in accessories (such as wig, eyeglasses, are much more feminine).
Quote from: MarioandSonic on October 14, 2016, 11:47:46 AM
Not started HRT yet
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MarioandSonic, you don't pass yet either.
Look,
it's almost impossible to pass without a significant amount of time on HRT. It is the reason why crossdressers get clocked, no matter how hard they try. They can try all kinds of makeup, hair, accessories, and clothes, but they still don't pass, because they don't do HRT. It will be no different for you, regardless of your gender identity. If you were assigned-male-at-birth, and went through puberty with testosterone, you will not pass, period.
I don't want to be mean, but I do want to be honest. It's probably not worth it to post photos of yourself asking if you pass, unless you have been on HRT for at least 8 months, minimum. Because the answer will almost always be "
no, you do not pass. Give HRT more time to work its magic on you".
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 16, 2016, 08:37:43 AM
Sorry Karlie Ann, but you don't pass at all. Your masculine features are just too strong to begin with. And 2 months on HRT isn't nearly enough time to significantly alter one's face. You're doing better though! Compared to some of your older photos, your choices in accessories (such as wig, eyeglasses, are much more feminine).
MarioandSonic, you don't pass yet either.
Look, it's almost impossible to pass without a significant amount of time on HRT. It is the reason why crossdressers get clocked, no matter how hard they try. They can try all kinds of makeup, hair, accessories, and clothes, but they still don't pass, because they don't do HRT. It will be no different for you, regardless of your gender identity. If you were assigned-male-at-birth, and went through puberty with testosterone, you will not pass, period.
I don't want to be mean, but I do want to be honest. It's probably not worth it to post photos of yourself asking if you pass, unless you have been on HRT for at least 8 months, minimum. Because the answer will almost always be "no, you do not pass. Give HRT more time to work its magic on you".
I'm 100% agree with you and you're right. Passing is very difficult and it's just a few percent who really can pass as cis. [Almost] everybody needs to be at HRT for a long time in order to pass including the right clothing, hairstyle, makeup and surgical procedures. It's very common that trans women needs FFS in order to pass, because the testosterone is much stronger than estrogen. Therefor the strong masculine facial features is difficult to remove, but a trans man's face can easier get altered on testosterone and they would then easier becoming passable in general speaking.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 16, 2016, 08:37:43 AMLook, it's almost impossible to pass without a significant amount of time on HRT. It is the reason why crossdressers get clocked, no matter how hard they try. They can try all kinds of makeup, hair, accessories, and clothes, but they still don't pass, because they don't do HRT. It will be no different for you, regardless of your gender identity. If you were assigned-male-at-birth, and went through puberty with testosterone, you will not pass, period.
I don't want to be mean, but I do want to be honest. It's probably not worth it to post photos of yourself asking if you pass, unless you have been on HRT for at least 8 months, minimum. Because the answer will almost always be "no, you do not pass. Give HRT more time to work its magic on you".
Just to add to these painfully wise words, and hopefully soften them...
For the vast majority of us, it will take more than HRT to bring our physical presence into alignment with our inner selves. HRT will not reshape your forehead or your mandible. HRT will not change your voice. HRT will not get rid of your beard shadow.
It takes a long time to address these things.
Facial hair removal is crucial, and so is voice, if you really want to pass. And, in all likelihood, facial surgery. I had to do all these things to get gendered female day in and day out. It took time and money and effort. It was a real bitch.
The good news is that if you get your voice down (it'll probably take many months, sorry), it will change your presence in person, as will many months on HRT. You will still get read on occasion, but it will be sympathetically -- and with a great voice and personality, people will want to help you. In the meantime, though, certainly play with makeup and hairstyles and clothing. Figure out your style. It'll help you be more comfortable in your own skin, and that will translate into confidence, which in turn will help out in the big bad world.
What both Karlie and Sonic should take comfort in is that while you don't pass, a female spirit nonetheless shines through. Let
her be your guiding light.
Another thing I would mention is that the list is long for some people when it comes to what to do, in order to pass. But it's nothing wrong with not passing, so you doesn't need to do everything if you feels comfortable with that. Some people needs to do more than other people, because our bodies are difference and the genes and how early you started transition do also matter in many cases.
Common "bucketlist" some people goes through in order to pass.
- HRT
- Electrolysis/laser facial hair removal
- FFS and Adam's apple removal
- Voice surgery
- Voice training
- Hairstyle, makeup & clothing
I know I don't and will never pass 100% of the time, despite many years on HRT and 'the works" with Dr. O back in 1999.
That is simply because of my build. That likely would not have been an issue 30+ years agom but too many people are aware of us and know what to look for these days.
That said even before FFS, after about 8 months on HRT (about 1997-98) , while presenting as male, I was almost always taken as female by wait staff, was smiled at by strange women on the street, and it was not uncommon that when men saw me in the restroom they wondered if they were in the right restroom.
Back then, I got read read as male more when I was presenting female (and i did not dress very fem or inappropriately, just unambiguously female) ...
Basically What that said to me was people have certain expectations for certain body types... and if you meet them, that can take a you a long way. (Of course in the long run it helps if those expectations come close to matching who you are...)
These days I don't get read much at all... but still do occasionally (most 60+women don't get a lot of attention)
I know i do pass reasonably well. I had a nurse practitioner do a PAP smear on me without suspecting I was postOp (Gyn told me how surprised the nurse was when she told her I was TS).
Relatively recently I went to new Endo in a major medical center here. Because of records mixup I had to spend like a half hour dealing with front desk people. Apparently the endo had only dealt with TSes that were early on... she was obviously surprised by how well she thought I passed and said that no one there had a clue... And asked me if I was partnered with or dating a man. (As I said I don't think she has seen many TSes that passed well)
That said, sometimes (though very, very rarely), I still (particularly from those who see me initially from behind) obviously get read by strangers on the street.
The combination of big hands, big feet, broad shoulders, barrel chest and no hips to speak of can't always be overcome.
Basically if one has a reasonable body, all else can be overcome IMO. That said, I have only met a very few in person (so experienced the whole gestalt ) over the years, that I thought did pass 100%.
Quote from: Ataraxia on October 15, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Me and my amazing boyfriend, as of just 2 weeks ago ^^
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I feel like I pass since people usually gender me female on first meeting me, but I still always consider the possibility that maybe they're just being polite...so what do you guys think? :)
OK, first of all, you two are a super cute couple and I think all you need to pass are some accessories like earrings and a cute bag. You have very feminine facial structures. I don't think you need makeup at all, maybe some lipstick but that's it.
All the best to both of you.
Hugs
Jessica
Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?
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Cheers!
barbie~~
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 16, 2016, 02:30:35 PM
OK, first of all, you two are a super cute couple and I think all you need to pass are some accessories like earrings and a cute bag. You have very feminine facial structures. I don't think you need makeup at all, maybe some lipstick but that's it.
All the best to both of you.
Hugs
Jessica
I am the second to it.
Cheers!
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on October 16, 2016, 06:41:24 PM
Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female?
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Cheers!
barbie~~
Wow! There is no question that you easily pass and you have beautiful legs.
There is one thing with your outfit that I don't like, though. Stockings with open toed shoes is a no go in my opinion....
Hugs
Jessica
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on October 16, 2016, 07:21:53 PM
There is one thing with your outfit that I don't like, though. Stockings with open toed shoes is a no go in my opinion....
Thanks! Yes. I know it. As I am a runner, my feet are very vulnerable to athlete's foot, and I wear sandals even in winter.
Just ago at my campus. It's fall here!
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BTW, I am not on HRT, and I do not care so much about passing.
Cheers!
barbie~~
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I'm at 9.5 months HRT, started at 22 and I'm 23 now.. could you see me passing after a couple more years?
Quote from: AoifeJ on October 17, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
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I'm at 9.5 months HRT, started at 22 and I'm 23 now.. could you see me passing after a couple more years?
Going by your picture I can see you passing right now :)
Really? I don't see it, I feel like I'm always clocked right away
Quote from: AoifeJ on October 17, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Really? I don't see it, I feel like I'm always clocked right away
That's because you look into the mirror every day and don't notice the slow changes that are happening. The only thing I can think of is a light beard shadow on your upper lip. I'm pretty sure that once you get this cleaned up with laser or electro, you will no issues with your physical appearance anymore. Keep in mind, looks only is not enough if you behave like a guy but I'm sure you already know this... :)
Hugs
Jessica
Quote from: AoifeJ on October 17, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Really? I don't see it, I feel like I'm always clocked right away
You still have some beard shadow, and your nose and forehead are fairly pronounced. Could probably use a trachea shave, but it's hard to tell from this angle.
On the plus side, you have thick hair, a nice upper lip, and a pretty narrow jawline. Chin could be shortened, but at least it's tapered. You'd be a great candidate for facial surgery. The full works and you'd be dynamite.
Quote from: AoifeJ on October 17, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Really? I don't see it, I feel like I'm always clocked right away
One of the main issues with M-F is the facial hair/stubble. HRT will not resolve that. HRT over time may lighten body hair color and reduce hair growth in some parts of the body, but will not stop facial hair growth. M-F have to have the facial hair killed. Period. It's the main clocker for many. Some of the vets here have posted about the hours/days/weeks/months spent killing the facial hair. It's a must do for most. HRT is not going to resolve male stubble.
I'm aware of this, I'm going to get laser, more than the hair though it's my brow ridge and nose and head size that are just way too big. I didn't start HRT until 22 and 3/4.
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Quote from: AoifeJ on October 18, 2016, 05:51:30 AM
I'm aware of this, I'm going to get laser, more than the hair though it's my brow ridge and nose and head size that are just way too big. I didn't start HRT until 22 and 3/4.
The trick to head size is, ironically, to grow out more hair, so your face seems smaller in comparision. Not something to worry about, regardless.
Facial hair, facial features, and voice, that's the holy trinity.
Quote from: AoifeJ on October 17, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Really? I don't see it, I feel like I'm always clocked right away
Yep, I don't read you as female. Everything is here, you have a good bodyframe for what I can see, nice skin... But your face structure is very masculine.
The way I see it, you could spend a lot of time working on makeup, etc., and you might pass most of the time.
Or you could get FFS and pass instantly.
That's just my point of vue though, and I don't think the photos you posted really advantage you.
I do feel like FFS would definitely help eventually, but it's totally out of reach right now, financially. I get kind of sad thinking about how it would probably be necessary for me. I have a hope that eventually even though I don't "pass" I will get to a point where I'm comfortable and accepted enough to just be me and life my life without flak. Maybe it's a pipedream though.
Barbie, I'm sorry but you don't pass in my eyes. I'm sure most Americans will think you pass, but other Asians like me will think otherwise. There are very subtle but noticeable differences in the faces of Asian men and women that most people cannot pick up on, unless they spend lots of time with other Asians. I'm sure you already know this though, since you live in Korea.
AoifeJ, I'm sorry but you don't pass in my eyes either. Your facial hair is very easy to spot; it's the first thing I noticed. And as Ange wrote, your facial structure is very masculine, especially your brow bone. That being said, all is not lost. I have a local TS friend who transitioned more than 20 years ago. She never had FFS, and she also has a pronounced brow bone. But she passes quite well, and is accepted by all of her cis female friends as one of them (many of whom do not know she is trans). Keep in mind though, she had 20+ years of HRT. It might not take that long for you, but your 9.5 months of HRT is not enough to overcome such strong masculine features. But many, many years of HRT might do it.
Hi there,
I can see one potential solution to your issue, you need to get your eyebrows re-shaped. They are too straight in my opinion. Adding a bit of an arch would work. Also, adding a bit of makeup wouldn't hurt in your presentation.
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I'm at 9.5 months HRT, started at 22 and I'm 23 now.. could you see me passing after a couple more years?
Hey! If no one minds me getting really specific...could you tell me my most masculine and most feminine feature, please?
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Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 18, 2016, 04:03:22 PM
Hey! If no one minds me getting really specific...could you tell me my most masculine and most feminine feature, please?
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Fantastic hair! You have a fairly delicate chin and a small upper lip, quite good.
Your mandible is a bit square, but that's not a biggie. Your nose seems a bit larger than it should be, though, and it's where it bridges to your forehead that I can discern slight brow bossing. Your eyebrows could do with a trim. It'd be nice to see your features without makeup, and some profile shots.
I suspect you pass quite well as is. If all you ever had was a nose job, I bet you'd be fine. :)
Assuming your voice is spot on, and facial hair removal is taken care of, if you had FFS you'd be completely unclockable.
Actually, you look quite a bit like a girl I knew in school Amanda :icon_chick: Your features have softened and feminized rather well imo
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 18, 2016, 11:35:38 AM
Barbie, I'm sorry but you don't pass in my eyes. I'm sure most Americans will think you pass, but other Asians like me will think otherwise. There are very subtle but noticeable differences in the faces of Asian men and women that most people cannot pick up on, unless they spend lots of time with other Asians. I'm sure you already know this though, since you live in Korea.
Yes. My height alone makes me look exotic. Most sales persons in stores first speak to me in English. The same happens in hotels, airports and flights. In the street, some people also speak to me in English, if they can speak English. But I always use women's public rest room. My height attracts a lot of attention there, too, including little girls.
Cheers,
barbie~~
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 18, 2016, 04:03:22 PM
Hey! If no one minds me getting really specific...could you tell me my most masculine and most feminine feature, please?
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Fem -- Hair looks great, lips and eyes as well. Like the "cat eye" makeup look. Masc -- The eye brows, and that's an easy fix with reshaping. You look nice and would easily pass in my book. I don't see any facial hair, lucky you! :)
I am waiting to see if I can pass.
A comment by one passer-by, which my friend, the photographer, heard and later told me: "Too tall to be a woman, but likely a woman". Yes. They talk a lot about me behind, but I can not hear it.
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Cheers!
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on October 19, 2016, 01:30:10 AM
I am waiting to see if I can pass.
A comment by one passer-by, which my friend, the photographer, heard and later told me: "Too tall to be a woman, but likely a woman". Yes. They talk a lot about me behind, but I can not hear it.
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Cheers!
barbie~~
Oh, "too tall" is such BS. I know cis women who are 6ft+. Hell, to be a model you HAVE to be that tall! I swear, cis people, if they know someone is trans, focus on miniscule things that fit plenty of cis women but they have to come up with *some* kind of "tell". Ugh.
Which is to say, you are definitely not too tall, and I'd personally never guess that you were trans based on these photos. You look like a stunning, fit, middle-aged woman. <3
Quote from: AoifeJ on October 17, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
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I'm at 9.5 months HRT, started at 22 and I'm 23 now.. could you see me passing after a couple more years?
By this photo, you pass right now, IMO.
Quote from: Sophia Sage on October 18, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
Fantastic hair! You have a fairly delicate chin and a small upper lip, quite good.
Your mandible is a bit square, but that's not a biggie. Your nose seems a bit larger than it should be, though, and it's where it bridges to your forehead that I can discern slight brow bossing. Your eyebrows could do with a trim. It'd be nice to see your features without makeup, and some profile shots.
I suspect you pass quite well as is. If all you ever had was a nose job, I bet you'd be fine. :)
Assuming your voice is spot on, and facial hair removal is taken care of, if you had FFS you'd be completely unclockable.
I'm agree.
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I'm at 9.5 months HRT, started at 22 and I'm 23 now.. could you see me passing after a couple more years?
I think you should give HRT a bit more time to see how it would be, before considering FFS. If you face doesn't change during that period, you can considering FFS in order to pass. You aren't passing yet because some facial bones which gives your a bit masculine appearance. Your brow bridge, nose, eyebrows and five o'clock shadow is some masculine traits.
I know. I have very little money right now. I just started a new part time job and haven't been paid yet. Having to work as male is the reason my eyebrows aren't more thin. I teach ESL online so I need to appear male on camera.. luckily my face appears in a small window. I am planning on doing laser this winter when some money comes in, and switching to injections hopefully as well. I may end up passing from the front but my brow ridge, nose and forehead will never pass without FFS
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Outside on the deck...what do you all think.
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Rachael
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Outside on the deck...what do you all think.
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Rachael
Wait... Are u sure you're not a cis woman? Seriously! How long have u been on HRT?
Hugs
Jessica
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I've been on HRT for about 7 months.
Quote from: Sophia Sage on October 18, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
It'd be nice to see your features without makeup, and some profile shots.
No makeup??? Here it is...
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And straight on...
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And profile...
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And now that you've seen that, you can't unsee the man, right? [emoji23]
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 19, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
And now that you've seen that, you can't unsee the man, right? [emoji23]
Honestly? You still look pretty androgynous to me. I wish I could get make-up advice from you, though, for sure. :)
Quote from: MeghanMe on October 19, 2016, 05:30:50 PM
Honestly? You still look pretty androgynous to me. I wish I could get make-up advice from you, though, for sure. :)
Oh! I'd be happy to! Thank you so much! But I'm basically just trying to imitate this girl I used to work with who was always Gorgeous! Anything that alludes me gets searched on youtube. [emoji12]
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 19, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
Oh! I'd be happy to! Thank you so much! But I'm basically just trying to imitate this girl I used to work with who was always Gorgeous! Anything that alludes me gets searched on youtube. [emoji12]
:D
Well whatever you're doing, it's working. I posted a professional attempt at doing my face a couple of days ago (deleted because the deafening silence made me feel awkward) and it wasn't half as good.
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 19, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
And now that you've seen that, you can't unsee the man, right? [emoji23]
The brow bossing is more visible in profile, but overall doesn't really impinge on your eyes, which is the important thing. Looks like you've got some facial hair to clean up. And, of course, you have your youth.
I stand by my previous assertions!
Not that you need it, but given your great starting point FFS would make you totally unclockable, assuming your voice is there.
Quote from: MeghanMe on October 19, 2016, 05:59:48 PM
:D
Well whatever you're doing, it's working. I posted a professional attempt at doing my face a couple of days ago (deleted because the deafening silence made me feel awkward) and it wasn't half as good.
If you wouldn't mind posting that again, I'd like to see.
Sure -- I will! But I'm not going to do it here. I don't pass and I'm not really strong enough to get the critique that happens on this thread yet.
Before I go, though, do you have any make-up tutorials or youtube channels that you particularly like?
EDIT: Okay, I posted them in the "You look fabulous" thread again.
Kool! Thanks! I'll head over and check it out. My favorite channel is glam and gore. My wife says I've got disney princess eyes, so I focus on that. Anything else, I search one thing.(like maybe foundation) and find a whole playlist to watch. Then after about a dozen videos I just try it again with the sum of all that information. It also makes for a fun evening![emoji1]
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Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 19, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
No makeup??? Here it is...
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And straight on...
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And profile...
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And now that you've seen that, you can't unsee the man, right? [emoji23]
You do have some androgynous in you, but you do look a bit male in certain places in your face. The brow bridge/brow bossing and the big nose with a few sharp edge in it do definitely look masculine which makes passing harder. Shaping your eyebrows may improve your passing a bit.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 16, 2016, 08:37:43 AM
Sorry Karlie Ann, but you don't pass at all. Your masculine features are just too strong to begin with. And 2 months on HRT isn't nearly enough time to significantly alter one's face. You're doing better though! Compared to some of your older photos, your choices in accessories (such as wig, eyeglasses, are much more feminine).
I...Jeez. Ouch. I have huge fears that I'll never be able to pass, so I kind of was hoping for, not yet, but you've got potential. I haven't had that yet, and I'm beginning to suspect I never will. I read this a week ago and it was enough to make me stop the hormones. I guess I'm in limbo. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 20, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
I...Jeez. Ouch. I have huge fears that I'll never be able to pass, so I kind of was hoping for, not yet, but you've got potential. I haven't had that yet, and I'm beginning to suspect I never will. I read this a week ago and it was enough to make me stop the hormones. I guess I'm in limbo. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Hi Karlie Ann,
I hate reading this. Dysphoria sucks and I know exactly the fear you're talking about. BUT. I looked back over your photos... you have pretty eyes and great lips. Your wig works really well for your face. And your make-up skills are on point. You look a lot more feminine in your avatar than in the first or last photo you posted, too.
I guess what I'm saying is, don't base your entire life on one "brutally honest" poster's opinion. Once we get to a certain age, all of us have masculine and feminine traits, and all of us face the possibility that we may never pass as well as we would like. But listen: my therapist told me a couple of weeks ago that she had never met someone who went through transition and didn't eventually get to a result they liked. That doesn't mean we all 100% pass. But it does mean all the transpeople she's known have found a better life.
Whatever you do, be well,
Meghan
Quote from: Rachael on October 19, 2016, 02:06:24 PM
Outside on the deck...what do you all think.
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Rachael
Yes seriously sis you look cis !!
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 20, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
I...Jeez. Ouch. I have huge fears that I'll never be able to pass, so I kind of was hoping for, not yet, but you've got potential. I haven't had that yet, and I'm beginning to suspect I never will. I read this a week ago and it was enough to make me stop the hormones. I guess I'm in limbo. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Karlie Ann, I'm sorry you were hurt by my comments. But in my opinion, it is better to be told "you do not pass" on an internet forum than to find out the hard way in real-life, possibly getting clocked, shouted at, and publicly ridiculed by a group of insensitive teenagers.
As for "potential", that doesn't really mean anything at all. There's no way to quantify "potential". We all react differently to HRT and at different rates. There is no way to predict how HRT will change a person's face and how much it will make someone passable. Now, will HRT make someone look more feminine? Sure. But to what extent? The answer is nobody knows. It is all just speculation until it happens. I never tell people that they have "potential" because IMO it's disingenuous.
I have a trans friend who started living full-time before starting laser, or electrolysis, or even HRT. Her facial hair stubble was visible from a mile away because she has black hair and light skin. She didn't pass at all. In fact, her passability was FAR worse than yours currently is. But her dysphoria had gotten so bad that it didn't matter whether she passed or not. She had to transition and she had to live full-time. Has it been hard for her? Absolutely! But her inner beauty shone through, and she persevered, and she's made many friends since, including plenty of trans friends and many cis female friends too - even at work!
If you truly need to transition you will do it regardless of comments made by a mean person like me on the internet. You'll transition regardless of your passability, your facial hair, your age, your height, your facial bone structure, your family, your finances, or anything else. You won't let
anything stop you. If you're not at that point, then maybe stopping hormones is the right decision, and a visit to your gender therapist to talk these things through is in order.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrVrTmqn.jpg&hash=5f25b31c3bac263e0018514e431aad0d5ec2ce26) just got a new shirt :3
still cant afford laser yet *rage* but this was last week
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Quote from: roseyfox on October 21, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrVrTmqn.jpg&hash=5f25b31c3bac263e0018514e431aad0d5ec2ce26) just got a new shirt :3
Nice pic .. love the curly hair.
Quote from: SoraKat on October 21, 2016, 09:48:42 PM
still cant afford laser yet *rage* but this was last week
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If your funds are limited then invest them on something that is more certain than laser...it's called electrolysis.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 21, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
Karlie Ann, I'm sorry you were hurt by my comments. But in my opinion, it is better to be told "you do not pass" on an internet forum than to find out the hard way in real-life, possibly getting clocked, shouted at, and publicly ridiculed by a group of insensitive teenagers.
As for "potential", that doesn't really mean anything at all. There's no way to quantify "potential". We all react differently to HRT and at different rates. There is no way to predict how HRT will change a person's face and how much it will make someone passable. Now, will HRT make someone look more feminine? Sure. But to what extent? The answer is nobody knows. It is all just speculation until it happens. I never tell people that they have "potential" because IMO it's disingenuous.
I have a trans friend who started living full-time before starting laser, or electrolysis, or even HRT. Her facial hair stubble was visible from a mile away because she has black hair and light skin. She didn't pass at all. In fact, her passability was FAR worse than yours currently is. But her dysphoria had gotten so bad that it didn't matter whether she passed or not. She had to transition and she had to live full-time. Has it been hard for her? Absolutely! But her inner beauty shone through, and she persevered, and she's made many friends since, including plenty of trans friends and many cis female friends too - even at work!
If you truly need to transition you will do it regardless of comments made by a mean person like me on the internet. You'll transition regardless of your passability, your facial hair, your age, your height, your facial bone structure, your family, your finances, or anything else. You won't let anything stop you. If you're not at that point, then maybe stopping hormones is the right decision, and a visit to your gender therapist to talk these things through is in order.
I really admire this kind of straight forward honesty and intelligence.
Presentation in public as female started for me before I had done much of anything except useless laser hair removal.
Full time after 6 months on hormones.
As you say, sometimes we just want to live life in our chosen gender asap.
I got tired of the double life very quickly and was sick of presenting as male, even though I still looked rather male at 6 months.
Quote from: Vervain on October 19, 2016, 02:54:24 AM
Oh, "too tall" is such BS. I know cis women who are 6ft+. Hell, to be a model you HAVE to be that tall! I swear, cis people, if they know someone is trans, focus on miniscule things that fit plenty of cis women but they have to come up with *some* kind of "tell". Ugh.
Which is to say, you are definitely not too tall, and I'd personally never guess that you were trans based on these photos. You look like a stunning, fit, middle-aged woman. <3
Thanks, Vervain.
Just returning from a 3-day trip to the mainland.
My height alone caused a lot of attention, but passing is not a serious issue to me. People pay attention me, and sometimes it is not so bad. There is a restaurant in the airport, and female workers there all remember me, saying hi to me, even I have never introduced myself to them. They even know my family.... But they treat me far more nicely than other ordinary guests.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5797/30486212965_26771b8152_b.jpg)
Usually people pay attention to female flight attendants in uniform, but it is the opposite in my case. Some of them also remember me, and say hello to me.
I look tall with high heels. My friend next to me is 5 feet 10 inch (178 cm) high.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5499/30449786016_407c249e15_b.jpg)
Passing is meaningless when I meet my friends, colleagues and students.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5771/30449813886_b13fe222ca_b.jpg)
I just try to look nice (and of course beautiful) regardless of my gender.
My new Facebook profile photo taken today.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5633/30369103932_5a3e51cb0c_b.jpg)
Cheers!
barbie~~
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 20, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
I...Jeez. Ouch. I have huge fears that I'll never be able to pass, so I kind of was hoping for, not yet, but you've got potential. I haven't had that yet, and I'm beginning to suspect I never will. I read this a week ago and it was enough to make me stop the hormones. I guess I'm in limbo. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Don't ever ever ever let anyone or anything get you down, and don't ever think you can't do it. You absolutely
can. You have to keep in mind that you'll never get a fully realistic idea of whether or not you pass here. Here, you're starting from the premise that "I'm transgender, do you see anything about me that could give that away?" So you'll often get feedback that's simply a listing of the features you have that the person giving the feedback views as masculine. There's other factors that go into it as well, like how said features go along with the rest of your face. One or two masculine features isn't necessarily enough to keep you from "passing", and if it were then lots of cisgender females wouldn't "pass". Realistically, out in the streets, people are going to go with wehat their overall impression and built-in "cues" that they're not fully aware that they're using, and thereit's almost impossible to give an objective analysis of how those will be invoked, especially when starting with the knowledge that you're trans.
Really, I believe the only way to get a realistic perspective on whether or not you "pass" is to go out and see for yourself. If you get gendered female more often than not, then you pass. If you do get read sometimes, it may be frustrating, but really it isn't the end of the world and it certainly doesn't take away from the fact that you're a woman. "passing" and such aside, you're a woman and no one will ever be able to take that away from you.
*hugs*
I was bullied a lot as a kid. As an adult, I'm pretty accepted by people and even liked. The idea of getting bullied again, yes, it terrifies me. It's a question of whether or not, thanks to my past, I can handle being bullied as a man trying to pass as a woman without falling apart. I've read comment sections on conservative blogs. I know what they think of us. Obviously, my ability to pass is a top concern for me, and yes, I struggle EVERY DAY with the fear of whether or not I can transition and pass enough to fly under the radar of people like that. Especially because, Ilive in the middle of a major city that has a lot of people like that.
That said....
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to tell me whether or not I should transition. Thanks for your opinion, but if I'm hurt by it I think I should be able to say so. That doesn't mean I think you're mean, or that you're a bad person. It just means that the criticism stung. After all, being open with our feelings IS a feminine trait, isn't it?
Also, Thanks to Dena, MeghanMe, and Ataraxia, who were kind enough to be encouraging without sugar-coating or ->-bleeped-<- or whatever the term is.
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 22, 2016, 09:34:21 PM
I was bullied a lot as a kid. As an adult, I'm pretty accepted by people and even liked. The idea of getting bullied again, yes, it terrifies me. It's a question of whether or not, thanks to my past, I can handle being bullied as a man trying to pass as a woman without falling apart. I've read comment sections on conservative blogs. I know what they think of us. Obviously, my ability to pass is a top concern for me, and yes, I struggle EVERY DAY with the fear of whether or not I can transition and pass enough to fly under the radar of people like that. Especially because, Ilive in the middle of a major city that has a lot of people like that.
That said....
Neither you nor anyone else has the right to tell me whether or not I should transition. Thanks for your opinion, but if I'm hurt by it I think I should be able to say so. That doesn't mean I think you're mean, or that you're a bad person. It just means that the criticism stung. After all, being open with our feelings IS a feminine trait, isn't it?
I have never been bullied when in public. Normally adults are to polite or to wrapped up in their own problems to give you a hard time. The conservatives that you read about are a small vocal part of the conservative movement. You will find they are quite brave when they have a keyboard in their hands but if you were to meet one in public, they would be a coward. I am a conservative and have spent weeks with thousands of them while vending. Other than an occasional mis gender, I didn't have a single problem. They were more than willing to take my advice and hand me money for merchandise. They had other vendors available that sold many of the things we did but still they bought from us.
Quote from: Ataraxia on October 22, 2016, 05:22:29 PM
Don't ever ever ever let anyone or anything get you down, and don't ever think you can't do it. You absolutely can. You have to keep in mind that you'll never get a fully realistic idea of whether or not you pass here. Here, you're starting from the premise that "I'm transgender, do you see anything about me that could give that away?" So you'll often get feedback that's simply a listing of the features you have that the person giving the feedback views as masculine. There's other factors that go into it as well, like how said features go along with the rest of your face. One or two masculine features isn't necessarily enough to keep you from "passing", and if it were then lots of cisgender females wouldn't "pass". Realistically, out in the streets, people are going to go with wehat their overall impression and built-in "cues" that they're not fully aware that they're using, and thereit's almost impossible to give an objective analysis of how those will be invoked, especially when starting with the knowledge that you're trans.
Really, I believe the only way to get a realistic perspective on whether or not you "pass" is to go out and see for yourself. If you get gendered female more often than not, then you pass. If you do get read sometimes, it may be frustrating, but really it isn't the end of the world and it certainly doesn't take away from the fact that you're a woman. "passing" and such aside, you're a woman and no one will ever be able to take that away from you.
*hugs*
Yes. I totally agree.
The idea that you can evaluate whether you can pass in public based on the 2-dimensional snapshots of a part of your face or body is misleading. Yes. To some degree, it is possible and helpful. Of course, it is interesting and can be entertaining. But, do not take it seriously.
No m2f transgeder person can 100% pass. Of course, you can pass for some time and for some people. But the reality is that you are not a genetic female. We just try to overcome it, not to change the reality. I just accept and acknowledge that I am just between a man and a woman. Nowadays I always use women's bathroom and fix my makeup in front of the mirror with other women. All strangers call me as Miss (
agassi in Korean). But this does not mean that I pass 100%.
QuoteYou can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln
There are many factors in passing. The location, the time, and the people you are interacting with. And your job, career, friends, social position, body gesture, culture and etc. Do not expect that you can pass universally.
To me, passing is not so much critical, but I guess passing can be very important to other people here for various reasons. My goal (albeit vain) is not to pass, but to look tasteful (and hopefully beautiful). And the bottom line is that I am always honest when asked about my gender identity.
barbie~~
Quote from: roseyfox on October 21, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rVrTmqn.jpg just got a new shirt :3
Roseyfox, I think you pass in this photo. That's a cute Rainbow Dash pony shirt. :)
Quote from: SoraKat on October 21, 2016, 09:48:42 PM
still cant afford laser yet *rage* but this was last week
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/flexibob/androfb2_zpsv3kje4p0.jpg
SoraKat, I don't really know what to make of this photo. You don't really look male, but you don't look definitively female either. I think if a stranger came across you in public, they'd have difficulty gendering you and would resort to other cues to determine your gender (I am ignoring your facial hair for now, which as you know gets you instantly gendered as male).
I will post in 8 months :P as I only started hrt 7 days ago
Quote from: barbie on October 22, 2016, 06:27:47 AM
My height alone caused a lot of attention...
barbie~~
It is not so much the height but the way you present that makes you standout. I consider it the classic over 50s fetish look that the stereotypical cross dressers of the 1990s wore. Perhaps I am blunt. Although I am not alone in thinking it, I am just more matter of fact.
Quote from: roseyfox on October 21, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrVrTmqn.jpg&hash=5f25b31c3bac263e0018514e431aad0d5ec2ce26) just got a new shirt :3
You look great do not stress :)
Quote from: Sarah leah on October 23, 2016, 07:17:14 AM
It is not so much the height but the way you present that makes you standout. I consider it the classic over 50s fetish look that the stereotypical cross dressers of the 1990s wore. Perhaps I am blunt. Although I am not alone in thinking it, I am just more matter of fact.
Oh. Thanks for the honest comment. No. I do not think you are blunt at all. I am sure you have never been in Japan, China or Korea. Fashion is a kind of cultural thing, which differs by region and of course by time.
Cheers!
barbie~~
Yea, it may seem weird if you're not familiar with Asian society... but in Korea (where Barbie lives, and where I was born) it's quite acceptable for women to dress like that in everyday life. It's thought of as fashionable, not slutty or fetish.
Check out this YouTube video by English teachers living in Korea who are talking about some of the differences (this link will take you to the 5:36 mark where they specifically talk about skirts and skirt length in Korea (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0Q3bn__lw#t=05m36s), and how it's perceived differently compared to western culture).
As you can see, "passing" means different things in different cultures. :)
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 23, 2016, 10:38:12 AM
Check out this YouTube video by English teachers living in Korea who are talking about some of the differences (this link will take you to the 5:36 mark where they specifically talk about skirts and skirt length in Korea (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0Q3bn__lw#t=05m36s), and how it's perceived differently compared to western culture).
Oh. Thanks for the youtube link.
Even in the US or other western countries, there are huge differences in fashion between big cities and rural areas.
For example, when I visited a rural area (southern Maryland) a few months ago, I had never seen any single woman wearing skirt during my 7 day stay, not to mention high heels. Most people there wear like those photos at http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ .
But, at the National mall of DC, I saw a lot of young women wearing miniskirt and >4 inch high heels.
I guess the population density does matter in fashion. Women living in a populated area do care about their fashion. Young women in New York downtown areas or Paris are as much fashionable as those in Seoul, or even more.
Yes. I try to wear appropriately in the standard of the area I visit. For example, in the DC area, I wore like this:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7601/27687154270_290ef67db6_b.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7261/27932761436_b19c51d42a_b.jpg)
But, I regretted it, as I saw a lot of young women wearing miniskirt.
barbie~~
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 20, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
I...Jeez. Ouch. I have huge fears that I'll never be able to pass, so I kind of was hoping for, not yet, but you've got potential. I haven't had that yet, and I'm beginning to suspect I never will. I read this a week ago and it was enough to make me stop the hormones. I guess I'm in limbo. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
Karlie Ann, I'm sorry that you're in a difficult place right now. Passing is hard and in many ways it is only the first step of many steps in living successfully as a woman. If anyone told you that this path was easy, they either lied to you or didn't know what they were talking about.
I believe that honest opinions like Emily's are the best thing for this thread even though they can be hard to hear. What you decide to do with her honest and fair opinion is up to you.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 21, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
If you truly need to transition you will do it regardless of comments made by a mean person like me on the internet. You'll transition regardless of your passability, your facial hair, your age, your height, your facial bone structure, your family, your finances, or anything else. You won't let anything stop you. If you're not at that point, then maybe stopping hormones is the right decision, and a visit to your gender therapist to talk these things through is in order.
Well said my friend.
Quote from: roseyfox on October 21, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrVrTmqn.jpg&hash=5f25b31c3bac263e0018514e431aad0d5ec2ce26) just got a new shirt :3
You are looking really good, Rosey!
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 18, 2016, 04:03:22 PM
Hey! If no one minds me getting really specific...could you tell me my most masculine and most feminine feature, please?
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Amanda, your eyes are your best feature, you have pretty hair, your chin is a nice shape and your eyebrows are fairly high. You also don't seem to have an adam's apple, yay you! Your nose is wide and might be the most masculine feature of your face. The heaviness of your eyebrows is also masculinizing. You could get them shaped at a salon for a modest amount of money and get a feminine arch.
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 20, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
I...Jeez. Ouch. I have huge fears that I'll never be able to pass, so I kind of was hoping for, not yet, but you've got potential. I haven't had that yet, and I'm beginning to suspect I never will. I read this a week ago and it was enough to make me stop the hormones. I guess I'm in limbo. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
I found this and the posting that precipitated it quite troubling, in particular as it underlined the fragility of many members of our community and the need for sensitivity when we interact with each other.
I think it's important that we keep 'passing' in perspective. On this thread, we are asked to judge based on sometimes poorly taken photographs - I know they say that the camera doesn't lie but if it's too close to the subject then it can distort facial features. Conversely, take a look at the following link to a flickr gallery of a makeover studio in London:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/boyswillbegirls/
The vast majority 'pass' on these pictures thanks to the exceptional talents of Cindy, the studio owner (who is TG herself) but few, if any, of them are undergoing transition or HRT.
A browse through YouTube yields further insights. I can think of a number of TG YouTubers who photographically 'pass' but whose whole deportment, when revealed on video, is obviously male; equally I can think of examples who do not facially 'pass' but who exude feminity in the way they walk and their mannerisms (without being over the top). Therefore, I think it's very dangerous to judge passability on photographs only and, personally, prefer 'blending in as a female' to 'facially look like a female' as the definition of 'passing'.
Sadly, the reality for the majority of us is that we need surgical assistance to counter the effects of testosterone but a glance through the 'before and after' threads on both this site and of the FFS clinics underline that the results can be spectacular, even for those whose 'before' photos would not have passed muster in this thread. Additionally, putting skillful cosmetics to one side, the only way that those who are early in transition can truly pass at that stage is if they had feminine features to start with but, as we have seen, that doesn't have to be a prerequisite to ultimately fitting in as a female.
Ultimately, though, we do live in an increasingly tolerant society (although this varies by location and we still have some way to go to eradicate all prejudice) and I think we're all looking forward to the day that this thread becomes redundant because it no longer matters.
In the meantime, Karlie Ann, don't lose faith and continue on your journey - we're all rooting for you.
Amanda
Quote from: aaajjj55 on October 24, 2016, 01:58:24 AM
I found this and the posting that precipitated it quite troubling, in particular as it underlined the fragility of many members of our community and the need for sensitivity when we interact with each other.
I think it's important that we keep 'passing' in perspective. On this thread, we are asked to judge based on sometimes poorly taken photographs - I know they say that the camera doesn't lie but if it's too close to the subject then it can distort facial features. Conversely, take a look at the following link to a flickr gallery of a makeover studio in London:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/boyswillbegirls/
The vast majority 'pass' on these pictures thanks to the exceptional talents of Cindy, the studio owner (who is TG herself) but few, if any, of them are undergoing transition or HRT.
A browse through YouTube yields further insights. I can think of a number of TG YouTubers who photographically 'pass' but whose whole deportment, when revealed on video, is obviously male; equally I can think of examples who do not facially 'pass' but who exude feminity in the way they walk and their mannerisms (without being over the top). Therefore, I think it's very dangerous to judge passability on photographs only and, personally, prefer 'blending in as a female' to 'facially look like a female' as the definition of 'passing'.
Sadly, the reality for the majority of us is that we need surgical assistance to counter the effects of testosterone but a glance through the 'before and after' threads on both this site and of the FFS clinics underline that the results can be spectacular, even for those whose 'before' photos would not have passed muster in this thread. Additionally, putting skillful cosmetics to one side, the only way that those who are early in transition can truly pass at that stage is if they had feminine features to start with but, as we have seen, that doesn't have to be a prerequisite to ultimately fitting in as a female.
Ultimately, though, we do live in an increasingly tolerant society (although this varies by location and we still have some way to go to eradicate all prejudice) and I think we're all looking forward to the day that this thread becomes redundant because it no longer matters.
In the meantime, Karlie Ann, don't lose faith and continue on your journey - we're all rooting for you.
Amanda
I can remember posting in this thread early prior to starting transition...I did not get one response and it really rocked me back on my heels so I can't imagine how it would be to feel like someone was really critical...I understand why they would be with me...more recently my wife thinks that with a Nose Job and a surgical lip correction I could pass enough to be safe. That is essentially as far as I think I can get too...I don't have unlimited funds.
I remember at the time being totally devastated that no one could even see the potential in me. I don't want to stick out and am going for consults on both these issues. I would be very surprised if there is anything in the kitty after this. The further in transition I go the more I want to be able to drop under peoples radar.
Liz
Quote from: ElizabethK on October 24, 2016, 04:05:01 AM
I can remember posting in this thread early prior to starting transition...I did not get one response and it really rocked me back on my heels...
I remember at the time being totally devastated that no one could even see the potential in me.
If some people feel that silence is tantamount to criticism, then maybe this thread shouldn't exist. Or we could let this thread degenerate into a chorus of cheers and affirmations, telling people that they pass regardless. Or just tell everyone that they have "potential". /shrug
Quote from: aaajjj55 on October 24, 2016, 01:58:24 AM
Conversely, take a look at the following link to a flickr gallery of a makeover studio in London:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/boyswillbegirls/
The vast majority 'pass' on these pictures thanks to the exceptional talents of Cindy, the studio owner (who is TG herself) but few, if any, of them are undergoing transition or HRT.
I don't think they pass. I guess if they were going to a nightclub they would, but I doubt anyone here is going to spend the majority of their post-transition life in nightclubs. :P If you zoom in on their faces, the vast majority of them have obviously male faces, and that's WITH the makeup caked on. In everyday life, people don't wear that much makeup - ironically it gets you clocked. I stand by what I said earlier about needing HRT in order to pass.
Quote from: aaajjj55 on October 24, 2016, 01:58:24 AM
Sadly, the reality for the majority of us is that we need surgical assistance to counter the effects of testosterone
I agree with you here. It's sad, but true.
Speaking from my own experience, when I first started presenting as female in public, I went to local transgender support groups. Almost everyone I met told me that I passed. I felt great to hear it! And that's quite a feat, isn't it? To pass so early, and in-person? But I had a few friends (some full-time, some part-timers) who told me that I did not pass. And they were
very specific about what facial features looked masculine. That
really hurt, so I know how it feels - and these friends told me this upfront, in-person and to my face! ouch!! But I took their criticisms to heart and tried to learn all I could about makeup and contouring to hide these features and emphasize other parts of my face. And then eventually, when I had FFS, I knew from experience what parts of my face I wanted to get done. Looking back, although it hurt at the time, I'm very glad that these few, true friends were honest with me.
Now that I think about it,
maybe instead of a "do I pass?" thread, it would be more beneficial to have a thread titled "what can I do to look more feminine?" Or "what can I do to improve my look?" Because when instead presented with the question, "do I pass?", the answer will invariably be a simple "yes" or "no"... which is not nearly as helpful in comparison.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 24, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
Now that I think about it, maybe instead of a "do I pass?" thread, it would be more beneficial to have a thread titled "what can I do to look more feminine?" Or "what can I do to improve my look?" Because when instead presented with the question, "do I pass?", the answer will invariably be a simple "yes" or "no"... which is not nearly as helpful in comparison.
Seconded. :)
Quote from: ElizabethK on October 24, 2016, 04:05:01 AM
I can remember posting in this thread early prior to starting transition...I did not get one response and it really rocked me back on my heels so I can't imagine how it would be to feel like someone was really critical...I understand why they would be with me...more recently my wife thinks that with a Nose Job and a surgical lip correction I could pass enough to be safe. That is essentially as far as I think I can get too...I don't have unlimited funds.
I remember at the time being totally devastated that no one could even see the potential in me. I don't want to stick out and am going for consults on both these issues. I would be very surprised if there is anything in the kitty after this. The further in transition I go the more I want to be able to drop under peoples radar.
Liz
When I started out, I was like many. I had much to learn about passing. I did plenty of things wrong and back in those days there just weren't the resources that are available today. Some people were "nice." Others avoided a direct answer if I asked about my pass ability. Only very few were honest and gave specific advice about a couple of things that I was doing wrong. I would fix those things and try again. FFS wasn't an option at the time; hair, make-up, jewelry and clothes are what i had to work with. I continued the process and got better. It didn't happen overnight.
It is my opinion that this thread should remain a place for honest feedback. Anything else is either useless or misleading. I'm never going to tell a girl that she passes unless I truly think that running across her unknown at the mall that I would gender her as female automatically. Unfortunately, a still photo does not show the full picture. A speaking video clip is what is needed, unless you plan to never speak to anyone, but I digress. We have to start somewhere.
Remember when you get feedback that the poster may very well have gone through this process herself and wants to help you. Therefore, take the advice in the spirit in which it is offered.
Liz, I'm sorry that no one responded to your photo when you posted. I don't particularly remember it being posted. To be honest, it's true that it is a hard thing to tell someone that they don't pass and it is easier to simply not comment. So perhaps there ought to be another thread for people seeking advice on how they can improve rather than seek a definitive "yes" or "no." When people post, they should make it clear whether they can afford some level of surgical options.
Hi All,
I have up until now avoided posting in this thread because I view it as a bit of a minefield where one must tread lightly.... I agree with Emily that a different thread title could be of help... Some are here for positive affirmation and that affirmation can be invaluable... Instilling confidence to move forward with claiming a life which is truly your own... I benefitted in that way in the beginning of my journey from friends who told me how great I looked when I was probably passable at a glance but not under scrutiny... Still, with confidence I moved forward... Today... I only desire to pass as what I am... Female... If people see me as genetic female or a transwoman matters not...
Others come here for true critique because they seek to make changes but aren't sure what to address ... VirtualFFS dot com offers critique and Photoshopping results but This forum can also be a wonderful place to receive thoughts from your sisters in how they see your best path to visual passing... Remember too, beyond the facial aspects... Passing is very much how you carry yourself, confidence, voice etc so going by a pic or two does not tell the whole story...
We all carry a lot of hopes, expectations and dreams into this process many of those hopes may be realized and some may not but I am honored to be traveling this road with all of you... You are all beautiful women...
Onward we go!
Ashley :)
A couple of recent shots of me :-)
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Woah! You're looking spectacular! Yeah... I'd probably think you're a cisgirl and be super jealous. [emoji1]
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Quote from: byanyothername on October 24, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
A couple of recent shots of me :-)
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You doesn't pass because of your masculine facial features. Males do often have bigger noses than females in addition to more brow bridge and sharper edges in the face. Shoulders and height might also affect the passing. You do also have very intense makeup around your eyes including a special stare that also do passing harder. It seems like you're hiding something. Showing your teeth when you're smiling and smiling because of you're happy instead of staging it may make you appear more feminine instead. Try to relax and act natural, then people wouldn't read you as a person who tries to hide something or staging something. FFS may be the solution in order to pass as a cis woman. Without it, it would be nearly impossible to pass 110%. People do probably read you as non-cis.
Quote from: tgirlamc on October 24, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
Hi All,
I have up until now avoided posting in this thread because I view it as a bit of a minefield where one must tread lightly.... I agree with Emily that a different thread title could be of help... Some are here for positive affirmation and that affirmation can be invaluable... Instilling confidence to move forward with claiming a life which is truly your own... I benefitted in that way in the beginning of my journey from friends who told me how great I looked when I was probably passable at a glance but not under scrutiny... Still, with confidence I moved forward... Today... I only desire to pass as what I am... Female... If people see me as genetic female or a transwoman matters not...
Others come here for true critique because they seek to make changes but aren't sure what to address ... VirtualFFS dot com offers critique and Photoshopping results but This forum can also be a wonderful place to receive thoughts from your sisters in how they see your best path to visual passing... Remember too, beyond the facial aspects... Passing is very much how you carry yourself, confidence, voice etc so going by a pic or two does not tell the whole story...
We all carry a lot of hopes, expectations and dreams into this process many of those hopes may be realized and some may not but I am honored to be traveling this road with all of you... You are all beautiful women...
Onward we go!
Ashley :)
I agree totally I feel personally it would be worth while
Personally and I am sure a thread such as "Help me pass" or similar would help others as well as me.
I would like some feedback, I know I don't pass at the moment but like so many I would also like suggestions as to what I can do to improve things. The other part of this is that so many girls say exactly what I do "I will never pass" where in actual fact they will, they just can't see it yet. Just because someone doesn't pass to me they may to someone else.
Liz
Quote from: byanyothername on October 24, 2016, 02:14:04 PM
A couple of recent shots of me :-)
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I think you look very good. Assuming you were out there with confidence, you would pass.
In my eyes, it helps a lot that your whole outfit works together. The only area where I might suggest some improvement is in maybe a little more hair volume. Jennifer Garner has a long face, perhaps her hairstyles might be something to look at.
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 22, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Also, Thanks to Dena, MeghanMe, and Ataraxia, who were kind enough to be encouraging without sugar-coating or ->-bleeped-<- or whatever the term is.
In looking at the 3 pics posted, pic #2 should be your goal. In that pic your face is soft with nice lips. I get some of that is lighting, but HRT does soften the skin. I thought you looked very nice in pic #2 ... don't give up sweetie. :)
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 24, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
If some people feel that silence is tantamount to criticism, then maybe this thread shouldn't exist. Or we could let this thread degenerate into a chorus of cheers and affirmations, telling people that they pass regardless. Or just tell everyone that they have "potential". /shrug
I think you're 100% right but, equally, it's important to remember that many of the members of this community have a high level of insecurity about their ability to 'pass' and, rightly or wrongly, post to this thread in the hope that they'll receive encouragement. Recent posts have underlined the emotional impact of either negative comment or no comment but the last thing that anyone needs is a chorus of platitudes.
QuoteI don't think they pass....If you zoom in on their faces ...
Again, on a fundamental level you're right but we don't do forensic examinations on everyone we walk past in the street! My point here was that, photographically, they appear convincing and many people would not immediately identify them as male on a cursory glance (and we also need to bear in mind firstly that the majority are glamour shots for a specific purpose and secondly that this community has a far better understanding of the facial differences between the genders than the average person). Obviously, put them in a real life situation and, even with a toned down everyday look the majority would not pass due to deportment, voice, mannerisms etc.
QuoteNow that I think about it, maybe instead of a "do I pass?" thread, it would be more beneficial to have a thread titled "what can I do to look more feminine?" Or "what can I do to improve my look?" Because when instead presented with the question, "do I pass?", the answer will invariably be a simple "yes" or "no"... which is not nearly as helpful in comparison.
You took the words right out of my mouth on this one (and I notice that others agree too). There is a danger that this thread is toxic in nature either because of the emotional impact of what the poster perceives as negative feedback (or a deafening silence) or because the responders are not being honest in their responses. We know that two individuals have been adversely affected following posts on this thread but don't know how many more have had similar feelings.
Please can we therefore ask the administrators to consider retitling this thread along the lines suggested?
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 24, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
If some people feel that silence is tantamount to criticism, then maybe this thread shouldn't exist. Or we could let this thread degenerate into a chorus of cheers and affirmations, telling people that they pass regardless. Or just tell everyone that they have "potential". /shrug
That is not what I meant :)
I meant basically what you said further down, people will tell you what they think you want to hear. I want to know the hard stuff to hear. I don't know what I don't know...and on the flip side how many girls are far to hard on themselves.
Liz
Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be better to post pics like a half or full body shot like the ones Barbie has been posting, just to get a better view of the overall presentation? The face selfies from the over-top angle gives a very fishbowl appearance while hiding and reducing the lower chin while taking it from down-up angle makes the chin and jaw look huge.
Also, Karlie Ann and Elizabeth K, give hrt some time, it takes a while for things to actually be noticeable. I normally don't post pictures and I still live fully as a male (although constant male fail has been a issue at work) I can tell you that after a year and a half on hrt, things have changed quite a bit, especially as someone who started off hyper masculine and thought that there was no chance of passing. (I can post what I used to look like and me at 15 months hrt if you like)
Also, I have admit that I totally understand and agree on Emily's honesty. I understand that some women want to be told they are passable even though they may not be at the moment. I feel like in support spaces like this, some women are overly nice and aren't 100% honest in an effort to cheerlead each other. Honestly, you could take a 100 pictures and get a 100 different responses. I myself prefer someone to be brutally honest but that's just me.
Quote from: winterkat on October 25, 2016, 06:49:50 AM
Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be better to post pics like a half or full body shot like the ones Barbie has been posting, just to get a better view of the overall presentation? The face selfies from the over-top angle gives a very fishbowl appearance while hiding and reducing the lower chin while taking it from down-up angle makes the chin and jaw look huge.
Also, Karlie Ann and Elizabeth K, give hrt some time, it takes a while for things to actually be noticeable. I normally don't post pictures and I still live fully as a male (although constant male fail has been a issue at work) I can tell you that after a year and a half on hrt, things have changed quite a bit, especially as someone who started off hyper masculine and thought that there was no chance of passing. (I can post what I used to look like and me at 15 months hrt if you like)
Also, I have admit that I totally understand and agree on Emily's honesty. I understand that some women want to be told they are passable even though they may not be at the moment. I feel like in support spaces like this, some women are overly nice and aren't 100% honest in an effort to cheerlead each other. Honestly, you could take a 100 pictures and get a 100 different responses. I myself prefer someone to be brutally honest but that's just me.
Patience...yes I need plenty more of that... I have had a couple of people be honest with me and both these people had a far better opinion than I did. But I think we tend to be out own worst critics...I see so many women putting themselves down(me included) when there really is no need...honesty for me is better and I agree, you can't tell much from PIC such as my Avatar Pic. I need some proper full length shots taken before anyone could really tell me if I could or couldn't pass and again as you pointed out this is subjective...I guess male fail is considered a very good sign that you or can pass? If you feel comfortable about posting pics I would love to see some.
Liz
Quote from: winterkat on October 25, 2016, 06:49:50 AM
Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be better to post pics like a half or full body shot like the ones Barbie has been posting, just to get a better view of the overall presentation? The face selfies from the over-top angle gives a very fishbowl appearance while hiding and reducing the lower chin while taking it from down-up angle makes the chin and jaw look huge.
Again, I think this thread should be for fun and entertainment with some advice and encouragement.
It is misleading to believe that you can evaluate whether one can pass based on a few snapshots.
Therefore, I think assertive statements need to be avoided here.
Most cis-women at my age here do not take care of their beauty. Even I wear better than most of the college girl students I teach. Both men and women mostly praises my fashion sense and women like to give me advice on fashion and makeup.
Anyway, a kind of self video clip taken last year. Better than photos? I am not quite sure.
You also can see how college students at my university wear. The video clip is boring, as I am not any kind of video producer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHOoOfpInw
Cheers!
barbie~~
So, as the person whose post kicked off the discussion...(oops)...
I don't mind helpful criticism. I'm not looking for, wow, you look great you go girl. We have a thread for that. But I'm also not looking for No you don't pass too bad so sad. The criticism put forth in this thread is...harsh. Constructive criticism is better, like, your nose is big but you can offset it by doing this. Or your hairstyle isn't working, try this. In my case, more hormones, lose weight, maybe contouring, I don't know. But at least leave some hope - your features are masculine but you can make them more feminine by...whatever...and then you'll at least look like a masculine woman instead of a man in a dress.
Just my thoughts. I'm back on the hormones, because as we all know, it's impossible to stop when it's what you really want. So tell me what I can do to pass better, not that I don't, because in the end that's where I'm headed.
What the hell :) ... :
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Yes, you can. Well done.
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Definitely yes !!
Actually to quite honest at first i thought you were a cis woman having a lend of us :)
Quote from: markie on October 26, 2016, 04:51:48 AMDefinitely yes !!
That's very sweet of you, but I hope you'll forgive me if I take it with a wee pinch of salt!
Quote from: ElizabethK on October 25, 2016, 03:23:58 PM
Patience...yes I need plenty more of that... I have had a couple of people be honest with me and both these people had a far better opinion than I did. But I think we tend to be out own worst critics...I see so many women putting themselves down(me included) when there really is no need...honesty for me is better and I agree, you can't tell much from PIC such as my Avatar Pic. I need some proper full length shots taken before anyone could really tell me if I could or couldn't pass and again as you pointed out this is subjective...I guess male fail is considered a very good sign that you or can pass? If you feel comfortable about posting pics I would love to see some.
Liz
I totally agree, we tend to be our own worst critics (I personally can't stand looking at the mirror sometimes) and tend to see ourselves in a harsher light than others might. When you feel ready to post full length shots, I would love to see them. And honestly, pictures rarely tell the whole picture anyway. I've seen some really drab looking cis female friends look like super models on their facebook photos just because of lighting, angles, make-up, etc. I've also seen some friends who are gorgeous in person but in their photos, they look so awful, it's shocking. Anyway, I think that with time on hrt, you would be surprised as I was. Although I don't think I'm passable or anything, I do feel so much better about myself even if I never plan on socially transitioning.
This is pic of me 12 years ago, in my early 20's. (sorry, it's a bit small since it was a photo a friend texted me.) I'm the one in the middle without my face blacked out :laugh:
http://imgur.com/EFJrNwc
This is me pre-hrt about 3 years ago.
http://imgur.com/UpVhxgy
Taken last month, not the best photo but it's almost a full shot. This is me male mode I guess?
http://imgur.com/TBlINAN
Quote from: barbie on October 25, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
Again, I think this thread should be for fun and entertainment with some advice and encouragement.
It is misleading to believe that you can evaluate whether one can pass based on a few snapshots.
Therefore, I think assertive statements need to be avoided here.
Most cis-women at my age here do not take care of their beauty. Even I wear better than most of the college girl students I teach. Both men and women mostly praises my fashion sense and women like to give me advice on fashion and makeup.
Anyway, a kind of self video clip taken last year. Better than photos? I am not quite sure.
You also can see how college students at my university wear. The video clip is boring, as I am not any kind of video producer.
Cheers!
barbie~~
By the way, just wanted to say that I love your style, look, and wished that I had legs like yours that seem to go on forever!
Quote from: Karlie Ann on October 25, 2016, 06:22:51 PM
So, as the person whose post kicked off the discussion...(oops)...
I don't mind helpful criticism. I'm not looking for, wow, you look great you go girl. We have a thread for that. But I'm also not looking for No you don't pass too bad so sad. The criticism put forth in this thread is...harsh. Constructive criticism is better, like, your nose is big but you can offset it by doing this. Or your hairstyle isn't working, try this. In my case, more hormones, lose weight, maybe contouring, I don't know. But at least leave some hope - your features are masculine but you can make them more feminine by...whatever...and then you'll at least look like a masculine woman instead of a man in a dress.
Just my thoughts. I'm back on the hormones, because as we all know, it's impossible to stop when it's what you really want. So tell me what I can do to pass better, not that I don't, because in the end that's where I'm headed.
Well, even though people are questioning this thread, I think you deserve a response to your post. As I posted before, in pic #2 you pass, you like nice. In the "bad angle" pic you posted --- BTW you get 10 brave points for doing that --- :) you look different. Based on pic #3, my suggestion would be longer hair with much more volume. Try it, see what it looks like! Since you have been on HRT such a short time, be patient. Best wishes sweetie. :)
Quote from: winterkat on October 26, 2016, 11:46:43 AM
I totally agree, we tend to be our own worst critics (I personally can't stand looking at the mirror sometimes) and tend to see ourselves in a harsher light than others might. When you feel ready to post full length shots, I would love to see them. And honestly, pictures rarely tell the whole picture anyway. I've seen some really drab looking cis female friends look like super models on their facebook photos just because of lighting, angles, make-up, etc. I've also seen some friends who are gorgeous in person but in their photos, they look so awful, it's shocking. Anyway, I think that with time on hrt, you would be surprised as I was. Although I don't think I'm passable or anything, I do feel so much better about myself even if I never plan on socially transitioning.
This is pic of me 12 years ago, in my early 20's. (sorry, it's a bit small since it was a photo a friend texted me.) I'm the one in the middle without my face blacked out :laugh:
http://imgur.com/EFJrNwc
This is me pre-hrt about 3 years ago.
http://imgur.com/UpVhxgy
Taken last month, not the best photo but it's almost a full shot. This is me male mode I guess?
http://imgur.com/TBlINAN
I went to check out your photo's but I just get as message saying I have made a wrong turn
Liz
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on October 24, 2016, 02:50:09 PM
You doesn't pass because of your masculine facial features. Males do often have bigger noses than females in addition to more brow bridge and sharper edges in the face. Shoulders and height might also affect the passing. You do also have very intense makeup around your eyes including a special stare that also do passing harder. It seems like you're hiding something. Showing your teeth when you're smiling and smiling because of you're happy instead of staging it may make you appear more feminine instead. Try to relax and act natural, then people wouldn't read you as a person who tries to hide something or staging something. FFS may be the solution in order to pass as a cis woman. Without it, it would be nearly impossible to pass 110%. People do probably read you as non-cis.
Nobody has ever told me I have a "special stare" before! Thanks for the feedback, I had an FFS consultation yesterday and the surgeon did mention my brow, hairline and jaw as areas we could improve (I totally agree). He did however say he loved my nose and smile which is a nice thing to hear!
I also totally agree that half of 'passing' is confidence and I'm getting much better in that regard.
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Quote from: ElizabethK on October 27, 2016, 02:55:43 AM
I went to check out your photo's but I just get as message saying I have made a wrong turn
Liz
Sorry Liz, try these.
This is pic of me 12 years ago, in my early 20's (middle). Photo is small since it was texted to me.
http://imgur.com/icQCeIL
Pre-hrt about 3 years ago.
http://imgur.com/yryL0Jt
15 months on hrt still living and presenting male with no plans on socially transitioning.
http://imgur.com/54YVF8e
I just wanted to show you how masculine my initial starting point was and how much hrt has softened some of those features, as subtle as they may be. I still have many issues regarding physical traits and plan on getting ffs next year. So, you know. We all have our personal hang ups. I just hope that you don't see you at the moment, but you in a year, 5 years, 10 years, etc.
Also, I don't want to mention any names but I remember seeing a trans woman here that definitely did not look like she passed in her avatar photo but when I watched her youtube channel, I was shocked! She was talking about how many years shes been on hrt (no surgery what so ever) and some of the changes shes noticed physically. She was standing in the middle of her room just wearing a tank top, shorts, minimal make up, and explaining some of the things she's noticed. Wow, she passed 110%
Holy moly you make and incredibly handsome sophisticated man in this picture: http://imgur.com/54YVF8e
In this you look like a CIS female. Someone else said it before, good looking men tend to make good looking women.
http://imgur.com/54YVF8e
I can only dream HRT has such a feminizing effect on me.
Quote from: rebeccal on October 26, 2016, 10:41:13 AM
That's very sweet of you, but I hope you'll forgive me if I take it with a wee pinch of salt!
Well make that a microscopic grain then ....phone cameras take pretty raw
Pictures ....you look very good from all those angles ...if you don't mind have you had ffs ? ....I'd kill to look half as good as you ....matter fact all the women here rock....thanks for sharing it gives hope ...where there was none
Quote from: Lilliana on October 27, 2016, 07:38:47 AM
Holy moly you make and incredibly handsome sophisticated man in this picture: http://imgur.com/54YVF8e
In this you look like a CIS female. Someone else said it before, good looking men tend to make good looking women.
http://imgur.com/54YVF8e
I can only dream HRT has such a feminizing effect on me.
Wow, thank you Lilliana! I'm sure after a year or so on HRT, you will be told the same thing!
And I do have to admit, I don't consider my former self to be handsome and I whenever I look at my reflection, I just see a guy. So, thank you so much for those kind words, you really made my day!
So with all this talk about passing/not passing, HRT and FFS I thought I'd post a handful of random pics from the last 2 weeks or so. I'm 42yo and will be 7mths HRT on the 31st.
I don't pass except maybe at a distance. I'll probably end up looking into FFS after 1yr+ on hormones. I have been fairly lucky body wise, I have hips, and I'm tall but not terribly so (5'9-3/4'' last time I measured).
I have started getting Maam'd a bit more in last month or so, which makes me extremely happy regardless.
I will starting presenting full-time at work on Nov 8th.. have a ton of shopping to do for winter clothes over the next week eeeep!
Tips and constructive criticism are welcome and expected!
Full Album (lotta random images here many without makeup)
http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW (http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW)
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-Fara
Quote from: GiaFarrell on October 28, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
So with all this talk about passing/not passing, HRT and FFS I thought I'd post a handful of random pics from the last 2 weeks or so. I'm 42yo and will be 7mths HRT on the 31st.
I don't pass except maybe at a distance. I'll probably end up looking into FFS after 1yr+ on hormones. I have been fairly lucky body wise, I have hips, and I'm tall but not terribly so (5'9-3/4'' last time I measured).
I have started getting Maam'd a bit more in last month or so, which makes me extremely happy regardless.
I will starting presenting full-time at work on Nov 8th.. have a ton of shopping to do for winter clothes over the next week eeeep!
Tips and constructive criticism are welcome and expected!
Full Album (lotta random images here many without makeup)
http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW (http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwZiDWQA.jpg&hash=ab4f3aaaef00bce411e9eb35df8054f2bde256ff)
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-Fara
Fara,
I'm at a very similar stage - 7.5mths HRT - and have made very similar experiences lately. You are very hard on yourself and besides your facial hair in some of the pictures you totally pass as female IMO. I would not rush into ffs since you have a very cute feminine face. You will see your male self in the mirror much longer than strangers because you are so used to it.
I totally love the picture with your (???) Baby and I'm certain if somebody sees you like that they would never guess that you're not the mum of that cute baby.
Hugs
Jessica
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Quote from: GiaFarrell on October 28, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
So with all this talk about passing/not passing, HRT and FFS I thought I'd post a handful of random pics from the last 2 weeks or so. I'm 42yo and will be 7mths HRT on the 31st.
I don't pass except maybe at a distance. I'll probably end up looking into FFS after 1yr+ on hormones. I have been fairly lucky body wise, I have hips, and I'm tall but not terribly so (5'9-3/4'' last time I measured).
I have started getting Maam'd a bit more in last month or so, which makes me extremely happy regardless.
I will starting presenting full-time at work on Nov 8th.. have a ton of shopping to do for winter clothes over the next week eeeep!
Tips and constructive criticism are welcome and expected!
Full Album (lotta random images here many without makeup)
http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW (http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwZiDWQA.jpg&hash=ab4f3aaaef00bce411e9eb35df8054f2bde256ff)
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-Fara
The brow bridge and nose do passing harder. But I think it's a very smart decision that you wants to wait some years before undergoing FFS. So the HRT can work properly first. :) If I stand close enough, you wouldn't pass as cis. But I thinks people do understand that you presents yourself as female.
Quote from: GiaFarrell on October 28, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
So with all this talk about passing/not passing, HRT and FFS I thought I'd post a handful of random pics from the last 2 weeks or so. I'm 42yo and will be 7mths HRT on the 31st.
I don't pass except maybe at a distance. I'll probably end up looking into FFS after 1yr+ on hormones. I have been fairly lucky body wise, I have hips, and I'm tall but not terribly so (5'9-3/4'' last time I measured).
I have started getting Maam'd a bit more in last month or so, which makes me extremely happy regardless.
I will starting presenting full-time at work on Nov 8th.. have a ton of shopping to do for winter clothes over the next week eeeep!
Tips and constructive criticism are welcome and expected!
Full Album (lotta random images here many without makeup)
http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW (http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwZiDWQA.jpg&hash=ab4f3aaaef00bce411e9eb35df8054f2bde256ff)
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-Fara
In most of your pics, you look androgynous. The middle one in the second row is all femme, though.
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuq4wJiU.jpg&hash=db18285dadba9db93326cdc6d5b51ddba15aaf69)
Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuq4wJiU.jpg&hash=db18285dadba9db93326cdc6d5b51ddba15aaf69)
I would indeed Rachel... And you are looking beautiful today!!! We share the same attitude about "passing" .... To be seen as female is all that is truly needed....
Onward we go!!!
Ashley :)
Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuq4wJiU.jpg&hash=db18285dadba9db93326cdc6d5b51ddba15aaf69)
Hi Rachel, I like your attitude! I'll be 65 in another 4 years, hope I look as good as you do!
Charley Ann
Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuq4wJiU.jpg&hash=db18285dadba9db93326cdc6d5b51ddba15aaf69)
Yes. Thank you for posting, it's inspiring for many. The eyes, the eye brows, cheek bones, hair, at 65 you look fantastic. To be honest, you look much younger.
finally thought i looked cute enough to warrant a body pic. got a new corset :3
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Quote from: markie on October 27, 2016, 08:08:27 AM...thanks for sharing it gives hope ...where there was none
Oh bless. That's a whole bunch of really kind and flattering things right there - please accept my heartfelt thanks.
OK - answering your first question is probably going to get me in trouble somewhat; I must admit that it's been some time since I came on here regularly (even to lurk) and I've noticed that the different sub-forums are a bit stricter than they used to be - so here goes... I'm not planning any TS-related ops. My condition is and always has been more than strict CD/TV (I've always known part of me was female since I was about 5, and while I made the decision not to transition surgically in my teens, a lot of secret soul-searching went on for years to arrive at that choice). The new terms for categorising our conditions seem to be flying in thick and fast these days (which in some cases may not necessarily be a good thing), but I guess I fall into "genderfluid" (of the bi-gendered rather than non-binary variety).
So, long story short - no FFS for me in answer to your question. I might be fortunate in terms of some aspects of my facial bone structure, but mainly it's about what I've learned over the years regarding makeup/hair/outfit ensembles. For example, you can see that the wig I chose has a very long fringe (I think the term is "bangs" in the US?) - and I picked that style for a very specific reason (other than that I like it a lot... ;) ) - namely that the long fringe goes a long way towards diffusing/masking the appearance of the brow ridge, and that in turn can be enhanced by using the right combination of highlighter, concealer and contouring around the upper nose and forehead. I use a similar technique on the rest of my nose (which has a very obvious and un-set break in it's natural state), cheeks and jawline. Clothes-wise, people won't usually see me in anything other than high-necks (with scarves and chokers if necessary) with long sleeves - and one thing I'm definitely fortunate with is that I have small hands for a genetic guy. All the resources that helped me learn how to do this are online, and I guess the overriding factor is to use any technique that helps to draw the eye away from obvious giveaways.
So - these things being the case, I probably posted in the wrong forum and if anyone's upset by that I'm happy to move or delete it. I really hope that what you said about giving hope is true (given that I'm physically un-altered), and wonder if it does have some use here...
Loads of love, B.x
Quote from: SoraKat on October 28, 2016, 10:32:18 PM
finally thought i looked cute enough to warrant a body pic. got a new corset :3
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Woah! You look real good! But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]
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Quote from: GiaFarrell on October 28, 2016, 09:04:07 AMTips and constructive criticism are welcome and expected!
You've got great cheeks, a lovely smile, and very kind but playful eyes. Awesome hair!
If you want to be gendered female consistently (approaching 100%), you'll need to get rid of your facial hair permanently and get your voice in order if you haven't done these things already already. And I think you'd be a great candidate for facial surgery -- your eyes get occluded by your brow and nose (which your hair helps to hide, but it's apparent in the picture in the lower left corner), and your chin and jaw are too broad and square.
I'd ditch the spaghetti straps, they don't help your shoulders or chest. The rest of your fashion sense works, and I especially like the effect your U-necks create. It's all very sensible and age appropriate.
If you're not up to a B-cup after 2 years on HRT, you might want to consider BAS, unless you're in no rush.
Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuq4wJiU.jpg&hash=db18285dadba9db93326cdc6d5b51ddba15aaf69)
Wow you look great! I'm 62 and still trying to figure this out for myself. I could never look as lovely as you but as others have said, you give me hope!
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Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 28, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
Woah! You look real good! But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]
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You are definitely up to the challenge. Those jeans fit very well. Cute butt.[emoji5]
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Quote from: GiaFarrell on October 28, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
So with all this talk about passing/not passing, HRT and FFS I thought I'd post a handful of random pics from the last 2 weeks or so. I'm 42yo and will be 7mths HRT on the 31st.
Fara,
Yes. You look androgynous to my eyes based on those photos.
I am not quite sure about the culture there, but here women should keep their hair tidy. The society does not ask it, but most women are very picky about their hair. In women's appearance, the hair style is the most critical.
barbie~~
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 28, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]
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Amanda,
Yes. You look like a cute girl to my eyes based on those photos.
I just notice some wrinkles in your forehead. It is not so much critical, but you can reduce them by taking Botox. It is not expensive, with virtually no side effect. You may visit a dermatologist's office.
barbie~~
Quote from: SoraKat on October 28, 2016, 10:32:18 PM
finally thought i looked cute enough to warrant a body pic. got a new corset :3
The quality of the photo is not so good. And you can take care of the background when taking photos.
barbie~~
Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
Why not?
Most women at your age do not take care of their appearance.
barbie~~
Quote from: rebeccal on October 25, 2016, 09:53:26 PM
What the hell :) ... :
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The quality of the photos is poor.
Just curious whether dark eye makeup is common there.
Here in my country, many women wear dark eye makeup, but my wife seldom does.
Fashionable women here can wear eye makeup matched well with other facial makeups, and even smokey eye makeup does not look so much bold.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on October 29, 2016, 11:05:03 AM
The quality of the photo is not so good. And you can take care of the background when taking photos.
barbie~~
i'm not asking if my camera or bathroom pass :/ thanks though? i know my phones a potato and the only mirror i own is in my bathroom. if you must know, the toilet is permenantly stained for whatever reason, and i dont intend to replace it because i dont intend to live in this apartment forever and have more important things to spend money on.
thanks for the constructive criticism i guess?
edit ... holding back.
You look great its amazing, hope i look like that at 65...are you from the england or some cold climate .?....people from those areas usally have great skin because they haven't been fried by the uv in places like aus
I wore makeup, this is rare for me. I find makeup disgusting. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fm2NGWpA.jpg&hash=39354cfde65ee247506e10046ce18f46377b7805)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTN0tqDE.jpg&hash=29520bcf9f26d7079f15f852727d07f7bedfff28)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FN07VoF6.jpg&hash=cf2351822628c8e86a97f74fb31717782800e26b) But i liked it just a little.
A little over three months on hormones now. My waist got smaller, my ass bigger, had 4cm (1.57 inches) of breast growth which seems to be fine. People say my face is changing, but I feel that is mostly because of the makeup I use. I do note however, that I seem to pass more than I used to
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It is rainy and becomes a little bit chilly. I chose the boots in the morning. The dress is so much comfortable and I wear it nearly everyday (I have another one with a slightly different color).
Yes. I teach while wearing like this. Today, the students were a little bit noisy, suggesting that they consider me as a kind of feminine person. In this case, I have to show my masculinity to calm them, but I didn't today.
Cheers!
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barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on October 31, 2016, 03:49:22 AM
It is rainy and becomes a little bit chilly. I chose the boots in the morning. The dress is so much comfortable and I wear it nearly everyday (I have another one with a slightly different color).
You're beautiful
Quote from: GiaFarrell on October 28, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
Full Album (lotta random images here many without makeup)
http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW (http://imgur.com/a/qXIOW)
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-Fara
I agree with the folks that say some of the images are androgynous. But the middle center one is DEFINITELY femme, and very gorgeous, too. :)
Quote from: - Rachel - on October 28, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
I dislike the term and concept of 'passing' and prefer 'to be read as female'. So, that said, I'm feeling very dysphoric and old at 65 today, so I put on a touch of makeup and took this pic. Would you read me as a woman?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fuq4wJiU.jpg&hash=db18285dadba9db93326cdc6d5b51ddba15aaf69)
If I may say, you look mighty fine, and I'd never guess your age. You absolutely read as female to me.
Quote from: SoraKat on October 28, 2016, 10:32:18 PM
finally thought i looked cute enough to warrant a body pic. got a new corset :3
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Love the corset! You look great here, and very much like the punk/goth chicks I used to go clubbing with, before my disability made that not very feasible. :)
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 28, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
Woah! You look real good! But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]
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... okay, I have to say that second photo screams urban fantasy heroine. The covers for that genre are notorious for the pose you've managed (twisting the spine to show both breasts and butt, usually with weapons in hand. Love it.
For me, I'd never think you were anything but a cis woman based on this last couple photos.
Quote from: Vervain on October 31, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
... okay, I have to say that second photo screams urban fantasy heroine. The covers for that genre are notorious for the pose you've managed (twisting the spine to show both breasts and butt, usually with weapons in hand. Love it.
For me, I'd never think you were anything but a cis woman based on this last couple photos.
Thank you sooo much! I literally leaped when I read that! [emoji2].
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Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
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Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
I have to say that I had never heard of the forehead differences between men and women until I came here. I was actively trying to see if I could spot a typical female forehead at the mall the other day( I know too much time on my hands) and gave up...the variation was huge.
I cannot comment on anything other than the photo I see...I think you have great eyes and lovely hair, you face screams woman at me...don't really see any traces of males unless I look really hard at your nose and even then it doesn't really say male. When I look at you after nit picking your photo, I see all woman!!
Liz
Looks like we have the same hairline girl. I don't think yours gives you away at all. You are all girl in those pictures.
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Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
Your coming along but a different hairstyle might be a good idea. The current one isn't the best fit for your facial shape and forehead. Hugs
Mariah
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Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 01, 2016, 03:47:54 PM
Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
I think you look great Rachel :icon_chick: Bit of a smile couldn't hurt though
Hugs
Rachel, you look fantastic. I've seen your whole timeline on ->-bleeped-<- and you've really really done well!!! I'm jealous! :)
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Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
For me you doesn't pass. I the know forehead is a bit tricky. But the forehead it self doesn't necessary spoil the passing, but rather the hairline. As long you have a feminine hairline or a bang to cover it up, you would be fine. The tricky thing is your hairline. It looks a bit masculine because the receding part of it. The brow bridge and the sharp edges at your nose is slightly masculine, and perhaps that makes passing harder. People usually doesn't think which features that make a face female or male, but they do often unconsciously read a face female or male. That do also include strangers you meets at the street.
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^ This picture do illustrate a example of how the differences between the male and female hairline may be.
PS! Receding hairline doesn't mean you're going bald. People who keeps their hair their whole life may have a receding hairline too, because of the testosterone in their bodies.
Out for lunch last weekend. No makeup and feeling good.
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Woah! You look real good! But now we're posting body shots?!? The gauntlet has been thrown and I accept your challenge! [emoji12]
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Amanda, You have that girl next door look. Adorable!
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So I went and got my hair changed so that I have bangs. I was afraid I was getting misgendered by having too much of my forehead showing. People must have thought I had a severe case of moobs.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on November 02, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
I the know forehead is a bit tricky. As long you have a feminine hairline or a bang to cover it up, you would be fine.
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^ This picture do illustrate a example of how the differences between the male and female hairline may be.
PS! Receding hairline doesn't mean you're going bald. People who keeps their hair their whole life may have a receding hairline too, because of the testosterone in their bodies.
Sebby never thinks I pass but screw cis normativity anyway cis-passing isn't always the end-all goal of life. Sometimes masculine features can add beauty or make someone intriguing or interesting even if they don't pass 100%.
Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 02, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Sebby never thinks I pass but screw cis normativity anyway cis-passing isn't always the end-all goal of life. Sometimes masculine features can add beauty or make someone intriguing or interesting even if they don't pass 100%.
Hi Rachel...
These are wise words for us all... I am a firm believer that passing as female is what truly matters... Cis or Trans female matters not .... Worrying about passing 100% 24/7 as a cis woman ... Something we are not... Can turn what is an amazing journey into a path to misery ... It's funny, sometimes I look at the models in fashion magazines and I could swear that half of them are Trans... Anyway.... I think you look gorgeous girlfriend!!!!
Onward we go!!!
Ashley :)
I have no idea what he thinks about me nor do I really care. I've been living my life as Jess 24/7 for 17 months and have not had any issues. That is the real life test. I am a woman and I get treated as a woman. CIS or trans I don't care how someone views me because I am a woman. You look great Rachel and I love your attitude. We are unique human beings and we are beautiful.
Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 02, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Sebby never thinks I pass but screw cis normativity anyway cis-passing isn't always the end-all goal of life. Sometimes masculine features can add beauty or make someone intriguing or interesting even if they don't pass 100%.
Quote from: tgirlamc on November 02, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
Hi Rachel...
These are wise words for us all... I am a firm believer that passing as female is what truly matters... Cis or Trans female matters not .... Worrying about passing 100% 24/7 as a cis woman ... Something we are not... Can turn what is an amazing journey into a path to misery ... It's funny, sometimes I look at the models in fashion magazines and I could swear that half of them are Trans... Anyway.... I think you look gorgeous girlfriend!!!!
Onward we go!!!
Ashley :)
I agree.
Amanda, you're rocking all girl as usual. :)
Yuusui, you look a bit like my Aunt Stephanie. Is that a drink at Sunday brunch? She loves Sunday brunch and a cocktail! ;D
Quote from: tgirlamc on November 02, 2016, 07:36:07 PMI am a firm believer that passing as female is what truly matters... Cis or Trans female matters not .... Worrying about passing 100% 24/7 as a cis woman ... Something we are not... Can turn what is an amazing journey into a path to misery
This is nicely put, and true in very important ways, but I don't think it's entirely accurate.
Out in the big bad world, there are those who will treat you differently if you get clocked. And by "differently" I mean "not as a woman." This is the case even with good, well-meaning people. But it's still a hell of a lot better than getting gendered as a cis male.
And sure, the way cis people organize their categories are, in many respects, flat out wrong, but that's still the reality we with have to deal with nonetheless. It's a different experience not getting clocked for five, ten, fifteen years and counting. Whether that's ultimately a "better" experience or not depends on each person's truth and self understanding.
If you have the opportunity (not all of us do) to correct certain features so as not to get clocked, I highly recommend taking them.
Whether or not the opportunity is available, though, getting read as "female" in the broader sense is still absolutely vital. And that really doesn't have so much to do with physicality as it does with "spirit" or consciousness or personality, what have you. All the surgeries in the world won't mean diddly-squat without this interior alignment and adjustment, and in the end that *is* what will be most important. Which ultimately comes out, I think, primarily through voice. I don't mean pitch or timbre or resonance, either, but saying what needs to be said out of compassion and empathy and presence and just being in relationships. (In this case, hugs count as "voice" as far as I'm concerned.)
We focus so much on our physical features (and rightly so, given our materialistic world) but there's very little discussion, I think, on what "passing" means in terms of socialization and ways of interacting. Which isn't just a matter of being nice -- as women we are more than capable of being cruel, but I do think even this has a different inflection in our culture.
It's the interior work -- not just narcissistic or solipsistic "be yourself" stuff -- that I think makes this a truly amazing journey. In part because this will always be ongoing, long after the knives are put away.
Quote from: Naomi71 on October 31, 2016, 04:58:14 AM
You're beautiful
Thanks, Naomi.
But I sometimes do not pass.
I am now visiting San Diego. Yesterday I explored the city a little bit.
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As I seldom saw any woman wearing a skirt in Los Angeles and San Diego, I picked up short pants with a t-shirt, hoping that I look a little bit dull like other ordinary women here. But at the restaurant for our dinner, I saw a few ladies wearing skirt. I guess they are dating with men. I decided to wear skirt again tomorrow.
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Regarding passing, while I drove from LA to San Diego, I stopped at a convenient store. Of course, I was tired from the 10 hour flight trip and did not wear any makeup. The cashier, a black young man at the store annoyingly called me Sir. Not just once, but twice. It was OK to me, but it was a very rare case to me.
The opposite happened during my flight from Seoul to LA. A young girl at her 20s was sitting beside me, and the female flight attendant annoyingly called her as Sir. Not just once, but more than 3 times.
You know what I mean here regarding passing. The young girl did not show any reaction to it.
Cheers!
barbie~~
Today I presented for the conference at San Diego, and had lunch in the downtown.
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barbie~~
Dear Lord! Barbie, You are so tall and gorgeous!
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Passing? I always feel like my forehead gives me away. Not that it matters with my voice anyway lol.
I believe these are not the best pics. They are too edited. That said, you do have some sharp edges in your face. Whether it affects your passing in real life I can't say, as these pics are honestly not the best IMO, besides being super close-up. However, I do have some advice for you: change the makeup style. It's too heavy and actually brings out the sharp edges of your face more. Go for a lighter eyeshadow, mascara, slightly rosy/pink blush as you have fair skin, and a lipgloss. You don't need more. That's it. Hope everything goes well for ya!
Quote from: Aurorasky on November 05, 2016, 06:12:50 AM
I believe these are not the best pics. They are too edited. That said, you do have some sharp edges in your face. Whether it affects your passing in real life I can't say, as these pics are honestly not the best IMO, besides being super close-up. However, I do have some advice for you: change the makeup style. It's too heavy and actually brings out the sharp edges of your face more. Go for a lighter eyeshadow, mascara, slightly rosy/pink blush as you have fair skin, and a lipgloss. You don't need more. That's it. Hope everything goes well for ya!
I'm agree.
This is me today. I'm posting because I have no idea what I look like anymore. Do I just look like a regular guy? Or do you think I look remotely feminine ?
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Makeup lady! Then yes! Thin jaw and long hair.... you're more than half way there! Women don't look like women until they put on their faces... no woman wakes up as they are seen in public
Hi Harley Quinn are you responding to me? If not pardon my response lol. My other Instagram pics I have make up on but they were 6 mo th ago before the hrt. I'm not taking androgen blockers just microgynon.
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This is me today. I'm posting because I have no idea what I look like anymore. Do I just look like a regular guy? Or do you think I look remotely feminine ?
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Lady.. you're closer than most.. girls don't wake up girls. We all have the same issues... that's why us ladies have makeup. CIS and T... how we get ready is the "feminine mystique".
That being said, go for the gusto!
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I don't leave mine up long but I use myself because I won't share a photo that isn't mine. That's me with and without
An amazing transformation.
You look definately all woman. Most people think I look like a regular guy...
Crikes you look kind of like a normal guy without make up?
My only point being, that no woman looks like a woman when they wake up. Unless you are taking into account that women are pale, and have blue veins everywhere. I've had scars show up out of nowhere. It's part of the plight. It's all how all women present themselves to the world. Women are pale, weak jawed, and have flaws that we all keep hidden. That's the mystery that is woman.
And that's a before and after within 2 weeks of each other.... I "Have To" put on my face... so chill out baby girl! And same for all the young ladies... I hate seeing us so worried about how we look without our makeup... no girl goes without makeup... ever!
I would love to pass without makeup. Or at least minimal amounts of it. I tried many types and they all are itchy. Top row is no makeup, only "Blistex Lip Vibrance" chapstick. I think the color light I used in the top row helped my natural glow. I think I hadn't shaved in a few days in those picts.
Second row is full makeup, night lighting. (minimal lip color) I have been trying contouring for my nose to make it look less crooked and broken. I need to also work on my lips, they are so thin even after 1 year+ on E and 6 month on blockers. Will the HRT ever puff them out any?
The bottom 2 picts are a different type of make up. Also trying to define the lips some. I need TIPS on lips, anyone know any.
Last the pict on the bottom right is "guy mode" daylight. Everything scrubbed off! Un brushed hair...
Should I just stay in "guy mode" until HRT has more time to work its magic? I don't feel like I would pass as a girl yet. Any tips or suggestions, other than surgery (can't afford that yet) to help me pass as a girl? Which row is closest to passing? I am a mess I guess. lol
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Thanks for any input!
-Jade
:-*
@harleyquinn - hope u didn't take my post the wrong way. I think you look great as a woman. I would never of thought you were a guy.
@jade I think you look fantastic in your pictures. Though is always good to see pictures in proper lighting conditions. There are loads of Instagram feeds that specialize in makeup tutorials.
Quote from: Joanne Feliz on November 06, 2016, 03:41:23 AM
@harleyquinn - hope u didn't take my post the wrong way. I think you look great as a woman. I would never of thought you were a guy.
@jade I think you look fantastic in your pictures. Though is always good to see pictures in proper lighting conditions. There are loads of Instagram feeds that specialize in makeup tutorials.
Wow, you are too nice ;) Since it is winter now and I am a bit Vampiric, I will mostly be seen after dark in low light settings so thats why I was trying to get the contouring down. Shadows at night play havoc with my "male" features and I am trying to smooth it out. I do glow when wearing red or pink, day or night. I never used to like those colors, starting to grow on me :)
-Jade
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@I Am Jess; You look like my stepsister, a LOT! Could be a stunt double. :D
@RachelsMantra; I always find you attractive. There is a glow about you. Or maybe its your eyes :o To me you pass, even in ones with sharp edges. Are these pictures modified with a filter or is that actual makeup?
@Yuusui; Nice, I see you as a lady . I wouldn't even question it.
@Barbie; Looking great as usual Barbie. Did you change your avatar this week? ;) It looks like one I saw months ago, lol.
@Joanne Feliz, Yeah, thin out the eyebrows, get your hair a bit longer. Your face shape and eyes will make you look lovely once you chisel away the mail hair patterns and do makeup.
@Harley Quinn, Loving your smile and those glasses, pretty. I need glasses but I will look like a doofus, I could never pull it off like you do. :'(
-Jade
Does my body pass?
I just took this body shot, good light too.
I think my body passes no problems, maybe I am delusional. Its so hard to judge myself. What do you think? Maybe my hands/veins look manly? I have been keeping my body covered for the last 4 months, I was getting approached, followed too often. Then, shocking people when they hear my voice or see my face/adams apple. All the Cis girls I know are jealous of my body too, but you know, I like their bods better, I guess I see all the male flaws in myself. My best friend is trying to convince me not to get the trach shave and nose straightened> She says that those flaws make me beautiful and unique. hmm maybe she is just scared that if I get those fixed I will be hotter than her ;) haha jk jk. Girls don't seem to mind or notice the adams apple, but guys spot it instantly. Usually when I am heading out to be seen in public I say to my friends, "
I'm too sexy for my shirt, so sexy it hurts" then I throw on a large shirt or jacket that covers me including my butt. I guess I am not interested in attracting anybody right now. Focusing on me :) Its comfy finally having some cushioning on my bum, but it is a magnet for sure ::)
-Jade :-*
P.S. I was reading another post earlier on breast growth on HRT, and when the most growth happens. A year, 2 years, etc. Some girls were saying that they got more growth after the first and second year or so. CAN I STOP THAT? (i will also ask in that thread) I have B now and only on HRT a little over a year, I could stay a B and be happy. If I grew to C, I would be happy too. Any bigger than that would be ridiculous on my body frame I think.
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@Jade,
If you want to pass without makeup, go for the facial surgery. Plan on it. Trachea shave is a must, as you've already discovered. Rhinoplasty too, and probably brow ridge. Maybe your chin just to be prettier. That said, you'd got a lot of good features already. Your jaw is great, your brow ridge is minimal (though IMO it's still good to have the forehead done in conjunction with rhinoplasty, because our eyes are sooo important, and this can all be combined with a scalp advancement), and you do have a killer bod.
In the meantime, your best photos are in the middle row, and it has entirely to do with how you wear your hair, which flows nicely down the sides making a lovely oval frame for your face; your smile is also more relaxed here. When you part your hair down the middle, or pull it back, it makes your forehead look more square by exposing more of your brow and high hairline.
Don't worry about going to a C cup or even a little beyond. Having more in this department helps to counteract our typically broader shoulders, creating a better sense of bodily proportions.
Finally, and actually most importantly, work on your voice. All of this will do no good if your voice will constantly betray you.
Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 06, 2016, 06:53:12 AM
In the meantime, your best photos are in the middle row, and it has entirely to do with how you wear your hair, which flows nicely down the sides making a lovely oval frame for your face; your smile is also more relaxed here.
Thanks Sophia!
All very interesting and informative. I am planning to get a trach shave for sure. Since I am 42 years old, happily single and spiritual grounded, I don't think making my face "prettier" will be a necessity for me. My body and face do not help me to make money, I use my brain for that and hardly meet face to face with people I do work for. I would love to fix the broken stuff, like I am doing to my teeth. I used to have a nicer smile, but I inherited bad teeth and they are falling apart. That is taking a bunch of my money. :( I wanted Rhinoplasty since I was a teen, after it got broke a few times and I didn't go to the DR. Maybe after the teeth implants are finished, all of them. I am also a transhumanist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism) and hope to someday have a perfect female body built for me and transfer my consciousness into it. Heck if this body is dying I would even hop into a female robot. Dumping money into this old fixer upper may not be the path I choose for my future.
From your observations I gather that I will have to skill up my makeup techniques for now. I am only 1 year 4 months into HRT, My face could soften more as I stay on it. Thanks for the tips on the hair style! Part of my worry of going too big with the breasts is I think they would interfere with building circuit boards and electronics. They already get in the way sometimes lol.
Ahhh the dreaded voice. Yeah well I sound like a demon >:-) so I don't talk much hahahahahaha.
When you say I have a killer bod, part of me feels like you are messing with me. I know you are probably not though, I have to keep it hidden or people trip over themselves... Its too bad places are not looking for models with bags over their heads. I could make $$ lol. ;D
-Jade :-*
Quote from: Jade_404 on November 06, 2016, 03:28:40 AM
I would love to pass without makeup. Or at least minimal amounts of it. I tried many types and they all are itchy. Top row is no makeup, only "Blistex Lip Vibrance" chapstick. I think the color light I used in the top row helped my natural glow. I think I hadn't shaved in a few days in those picts.
Second row is full makeup, night lighting. (minimal lip color) I have been trying contouring for my nose to make it look less crooked and broken. I need to also work on my lips, they are so thin even after 1 year+ on E and 6 month on blockers. Will the HRT ever puff them out any?
The bottom 2 picts are a different type of make up. Also trying to define the lips some. I need TIPS on lips, anyone know any.
Last the pict on the bottom right is "guy mode" daylight. Everything scrubbed off! Un brushed hair...
Should I just stay in "guy mode" until HRT has more time to work its magic? I don't feel like I would pass as a girl yet. Any tips or suggestions, other than surgery (can't afford that yet) to help me pass as a girl? Which row is closest to passing? I am a mess I guess. lol
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Thanks for any input!
-Jade
:-*
Without FFS it would be difficult for you to pass as a cis woman. It would be almost impossible. Even though HRT and makeup have their powers, it would probably not be strong enough to change a whole face. Your body do pass very well, but your face wouldn't pass. Especially not if a person stands very to close you. Males do often have larger noses, ears, brow bridge etc than females. Therefor it's difficult to pass as a cis woman. But strangers can still use right pronouns and names. People do get it when it comes to your own gender even though you doesn't look cis.
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on November 04, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
Dear Lord! Barbie, You are so tall and gorgeous!
Thanks, Amanda.
Yes. I see many tall women here, not to mention tall men.
I am no so much tall (6 feet, 183 cm), but look far taller with high heels.
Fortunately, I see a lot of women wearing high heels in the downtown of San Diego.
Quote from: stephaniec on November 06, 2016, 02:01:16 AM
ditto
Yes. Most of my followers in Facebook are women. They like to comment regarding my fashion and beauty, which is very helpful.
Cheers,
barbie~~
Quote from: Jade_404 on November 06, 2016, 05:35:08 AM
@barbie; Looking great as usual Barbie. Did you change your avatar this week? ;) It looks like one I saw months ago, lol.
Jade,
Yes. That's right. I always declare "I change my avatar every week" below my avatar. That is the same for my Facebook profile and cover photos.
Enjoy your life!
barbie~~
Jade you have a bubble butt... yes... you have a girlish figure!
shouting out to jade_404 , you LOOK like my older sister when she was your age. freaked me out a little.... she passed away last year. If your mannerisms and voice register female with people I honestly don't think you'd have a ton of problems blending in with all the other girls out and about. The only thing that really jumps out is your guy pic, yes a trach shave would help with your overall look.
some general thoughts.... all of you girls posting here are looking great in your each individual way. don't post here much as it makes me a little crazy it times. girls do me a favor quit comparing yourself to models , actresses and some crazy a#$ female standard pulled off the internet for how women are supposed to look. go out in the REAL world and take a long hard realistic look at the women out their. we are trying to meet a standard that most fbab's don't even meet. jessica
@lostcharlie; So sorry to hear about the loss of your sister. Sorry to freak you out! What you say in your post made me feel better, I was feeling a bit discouraged after reading what Sebby said. The "almost impossible" to pass without FFS part... See I just want to do like you say "blending in with all the other girls out and about". I am not looking to be pretty, It is bad enough my body has to be hidden, imagine if my face looked great too... I don't want that kind of attention. I do look at women out there and many have bigger nose than me, or long face, or many other issues, we all have our flaws and some of it IS beautiful and unique. I don't want to dice my face up, you know. I am saving to get some FFS in the future, trach shave and nose job. Hugs! thanks for making me feel better!
@Harley Quinn; Haha bubble butt! I have not heard that word in forever. Made me laugh thanks :)
@Sebby Michelango; I respect your input and honesty. That said, I am unsure why you jumped right to FFS. I see you tell others to give HRT time, but not me. I have only been on it a year. Like I said above, I just want to blend in better, I don't need to be perfect, pretty Cis looking. Just pass as a girl, even if I am an ugly girl. In my original post I asked "Any tips or suggestions, other than surgery (can't afford that yet) to help me pass as a girl? " That is what I was hoping you would comment on. FFS is something I have planned for 2020, for now I wanted advice on what to do to blend. Thanks anyway.
-Jade :-*
jade_404, no worries the "freak out" was not a bad thing , more of omg you look just like my sister. I get your concern about your nose. It can be "fixed" at some time but don't let that stop you living your authentic life. My sister and I shared the same nose, our grandfathers. Goggle "Jimmy Durante" and thats pretty much what we both have/had stuck between our eyes ! It's hard to make real suggestions for improving ones appearance just based on some not always the best photos. Here's a suggestion. If you have any girl friends get their input . They say the devils in the details and some one that knows you well could quite possibly give you better advice. It could be anything from small adjustments in make up or hair, clothing, mannerisms etc. Best of luck going forward. Jessica.
P.S. not implying your nose is even close to what my sister and I got stuck with. your overall resemblance to my big sis in your top three photos is just uncanny....
Can't tell if I succeed at trying to look like an edgy punk/grungey type girl... or if I just look like a guy with bad makeup. Here. Any thoughts?
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Yes you do that first photo captures that style .....tried black lip stick ? I think that would suit the style your after : )
No you do not look like a guy thats a very feminine smile and your high cheek bones set it off nicely you have alot going for you
Hi Amanda combs you have similar bushy eyebrows to me, lol. I think you would look a lot better if they were threaded nicely....I understand maybe is something u can't do right now(I don't think I could do it in my present situation) but it would have a big impact on your look.
From a critical point of view I think you need to practice on your make up, maybe visit a makeup stall and get them to show you how to properly do your makeup. Saying that I like your look. You look great overall. Just some small observations. :)
Quote from: Jade_404 on November 06, 2016, 05:36:12 PM
@Sebby Michelango; I respect your input and honesty. That said, I am unsure why you jumped right to FFS. I see you tell others to give HRT time, but not me. I have only been on it a year. Like I said above, I just want to blend in better, I don't need to be perfect, pretty Cis looking. Just pass as a girl, even if I am an ugly girl. In my original post I asked "Any tips or suggestions, other than surgery (can't afford that yet) to help me pass as a girl? " That is what I was hoping you would comment on. FFS is something I have planned for 2020, for now I wanted advice on what to do to blend. Thanks anyway.
-Jade :-*
Sorry, I've changed my mind after all these times I have been at this forum. At certain people HRT works wonderful and can change a whole face. But in very many cases HRT, clothing, hairstyle, makeup etc. isn't enough in order to pass due some features. HRT can change a persons face after giving it time sometimes, but not always. Some people wouldn't pass even with HRT. I used to be more careful before recommending FFS in the past because I had too high "expectations"/beliefs how HRT works. Even though it's wonderful, it's not amazing enough to always make you suddenly look cis or passing 100%. HRT doesn't always change a person's nose or brow bridge. But estrogen do often give people breasts, fat changes, softer skin and hair.
Looks change over time. These are (from left to right) my 6 mo on HRT, 1 year, 2 year and 5 year on HRT pics. (No FFS)
For privacy purposes I won't post my 10 year or 13 year (current) pics, but my change in looks from 5 years to current are MUCH more profound than from start to 5 years.
Have patience and let HRT do its work.
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Quote from: AngieT on November 07, 2016, 02:09:12 PM
Looks change over time. These are (from left to right) my 6 mo on HRT, 1 year, 2 year and 5 year on HRT pics. (No FFS)
For privacy purposes I won't post my 10 year or 13 year (current) pics, but my change in looks from 5 years to current are MUCH more profound than from start to 5 years.
Have patience and let HRT do its work.
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You never had strong masculine bone structures in your face to begin with. Very little if any brow bossing, a short face, a short upper lip, a well proportioned chin and jaw, delicate curvature to your nose, and a great hairline. You pass right off the bat. HRT has softened your skin and rounded your cheeks, not that you even needed that, because you look cis in every picture anyways.
I'm sure makeup would help but wonder if the possibility of passing is there?
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Quote from: Jalynn on November 07, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
I'm sure makeup would help but wonder if the possibility of passing is there?
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My personal opinion is if you aren't passing, you are very close to passing. You have the girl next door look where you are open, inviting and comfortable with yourself as you are. I suspect others will suggest improvements but with voice and proper presentation you should be able to pass.
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Do I look like I could pass as female?
Quote from: Stacitg1 on November 08, 2016, 01:51:43 PM
Do I look like I could pass as female?
Yes. That hair is fantastic, and your face isn't strongly masculine or anything. I assume you don't have facial hair issues -- in person they aren't easily masked by makeup.
Given your frame you will absolutely need a good voice, but on first glance you should be able to be gendered female.
Jalynn, No make up ? Good gosh you look better than most of the cis women I know ! I would kill to have your smile. No make up ... as I shake my head with amazement.......
Stacitg1, Looking pretty darn good to me. Kind of hard to see small details in your face due to the shadows, but overall pretty cute from my viewpoint. Like you outfit too. Oh ... and some nice legs to boot !
Quote from: Jalynn on November 07, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
I'm sure makeup would help but wonder if the possibility of passing is there?
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You have improved a lot since last time you posted a picture. :)
Quote from: Jalynn on November 07, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
I'm sure makeup would help but wonder if the possibility of passing is there?
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You have improved a lot since last time you posted a picture. :)
Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 08, 2016, 04:34:00 PM
Yes. That hair is fantastic, and your face isn't strongly masculine or anything. I assume you don't have facial hair issues -- in person they aren't easily masked by makeup.
Given your frame you will absolutely need a good voice, but on first glance you should be able to be gendered female.
Sophie, Thanks for the encouragement and advice. I am in the early stages of electrolysis but luckily my facial hair is light and does not grow quickly. Can't get rid of it soon enough. Also I am working on my voice but have not progressed as fast as I would like. Still a work in progress. Everything seems to be going way to slowly but at least I am headed forward.
Quote from: Stacitg1 on November 09, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Sophie, Thanks for the encouragement and advice. I am in the early stages of electrolysis but luckily my facial hair is light and does not grow quickly. Can't get rid of it soon enough. Also I am working on my voice but have not progressed as fast as I would like. Still a work in progress. Everything seems to be going way to slowly but at least I am headed forward.
Love the curly hair. :) My hair is naturally curly so I always respond well to that look. Best wishes!
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Just returned from San Diego with a few perplexing moments.
I hate to visit the U.S. again. As possible, I will not go there again!
It all happned in LAX (LA international airport). The young security woman ransacked me: whole of my body including the groin and even the genital. This was far severer than when I was in Dulles airport a few months ago. Although she asked me whether I prefer getting it in a private room, but I refused it.
Another perplexing moment was when I sat on the bench in the airport. A young man next to me asked me a favor. He said that his wife went to the public restroom about 20 min ago, but still did not come back. He asked me to enter the restroom and check whether she is fine. What can I do? Entering there and shouting her name in the front of each room (with my low voice)? Fortunately another aged woman next to me said she can do it, asking the name of his wife, but his wife just came back.
Before going to the airport, I had dinner with my eldest son, who lives in LA, at a restaurant in the downtown of Santa Monica (the 2nd photo). The place was more like cities of my country, South Korea: bold fashion, drunken men, crowded and noisy. Many women were wearing high heels and fishnet.
In a walmart store of San Diego, an aged man behind me asked me "how tall are you?" I just did not reply as if I do not speak English. And in a public restroom of Sea World, another aged woman suddenly blocked my way out, commenting that I am so much tall. But I saw a lot of other tall women there. Yes. People seem to be more talkative than in the eastern coast of the U.S.
My colleagues let me know that San Francisco airport is as bad as LAX, and I will avoid stopping at any airport of the western coast of the U.S. Without ransacking in the airport, travel to the U.S. would be far more enjoyable.
Anyway, can I pass?
barbie~~
OT, but... Barbie, you were wise to avoid the 'private room' search offer. The TSA folks at the airports I use seem to like holding us in those until just after our flight has left. A search in public, where there are witnesses is much safer, even if humiliating.
Humiliation is all just part of the US Real Life Experience for us.
Barbie you are lovely and as an American, I apologize for the TSA.
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Barbie - you could check if you are eligible for a program called Global Entry. It primarily allows you to bypass customs and immigration but also comes with TSA Precheck. They have separate security lines which have a lower security standard since you have been pre-approved. You only have to pass a metal detector. Depending on your passport country you can get this even as foreigner (I have it too and I am a few years away from citizenship). Only catch is that not every airline participates.
Sorry to hear about your bad experience - I would have thought LA and San Francisco are a bit more progressive.
Barbie, I think you pass very well. I am sorry you had such a rough experience from the TSA. BTW the fact that the man sitting next to you asked you to check on his wife is a good sign that you are passing well.
Quote from: Michelle_P on November 13, 2016, 05:28:41 PM
OT, but... Barbie, you were wise to avoid the 'private room' search offer. The TSA folks at the airports I use seem to like holding us in those until just after our flight has left. A search in public, where there are witnesses is much safer, even if humiliating.
Humiliation is all just part of the US Real Life Experience for us.
Quote from: dori on November 13, 2016, 06:08:46 PM
Barbie you are lovely and as an American, I apologize for the TSA.
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Thanks, Michelle and Dori.
Yes. I understand the high security level of airports in the US, as a trauma of 911. Here in my country, the security staffs in the airport also sometimes randomly ransack passengers. However, the difference is that the staffs here are very polite, asking some understanding, but the staff in LAX was high-handed. She looked threatening. I know that they have to ransack hundreds passengers every day, and I may understand their hard work and difficulty.
Yes. I guessed that searching in public would be far better.
Quote from: sarah1972 on November 13, 2016, 09:51:40 PM
Barbie - you could check if you are eligible for a program called Global Entry. It primarily allows you to bypass customs and immigration but also comes with TSA Precheck. They have separate security lines which have a lower security standard since you have been pre-approved. You only have to pass a metal detector. Depending on your passport country you can get this even as foreigner (I have it too and I am a few years away from citizenship). Only catch is that not every airline participates.
Sorry to hear about your bad experience - I would have thought LA and San Francisco are a bit more progressive.
Yes. I use Global Entry when I enter the U.S., too. But it happened when I departed to my country, which Global Entry does not apply. Also, I posses an official passport, which sometimes exempt me from harsh checking processes in some countries. But both were useless, as I was in departure and the TSA randomly choose passengers for harsh ransacking.
Quote from: Stacitg1 on November 14, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
Barbie, I think you pass very well. I am sorry you had such a rough experience from the TSA. BTW the fact that the man sitting next to you asked you to check on his wife is a good sign that you are passing well.
I guess why he chose me was that his wife was an East Asian woman. At least, I was lucky as a male staff did not ransack me (male staffs ransack men, and vice versa). At Dulles airport, a female staff also ransacked me, although she already saw my passport and the male sign. She first called me as 'Sir', but immediately corrected to 'Ma'am'. I guessed she was well trained and educated.
Nowadays, airports become harsher places for transgender people around the world. And, we need to prepare for it. At least, the worst moment did not occurred, and I still think I was lucky.
Thanks again for all kind replies!
Cheers!
barbie~~
Hey y'all. Just here for an update noone asked for! To think time flies so fast. I think I posted a picture of myself in here about 6 or 7 months ago and just felt like I wanted to give a small update. My before picture isn't the best representation of what I looked like pre-HRT but it's the only one I could find. I don't pass 100% yet, but it feels like I'm getting there slowly but surely. So for all you people who think you look too manly to transition, it's worth a try!
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Maxineeh, you look beautiful! You have the same feminine looks as a couple of girls I know. You go girl, looking good. :)
It's been a long time for me. I dressed up today and took a few photos. This is probably the best of the lot (excuse the mess!
Pre everything, with a bit of lipstick and some bronze tint. Could I pass?
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Quote from: barbie on November 13, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
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Just returned from San Diego with a few perplexing moments.
I hate to visit the U.S. again. As possible, I will not go there again!
It all happned in LAX (LA international airport). The young security woman ransacked me: whole of my body including the groin and even the genital. This was far severer than when I was in Dulles airport a few months ago. Although she asked me whether I prefer getting it in a private room, but I refused it.
Another perplexing moment was when I sat on the bench in the airport. A young man next to me asked me a favor. He said that his wife went to the public restroom about 20 min ago, but still did not come back. He asked me to enter the restroom and check whether she is fine. What can I do? Entering there and shouting her name in the front of each room (with my low voice)? Fortunately another aged woman next to me said she can do it, asking the name of his wife, but his wife just came back.
Before going to the airport, I had dinner with my eldest son, who lives in LA, at a restaurant in the downtown of Santa Monica (the 2nd photo). The place was more like cities of my country, South Korea: bold fashion, drunken men, crowded and noisy. Many women were wearing high heels and fishnet.
In a walmart store of San Diego, an aged man behind me asked me "how tall are you?" I just did not reply as if I do not speak English. And in a public restroom of Sea World, another aged woman suddenly blocked my way out, commenting that I am so much tall. But I saw a lot of other tall women there. Yes. People seem to be more talkative than in the eastern coast of the U.S.
My colleagues let me know that San Francisco airport is as bad as LAX, and I will avoid stopping at any airport of the western coast of the U.S. Without ransacking in the airport, travel to the U.S. would be far more enjoyable.
Anyway, can I pass?
barbie~~
Barb
I have a pacemaker and get the private screening all the time. I fly 20 or so times a year and it is always the same. Can't use the scanner so they take me apart right there. Have not been since I have grown noticeable boobs. But I realize they are doing it for my safety no matter how ineffective and useless the process is. It's unfortunate we have to have such precautions but that is what happens when your Pres ignores 77 warnings prior to 9/11 but was too busy on vacation to acknowledge. This is the Bandaid neglect and fear produced.
I don't think that I can pass as female, but maybe once I've been on hrt for a little while and I lose a but of my muscle mass and get some curves my fairly androgenous current appearance will aid with my passing. Lucky for me I've never been very hairy and I only have light shadow on my face to contend with. I have noticed that since I started taking care of my skin with my wifes products it's been much better to get closer shaves. I would love to be able to dress up and spend the day out and about with my wife! On day :icon_lips: :icon_lips:
just curious
Could I pass? Do you think I should get FFS?
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It's been so long since I posted a few. What do you all think?
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Your coming along nicely, but the camera angle on the last one isn't the best angle for your face. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: Jessika on November 17, 2016, 02:53:30 PM
It's been so long since I posted a few. What do you all think?
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You look very nice.
Quote from: Jessika on November 17, 2016, 02:53:30 PM
It's been so long since I posted a few. What do you all think?
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Quote from: Mariah on November 17, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Your coming along nicely, but the camera angle on the last one isn't the best angle for your face. Hugs
Mariah
Yeah, Not too great with a Camera phone. All wonky. hehe ty.
Quote from: Annarko on November 17, 2016, 03:34:32 PM
You look very nice.
Thanks. As long as I move forward, I am happy. :)
Quote from: Sydney Blair on November 17, 2016, 02:33:29 PM
Could I pass? Do you think I should get FFS?
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You doesn't pass yet. If you wants to look cisgender, FFS is a solution. But getting a new hairstyle might also help the passing ability in addition to HRT. Perhaps you should try a hairstyle with lesser stiffness in it, so it looks a bit natural and relaxed.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on November 18, 2016, 11:00:09 AM
You doesn't pass yet. If you wants to look cisgender, FFS is a solution. But getting a new hairstyle might also help the passing ability in addition to HRT. Perhaps you should try a hairstyle with lesser stiffness in it, so it looks a bit natural and relaxed.
I think she's wearing a wig. Definitely want to get a better one.
She also has beard shadow and needs to work on her makeup -- more precision with the lipstick and eyeliner in particular.
Hi all. I had posted this last month, but I think because of a little battle going on about the tone of this thread it got lost and I didn't get hardly any feedback, my apologies to you that have seen this before.
It had been a while since I had posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
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Quote from: WynneN on November 19, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Hi all. I had posted this last month, but I think because of a little battle going on about the tone of this thread it got lost and I didn't get hardly any feedback, my apologies to you that have seen this before.
It had been a while since I had posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
I personally think you're getting pretty close. That is, I've seen far worse in ciswomen. From the angle I don't see obvious brow issues, but you'll know if there is an issue from a side view, right? If the cheeks fill out a little more and the fat padding around the chin fades, the front view will be read as female, in my opinion.
I bet that with patience, and continued HRT you could be there at the 18 month point. Push the makeup a bit with contouring and your front view could easily be read as female.
Quote from: Sydney Blair on November 17, 2016, 02:33:29 PM
Could I pass? Do you think I should get FFS?
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Sydney,
You look a lot like I did 4 years ago. At that time I weighed 340 pounds. The single most important task in my transition was to lose weight. With a mostly vegetarian diet of less than 1000 calories per day for 2 years, I now weigh almost 200 pounds and I now have the right curves in the proper places.
With my massive weight loss, I also needed to do a tummy tuck and upper arms as well. Yes, I have surgery scars, but I needed to do this in addition to my GRS and FFS. When all my surgeries are done I will post pictures.
Most importantly, make a plan, work your plan, and don't look back!
You have a very real possibility to be what you want to be.
Best wishes,
alright. going on a first date as female tonight in 4 years. first pic is now, second 2 pics are from 4 years ago with about 3 or so months of HRT.
Do I pass? Do I look more masculine than I did 4 years ago? any significant changes you can see?
got to know what i can work on or overlooked. :3
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Quote from: Eve of chaos on November 19, 2016, 06:17:39 PM
alright. going on a first date as female tonight in 4 years. first pic is now, second 2 pics are from 4 years ago with about 3 or so months of HRT.
Do I pass? Do I look more masculine than I did 4 years ago? any significant changes you can see?
got to know what i can work on or overlooked. :3
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I can't see your pics but I think you avatar pic is really good. You're beautiful. I hope you have a great 1st date! ❤️💋❤️
Alora
Quote from: Alora on November 19, 2016, 06:32:43 PM
I can't see your pics but I think you avatar pic is really good. You're beautiful. I hope you have a great 1st date! ❤️💋❤️
Alora
Can't see your pics as well ...
But, your avatar pic is cute. :)
Quote from: Sinclair on November 19, 2016, 10:23:53 PM
Can't see your pics as well ...
But, your avatar pic is cute. :)
no idea why the pics only show up on my pc and not any others. I resubmitted them with a different site. hopefully they can be seen now.
I at least updated my avatar with the recent pic as the other one was from 4 years ago when I looked good xD
Quote from: Eve of chaos on November 20, 2016, 12:22:46 PM
no idea why the pics only show up on my pc and not any others. I resubmitted them with a different site. hopefully they can be seen now.
I at least updated my avatar with the recent pic as the other one was from 4 years ago when I looked good xD
is your date a guy or girl?
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on November 20, 2016, 12:30:10 PM
is your date a guy or girl?
A girl. but I'm curious as to why you ask.
Quote from: DawnOday on November 17, 2016, 11:48:23 AM
Barb
I have a pacemaker and get the private screening all the time. I fly 20 or so times a year and it is always the same. Can't use the scanner so they take me apart right there. Have not been since I have grown noticeable boobs. But I realize they are doing it for my safety no matter how ineffective and useless the process is. It's unfortunate we have to have such precautions but that is what happens when your Pres ignores 77 warnings prior to 9/11 but was too busy on vacation to acknowledge. This is the Bandaid neglect and fear produced.
Yes. I understand it, but many TSA people are kind, minimizing the feeling of being insulted.
I also fly frequently, probably more than 100 times every year. Nowadays, I guess most security persons in the airport I frequently pass know me very well. I am sometimes surprised that people remember and recognize me so well. All of the security persons here are very kind.
Cheers!
barbie~~
I constantly look at this thread for inspiration as what might come and so many of you have come such wonderful ways! ^_^ At 25 and just hit 6 months HRT yesterday I don't feel anywhere close to looking feminine at most HRT has made my face a little softer and made me look younger and a bit more gender ambiguous but not feminine in my eyes >_< But bleh doesn't help me not get called Sir when I leave my house. My mind shifts between impatience and a conspiracy that sublingual estradiol isn't working well enough me but with injections on shortage doctor wont prescribe them to me but bleh Keep up the good work everyone and maybe I'll one day be able to be close and post in this thread too! Haha
Quote from: Eve of chaos on November 20, 2016, 12:41:10 PM
A girl. but I'm curious as to why you ask.
i was just curious. No real reason.
Quote from: DuchessBianca on November 21, 2016, 09:25:06 AMwith injections on shortage doctor wont prescribe them to me
Estradiol Cypionate, an injectable, is still readily available. It's bio-identical 17b-estradiol, just like Estradiol Valerate, and it will do the job.
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Quote from: Michelle_P on November 19, 2016, 11:35:51 AM
I personally think you're getting pretty close. That is, I've seen far worse in ciswomen. From the angle I don't see obvious brow issues, but you'll know if there is an issue from a side view, right? If the cheeks fill out a little more and the fat padding around the chin fades, the front view will be read as female, in my opinion.
I bet that with patience, and continued HRT you could be there at the 18 month point. Push the makeup a bit with contouring and your front view could easily be read as female.
Thanks for your comments and kind words, I would welcome more from other members :)
I think I am kind of lucky, I don't have the typical brow issues and zero Adams Apple. I also am regularly taken for less than my 55 years which is nice!
Well, this is pretty embarrassing because there're so many gorgeous girls here and I'm pre-everything (I've only recently dared to go dancing as a female). But since I don't have any trans friend in real life I feel like I need to share this bit of myself with you girls :), so here we go:
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Quote from: WynneN on November 22, 2016, 11:31:49 AM
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Thanks for your comments and kind words, I would welcome more from other members :)
I think I am kind of lucky, I don't have the typical brow issues and zero Adams Apple. I also am regularly taken for less than my 55 years which is nice!
you look nice
Quote from: Camouflage on November 23, 2016, 06:10:04 PM
Well, this is pretty embarrassing because there're so many gorgeous girls here and I'm pre-everything (I've only recently dared to go dancing as a female). But since I don't have any trans friend in real life I feel like I need to share this bit of myself with you girls :), so here we go:
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Pre-everything and you look good. :)
I'm jealous by each and every one of you who have such slim/non broad shoulders -sniff- -sniff- Haha
Quote from: DuchessBianca on November 23, 2016, 09:29:25 PM
I'm jealous by each and every one of you who have such slim/non broad shoulders -sniff- -sniff- Haha
DITTO... extremely jealous!!!
My male features are so strong I'm concerned I won't be able to pass, ever. 😞😞
Quote from: WynneN on November 22, 2016, 11:31:49 AM
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Thanks for your comments and kind words, I would welcome more from other members :)
I think I am kind of lucky, I don't have the typical brow issues and zero Adams Apple. I also am regularly taken for less than my 55 years which is nice!
Wynne, you look lovely. Short hair works for you.
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Quote from: Camouflage on November 23, 2016, 06:10:04 PM
Well, this is pretty embarrassing because there're so many gorgeous girls here and I'm pre-everything (I've only recently dared to go dancing as a female). But since I don't have any trans friend in real life I feel like I need to share this bit of myself with you girls :), so here we go:
(https://s11.postimg.org/chlkbv4vn/untitled.jpg)
You've got a great skeleton, and so much hair -- that style really works for you. Good job with your makeup, too, though I think your lower eyelids could be more precise.
Facially, I think I can detect some beard shadow -- have you begun laser/electrolysis? I also think you'd benefit greatly from FFS -- your chin and nose are both fairly broad. Your forehead has a nice shape, but your hairline is a bit high, and your eyes are very deep set. All that said, you have a ton of potential. :)
Quote from: WynneN on November 19, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Hi all. I had posted this last month, but I think because of a little battle going on about the tone of this thread it got lost and I didn't get hardly any feedback, my apologies to you that have seen this before.
It had been a while since I had posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
(https://i.imgur.com/U4gtzbd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XYUxhLg.jpg)
The second photo definitely passes for me. The first one, I'm not sure what's bugging me, but it might be the difference in how the more professional clothing offsets your face. There's an actress that has a similar haircut to you, although I am horrid at remembering names and can't remember who it was for the life of me, but you look a lot like her in the second photo. :)
Quote from: Camouflage on November 23, 2016, 06:10:04 PM
Well, this is pretty embarrassing because there're so many gorgeous girls here and I'm pre-everything (I've only recently dared to go dancing as a female). But since I don't have any trans friend in real life I feel like I need to share this bit of myself with you girls :), so here we go:
(https://s11.postimg.org/chlkbv4vn/untitled.jpg)
Pre-everything? Damn, girl. Would not have guessed. You look awesome. :)
Quote from: WynneN on November 19, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Hi all. I had posted this last month, but I think because of a little battle going on about the tone of this thread it got lost and I didn't get hardly any feedback, my apologies to you that have seen this before.
It had been a while since I had posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
(https://i.imgur.com/U4gtzbd.jpg)
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Hi Wynne,
I have to be honest, you are not passing for me in these photos.
One area I would suggest is the hair. In these photos, your style is short and could be worn by either a man or woman - therefore it is not pushing the image toward "female" in my mind. A long feminine style is one of the best ways to cue the viewer's mind that they are looking at a woman. You might try experimenting with a wig or extensions and see what the result is.
I hope that this is helpful!
Quote from: Sydney Blair on November 17, 2016, 02:33:29 PM
Could I pass? Do you think I should get FFS?
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To be honest: I think you can, but you need to put more effort in it. Being female requires more effort. You have nice skin, but I still see some beard shadow. Removing that beard shadow will drastically improve your appearance. Instead of much color, you could try some natural looking lipstick, or lip gloss. If you shape your eyebrows, you would look better. Your nose looks fine, in the range of female. Eyes too.
So if you take these tips, and put on something nice (what clothes you dream to wear?) and show a big smile, and then post that picture here? I think it would be a world of difference!
been working on my makeup game and letting my hair grow out. its finally long enough to do anything with, but still too short to do anything with, so bobby pins and are are getting acquainted lol how can i improve? I'm not asking about my background this time or any other time :/ (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fcutehair_zpsfo7gnsbk.jpg&hash=68aa2972d7992458419ed2ec40e302dbb7965946)
Quote from: WynneN on November 19, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Hi all. I had posted this last month, but I think because of a little battle going on about the tone of this thread it got lost and I didn't get hardly any feedback, my apologies to you that have seen this before.
It had been a while since I had posted....This is me at 9 months HRT, 55 years old.
Short hair works very well, and you definitely pass to my eyes.
barbie~~
Quote from: SoraKat on November 25, 2016, 10:33:15 AM
been working on my makeup game and letting my hair grow out. its finally long enough to do anything with, but still too short to do anything with, so bobby pins and are are getting acquainted lol how can i improve? I'm not asking about my background this time or any other time :/ (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fcutehair_zpsfo7gnsbk.jpg&hash=68aa2972d7992458419ed2ec40e302dbb7965946)
Hi SoraKat,
Looks like you're starting to come along. I'm curious to see what you look like after a year of HRT and hair growth. I think you have a lot of potential.
Paige :)
First time using makeup, managed to make my eyes look different to one another. I'm pre-everything, any advice is welcome.
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Quote from: PBP on November 25, 2016, 02:50:30 PM
First time using makeup, managed to make my eyes look different to one another. I'm pre-everything, any advice is welcome.
Very beautiful lips. Nose is fine, I also love the short hair. I think a bit effort on the eyes/brows would be good. Plucking underneath your brow would make a huge difference.
Quote from: Sinclair on November 23, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
Pre-everything and you look good. :)
Quote from: VervainPre-everything? Damn, girl. Would not have guessed. You look awesome. :)
You're so incredibly kind and sweet. That was just an invaluable confidence boost :).
Quote from: Sophia Sage
You've got a great skeleton, and so much hair -- that style really works for you. Good job with your makeup, too, though I think your lower eyelids could be more precise.
Facially, I think I can detect some beard shadow -- have you begun laser/electrolysis? I also think you'd benefit greatly from FFS -- your chin and nose are both fairly broad. Your forehead has a nice shape, but your hairline is a bit high, and your eyes are very deep set. All that said, you have a ton of potential. :)
Thanks a lot for your compliments and advice :). I'm glad my makeup looks well, I've very recently started using it so I still feel like I have a lot to learn. I'd like to get better at eyelining my eyes, but my pulse is so unsteady it ends up all smeared haha.
You're spot on about the shadow, electrolysis is the first thing I'm about to tackle. Meanwhile I want to get better at covering it with concealer. I'm still unsure about surgery... on the one hand, there are certain features I'd like to feminize a little but I'd hate to look unnatural or like I'm not myself anymore. Anyway, I'd like to begin HRT first in the near future and see how it goes.
Quote from: SoraKat on November 25, 2016, 10:33:15 AMbeen working on my makeup game and letting my hair grow out. its finally long enough to do anything with, but still too short to do anything with, so bobby pins and are are getting acquainted lol how can i improve? I'm not asking about my background this time or any other time
I'd suggest a stronger line with the eyeliner and mascara -- you'll want your eyes to really pop out. You've got great cheeks, btw.
Keep growing your hair, it's helping.
Get rid of the beard shadow.
Quote from: PBP on November 25, 2016, 02:50:30 PM
First time using makeup, managed to make my eyes look different to one another. I'm pre-everything, any advice is welcome.
I disagree with 2cherry -- that's a pretty masculine haircut. You'll want to grow it out (you seem blessed in this department) to help frame your face, making it seem proportionately smaller. But she's absolutely right about shaping your eyebrows and lips. Excellent use of foundation, too.
Your eye makeup needs work. Your eyes are rather deep set, and all the eye shadow just makes them look deeper. I'd go with a bright neutral palette there, and instead work on your eyeliner and a lengthening mascara. Your lower lids are messy -- you need a very fine line here, or just mascara.
Overall, your face has a lot of potential. :)
Quote from: Confetti on August 13, 2016, 02:08:38 PM
thanks :) i've just turned 20! hooray for us haha! :D
Wow! I am 21. But I haven't yet started transitioning. You look gorgeous.
Any tips on losing weight and feminizing myself are welcome.
Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 25, 2016, 10:44:54 PM
I disagree with 2cherry -- that's a pretty masculine haircut. You'll want to grow it out (you seem blessed in this department) to help frame your face, making it seem proportionately smaller. But she's absolutely right about shaping your eyebrows and lips. Excellent use of foundation, too.
Your eye makeup needs work. Your eyes are rather deep set, and all the eye shadow just makes them look deeper. I'd go with a bright neutral palette there, and instead work on your eyeliner and a lengthening mascara. Your lower lids are messy -- you need a very fine line here, or just mascara.
Overall, your face has a lot of potential. :)
Quote from: 2cherry on November 25, 2016, 03:09:15 PM
Very beautiful lips. Nose is fine, I also love the short hair. I think a bit effort on the eyes/brows would be good. Plucking underneath your brow would make a huge difference.
Thank you for the advice. My haircut is my guy mode cut at the moment, I'm probably going to get a wig soonish. I haven't got any lipstick or gloss right now, so I'll try to get some soon. I'll do what I can with eyebrows, if anyone's got advice on how to make them better whilst still being okay in guy mode that would be great. I'll make sure to work on the eye make up though.
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Thanks Steph, Dori and Vervain! And Rhonda Lynne, I appreciate your comments and advice.
I was hoping Sebby might chime in 😊
Ok girls, since i have my brother over for a few months, I haven't got to be me!
So anyway this is me in guy mode, no make up and facial hair,
How do you think I pass now?
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Quote from: ChristineRachel on November 26, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
Ok girls, since i have my brother over for a few months, I haven't got to be me!
So anyway this is me in guy mode, no make up and facial hair,
How do you think I pass now?
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You look like a girl with a fake moustache
Quote from: PBP on November 25, 2016, 02:50:30 PM
" . . . I'm pre-everything, . . .
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Oh, my word :o
You're blessed kiddo :P Congrats!!!
Quote from: Vervain on November 24, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
" . . . There's an actress that has a similar haircut to you, although I am horrid at remembering names and can't remember who it was for the life of me, but you look a lot like her in the second photo. :)
Oooo oooo ooooo! I know I KNOW!!!
The gal playing the 1st Lady - opposite Kevin Spacey - in the NETFLIX Original: House of Cards!
If you went Platinum BLONDE you'd be a ringer ;)
Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 26, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
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So pretty, I super jealous.
Quote from: another_special_grrl on November 26, 2016, 03:22:31 PM
Oooo oooo ooooo! I know I KNOW!!!
The gal playing the 1st Lady - opposite Kevin Spacey - in the NETFLIX Original: House of Cards!
If you went Platinum BLONDE you'd be a ringer ;)
OK...that's too funny...it's Robin Wight and it was her picture I showed my stylist when I got my hair cut....AND, I just got it a bit blonder a few days ago after those photos were taken!
Quote from: ChristineRachel on November 26, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
Ok girls, since i have my brother over for a few months, I haven't got to be me!
So anyway this is me in guy mode, no make up and facial hair,
How do you think I pass now?
The facial hair will get you clocked over and over again. Seriously, make plans for electrolysis or laser. The angle on that final picture shows a prominent chin. And, finally, I'd suggest at least shaping your eyebrows, and start going for guy fail.
You've got lovely eyes and lashes, btw.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on November 26, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
Ok girls, since i have my brother over for a few months, I haven't got to be me!
So anyway this is me in guy mode, no make up and facial hair,
How do you think I pass now?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzrQBsAZ.jpg&hash=b53667c9f9c90102409d85fd059690656373ff24)
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Christine, i don't say this often especially on here, so don't take it lightly. You look so fish and real. The person who said you like a cis girl with a fake stachs is so right. I seriously wish i looked that good with no makeup.
I don't know your life but girl F your brother! I don't know how he doesn't know you're not transitioning by your pictures. You look too much like a girl and one of my old cis co-worker to be exact. Its kinda scary. I would just shave that stach cause clearly you weren't meant to be a born a boy. You'd have a harder time passing for a boy then girl rn based on these pictures.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on November 26, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
Ok girls, since i have my brother over for a few months, I haven't got to be me!
So anyway this is me in guy mode, no make up and facial hair,
How do you think I pass now?
So sorry you can't be you. A good chunk of our transition is the social one too; not just the physical.
You tip the scales fem in 1st pic, andro in 2nd pic, and masculine in 3rd pic.
I assume if you have/had full mustache thing going on, that people would assume you're just a pretty, gay male in public?
Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 26, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
Pics
You've been one of my favorite posters both here and on and I was always confused by the dichotomy of people saying either:
-You look beautiful! Such a difference!
or
-Your hairline is too blah blah, your jawline is blah blah, your hangnail on your pinky is too blah blah or whatever LoL...
So I dunno what the deal is, or was; I always thought you were amazing looking and I'm sticking with that story. Yes, you pass.
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Rachel is soo pretty, I need to improve my makeup you women look great. Ok honestly this is the first time I ever put makeup on in my life it may look bad. Also, I recently got a buzz cut because I kind of like them. I'm going kinda odd in style right now I have a spectral bandana on lol. Anyway can I pass as a female?..
http://imgur.com/a/L8gXw
that is my gallery. Photos taken with Wepcam from Notebook pc. Quality is meh.
Sadly, I have been self medding and the cost is high so I have ended up quitting my AA because I ran out a month ago. And my E dose is very low not even in normal prescribed doses.. I kind of have re-masculinized.
So yeah please tell me.
Thank you guys for the comments, its been a tough few months, I have my First lasser session Friday, and after Christmas I'm back on my own! :3
And thank you Patience, that means alot! A real boost in confidence hearing that!
And Rachel you look really good too, and Magicka! I wana see you with hair!!! Your face is pure femme!
Thanks for the sweet comment! At work today some guy called my "My Man" it may be the lack of hair length and my voice or something.
I want hair too but geez it's been looking thin every time I grow it! It might be because I'm still at very low dose without even an aa lately... and starting smoking is not helping(dang stress) well things will turn out. Based on your words I'm doing good but I did something to give my self away tonight.
Okay, so second attempt at makeup. Tried to follow the advice given for eyes. I still don't have anything for my lips so I'll put that down on my shopping list. Not sure what to do about eyebrows, how far can I go with shaping them before they look strange in guy mode? Wig came as well so I wore that. For the first time in a few years now though I've been happy to see myself in the mirror.
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Quote from: PBP on November 28, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
Okay, so second attempt at makeup. Tried to follow the advice given for eyes. I still don't have anything for my lips so I'll put that down on my shopping list. Not sure what to do about eyebrows, how far can I go with shaping them before they look strange in guy mode? Wig came as well so I wore that. For the first time in a few years now though I've been happy to see myself in the mirror.
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I'm super jelly sweetie. This looks a lot more passable now. Tweezing will help. How far you can go and have them not look strange in "guy" mode, I'm not sure.
However, you can round them out closer to the nose and then thin out the tails closer to the ears. I'm still playing with that, but I've been told my eyebrows are pretty feminine.
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Quote from: Alora on November 28, 2016, 02:22:36 PM
I'm super jelly sweetie. This looks a lot more passable now. Tweezing will help. How far you can go and have them not look strange in "guy" mode, I'm not sure.
However, you can round them out closer to the nose and then thin out the tails closer to the ears. I'm still playing with that, but I've been told my eyebrows are pretty feminine.
Loves [emoji182]❤️[emoji182]
Holey Moley! With that hair, you're 100% there!
Quote from: PBP on November 28, 2016, 01:57:21 PMOkay, so second attempt at makeup. Tried to follow the advice given for eyes. I still don't have anything for my lips so I'll put that down on my shopping list. Not sure what to do about eyebrows, how far can I go with shaping them before they look strange in guy mode? Wig came as well so I wore that. For the first time in a few years now though I've been happy to see myself in the mirror.
Very nice! Your eyes really come out now.
Your wig is a bit too forward, and the part is too far to the side, but it's still a great look on you. The thick hair coming down to your shoulders really helps to frame the features of your face -- and in this department you are blessed with a fairly tapered chin, a thin upper lip, and nice cheekbones.
For your eyebrows, try reducing their vertical thickness by about 25%. Google some "androgynous eyebrow" images for ideas on shaping.
:)
Quote from: RachelsMantra on November 26, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
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You look fab! :icon_chick:
AnotherSpecialGirl you look good! Your face can definitely pass.
Rachel you look like you were born cis.
Christine, I always thought you passed.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on November 26, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
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Wow! Pretty much what everyone else said. You got it going on girl! Good for you :) I don't think that you will have a problem passing at all once you decide to take the big step. Hell if you shaved your stache now and did your eyebrows you'd be good to go as far as passing is concerned. Best of luck with everything :)
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Hey I haven't posted in a while, buuuut here I am in the morning with no makeup. Except eyeliner from the night before lol anyways do I pass with no makeup???
Quote from: Iliana.Found on November 30, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
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Hey I haven't posted in a while, buuuut here I am in the morning with no makeup. Except eyeliner from the night before lol anyways do I pass with no makeup???
Well... I only wish I could look half that good waking up in the morning. Your beautiful and pass in my book. [emoji182]❤️[emoji182]
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Thank you so much Iliana! :3
Its so good to hear some positive, the negative runs around my mind all too often, but I'm getting better.
and you are stunning! :O oh my I hope after my hair gets long and a few years on HRT I will look half as good!
Always wanted dark eyes! >___<
Quote from: ChristineRachel on November 30, 2016, 12:16:04 PM
Thank you so much Iliana! :3
Its so good to hear some positive, the negative runs around my mind all too often, but I'm getting better.
and you are stunning! :O oh my I hope after my hair gets long and a few years on HRT I will look half as good!
Always wanted dark eyes! >___<
You're welcome :) You are very cute! And thank you so much. I always question how I look without makeup :(
P.S. I always wanted light eyes! Let's trade lol
Quote from: Alora on November 30, 2016, 10:51:19 AM
Well... I only wish I could look half that good waking up in the morning. Your beautiful and pass in my book. [emoji182]❤️[emoji182]
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Aww that's so sweet! I wish I felt that I'm beautiful more often. Thank you for the kind words :)
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Pre-HRT, but I found a doc. Going to start soon hopefully. I first started CDing when I was 18-19 and I repressed until the age of 26, now. I finally confronted this side of me and accepted her for who she is. I just want to let her out and put the guy away. He has had his turn. I often had image problems and was often times called a girl growing up. Some threw that word at me like a slap, but what I felt was pride, I think. So, lets do this! http://imgur.com/ev5nQTP and more face http://imgur.com/a/17Vpe
Hey everyone, I'm kinda wondering how my frame looks. Thanks!
Quote from: Jean24 on November 30, 2016, 05:57:18 PM
Hey everyone, I'm kinda wondering how my frame looks. Thanks!
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Your body is similar to mine. I tend to be thick in the middle. BUT. There are plenty of clothing options to choose from, not to mention hrt moving fat to all the right places, creating more of an hourglass figure. I'd suggest some cardio and planking, various hip and butt exercises, to give yourself the best out of our shape style. Cute top btw! ^-^
My favorite night shirt, wig and lipstick (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f8/9b/30/f89b309497a427e867643587d9bd32cf.jpg)
Jalynn, you are totally adorable. Yes girl you do pass just fine.
Quote from: Jalynn on December 03, 2016, 12:14:04 AM
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You sure do, 100%. :)
I posted a few pages back but didn't really get any replies. figured I'd try one more time with a couple more recent pics.
hopefully they show up.
looking for any tips on how to pass better. or some critical point outs of what give me away regardless if i can change it or not.
just cant tell if i pass or not.
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Quote from: Eve of chaos on December 03, 2016, 05:24:41 PM
I posted a few pages back but didn't really get any replies. figured I'd try one more time with a couple more recent pics.
hopefully they show up.
looking for any tips on how to pass better. or some critical point outs of what give me away regardless if i can change it or not.
just cant tell if i pass or not.
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Hi Eve, you are passing, it's a process and as you noted, we can all work to pass better. :icon_chick: I like the big glasses and you seem to have a nice petite body. I would love to see you with a little eye brow work and some makeup! Best wishes sweetie!
Yes Eve you can pass as you are. If you want to make it better for going out then try thinning the eyebrow line, a bit of lip color and try out some makeup contouring. You have a more manly sized nose, so do I, but feel good because if I walked past you on the street I wouldn't think any different. :)
We only notice these things because we are all looking so hard for them.
so my phone is a potato, but the other day i dressed up for a dance. i'm not the best judge of my own appearance, but i looked so much not like a guy that it surprised me and made me very happy :) can anyone give me a more objective opinion?
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Your face is definitely looking female in that picture. Even with your short hair it's working for you!
Quote from: SoraKat on December 04, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
so my phone is a potato, but the other day i dressed up for a dance. i'm not the best judge of my own appearance, but i looked so much not like a guy that it surprised me and made me very happy :) can anyone give me a more objective opinion?
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I think you look great! The only thing that stands out and may make it hard to "pass" would be the adam's apple. I have a female friend from Argentina that you resemble :)
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Curious if I could pass? And any tips are greatly appreciated :)
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Curious if I could pass? And any tips are greatly appreciated :)
Oh! You pass easy! The only advice I can give is to keep doing whatever you're doing! [emoji6]
I think people need to smile in their pics more, hardly anyone does. Everyone looks more feminine when they smile and it is probably something you really really need to pass out in the world.
I most definitely second that! Smile!! You should all be happy! You're all lovely and we'll on your way to being who you were meant to be. Rejoice! And FYI, women smile 90% of the time... now practice. ;)]
Quote from: Harley Quinn on December 05, 2016, 04:13:05 PM
I most definitely second that! Smile!! You should all be happy! You're all lovely and we'll on your way to being who you were meant to be. Rejoice! And FYI, women smile 90% of the time... now practice. ;)]
That's a very good point. Work those smile muscles because if you don't you can get that base line frown thing going. :(
It's good advice, smile, practice smiling, and then smile more. ;D Us girls are expected to smile more, seems a little silly, but I think it's a valid observation.
Edit: Harley, new avatar pic? Is that Wonder Woman? *smiles --- love it*
Why yes it is... it was my Halloween costume. I actually was wearing it when they called me to come pick up my state gender change form from my Doctor's office at the VA. WONDER WOMAN!!! The ladies at the front desk love me. ;)
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Especially the fact that almost everything was made out of aluminum...
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Woo that's sharp!
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Quote from: Harley Quinn on December 05, 2016, 09:29:44 PM
Why yes it is... it was my Halloween costume. I actually was wearing it when they called me to come pick up my state gender change form from my Doctor's office at the VA. WONDER WOMAN!!! The ladies at the front desk love me. ;)
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Especially the fact that almost everything was made out of aluminum...
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Woo that's sharp!
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Yes. It's great!
So, the custom is a kind of DIY.
A drawback is the background. You may ask your friends to take photos.
barbie~~
I'm always smiling.....It does help in passing.
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Quote from: roseyfox on October 21, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
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OMG!! I once dated a girl who looked just like you. :o
And she was amazingly beautiful!
Like, I know I don't really pass yet, but I am starting hrt in March, like 3 days before my birthday. (Fun fact: when my mom was alive, she and my dad both often said the doc and them thought I was a girl. When I came into this world, everyone was shocked I was a boy. This story has always made me feel okay when I had doubts that I am a woman inside.)
Anyway, I didn't get any replies, so let me post some pics and ask a slightly off topic question. Instead of passing, do you guys think I can make it as a beautiful woman? Do you think I am pretty? My curse is I think I am sometimes....but I hate my body so much. If I could just jump into a machine and make adjustments, I totally would, lol. :D
PICS HERE: http://imgur.com/a/r91VC
Also, I noticed I didn't really review any of you either. Sorry, sisters! :( Let me amend that now.
Sinclair
ChristineRachel - Has the most beautiful eyes evah! I am a bit jealous to be honest. You PASS with honors.
Amanda_Combs - Is easily passable. I noticed you went with less make up and you know what is smart about that, is that less is more. Some girls plaster the makeup on, and really you only need a bit to accent the features you have. (Which are very feminine, by the way. <3) I love your tree, girl! May I come over for xmas? ::) You PASS.
Jalynn - You are def cool. I love the wig, which fooled me cause I thought that was your natural hair. You are making me want to go blonde, honey. Wonderfully shapely eye brows. Cute kissy cheeks and a smile that wont quit and could melt the coldest winter into a blissful spring....wtf did I just write? PASS.
josie76 - I think you are here just for support, not to see if you pass, but how often do people compliment you back I wonder? Hmm. I think you have an androgynous look, which is not a bad thing. It means that as a woman, you can embrace your inner tomboy, or totally get all girly girl. You could go frilly, or throw on some jeans and a nice jacket and say, move over world. The tomboy is out. Every person can have a certain look, but has one look they just cant pull off. I think you are a chameleon in that you can rock any look and pass. PASS. P.S. You have such a natural woman's hairline, which is not common.
Jessika - Omg, you pass. Soft, loving eyes. Warm smile with shapely cheeks, that beckon a man's hands to caress. Your natural hair is just...gorgeous. I like black hair, but I am naturally a dark brown with light blonde highlights (yes my hair has blonde in it too in the sunlight and it came from my mother naturally.) Anyway, you PASS.
Eve of chaos - has the body type that screams I am woman. Slender neck, cute lil chin. Cheeks are adorable as fuuu. Your look, is it a hipster look? I think maybe its just who you are, not necessarily hipster though. Your outfit also suggests that maybe you are easy going or artistic? Do you draw or anything? Looking at your pics has made me want to ask questions about you lol. (I know I'm so weird!) You PASS, sweet plush.
SoraKat - so pretty! Are you trouble? Cause you look like fun, but at the same time, TROUBLE. :P Your eyes, nose, and brow ridge area has such a sexy shape to it. You could be the woman you want, Kat. Just embrace it. I threw ALL of my useless guy clothes once I got more girls' clothes. (I actually gave it to goodwill, not the undies tho obviously haha.) Grow your hair out and get some outfits. You'll feel even more free, I guarantee it! I'm going to give you a pass because I can see the potential within you. Just do something for a complete stranger like me. Just find yourself, and love that person. Always work on the you that you want to be. No one is perfect, but we can always raise the bar...and limbo! (Okay, I'm CUT OFF. I'm totally sober too, like what is my deal?)
shelby513 - Are you joking? You PASS. If I saw you in a store, I'd say, "Excuse me, miss?" Or you'd blend in, cause there is nothing alarmingly male about you at all. Those tats just add to it too. I love it. Your brows are sexy and your face shape suggests that when you go out, you don't even need make up on those "in a rush" days. You could go outside and I bet no one looks twice. Your nose is especially fem. Totes loves. <3 PAAAAAASSSSS.
Harley Quinn - Oh snap! Another DC fan in the mix! (I'm all about you girl. Harley, Ivy, and Selina Kyle, my favorite comics. Those girls have such chemistry for crime relationships. Not to mention I liked Batman, but over time started to develop a hardcore daddy fetish with Bats/Bruce Wayne. OMG the skin melts at the thought! :embarrassed:) You are stunning though. Not one thing in your pictures triggers any male alarms, which is my poor way of saying, you look like a natural woman. A WONDERful WOMAN. Your costume kicks ass too! PASS.
I Am Jess - Soft chin, prominent cheek bones, pretty eyes, thin nose, and shapely lips. You. Are. Beautiful. Never forget that. That necklace is just lovely too. ;) PASS
Annushka - I don't think you are here to be rated/reviewed by strangers, but just from your profile pic, you obviously can pull beautiful women for dates, and are very pretty. I'm going to cut this one short and say PASS.
Thanks for reading y'all. This seemed like 1,000 paragraphs long. I just wanted to spread some love and confidence around here. We all get curious and wonder if we have lost our touch, or maybe believe we have been in denial about how beautiful/pretty we look. Maybe no one says it enough. Well you know what? If you think it, and other people do too, then it has to be true. If you feel good about yourself, then that is all that matters. Confidence, smile, and positive attitude can get you further than just plain beauty and you know it. If you can rock these personality traits and be a stunner, well more power to you. Just be sure to not forget others in the world.
Take care, and please give me feedback too! Thanks guys! I get curious about myself too.
I definitely think you're passing! Love the glasses.
Quote from: Eve of chaos on December 03, 2016, 05:24:41 PM
I posted a few pages back but didn't really get any replies. figured I'd try one more time with a couple more recent pics.
hopefully they show up.
looking for any tips on how to pass better. or some critical point outs of what give me away regardless if i can change it or not.
just cant tell if i pass or not.
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Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
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I actually thought you were a female trolling the thread.
Natural pass!
Thank you Dani. Was a very nice write up for everybody. I think you really are passable and have a young Victoria Beckham look. I never thought of blond till a friend showed me a pick that they thought would look good. Ever thought of trying blond highlights?
Quote from: DaniDesu on December 06, 2016, 01:30:27 PM
Like, I know I don't really pass yet, but I am starting hrt in March, like 3 days before my birthday.
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(Fun fact: when my mom was alive, she and my dad both often said the doc and them thought I was a girl. When I came into this world, everyone was shocked I was a boy. This story has always made me feel okay when I had doubts that I am a woman inside.)
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I Am Jess - Soft chin, prominent cheek bones, pretty eyes, thin nose, and shapely lips. You. Are. Beautiful. Never forget that. That necklace is just lovely too. ;) PASS
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We all get curious and wonder if we have lost our touch, or maybe believe we have been in denial about how beautiful/pretty we look. Maybe no one says it enough. Well you know what? If you think it, and other people do too, then it has to be true. If you feel good about yourself, then that is all that matters. Confidence, smile, and positive attitude can get you further than just plain beauty and you know it. If you can rock these personality traits and be a stunner, well more power to you. Just be sure to not forget others in the world.
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Take care, and please give me feedback too! Thanks guys! I get curious about myself too.
Congrats on the start date for HRT. It will be here before you know it.
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My mom and her family told me the same thing.
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Thank you for the complements. I have not had anything done to my chin, lips or cheeks - just nature and HRT. I did have my brow bones reduced and my eyelids fixed (I am 55 after all). My nose got worked on but not for cosmetic purposes. In fact when I went to my doctor to get it checked out he asked me who had done my prior nose job. I told him, GOD. I have been full time for a year and a half and I have no issue passing in real life.
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What you say about "[c]onfidence, smile, and positive attitude" is so right on. I had these from day one and even though I had only been on HRT for a couple month I went full time. I haven't looked back since. Passing is about so much more than looks.....
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I think that you have a fantastic base from which to start. Grow your hair out and practice you makeup skills so that once you are on HRT you can be ready to go full time if that is what you want.
Excellent post girl
Quote from: DaniDesu on December 06, 2016, 01:30:27 PM
Like, I know I don't really pass yet, but I am starting hrt in March, like 3 days before my birthday. (Fun fact: when my mom was alive, she and my dad both often said the doc and them thought I was a girl. When I came into this world, everyone was shocked I was a boy. This story has always made me feel okay when I had doubts that I am a woman inside.)
Anyway, I didn't get any replies, so let me post some pics and ask a slightly off topic question. Instead of passing, do you guys think I can make it as a beautiful woman? Do you think I am pretty? My curse is I think I am sometimes....but I hate my body so much. If I could just jump into a machine and make adjustments, I totally would, lol. :D
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Quote from: DaniDesu on December 06, 2016, 01:30:27 PM
Like, I know I don't really pass yet, but I am starting hrt in March, like 3 days before my birthday. (Fun fact: when my mom was alive, she and my dad both often said the doc and them thought I was a girl. When I came into this world, everyone was shocked I was a boy. This story has always made me feel okay when I had doubts that I am a woman inside.)
Anyway, I didn't get any replies, so let me post some pics and ask a slightly off topic question. Instead of passing, do you guys think I can make it as a beautiful woman? Do you think I am pretty? My curse is I think I am sometimes....but I hate my body so much. If I could just jump into a machine and make adjustments, I totally would, lol. :D
PICS HERE: http://imgur.com/a/r91VC
You're going to be quite the little heart breaker. You remind me of a skater girl. I believe that you could pass easily. You shouldn't be too hard on yourself, and smile. ;) You're going to have no problem turning heads. Congratulations on your start date. It's going to be one heck of a ride for you. The only hard part will be finding your personal style.
On a side note. I love comics, cartoons, and anime. I am more of a Marvel girl. That is actually Cloak and Dagger on my arm. But as long as the characters have a good storyline, I'm in!
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Sometimes I don't smile very big but I don't think that it necessarily affects my ability to pass.
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It seems Photobucket is acting stupid, so here's a link to my Google Photos album with my latest string of selfies over the last month or so.
https://goo.gl/photos/RRncEeYqDkSTcXX48
Thoughts?
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Works for me, lol ;D
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Dani - Your comment towards me was exactly what I needed to hear right now. Thank you SO much!
On your passing, though, I think you do for sure! You definitely strike me as one of the girls that I would see and feel very envious towards. You're very fortunate in that your face looks very feminine with your short hair; I honestly don't think that the length of your hair would ever make passing more difficult.
Thank you Dani, it helps alot to hear comments like that, I get down quiet alot as I am not out,bar to my mother and 2 brothers, so socially and at work, I have to keep up the act. You start getting negative as you often look rough at work, and can't get cleaned up for events. :/
You will deffinitly pass, you have a short feminine face, you just need to grow that hair out girl!
I wish I had the short kind of face! :@
Dani, that was really sweet! Thank you for your comments. I really hadn't been looking for a pass fail for myself. I'm not out in the world yet and am pre HRT. Hopefully really soon though. See my psych next week so hoping for written diagnosis and a letter for the endocrinologist. Diagnosis will make insurance coverage possible for everything else down the road.
I so wish that was my real hair! ;) Lol. It's a wig. I just started letting my own grow out. While I do have all of mine still my front hairline is not where it used to be. I'm hoping when it grows out I can just keep the bangs to cover the hairline. I'll have to wait and see. I do like the color of that wig. My own hair is much darker brown but now with grey, how did I get so old anyway? ::) lol.
You young lady do pass very well. With your short hair you could be seen either as a much younger male or a teen to 20s woman. Honestly I took you for around 19-20. You have a very feminine face for your age. Congrats on that. I know I have a "Roman" shaped nose and a chin I someday want to do something with.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on December 06, 2016, 11:28:27 PM
Thank you Dani, it helps alot to hear comments like that, I get down quiet alot as I am not out,bar to my mother and 2 brothers, so socially and at work, I have to keep up the act. You start getting negative as you often look rough at work, and can't get cleaned up for events. :/
You will deffinitly pass, you have a short feminine face, you just need to grow that hair out girl!
I wish I had the short kind of face! :@
hello! I'm new here and wanted to say wow im blown away by all the beauty here. Just wanted to say Christine that I saw your pictures and you are very beautiful!! Im in love with youre long flowing natural hair and no need to get down about looks, im sure you always look wonderful. I dont think your face is too long at all I think its perfect the way it is. Best wishes to you!! <3
Looks to me that you are doing very well on HRT and no problem as passing as a female I hope to do as well
Quote from: KristinaM on December 06, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
It seems Photobucket is acting stupid, so here's a link to my Google Photos album with my latest string of selfies over the last month or so.
https://goo.gl/photos/RRncEeYqDkSTcXX48
Thoughts?
Please stop being so cute it's annoying.
And yes, obv you pass 100%. In the first photo you could pretend to be a very young man I suppose.
But I find you super cute so I might not be a good judge.
Rofl. ^-^
Aww, you guys! I am so overwhelmed by the feedback! When I first read these, I was like, "What a bunch of great, kick a$$ ladies!" Then I kinda got watery eyed...might have been the mascara, (haha).
I had such a great day at work, I was smiling and singing to myself. (love tlc and beyonce :P) I should say, I work at UPS, and I can drive in 6 months, which is great to be getting there so soon. In my area, it takes pre-loaders about four years to get into part-time or full-time driving. I took my first road test like a month ago, and I did fail...for not using signals, but the point was to see if I was being safe, and I was overall. That's why they only disqualified me for half a year. Which is cool. I have hrt on the way and the holidays to keep me busy till then.
The best part is I no longer have to get my hair cut short, because all my bosses know I am a transgendered person and the male dress code rules no longer apply to me, and the bathroom situation was never really an issue either. Girls all know my name over there and I am pretty sure that I am the only "guy" who can go in there. But, I don't always use the women's bathroom because if the wrong person from UPS's corporate ladder were to see me, they might get upset, and I worry.
Harley, I LOVE Cloak and Dagger. Before the pics seemingly disappeared I got a good look at that tat. (Dagger is nekkid n sexy lol. Badass.) I can also relate to that because I used to have a serious pain pill addiction. For about two-three years of my life, I popped pain pills like no one's business. I was severely depressed about everything, like life in general, and I even did heroin among many other drugs. I spent another three years getting clean and I am clean to this day. Not even a backwards thought at getting back on that train. I used to smoke, honey, I've done it all lol. Anyway, X-Men is my favorite Marvel series. I think there is a comic con coming up and I have no idea who to be. Maybe Daryl from The Walking Dead? Your Wonder Woman was SPOT ON, by the way. :o
Jalynn - No my GOD. You think I am that pretty? If I could pull of what she's got, I'll die happy. As for the highlights in my hair, let me tell you a short story, girlfriend. I was like 14 maybe? A young heart breaker who went by the name of Abby, was living with mom, big brother, and me. I was looking to get highlights in my hair, like streaks, so I had a cool cali/care free style-kind-of-thing going on. Well, she offered happily and I was glad to let her...She had NO skills or experience at all. About 6 hours later the whole top part of my hair was blonde and the bottom my usual dark brown. It looked so weird. I accepted it of course, but I was pretty upset. I thought it looked a little silly, and kids at school were like, "You are trying too hard." Which I wasn't trying to impress anyone, really, I just wanted to dye my hair cause it sounded fun. Abby later got into it with my mom and moved out one day when we were all out at school/work. She left with her boyfriend, Sam and wrote one nasty note to mom...
I Am Jess - you really are something lovely and sweet, Ms. Jess. ;D I do declare! WOOF! (Haha. I kid, I kid. I can't believe you have not had work done. WOW.) Yah, I know some people in my city, who are worried about passing SO much and I understand that, but I don't want to be a woman to pass necessarily. I have to do this cause I am so messed the hell up inside, and think often about how I feel like I should be a girl. I know I am. Look at any of my old pictures in storage and I am SUCH a diva lol. It really all comes down to everyone's personal reason for wanting to change. If you are doing it for superficial reasons, then you might not ever be happy with the results and could cause you a lifetime of trouble and misery. Yes, there is more to being a woman than looks. Honey, it is the inside that wins a real man's heart.
KristinaM - I have no doubt, that with time, and constant moves in the right direction, you will get there. Your natural hair color rocks, your features are soft! Your profile pic already suggests there is a woman on the inside crying out for love and a life of her own. I say let her out, Krissy.
Keyframe - Your style is like part gothic meets the oriental, and I think it clashes together well. Not many people can take two styles and mash em up and make them work. You are magic, Key! :laugh: P.S. if that's your natural hair, being as long and red as it is, is totally making me envious. Ohmygosh, such a good color!
Karlie Ann - Flat out 10/10. Pass. BAM!
Amanda_Combs - Aww, Amanda! Everyone deserves to know how beautiful and unique they are. We is all snowflakes and stuffs. Post more pics, and get out there and show the world who you are. Some people are always going to be skeptical or rude, but I think they do that to people who have killer confidence, and that makes them really mad. I like showing people that I don't break easy, even when things hit a little hard. I brush it off and move on. When things linger however, having a friend really helps to vent to. Sadly, I have no one in that regard, to go shopping with, or have some honest girl-girl talks about dates and guys, but I am career driven at the moment, so that's really just a lack of trying on my part, lol. I'd love to see more of you though, and you can always post here, where its safe and comfortable. I know I'll drop in from time to time. :)
ChristineRachel - Honey, I repressed for like 6 years longer than I should have, when I realized the signs, and all it did was make me a shell of myself and made me really sad. I work in an environment similar to the one you described, (United Parcel Service, what can brown do for you, blah blah lol) and I look rough too, but few girls can really look cleaned up after a hard day. It makes getting home, taking a shower, slipping on some pjs, and drowning in old TV shows so much more worth it. Coming out to coworkers and your boss can be very intimidating because people can react poorly to news that is big. I really think you should tell your boss, or maybe try to get a job where they accept people like us, even if its out of fear of discriminating a large group of wonderful people. Why am I pushing this? Because I know you are beautiful and I think it makes you feel very happy to see yourself dolled up and I want you to be happy expressing this side of you. It would be a shame if you let it all go. Honestly, if you told me you couldn't let yourself out, that breaks my heart. BE honest. BE you. Beauty deserves her castle with her prince, you know?
josie76 - So do you think hormones will affect my body like I am a 20 year old? I know I'm 26, but I wonder being a late bloomer, if it can affect my body like a 20 year old. I have gone through puberty, unfortunately, so the best time for me to change, I fear is gone baby, gone. I know hormones will still work on me, but I would like the most out of it. Being more woman is the goal here. Also, I swear that is your real hair, lol! It wouldn't be so hard to get your natural hair to that level though. Really, you could rock so many styles, there is no limit, so why would I suggest you put a lid on this thing, anyway?
Thanks again for all of the feed back you guys! It really made my day, and will stick with me for a while. Speaking of sticking around, I'd be glad to comment on anyone else here who hasn't posted yet. I don't have a lot of time right now, but I will later and pretty much twice a day, I check up here so...DON'T BE SHY.
Talk to some men today, baby! Get dressed up and do how you do! Go flirt your hearts out. (I've totally been looking for the right guy myself, but every guy I talk to...well...its not hard to see they just want sex. I am not a sex doll. I am a love machine. I would rather get cuddled than be pummeled, lmao!) Bye, girls! TTYL
If you want longer hair but don't want to wait, try some extensions. Fairly cheap at the beauty supply. Your natural hair is long enough to cover up the seams that hold the hair. http://secretextensions.co.uk/hair-extensions-before-and-after-london/ check it out.
Dani would you ever do Youtube video's? Your super entertaining with what you write and have the patience to write a chapter at a time.
How long does your hair need to be before extensions are an option?
Quote from: DawnOday on December 07, 2016, 01:31:33 PM
If you want longer hair but don't want to wait, try some extensions. Fairly cheap at the beauty supply. Your natural hair is long enough to cover up the seams that hold the hair. http://secretextensions.co.uk/hair-extensions-before-and-after-london/ check it out.
Ashley
Look at the pictures as it gives a good illustration of what length you need. Some of the ladies started out with somewhat short hair. Just Google, "Short hair extensions Before and After. This girls hair was only 1 cm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdtFCRJBqVE
Quote from: Sowilo on December 07, 2016, 04:48:32 AM
hello! I'm new here and wanted to say wow im blown away by all the beauty here. Just wanted to say Christine that I saw your pictures and you are very beautiful!! Im in love with youre long flowing natural hair and no need to get down about looks, im sure you always look wonderful. I dont think your face is too long at all I think its perfect the way it is. Best wishes to you!! <3
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Thank you Sowilo, I do love my hair, one of my main assets :3
Thanks for those comments!, they are much appreciated.
Aw Dani, I'm sorry you had to repress it for so long, I did the same, I told my mum first at 20, It was this year at 25 in March, I seen my Therapist for the first time, and in July I started my hormones, it worked out as I am living on my own now and turned 26 in May.
I spent 5 years after I told my mum, trying to repress it again, she was not cool with it. I knew for years and years before that too.
We have all done it, it is the plight of us all :/
But so happy for the younger generations who can be much more open about who they are.
I am relatively young, but my parents wher very old fashioned and it has left scars on all 4 of us siblings.
Anyway enough of the gloomy stuff, we are all beautiful in our own ways, inside and out. We just need a chance and love in our lives and in our hearts.
Thank you all :)
Quote from: ChristineRachel on December 07, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
Thank you Sowilo, I do love my hair, one of my main assets :3
Thanks for those comments!, they are much appreciated.
Aw Dani, I'm sorry you had to repress it for so long, I did the same, I told my mum first at 20, It was this year at 25 in March, I seen my Therapist for the first time, and in July I started my hormones, it worked out as I am living on my own now and turned 26 in May.
I spent 5 years after I told my mum, trying to repress it again, she was not cool with it. I knew for years and years before that too.
We have all done it, it is the plight of us all :/
But so happy for the younger generations who can be much more open about who they are.
I am relatively young, but my parents wher very old fashioned and it has left scars on all 4 of us siblings.
Anyway enough of the gloomy stuff, we are all beautiful in our own ways, inside and out. We just need a chance and love in our lives and in our hearts.
Thank you all :)
its my pleasure, thanks for sharing you're beauty! if it helps you at all i have internal conflict about being curious about same sex as im religous and everything. so i understand your struggle. hugs, you are free to talk to me , if you ever need an ear.
So here are a few newish pictures of me... I'm just over 8mths HRT.. how am I doing?
At Work Today
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At end of day at work
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Getting ready for work today
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At Work few weeks ago
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On train in to work last week
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aww you are such a KO! you remind me a lot of a friend i used to have a thing for who I think looks a lot like ally sheedy :)
Quote from: Sowilo on December 07, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
aww you are such a KO! you remind me a lot of a friend i used to have a thing for who I think looks a lot like ally sheedy :)
Awww thank you much ;)
Quote from: GiaFarrell on December 07, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Awww thank you much ;)
my plasure and youre doing great! very pro looking :) hows youre day today gia?
Quote from: DaniDesu on December 07, 2016, 01:07:16 PM
I would rather get cuddled than be pummeled, lmao!) Bye, girls! TTYL
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: lmao ... Love it, so true
Your coming along nicely. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: GiaFarrell on December 07, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
So here are a few newish pictures of me... I'm just over 8mths HRT.. how am I doing?
At Work Today
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Getting ready for work today
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At Work few weeks ago
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On train in to work last week
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Quote from: Confetti on September 05, 2016, 05:57:08 PM
and my usual black/grey ombre:
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Still unsure if I would pass yet but i'm
Soooo frustrated with myself that I can't bring myself to come out, I don't know whats stopping me and why there is a barrier. :(
Wow! You look a lot like Ariana Grande in this photo. Yeah, you definitely pass, girl. ;)
I am quite speechless. You are all such beautiful ladies. I'm hoping to be there, someday. Good stuff! ;D
Quote from: Ange on December 07, 2016, 06:04:07 AM
Please stop being so cute it's annoying.
And yes, obv you pass 100%. In the first photo you could pretend to be a very young man I suppose.
But I find you super cute so I might not be a good judge.
Rofl. ^-^
So, I haven't stalked your posts on the forums yet to find more photos of you (<3), but I think you're super cute too just from looking at your profile pic! I've been full time for a year now, HRT for 18 months, and get compliments all the time now from strangers. It's weird hearing them and it's taken me a couple months now to start getting used to the idea that maybe they're right. 30 years of living as a boy can really cloud your self-image. 6 months ago it was different though. I think the voice, attitude, mannerisms, confidence, and how I carry myself are finally become automatic/permanent as I just go out each day and live my life without thinking about it!
I could probably pretend to be a boy if I let my facial hair grow out for about a week and groom it well, pull my hair back under that baseball cap, and wear horribly baggy boy clothes, yuck!
So, ahm, where do you live? Maybe we can get coffee. ;)
Quote from: GiaFarrell on December 07, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
So here are a few newish pictures of me... I'm just over 8mths HRT.. how am I doing?
At Work Today
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Getting ready for work today
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At Work few weeks ago
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On train in to work last week
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Extremely well 100% pass well done !!
Quote from: GiaFarrell on December 07, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
So here are a few newish pictures of me... I'm just over 8mths HRT.. how am I doing?
At Work Today
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIorJ8fr.jpg&hash=9db87e149c477c2dd2dc70a7d0b461ec1a5dd54c)
At end of day at work
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Getting ready for work today
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At Work few weeks ago
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On train in to work last week
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you are looking so curvy...do you have any diet? It is looking so feminine in short time..
Quote from: KristinaM on December 07, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
So, I haven't stalked your posts on the forums yet to find more photos of you (<3), but I think you're super cute too just from looking at your profile pic! I've been full time for a year now, HRT for 18 months, and get compliments all the time now from strangers. It's weird hearing them and it's taken me a couple months now to start getting used to the idea that maybe they're right. 30 years of living as a boy can really cloud your self-image. 6 months ago it was different though. I think the voice, attitude, mannerisms, confidence, and how I carry myself are finally become automatic/permanent as I just go out each day and live my life without thinking about it!
I could probably pretend to be a boy if I let my facial hair grow out for about a week and groom it well, pull my hair back under that baseball cap, and wear horribly baggy boy clothes, yuck!
So, ahm, where do you live? Maybe we can get coffee. ;)
Yup, the feeling when you finally are used to it, stop giving a damn, and everything works even better. :3
After 1 year+ on laser I finally intend to switch to electro, which means I've been watching my "beard" grow for 2 monthes now... Yuck indeed. Still the beard is thin and rare, invisible from afar, so people keep gendering me ma'am... whatever. xD
A lot of trans still see the "pre-transition" self in the mirror which makes it difficult for them to realize they are doing well. I have this problem too from time to time - I look in the mirror and realize I'm super ugly and masculine :D Most of the time it's just my mood.
I live in Paris, so quite far away from you sadly. A coffee would have been nice. ^-^
Quote from: NadiaGulNihal on December 08, 2016, 07:08:46 AM
you are looking so curvy...do you have any diet? It is looking so feminine in short time..
Thanks much!
Weight wise, I started out 235lbs and lost weight over first 6 mths prior to starting HRT.. I weighed 190lbs when I started HRT in April, and now weigh about 180lbs. I'm not sure if the curves are from residual weight or just genetics, but they're there. I'd like to lose another 15 lbs or so to be just under 170.
Quote from: Ange on December 08, 2016, 08:28:55 AM
A lot of trans still see the "pre-transition" self in the mirror which makes it difficult for them to realize they are doing well. I have this problem too from time to time - I look in the mirror and realize I'm super ugly and masculine :D Most of the time it's just my mood.
It's hard to shake seeing "him" in the mirror sometimes.. it's like the mind flips back and forth randomly. I think over time it'll be more and more rare, but its probably always there somewhat.. It sucks when it happens 8(
Mariah - Thanks so much ;)
Markie - I feel like I somewhat pass maybe from 10ft or so, but closeup wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. Voice is also still a big thing for me.
Super cute!!! I love the hair, cowlneck and skirt together.
With warmth,
Joanna
Quote from: GiaFarrell on December 07, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
So here are a few newish pictures of me... I'm just over 8mths HRT.. how am I doing?
At Work Today
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIorJ8fr.jpg&hash=9db87e149c477c2dd2dc70a7d0b461ec1a5dd54c)
At end of day at work
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Getting ready for work today
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At Work few weeks ago
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On train in to work last week
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You look fantastic Gia! You could never guess from these pics your past.
So natural too
Quote from: ChristineRachel on December 08, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
You look fantastic Gia! You could never guess from these pics your past.
So natural too
Thanks for feedback! 8) I think I'm a work in progress, but getting there..
Quote from: Harley Quinn on December 06, 2016, 04:47:08 PM
You're going to be quite the little heart breaker. You remind me of a skater girl. I believe that you could pass easily. You shouldn't be too hard on yourself, and smile. ;) You're going to have no problem turning heads. Congratulations on your start date. It's going to be one heck of a ride for you. The only hard part will be finding your personal style.
On a side note. I love comics, cartoons, and anime. I am more of a Marvel girl. That is actually Cloak and Dagger on my arm. But as long as the characters have a good storyline, I'm in!
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You mean to tell me there are comic book fangirls here??? (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161208%2Fa82af06012dce83fa300daa369fde521.jpg&hash=b1f88dd9f0ed2c7103862e541e6a3c579f0de9a3)
just started month 6 :) do i pass?(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv510%2Fflexibob%2Fsora6m._zps8bbbfpgz.jpg&hash=cd2c28ec2ce005d68e77d5accdc8a957125b95ed)
Quote from: Joanna50 on December 08, 2016, 09:40:37 AM
Super cute!!! I love the hair, cowlneck and skirt together.
With warmth,
Joanna
Thanks ;) I bought cowlneck at Kohls and skirt on clearance at Loft.. Hair I got cut and colored weekend before my first day at work FT.. I love it but want it longer..
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Do I look at least decent?
Quote from: Korra- on December 08, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
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Do I look at least decent?
More than decent! You look fantastic and pass without question!
Quote from: GiaFarrell on December 08, 2016, 08:52:07 AM
Mariah - Thanks so much ;)
Markie - I feel like I somewhat pass maybe from 10ft or so, but closeup wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. Voice is also still a big thing for me.
Gia maybe thats a confidence issue because i had alook at the last one the close of you smiling and i can't see anything masculine
Just a very happy girl and your body shape is good too with that smile you come across as very feminine and attractive
With the voice yes that might be the only marker we had a beautiful transwoman come into the shop the other day i picked up on her voice ( she was not trying to hide too much) but other than that my friend sarah remarked how beautiful she was ,
There is always voice surgery as i can see you don't need any ffs etc ....you're very lucky :)
Korra, you look beautiful!
Your hair is so long too, can't wait to get ther!
http://imgur.com/a/HhCkT
So I posted a few pictures around a year ago, when I was still wearing my wig. By now my hair has grown quite a bit, if I may say so.
I will start hormones in 11 days, so these are probably the last pre-everthything pictures.
Share your comments pls! Thnx :)
Emma
Emma, you're PRE-HRT? Damnation, girl! From those photos I originally thought you'd been on HRT for a year or so. You're going to do fine.
Quote from: Korra- on December 08, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
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Do I look at least decent?
Oh my god girl, we look very alike :D
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on December 08, 2016, 04:53:00 PM
You mean to tell me there are comic book fangirls here??? (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161208%2Fa82af06012dce83fa300daa369fde521.jpg&hash=b1f88dd9f0ed2c7103862e541e6a3c579f0de9a3)
I'm a comic book fan girl too, but i've been lazy and lately just kept to watching the shows instead of reading the actual comics lol.
Korra
Look decent? I only wish I looked so decent. You're stunning.
Quote from: Michelle_P on December 09, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
Emma, you're PRE-HRT? Damnation, girl! From those photos I originally thought you'd been on HRT for a year or so. You're going to do fine.
Such nice words! Makes my day! Thank you! ^^ Looking forward to my start of HRT! :)
Oh, heck. All right, go for it.
Do I pass as a ciswoman yet? I don't think I'm doing too badly for a 63 year old. I've got Mom's nose and chin[emoji6].
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Come to think of it, I look a lot like Mom did at this age. I'm taller and heavier, but looking at this snap and an old shot of Mom is a little unsettling.
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Hi Michelle,
My very honest perception, no sugarcoating:
I like the hair, and the clothing choices. Very nice I must say... for your age you look good! I would say you should pass in public, but some might question. But remember, I am deep into FFS and I notice things that others (non T folks) don't. From my point of view, you can pass in public for the most part. The only area that might distort this perception would be the nose. I don't know if you are interested at all in FFS, if not, ignore this. But a rhinoplasty would help and probably shift you from mostly passing, to completely passing in my opinion. Again, I look with the eye of someone who has had FFS, and I know every tiny detail about faces, so I look for them instead of absorbing the whole.
For passing in any situation, I would only suggest the nose. Passing and beautiful are two different things. I think you would look absolutely beautiful with two FFS procures: The nose and chin. I might say, that with only two procedures you are lucky. I had to do it all. ;D
Quote from: ChristineRachel on December 07, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
Thank you Sowilo, I do love my hair, one of my main assets :3
Thanks for those comments!, they are much appreciated.
Aw Dani, I'm sorry you had to repress it for so long, I did the same, I told my mum first at 20, It was this year at 25 in March, I seen my Therapist for the first time, and in July I started my hormones, it worked out as I am living on my own now and turned 26 in May.
I spent 5 years after I told my mum, trying to repress it again, she was not cool with it. I knew for years and years before that too.
We have all done it, it is the plight of us all :/
But so happy for the younger generations who can be much more open about who they are.
I am relatively young, but my parents wher very old fashioned and it has left scars on all 4 of us siblings.
Anyway enough of the gloomy stuff, we are all beautiful in our own ways, inside and out. We just need a chance and love in our lives and in our hearts.
Thank you all :)
thanks for the PM! I apparently need more post to reply but I will reply top your pm when i can. Take care!
Quote from: Michelle_P on December 09, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
Oh, heck. All right, go for it.
Do I pass as a ciswoman yet? I don't think I'm doing too badly for a 63 year old. I've got Mom's nose and chin[emoji6].
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Come to think of it, I look a lot like Mom did at this age. I'm taller and heavier, but looking at this snap and an old shot of Mom is a little unsettling.
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For a 63 year old you look awesome! :) I know it is harder when you are a little bit older. Starting at the age of 29 is a blessing for me. But... you look damn good aswell miss :)
QuoteFor a 63 year old you look awesome! :) I know it is harder when you are a little bit older. Starting at the age of 29 is a blessing for me. But... you look damn good aswell miss :)
Aww, thanks. Alas, 2cherry is right. I got the nose and chin from Mom (and Dad's hairline :P ), but those need work. I'm using some light contouring tricks in that photo to try and reduce the nose a little. Heavier, and the contouring looks very odd and obvious from some angles. I also am using a trick around the eyes so they don't look so deeply set, a concealer lighter than my foundation.
Rhinoplasty (nose), blepharoplasty (eyelids), narrowing genioplasty (chin), and chondrolaryngoplasty (Adam's apple) are in my future. And maybe tighten things up, Doc? I have a shopping list... If they could just bring the hairline forward 9-10 inches... ;). If Kaiser isn't willing, a nice vacation in Thailand might be in order.
Michelle,
You look terrific. Congratulations!
One thought: As the president, I hope the membership of your Ameteur Radio club have the ability to appreciate your progress. Being a Ham, having been in this hobby for most of my life, I'd guess it could go either way. Hams are a really nice bunch of people but mostly older pretty conventional "guys," arguably in a hobby that could be considered one of those hypermasculine ones. That said, there are women in the radio hobby; more as time passes. You are increasing the ranks. Another round of congratulations!
Steph
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Ok here's me pre-everything except 90 minutes of make over at Sephora.
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With fake hair from a makeover app.
Quote from: Michelle_P on December 09, 2016, 11:06:37 PM
Aww, thanks. Alas, 2cherry is right. I got the nose and chin from Mom (and Dad's hairline :P ), but those need work. I'm using some light contouring tricks in that photo to try and reduce the nose a little. Heavier, and the contouring looks very odd and obvious from some angles. I also am using a trick around the eyes so they don't look so deeply set, a concealer lighter than my foundation.
Rhinoplasty (nose), blepharoplasty (eyelids), narrowing genioplasty (chin), and chondrolaryngoplasty (Adam's apple) are in my future. And maybe tighten things up, Doc? I have a shopping list... If they could just bring the hairline forward 9-10 inches... ;). If Kaiser isn't willing, a nice vacation in Thailand might be in order.
I think decades ago, there would not be a problem. But people are educated and can spot a trans more quicker than ever, because they know what to look for now. Which increases the pressure for us to break the mold and aim higher. Besides this, this intense focus on beauty in these times is problematic for almost any woman. It's expected you look your best these days, while a few decades ago you would look gorgeous if you were average. It's crazy, but what can we do... the bar is raised too high with all this photoshopping.
I could have passed 100% without FFS in 1990. But today, without FFS, even when I thought I looked average people clocked me. They've been exposed to trans phenomenon too much.
Thanks for the kind words everyone they really made me smile. I'm still unsure about how I look so I get really nervous sometimes.
Quote from: 2cherry on December 10, 2016, 12:02:09 PM
I think decades ago, there would not be a problem. But people are educated and can spot a trans more quicker than ever, because they know what to look for now. Which increases the pressure for us to break the mold and aim higher.
...
I could have passed 100% without FFS in 1990. But today, without FFS, even when I thought I looked average people clocked me. They've been exposed to trans phenomenon too much.
I agree completely with this. On the one hand, if you get clocked, people are more likely to be ok with it - because society is more accepting of trans people. On the other hand, you're more likely to get clocked in the first place - because the general public is so much more aware of trans people and know what to look for. It is harder than ever to pass these days.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on December 11, 2016, 02:50:41 AM
I agree completely with this. On the one hand, if you get clocked, people are more likely to be ok with it - because society is more accepting of trans people. On the other hand, you're more likely to get clocked in the first place - because the general public is so much more aware of trans people and know what to look for. It is harder than ever to pass these days.
Yes. A few years ago, a young lady approached me in a beach, asking boldly whether I am transgender. She said I am too tall, and there was a 'transgender bar', in which I have never been.
While I visited San Diego of the US a month ago, I felt a kind of the same feeling, but nobody mentioned it. At a wal-mart store, an old man behind me asked "how tall are you?", although I was wearing flat sandals. At a public restroom in a park, an old lady suddenly blocked me in the entrance, just commenting I am so much tall. I was a little bit startled, but she did not mention anything like 'transgender'.
barbie~~
You look great Korra- . You should switch to fab thread ;)
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Rachel, you are a punk rock babe. Total pass.
Quote from: TonyaW on December 10, 2016, 07:16:48 AM
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Ok here's me pre-everything except 90 minutes of make over at Sephora.
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With fake hair from a makeover app.
Hi Tonya,
I think you have a lot of potential with HRT. You have a feminine/androgynous look right now. The second pic with the app hair doesn't really help. The hair looks too fake. You might want to try a wig. I always think it's good to show your ears too, maybe add some clip-on earrings.
I hope this helps.
Paige :)
Quote from: Paige on December 12, 2016, 01:13:03 PM
Hi Tonya,
I think you have a lot of potential with HRT. You have a feminine/androgynous look right now. The second pic with the app hair doesn't really help. The hair looks too fake. You might want to try a wig. I always think it's good to show your ears too, maybe add some clip-on earrings.
I hope this helps.
Paige :)
Hi Paige
Thanks for the input
Very much looking forward to HRT but that won't start until February at earliest.
The fake hair was mostly playing with color and style. I know it looks awful and fake in the picture. Not sure why I posted it.
I do have my ears pierced but can't see that in the picture. It was only abut 2 weeks after the piercing. I can and do wear earrings other than the starters now.
Hi gurls been awhile been lifeing update 9 months
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Does my face pass without makeup? Please be honest.
I have hyperpigmentation on my neck area from shaving in my teens and I'm trying to fix it rn with laser and lightening neck creams. However I was wondering can I still go without makeup and pass.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on December 12, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
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Does my face pass without makeup? Please be honest.
I have hyperpigmentation on my neck area from shaving in my teens and I'm trying to fix it rn with laser and lightening neck creams. However I was wondering can I still go without makeup and pass.
To me you look androgynous without makeup.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on December 12, 2016, 09:54:26 PM
To me you look androgynous without makeup.
Okay thank you.
Is there anything you think I can improve on without makeup? Is my hyperigmentarion bad?
Quote from: PrincessPatience on December 12, 2016, 09:58:16 PM
Okay thank you.
Is there anything you think I can improve on without makeup? Is my hyperigmentarion bad?
the hyperpigmentation isn't that noticeable. I don't really see anything you can improve on. Idk if your on hormones or not, but if not or are early on then in a year or 2 you will pass fully.
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Does my face pass without makeup? Please be honest.
I have hyperpigmentation on my neck area from shaving in my teens and I'm trying to fix it rn with laser and lightening neck creams. However I was wondering can I still go without makeup and pass.
would say you pass 100% Would not think otherwise unless the voice were masculine :3
I think you pass Patience! I don't see the hyperpigmentation?
And good job on the hair growth!
I had black friends in School, girls, and it annoyed me to no end that they would never let it grow. Haha though it is apparently a torture.
Your hair looks amazing! :) and lips, are so full they are stunning! :3
The hyperpigmentation is not that noticeable, and it most certainly is not a gender-defining feature. I would not worry about it that much if I were you. Of more concern should be your facial hair. The facial hair on your upper lip and chin are very obvious to me. Once you get rid of that (with electrolysis), I think you will do wonderfully as your other facial features are quite feminine already.
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Does my face pass without makeup? Please be honest.
I have hyperpigmentation on my neck area from shaving in my teens and I'm trying to fix it rn with laser and lightening neck creams. However I was wondering can I still go without makeup and pass.
You've got some very nice features: a relatively small jaw and chin, the small height of your upper lip, and though you've got some brow bossing at least it's not hiding your eyes. Your hair goes a long way.
But the beard shadow, well, you're gonna need electrolysis for that, which you should really start immediately, as it typically takes 18 months to 2 years on average to complete; until then, I'd stick with the makeup.
Quote from: RachelsMantra on December 12, 2016, 09:34:07 AM
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Heck, whatever you're doing it's working. You're best looking lady I've seen on Susan's in recent memory.
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you look female to me.
To everyone who is posting pictures:
Sorry, but if you have visible facial hair, you do not pass. (and isn't that what this thread topic is about?) Facial hair just makes everything else moot, even if you look feminine otherwise. You'll need to do laser or electrolysis for permanent hair removal, depending on your hair color and skin tone. Facial hair removal is often one of the longest processes in a transition. You need to start yesterday. Don't delay!
If you're still in the process of removing facial hair, or if you can't afford it, or if you otherwise can't remove it permanently for whatever reason, don't despair! There are temporary coverage options. I recommend heavy duty concealers like Ben Nye Five O'Sharp Beard Cover. For full coverage, try Dermablend products. They work really well.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on December 13, 2016, 11:44:55 AM
To everyone who is posting pictures:
Sorry, but if you have visible facial hair, you do not pass. (and isn't that what this thread topic is about?) Facial hair just makes everything else moot, even if you look feminine otherwise. You'll need to do laser or electrolysis for permanent hair removal, depending on your hair color and skin tone. Facial hair removal is often one of the longest processes in a transition. You need to start yesterday. Don't delay!
If you're still in the process of removing facial hair, or if you can't afford it, or if you otherwise can't remove it permanently for whatever reason, don't despair! There are temporary coverage options. I recommend heavy duty concealers like Ben Nye Five O'Sharp Beard Cover. For full coverage, try Dermablend products. They work really well.
All my facial hair turned white :3 there for it hard to notice
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on December 13, 2016, 11:44:55 AM
Facial hair removal is often one of the longest processes in a transition. You need to start yesterday. Don't delay!
This!! I started electrolysis before I started HRT. I am almost 2 years into the the process (155 hours) and I still have many more to go. Electrolysis is going to end up being the single most expensive part of my transition. Start early, go often and get it done. Facial hair is the only thing left bothering me.
I'm coming up on 50 hours next week, and my electrolyst and I figure I'm about at the 1/4 done point. We're hoping to get an initial 'all clear' in another 10 four hour sessions, perhaps late spring, and then start scaling back the hours as we harvest the new crops of awakened follicles. Another couple years and I'm home free, after spending almost as much as SRS will cost in the USA.
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Rachel and Rosey, you both make me so jealous! [emoji12]
Not only are you unquestionably female; but also very pretty!
...Anyway here's my current look. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2Ffa6383da3e6ada5bcc3ab4705680f01f.jpg&hash=c87a85b9e551a178c89c9d74c404a43030d1d568)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2F26081c9e276f624fa162c553b2a17199.jpg&hash=8a3ddc8f932b1e92f56e17638cd0d37034bcf8f1)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2F245ef8ab007f9b66f63e80b1bf4a0986.jpg&hash=e8e8ad2672edfc1268c6154a5fc8b909b3248083)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2F1ce2259636c5bd931fe13f526de7df8f.jpg&hash=dcbf4bdf4674984d68e05ad2e42eb836d8211424)
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I don't pass as of yet... and really don't even try. I'm pre everything, so right now I'm a very androgynous glam rock guy... lol
But my landlord called me and asked who the woman was coming in using my key. She saw me on a security web cam. I had to tell her it was me. She sounded confused. lol (we never met in person... she lives in Ohio).
So yay! ;D
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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on December 12, 2016, 10:42:32 PM
the hyperpigmentation isn't that noticeable. I don't really see anything you can improve on. Idk if your on hormones or not, but if not or are early on then in a year or 2 you will pass fully.
I've been transitioning (medically) for 3 years now going on 4 in 2017 but thank you. I normal don't look like this that when i go out.
Quote from: Sophia Sage on December 13, 2016, 12:26:42 AM
You've got some very nice features: a relatively small jaw and chin, the small height of your upper lip, and though you've got some brow bossing at least it's not hiding your eyes. Your hair goes a long way.
But the beard shadow, well, you're gonna need electrolysis for that, which you should really start immediately, as it typically takes 18 months to 2 years on average to complete; until then, I'd stick with the makeup.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on December 13, 2016, 12:21:55 AM
The hyperpigmentation is not that noticeable, and it most certainly is not a gender-defining feature. I would not worry about it that much if I were you. Of more concern should be your facial hair. The facial hair on your upper lip and chin are very obvious to me. Once you get rid of that (with electrolysis), I think you will do wonderfully as your other facial features are quite feminine already.
Thank you guys for the feed back but yeah the beard area is my face shaven sadly. Its the hyper-pigmentation from shaving that you see. I been going to get laser treatment since early 2015. Hmmm.. Maybe i should try electrolysis but i heard it doesn't work on African American skin? I guess i should stick with makeup until i can fix it.
This how i normally look with makeup on.
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Quote from: ChristineRachel on December 12, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
I think you pass Patience! I don't see the hyperpigmentation?
And good job on the hair growth!
I had black friends in School, girls, and it annoyed me to no end that they would never let it grow. Haha though it is apparently a torture.
Your hair looks amazing! :) and lips, are so full they are stunning! :3
Really? It's by my upper lip and chin but thanks! I try taking care of my hair and I hate wigs! Your face is flawless too. :D
Laser may not work on dark skin because the skin absorbed the light. Electrolysis works on everybody but it's costly, slow and painful. Laser wasn't available when I had my facial hair removed so it was all done with electrolysis. It took about 200 hours and other than a few escapees, my face has remained clear for 30 years.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on December 13, 2016, 08:51:01 PM
Thank you guys for the feed back but yeah the beard area is my face shaven sadly. Its the hyper-pigmentation from shaving that you see. I been going to get laser treatment since early 2015. Hmmm.. Maybe i should try electrolysis but i heard it doesn't work on African American skin? I guess i should stick with makeup until i can fix it.
No, you have it backwards. It's laser hair removal that doesn't work on African American skin. You need to be doing electrolysis, not laser, for hair removal.
The way laser hair removal works: the energy from the laser is absorbed by the dark hairs. But in your case, you have dark skin, so your skin is absorbing the laser's energy instead of your hair. So what ends up happening is that there isn't enough energy to kill the hair follicle (because your skin is absorbing a lot of the energy instead).
Conversely, a white woman with blonde hair will have poor results with laser because the blonde hair isn't dark enough to absorb the laser's energy. Laser works best for people with light skin and black hair. (for example, Asians).
As a black woman, you are pretty much throwing your money away by doing laser hair removal. You'll really only get lasting results with electrolysis (and it won't ruin your skin in the process like laser would). Ugh... your laser hair removal technician should have told you all this and been honest with you, telling you upfront that you're not a good candidate for laser... instead she just wanted your money and did what was basically an ineffective hair removal treatment on you. Or maybe she is incompetent or ignorant and just didn't know. Either way it doesn't reflect well on her.
Quote from: PrincessPatience on December 13, 2016, 08:51:01 PM
I've been transitioning (medically) for 3 years now going on 4 in 2017 but thank you. I normal don't look like this that when i go out.
Thank you guys for the feed back but yeah the beard area is my face shaven sadly. Its the hyper-pigmentation from shaving that you see. I been going to get laser treatment since early 2015. Hmmm.. Maybe i should try electrolysis but i heard it doesn't work on African American skin? I guess i should stick with makeup until i can fix it.
This how i normally look with makeup on.
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Really? It's by my upper lip and chin but thanks! I try taking care of my hair and I hate wigs! Your face is flawless too. :D
You look good both with and without makeup! If I saw you in public I would have no idea.
Quote from: Amanda_Combs on December 13, 2016, 12:37:35 PM
Rachel and Rosey, you both make me so jealous! [emoji12]
Not only are you unquestionably female; but also very pretty!
...Anyway here's my current look. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2Ffa6383da3e6ada5bcc3ab4705680f01f.jpg&hash=c87a85b9e551a178c89c9d74c404a43030d1d568)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2F26081c9e276f624fa162c553b2a17199.jpg&hash=8a3ddc8f932b1e92f56e17638cd0d37034bcf8f1)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2F245ef8ab007f9b66f63e80b1bf4a0986.jpg&hash=e8e8ad2672edfc1268c6154a5fc8b909b3248083)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161213%2F1ce2259636c5bd931fe13f526de7df8f.jpg&hash=dcbf4bdf4674984d68e05ad2e42eb836d8211424)
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thank you very much and your coming along very nicely. I love the lipstick!!!!
Quote from: Michelle_P on December 13, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
I'm coming up on 50 hours next week, and my electrolyst and I figure I'm about at the 1/4 done point. We're hoping to get an initial 'all clear' in another 10 four hour sessions, perhaps late spring, and then start scaling back the hours as we harvest the new crops of awakened follicles. Another couple years and I'm home free, after spending almost as much as SRS will cost in the USA.
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in my opinion you shuld make eyebrow reduction, its make your eyes bigger
Thanks, Anistasija, that's on the list for next year, along with ear piercing. I'm building lists of things to do when my name/gender marker change goes through, and when the divorce is final, a couple of significant events for me next year.
Edit: Note that these things will be done as my idea of a little celebration. If something actually bothered me, I'd address it at once. I view threading my eyebrows and getting the piercings as fun activities to try out. Yes, even if slightly painful, I think of them as fun... Heh, I suppose THAT says something about me...
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you do not have to wait until the new year, go to a beautician and just do it. I have a rule that you have to do tomorrow, do today. You'll see a new yourself, and you will not be able to move away from the mirror
I haven't had HRT or hair removal so I just put lipstick on my 5 o clock shadow to cancel it out for the most part. I already went out in femme dress all day having only started this summer. Subjectively do I think I pass? Probably no? but looking back in pictures I see I made some serious gains. So I'm not discouraged. 2017 is my year!
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Quote from: JMJW on December 14, 2016, 07:52:55 PM
I haven't had HRT or hair removal so I just put lipstick on my 5 o clock shadow to cancel it out for the most part. I already went out in femme dress all day having only started this summer. Subjectively do I think I pass? Probably no? but looking back in pictures I see I made some serious gains. So I'm not discouraged. 2017 is my year!
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You look fairly feminine considering you haven't started hrt. Good job with the lipstick too, practice putting on foundation and a bit of concealer while you wait to start hrt and it'll go a long way to improving your look. Really good base to work off of though!
Quote from: PrincessPatience on December 13, 2016, 08:51:01 PM
I've been transitioning (medically) for 3 years now going on 4 in 2017 but thank you. I normal don't look like this that when i go out.
Thank you guys for the feed back but yeah the beard area is my face shaven sadly. Its the hyper-pigmentation from shaving that you see. I been going to get laser treatment since early 2015. Hmmm.. Maybe i should try electrolysis but i heard it doesn't work on African American skin? I guess i should stick with makeup until i can fix it.
This how i normally look with makeup on.
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Really? It's by my upper lip and chin but thanks! I try taking care of my hair and I hate wigs! Your face is flawless too. :D
Hello,
I figured it was hyper-pigmentation because I have the same, but not as dark and I flipping hate it!! Laser does work on dark skin. The laser tech has to use a certain laser though. It has to be a YAG. I had electrolysis done first but I wanted full face clearings so after about 75hrs of electro, I went to laser which worked the best for me. I am dark skinned as well, check the a few pages back in this thread for my pics, and as you can see, there is no hair on my face or neck and only a faint hyper-pigmentation above my lip and mid cheeks. I only shave like once every 3 weeks and that is for like 15 hairs spread out among my face. Which is less than most cis-woman. A few of my girl/friends grow mustaches and have to wax, shave, etc... So I'm happy. I actually believe the darkness left on my skin is from the electro tech and not from shaving because it correlates to the areas where I had electro. Keep in mind though that laser is permanent hair reduction not removal, but most of my hair hasn't grown back since the 6th session sooooooo yeah it works really well :)
By the way... I'm super envious of your lips!!!!
Was trying to take a couple pics more in focus with a blond wig, a couple spots of cover-up and lipstick.
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Jalynn, you pass with the sunshades, I wouldn't be able to clock you as trans, but without them you don't quite, although it is very close. I think you could pass if you wore a wig with a fringe that covers your brow more.
Thanks. Maybe someday a brow reduction and I might be able to. Next time I will try a couple pics with eye liner/eye shadow. Definitely need more practice lol
Rosa would like your opinion what ffs should i het. I got my most male and unflattering pics for you to judge :3 (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwTzbCzi.jpg&hash=7c0eb496679cda9c1086c28d082fdbc2f76a4c66)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9lqWXns.jpg&hash=7e1d270ea2122ec10d25ee1712f5fa7569b9e47c)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYHIFWjv.jpg&hash=2e5a5072f7b9e0162ba67ef7b0347999d384a001)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvhvAhKq.jpg&hash=349b46a8de0c3312cee2d280385bf9583e2041cb) and ya i know i shouldn't get ffs till after at least a year but i want your opinion :3
Quote from: roseyfox on December 16, 2016, 11:51:33 AM
Rosa would like your opinion what ffs should i het. I got my most male and unflattering pics for you to judge :3 (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwTzbCzi.jpg&hash=7c0eb496679cda9c1086c28d082fdbc2f76a4c66)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9lqWXns.jpg&hash=7e1d270ea2122ec10d25ee1712f5fa7569b9e47c)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYHIFWjv.jpg&hash=2e5a5072f7b9e0162ba67ef7b0347999d384a001)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvhvAhKq.jpg&hash=349b46a8de0c3312cee2d280385bf9583e2041cb) and ya i know i shouldn't get ffs till after at least a year but i want your opinion :3
It may be because I'm not looking at you in person, but, from here, it doesn't look like you even need FFS. I would have to take a very hard, lengthy look at you to think you were anything but cis. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Jalynn on December 16, 2016, 11:19:05 AM
Thanks. Maybe someday a brow reduction and I might be able to. Next time I will try a couple pics with eye liner/eye shadow. Definitely need more practice lol
You honestly look good, imo. I agree with lower bangs, though, but that depends on your comfort level.
Quote from: roseyfox on December 16, 2016, 11:51:33 AM
Rosa would like your opinion what ffs should i het. I got my most male and unflattering pics for you to judge :3
and ya i know i shouldn't get ffs till after at least a year but i want your opinion :3
Hun, you are very pretty. Based on your photos, I would say you don't need FFS at all.
Quote from: Jalynn on December 16, 2016, 12:00:27 AM
Was trying to take a couple pics more in focus with a blond wig, a couple spots of cover-up and lipstick.
I think you pass rather well actually, be interesting to see a pic. without the wig though :icon_chick:
Hugs
Would be so awesome if I could pass with my natural hair one day but has receded pretty badly. I have just let it grow a year so far hoping it will het long enough to do something with.
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I lowered my blond wig so it covers more,
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Rosa
You are passing right now from your face pics. I can't believe they are making you use the men's room at work!
If anything maybe the chin but its very cis-female sized so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Jalynn
I know what you mean about the front receded hair line. Perhaps you can let a hair stylist try something with it. It just looks so limp and unstyled in that picture. You might be pleasantly surprised. I wish mine had that kind of length. :)
Trying a new style. Working my way through my tub of hair... thoughts?
**forgive my 3am make up application, I was crunched for time to make it to my appointment.
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3am zombie eyes... coffee....
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Double shot caramel macciatto. :)
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Harley quinn your looking very pretty and gorgeous.
Harley, very cute with the long hair. You look great!
Harlie, your 3AM makeup looks fine. Actually, you look more mature, in a good way, than with the more highly polished look in many of your posts. Your transition has been good to you! (And for you, I'm sure. :) )
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Yay! I was a bit worried that the longer hair made my face too angular and manish. I'll add it back into my active rotation. :)
I went for a business casual look when I went out job hunting today. It's still difficult to fake a smile.
(https://s29.postimg.org/e874syzwn/IMG_20161215_150036.jpg)
Quote from: Korra- on December 17, 2016, 01:46:59 PM
I went for a business casual look when I went out job hunting today. It's still difficult to fake a smile.
(https://s29.postimg.org/e874syzwn/IMG_20161215_150036.jpg)
anyway you have got a chance to find true job in your country and you are lucky. Most of girls ı know still escorting to live and gain money for transition in my birthplace. I have living in norway now but still working as freelancer...Good luck honey..
Purple hair :)
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YES!!! LOVE IT!
Hair test #3... too 90s?
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Quote from: Harley Quinn on December 18, 2016, 02:20:58 PM
Hair test #3... too 90s?
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In my honest opinion, there is no such thing as too 90s. And you look excellent! It really suits you.
Harley, I don't know. The longer hair framed and narrowed your face nicely. The shorter curly auburn hair seems to focus attention on the jawline a bit and might be less flattering.
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The long hair were better, but you look beautiful anyway.
Love,
Saira
I like the pixie cut like your avatar the most.
(https://s27.postimg.org/p37bs7vzn/IMG_20160827_090926.jpg)
So I found an older pic from earlier this year when I was about 5-6 months hrt and brand new to buying girl clothes and stuff. It's also when I was wearing my hair in a shorter style. Seems like just yesterday but it's already been over half a year since then. My the time flies.
Korra-, you are absolutely stunning! :)
You look great Girl.
Quote from: Korra- on December 24, 2016, 02:27:51 PM
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So I found an older pic from earlier this year when I was about 5-6 months hrt and brand new to buying fuel clothes and stuff. It's also when I was wearing my hair in a shorter style. Seems like just yesterday but it's already been over half a year since then. My the time flies.
Mind you, this is my first time putting on makeup, but I think I did pretty good, considering I forgot to buy foundation. lol Till next time, I guess. What do you think?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOYUtHd0dyVTEzOTA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOWDg2X0NucDVleGs
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOOGI2MUVTRXNIYWM
Kinda look like my mom in this one:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOUllJa3ZQc1o3Nlk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnON1A1X2FHaXptdTg
Proverbial "Ooh!" face:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOaWZxb1hEdkZzTUE
Quote from: Korra- on December 24, 2016, 02:27:51 PM
So I found an older pic from earlier this year when I was about 5-6 months hrt and brand new to buying girl clothes and stuff. It's also when I was wearing my hair in a shorter style. Seems like just yesterday but it's already been over half a year since then. My the time flies.
Totally rockin' it Korra
Hugs
Quote from: SiobhánF on December 24, 2016, 06:54:49 PM
Mind you, this is my first time putting on makeup, but I think I did pretty good, considering I forgot to buy foundation. lol Till next time, I guess. What do you think?
I think you look allot like Jennifer Aniston, very pretty
Quote from: V M on December 24, 2016, 07:12:02 PM
I think you look allot like Jennifer Aniston, very pretty
Thank you, ma'am! Made my night (and, possibly, the next few months). ｡◕‿◕｡
I think that women look better natural with just lipstick and nail polish; without all of that other makeup.
Quote from: SiobhánF on December 24, 2016, 07:18:15 PM
Thank you, ma'am! Made my night (and, possibly, the next few months). ｡◕‿◕｡
Some people don't like those types of comparisons (not sure why) but I agree when I first looked at your pi.c it was my first impression..."she reminds me of someone"...Jennifer Aniston
Liz
You look gorgeous SiobhánF! I hope my first time putting on my own make-up is even half as successful. :)
Quote from: mac1 on December 24, 2016, 07:22:44 PM
I think that women look better natural with just lipstick and nail polish; without all of that other makeup.
I think you got the wrong username for that kind of statement. Lol
Totally kidding
Jessica
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Quote from: ElizabethK on December 24, 2016, 07:36:20 PM
Some people don't like those types of comparisons (not sure why) but I agree when I first looked at your pi.c it was my first impression..."she reminds me of someone"...Jennifer Aniston
Liz
I don't mind, most of the time. This was, I think, a positive comparison because Jennifer is very pretty. I never used to like her until I began to come to terms with my dysphoria. Must have been a jealousy thing. Lol
Quote from: maraesque on December 24, 2016, 07:54:03 PM
You look gorgeous SiobhánF! I hope my first time putting on my own make-up is even half as successful. :)
Thank you so much! I was a bit nervous when I started, but just went with it after it started to look somewhat how I pictured it in my head. :)
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 02, 2016, 04:05:04 AM
Come on. Let me have it. I want to see if you all see the same
I think you look good. Mannerisms and attitude are hard to see in a picture, but my bet is that you are nailing them more each day.
Quote from: V M on July 01, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
Here you go :icon_chick: Post away
Please remember to keep images within site rules and to be respectful when posting comments and suggestions to other members
Hugs
V M
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Ordinarily I avoid this thread like the plague, but I'm feeling pretty good about myself and this picture:
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This happens to be the same sweater as my old avatar.
Dee Marshall, the estrogen gods have shown favor toward you. You pass, I do not see a speck of male in this picture, well done, and Merry Christmas :)
Quote from: Dee Marshall on December 25, 2016, 07:26:13 PM
Ordinarily I avoid this thread like the plague, but I'm feeling pretty good about myself and this picture:
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This happens to be the same sweater as my old avatar.
holy crap do you pass flawlessly I would have zero clue you were trans if i saw you in person!
Quote from: SiobhánF on December 24, 2016, 06:54:49 PM
Mind you, this is my first time putting on makeup, but I think I did pretty good, considering I forgot to buy foundation. lol Till next time, I guess. What do you think?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOYUtHd0dyVTEzOTA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOWDg2X0NucDVleGs
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOOGI2MUVTRXNIYWM
Kinda look like my mom in this one:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOUllJa3ZQc1o3Nlk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnON1A1X2FHaXptdTg
Proverbial "Ooh!" face:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxf-_7uIksnOaWZxb1hEdkZzTUE
I think very impressive
Quote from: Dee Marshall on December 25, 2016, 07:26:13 PM
Ordinarily I avoid this thread like the plague, but I'm feeling pretty good about myself and this picture:
This happens to be the same sweater as my old avatar.
Wow! Nice! :)
1 year on HRT, 44 years old...
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Michaela, you lucky, lucky girl!
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
1 year on HRT, 44 years old...
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You definetly wear that age well. Your pictures look great! I like your hair down.Its quite a flattering look. You do look quite tired in that last photo... Beauty sleep... ;)
Gingerbread is my favorite. Nice.
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Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
1 year on HRT, 44 years old...
*gasp* Girl, those genetics. You look great. ;)
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
1 year on HRT, 44 years old...
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Hmmmm... Im 45 so I'm wondering: where the heck are your wrinkles girl??????
You're beautiful honey
Hugs
Jessica
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Mostly staying out of the sun and good genes. My mom looked great into her 50's.
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on December 26, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
Hmmmm... Im 45 so I'm wondering: where the heck are your wrinkles girl??????
You're beautiful honey
Hugs
Jessica
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Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 01:16:01 PM
Mostly staying out of the sun and good genes. My mom looked great into her 50's.
You're looking great like a hot mom going to a PTA meeting :3
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
1 year on HRT, 44 years old...
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You look incredible!
Omfg 44 years old more like early 30s. You look absolutely beautiful <3
Quote from: Selenakyle on December 26, 2016, 03:05:03 PM
You look incredible!
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 01:16:01 PM
Mostly staying out of the sun and good genes. My mom looked great into her 50's.
Staying out of the sun is not easy if you live in Florida. But don't tell me that this is your real hair!!!
Here is my raw (no makeup - but you don't get a closer look!!!) 45 year old real me after 9+ months on HRT.
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I live in Michigan,so staying out of the sun is easy It's not all my own hair, but I'm a hairstylist so that helps a lot. I'll put up a picture with no makeup on when I get home.
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on December 26, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Staying out of the sun is not easy if you live in Florida. But don't tell me that this is your real hair!!!
Here is my raw (no makeup - but you don't get a closer look!!!) 45 year old real me after 9+ months on HRT.
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OK so here's my no makeup picture. Definitely not as pretty cause my cleft lip really shows when I don't wear makeup. People are always shocked when they find out how old I am... BTW, I think you look great. Your body is definitely taking very well to HRT.
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on December 26, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Staying out of the sun is not easy if you live in Florida. But don't tell me that this is your real hair!!!
Here is my raw (no makeup - but you don't get a closer look!!!) 45 year old real me after 9+ months on HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2FB9101BF6-54A2-466A-A5E5-269900B0C24B_zpsxwxkiskq.png&hash=0954cac2e41607d1b9a3612a81081aec45ba6bf6)
look at all these hot mamas in here :] i hope i can age as gracefully as you both have!
Quote from: Korra- on December 26, 2016, 11:47:02 PM
look at all these hot mamas in here :] i hope i can age as gracefully as you both have!
Hopefully I can look as pretty as you and everyone else in this thread one day ^_^
Quote from: Korra- on December 26, 2016, 11:47:02 PM
look at all these hot mamas in here :] i hope i can age as gracefully as you both have!
Haha... it's not easy to have a body of a 40+ year old with a hormone level of a 16 year old girl... but I guess it's a privilege to go through puberty again at this age. It's just tough to sometimes act like your real age.... :)
Hugs
Jessica
I prefer to see women without makeup. They usually look better natural.
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 10:08:12 PM
OK so here's my no makeup picture. Definitely not as pretty cause my cleft lip really shows when I don't wear makeup. People are always shocked when they find out how old I am... BTW, I think you look great. Your body is definitely taking very well to HRT.
Quote from: mac1 on December 27, 2016, 03:35:12 PM
I prefer to see women without makeup. They usually look better natural.
(https://s29.postimg.org/5m9249gbr/IMG_20161225_001002.jpg)
Here's a recent no makeup pic since you like them so much lol
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 10:08:12 PM
OK so here's my no makeup picture. Definitely not as pretty cause my cleft lip really shows when I don't wear makeup. People are always shocked when they find out how old I am... BTW, I think you look great. Your body is definitely taking very well to HRT.
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You remind me of Sandra Bullock
Quote from: MichaelaLJ1972 on December 26, 2016, 10:08:12 PM
OK so here's my no makeup picture. Definitely not as pretty cause my cleft lip really shows when I don't wear makeup. People are always shocked when they find out how old I am... BTW, I think you look great. Your body is definitely taking very well to HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHd8uhDC.jpg&hash=82d6c2ff9dfa12a9054248ed403e182bbd0c2f4b)
I think you look great! I hope I age as graciously :) YOu have that cool rocker vibe going. I can dig it ;)
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
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You look great! You are definitely looking for the Fabulous section. :D
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
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Looking good! I think you pass just fine. I'm convinced HRT is the fountain of youth ;)
Ha ha ha... ain't that the truth!
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
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You look amazing! I hope I will look half as decent after I start HRT.
Well I started HRT in 2002, so it has had a bit of time to work :)
You all are looking great,
You are looking Crazy Gorgeous Sarah!! :)!!!!!!!
Ha!! I don't know about that. Trust me I have my share of durp pictures, highlighing my double chin...
Hense my upcoming facelift this year...my vanity is showing :D
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTeL9azA.jpg&hash=679b08dcc2ca1aec2b1df34414b0a36b1860b146)
If I ran into you I would want to cry the whole rest of the day out of pure envy. :)
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 06:24:13 PM
Ha!! I don't know about that. Trust me I have my share of durp pictures, highlighing my double chin...
Hense my upcoming facelift this year...my vanity is showing :D
Oh Sarah!!! We all have pics we don't like but,... the cool part is ...we can file your quote under "Things genetic women say!!!"... And I stand by my original observation... You are crazy gorgeous!!!
Onward we go brave sisters!!!
Ashley :)
Amanda & Ashley,
You two are sweet. I credit some of it with having friends who are in their 20's and 30's...they keep me young.
And some is good genetics, my mom is still doing great at 78 and other than a few minor issues is in great health. Heck, she still has dark grey hair, not even white. And then there is my Great Aunt who lived to 98. We apparantly just live forever...haha.
Those pictures I hate, there are lots, is a problem of having most of photos taken when I am skating around a track looking to knock another skater down instead of primping and posing for the camera. Oh well, every once in a while my photographers get a good one of this old Wolf.
Thanks for the positive comments, it makes me feel all tingly inside. <3 <3
-Sarah
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTeL9azA.jpg&hash=679b08dcc2ca1aec2b1df34414b0a36b1860b146)
I would never in my life think you weren't a cis female. You look great.
Quote from: Sebby Michelango on September 14, 2016, 11:17:32 AM
SORAKAT: You're not passing yet due your Adam's apple, rough skin texture and sharp edges. The best thing to do is starting HRT because it would soften your skin and facial features. I would also recommend you to growing your hair a bit longer, electrolysis (facial hair removal) and a Adam's apple reducing in order to pass. On HRT you might have some potential to pass. The main thing which makes passing hardest is the Adam's apple.
GIAFARELL: The stubble, masculine head shape and haircut choice is the main things which makes passing harder. Your body is fine. You should try to style your hair in a way which makes your face looks lesser square, dominant and masculine. Long hair is recommended strongly. I know I sounds a bit harsh, but you doesn't suit short hair because it just makes thing more difficult for you. The short hair screams "Masculine". Perhaps a haircut like this would be something for you.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Ftherighthairstyles.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2FMedium-Hairstyle-For-Square-Face.jpg%3Fresize%3D500%252C648&hash=e363815e2a1e5957dbfd2fd430376e89399bb8d3)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blinkbrowbar.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fkierasquare.jpg&hash=d60464e5cd43fcce57150c5e08229b7b7dafadc2)
MICKI: My advice is to not use too much makeup or exaggerate it. That makes passing harder and some people do associating it with drag shows. If you want to pass, the makeup should be more discreet and eye shadow isn't recommended.
BREENYAN: Your (slightly) broad shoulders and body shape is a bit masculine, so I can see you're not cis. But facial wise you're fine.
Sarah1972: Are you pre or post-HRT? Your makeup is fine, but in some lightning the wig looks a bit stiff. But in darker lightning it doesn't look so wig like. You're not passing yet, but are at the right road makeup wise. It's mostly the facial shape which looks a bit masculine. From long distance you may pass, but when people are close I don't think you would pass.
Beautiful wigs :-)
I would love to try the first one ;-)
Where can I try that one on... in Norway (where I live). You are giving a lot of nice advice , I woiuld love to get your advice on how to wear make-up, wigs and dress :)
Have a nice Christmas and hope to hear from you :)
Hugs from Mona Elisabeth :-) in Oslo
Sorry can only ask you opinion based on my avatar; lately for some reason any pics i take with my phone automatically show up on my computer and other devices am reluctant to use any until I figure out why as I am still under the radar. The pic is after 3 years on estrogen and I am old broad at 68. I await your opinions and advice thank you all and BEST WISHES FOR A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
You're absolutely stunning!!
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTeL9azA.jpg&hash=679b08dcc2ca1aec2b1df34414b0a36b1860b146)
D'oh, thanks everyone. Your words are so kind
Have to admit that HRT has been good as has FFS. So Dr O gets some of the credit here. Also it has been some 13 years since I transitioned. Now I am just getting old(er) :)
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15731895_10212106285476441_5797362151605090746_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=fd12de6c0d32d2b26a069a007fbbb3d2&oe=58EFA3CE)
I still get gendered male most of the time, but even at the danger of sounding arrogant, but I don't see it anymore.
I don't see it either, Zog. I don't know why they're misgendering you, but it isn't your looks.
Quote from: zog on December 31, 2016, 05:08:21 PMI still get gendered male most of the time, but even at the danger of sounding arrogant, but I don't see it anymore.
Brow ridge and chin.
A lot also depends on your voice.
Quote from: Inarasarah on December 28, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
All these lovely faces here. Thought I would share a photo I snapped yesterday. Not to bad for almost 50 :)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTeL9azA.jpg&hash=679b08dcc2ca1aec2b1df34414b0a36b1860b146)
Absolutely gorgeous girlfriend ❤️❤️
I just did some make up tonight and took this selfie. No HRT yet. Any advice?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBggbpph.jpg&hash=e5ac32d6f8a696a58b9d500e432a8a3c9c108468)
Quote from: zog on December 31, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
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I still get gendered male most of the time, but even at the danger of sounding arrogant, but I don't see it anymore.
My only explanation to this that they're either drunk or on drugs. You look lovely darling, seriously.
Hugs
Jessica
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Quote from: zog on December 31, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
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I still get gendered male most of the time, but even at the danger of sounding arrogant, but I don't see it anymore.
I ran your picture through my Picture Pro software and It looks pretty good. Would you like to see what you would look like with an approximation of what you would look like with FFS and good lighting?
Dawn, what sorcery software is this you have?!
Quote from: AshleyC on January 01, 2017, 06:34:42 PM
Dawn, what sorcery software is this you have?!
Portrait Pro 15. It allows me to sculpt the features. I have one basic set up so everyone gets the same makeup treatment. However I can make as many presets as I would like. I am also able to cover up most of the stubble. It mostly works. Sorry Dena. It basically can give you a glam shot type print ad picture or just a smoothing of the face so deep wrinkles go away. I can also give you a new hair color if you desire. A lot easier than Photoshop. It takes about two minutes when I don't have anything else to do. Some people enjoy it and some people aren't so impressed. I have read that half the battle of passing is confidence and If I can supply a modicum of that trait, it makes me happy. Just giving back to my Susan's family. It comes out better if you have no makeup on the original picture.
Quote from: juliawibs on January 01, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
I just did some make up tonight and took this selfie. No HRT yet. Any advice?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBggbpph.jpg&hash=e5ac32d6f8a696a58b9d500e432a8a3c9c108468)
Eyebrows. Shape them, that's rule number one of being a girl. You can get away with anything else but not doing your brows. And second would be smile. :) makeup looks great.
That's pretty rad!
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Quote from: AshleyC on January 01, 2017, 06:34:42 PM
Dawn, what sorcery software is this you have?!
http://imgur.com/a/loN6P
You look marvelous.
Quote from: juliawibs on January 01, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
I just did some make up tonight and took this selfie. No HRT yet. Any advice?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FBggbpph.jpg&hash=e5ac32d6f8a696a58b9d500e432a8a3c9c108468)
http://imgur.com/a/o4Swg
Hi Harley, thank you for the advice on eyebrows. I am not really outed so I need nature everyday look. Do you have any suggestion for androgynous style eyebrows shape?
Quote from: Harley Quinn on January 01, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
Eyebrows. Shape them, that's rule number one of being a girl. You can get away with anything else but not doing your brows. And second would be smile. :) makeup looks great.
Thank you Dawn. I think that is too much make up for me now cause I go to the collage on weekdays and I am not really outted.
Quote from: DawnOday on January 01, 2017, 08:12:30 PM
http://imgur.com/a/o4Swg
Julia, ifnothing else. Just comb your brows with a brow brush. Then outline the high side with a brow pencil. That is if you're worried about it. However, guys get their brows cleaned up as well. So don't worry about that. No one will notice unless you draw attention to them. A subtle arch is all you need.
OK girls, one of my New Year's resolution is to go fulltime but I'm seriously not sure if I'm ready for this. My biggest concern is bathrooms (I'm in Florida) and safety in general. I don't want to be read as that guy in a dress, although I rarely wear dresses... Anyway, here is my real me....
My biggest dysphoria factor these days is my large forehead. I'm also quite tall at 5'12" (Yes, I know... :))
Love you ladies!
Hugs
Jessica
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2FC153970A-2C7D-474F-B8FE-2B75C8CC3B5B_zpssgad2mke.jpg&hash=d50035d4caeae205db9806071abba73a915e35e2)
My happy face:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2F047BE33D-3A03-4FE1-A056-B81D669C5638_zps8ouychzi.jpg&hash=a082e86f1de23fc3c6203ab7718a800e60f449c4)
My dreamy face:
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You look fantastic Jessica!
I really don't think you will have much bother :')
You look to have plenty of hair, maybe if it really bothers you you should think about advancing the hairline?
I think you look great anyway
Ditto, I think you look wonderful Jessica.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on January 02, 2017, 07:59:03 AM
You look fantastic Jessica!
I really don't think you will have much bother :')
You look to have plenty of hair, maybe if it really bothers you you should think about advancing the hairline?
I think you look great anyway
Thank you so much for your kind words. I'm totally scared of doing FFS, thinking about it alone freaks me out. I know I'm a chicken :)
Hugs
-Jessica
Quote from: Harley Quinn on January 02, 2017, 08:03:06 AM
Ditto, I think you look wonderful Jessica.
Thank you so much Harley. Those kind of words keep me going.... Thank you for that :)
Hugs
Jessica
At the risk of being called 'meanie' or worse, I have to say the following, and I do so with good intentions only.
1) If you're going to post pics then you really should be using your worst pics - or at least a combination of your worst and best - because we can't make a fair judgement if you only show us your best shots, from the best angles, with filters or photoshopping.
I look killer in many pics but I also know I look like a man-in a-wig in others and so I know just how varied we can appear and, sadly, we can't ensure people only see us from angles we approve of.
2) There needs to be more honest critiquing. Browsing this thread, it's apparent that too many are being far too polite and it's not fair to the person asking. You may think you're being nice and that the actual truth of 'no, you don't pass' is upsetting but it's not as upsetting as the realisation you've been lied to. We're talking about saving someone from deluding themselves and from negative responses if they decide to swan about in public thinking they're uber-convincing when they're nowhere near (whereas if they received truthful feedback they could work on their look before stepping out).
What's the point in people asking if all you're going to do is tell them what they want to hear?
Am I alone in being super-critical of myself and of not wanting to kid myself or stand out in public?
Like I said, I post this with nothing but good intentions. It's not fair to lie to others - not even when you're trying to be nice - and it's not impolite to tell the truth, especially in response to a question. Being honest (even with bad news) is not symbiotic with being a twat. Passing is so vital to our community that we owe it to each other not to lie or gloss over the truth.
This is me in male mode.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1243.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg550%2FLillianaxox%2FLilliana2_zpsuik7nije.jpg&hash=545b3f7e3828f4b5684c6589e1c859ebebc78a31)
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 02, 2017, 09:03:04 AM
Thank you so much Harley. Those kind of words keep me going.... Thank you for that :)
Hugs
Jessica
Any time. Bangs are good for the whole forehead thing, but you know that a lot of women have a high hairline anyway. A good friend of mine is from Florida. She's very cool. Cis and still advocates concealed carry. I'm in Washington and I conceal carry... I open carry too. Great deterant.
I liked how my makeup turned out today. 16 months HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhB6Wnkv.jpg&hash=06989a5fdf4b45d3e32eee96164475c1a8e1e0f4)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmNy9cO5.jpg&hash=7cf2ad7ac8f7484a3618b2d9a322630f1a49dd58)
feeling dysphoric today =/
(https://s24.postimg.org/5p2tbpb9x/IMG_20170104_143459.jpg)
Quote from: RachelsMantra on January 04, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
I liked how my makeup turned out today. 16 months HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhB6Wnkv.jpg&hash=06989a5fdf4b45d3e32eee96164475c1a8e1e0f4)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmNy9cO5.jpg&hash=7cf2ad7ac8f7484a3618b2d9a322630f1a49dd58)
You are not seriously doubting that you pass, right? You look absolutely lovely and cute.
Hugs
Jessica
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 04, 2017, 09:27:51 PM
You are not seriously doubting that you pass, right?
Many people in this thread and others don't think I pass in the pictures I post so.....
Rachel you look similar to many of my cis-girlfriends in those pics so I would say you pass. :)
Nonsense, Rachel! You pass better than I do and I almost never get clocked. Mostly when I get assertive as my job requires.
Quote from: RachelsMantra on January 05, 2017, 08:14:30 AM
Many people in this thread and others don't think I pass in the pictures I post so.....
Based on those pictures I have no doubts that you can pass but it's not only the looks... If you walk and sit like a guy with your legs spread apart and talk like Johnny Cash, then yes you will struggle but then you would struggle even if you look like a supermodel...
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 02, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
OK girls, one of my New Year's resolution is to go fulltime but I'm seriously not sure if I'm ready for this. My biggest concern is bathrooms (I'm in Florida) and safety in general. I don't want to be read as that guy in a dress, although I rarely wear dresses... Anyway, here is my real me....
My biggest dysphoria factor these days is my large forehead. I'm also quite tall at 5'12" (Yes, I know... :))
Love you ladies!
Hugs
Jessica
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2FC153970A-2C7D-474F-B8FE-2B75C8CC3B5B_zpssgad2mke.jpg&hash=d50035d4caeae205db9806071abba73a915e35e2)
My happy face:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2F047BE33D-3A03-4FE1-A056-B81D669C5638_zps8ouychzi.jpg&hash=a082e86f1de23fc3c6203ab7718a800e60f449c4)
My dreamy face:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2F138E73D1-4247-4436-95C2-6F547B371E4F_zpscnescdy1.jpg&hash=c826d615fb4b0b002113ca9aa2aa3d6ee9d33bfe)
You look lovely no way you Will get read as anything other than female as for you forehead it looks female and I think adds to your attractiveness and there's no doubt you are an attractive female
Quote from: RachelsMantra on January 05, 2017, 08:14:30 AM
Many people in this thread and others don't think I pass in the pictures I post so.....
You pass don't worry you pass !!!
Quote from: RachelsMantra on January 04, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
I liked how my makeup turned out today. 16 months HRT.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhB6Wnkv.jpg&hash=06989a5fdf4b45d3e32eee96164475c1a8e1e0f4)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmNy9cO5.jpg&hash=7cf2ad7ac8f7484a3618b2d9a322630f1a49dd58)
Your makeup looks great Rachel! You are actually the spitting image of my friend Miriam. Id call that a big pass!
Quote from: Korra- on January 04, 2017, 04:48:32 PM
feeling dysphoric today =/
Sorry to hear that, doing my makeup and a cute dress usually gets me out of my funk... It might help. :)
What's everybody's opinion on what I have to work with body wise?
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Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on January 09, 2017, 03:01:16 PM
What's everybody's opinion on what I have to work with body wise?
it's a standard start that nearly everyone has. waist training with a corset will help a ton there is alot of guides on Google in how to do it safely. Cardio a balanced healthy diet and squats will help your bottom shape up nicely and lose a few pounds while things get toned.
decent starting point could be alot worse
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on January 09, 2017, 03:01:16 PM
What's everybody's opinion on what I have to work with body wise?
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I think it's a very good start. Unlike me you have a narrow body, with a slim waist and your chest and hips seem about the same width. On top of that your shoulders aren't huge. A corset would work wonders - even a bit of weight loss - but you'd look great even without one. I, on the other hand, am much broader up top (which is great for being a man but not so for being a woman). Having a 42" chest at 5' 8" gives me a stocky triangle shape.
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 02, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
OK girls, one of my New Year's resolution is to go fulltime but I'm seriously not sure if I'm ready for this. My biggest concern is bathrooms (I'm in Florida) and safety in general. I don't want to be read as that guy in a dress, although I rarely wear dresses... Anyway, here is my real me....
Jessica, I said exactly the same thing one year ago. I eventually did come out in early February. I was sooooo glad when it was over. Go for it. Be done. Live your life!
Quote from: Monica Jean on January 13, 2017, 08:02:38 PM
Jessica, I said exactly the same thing one year ago. I eventually did come out in early February. I was sooooo glad when it was over. Go for it. Be done. Live your life!
Thank you Monica and I made it through the first two weeks of January living as the woman I always was.
This is now the real me...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2F2F168149-9D52-43A9-9010-799824628268_zpsd4mjnibr.jpg&hash=47a267beba56a9a3b4ec9591b0e2d891b150e5a0)
Btw: your transition video is amazing!!!
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you are a natural Jessica! I'm proud of you! And look at your smile, it tells the whole story!
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 13, 2017, 08:16:34 PM
This is now the real me...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2F2F168149-9D52-43A9-9010-799824628268_zpsd4mjnibr.jpg&hash=47a267beba56a9a3b4ec9591b0e2d891b150e5a0)
You look great!
(https://i.imgsafe.org/c606821175.jpg)
Quote from: Codia on January 15, 2017, 11:58:13 PM
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Yes Codia. Your picture needs to transfer into the Fabulous thread!
Quote from: Harley Quinn on January 16, 2017, 06:58:46 AM
Yes Codia. Your picture needs to transfer into the Fabulous thread!
I've always been too nervous to post in here and you're saying I did it backwards, Harley? [emoji28]
Looking good, Codia..!
I guess here goes everything;
Quote from: Angela Drakken on January 15, 2017, 05:09:13 PM
Comfort level... ugh so far behind me.. Y.Y
No makeup, still havent gotten changed from work. >.<
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Run away while you can! Its horrible! lol
Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 13, 2017, 08:16:34 PM
Thank you Monica and I made it through the first two weeks of January living as the woman I always was.
This is now the real me...
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1255.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh639%2Fjessisondelli1%2F2F168149-9D52-43A9-9010-799824628268_zpsd4mjnibr.jpg&hash=47a267beba56a9a3b4ec9591b0e2d891b150e5a0)
Jessie your smile in that picture says sooo much! Congrats
Quote from: Angela Drakken on January 16, 2017, 07:05:06 AM
I've always been too nervous to post in here and you're saying I did it backwards, Harley? [emoji28]
I guess here goes everything;
I said nothing of the sort... You look great Angela. I dig the hair. Have you thought about adding some purple or a black cherry? And you have some lovely eyes... a perfect almond shape.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on January 16, 2017, 08:38:22 AM
I said nothing of the sort... You look great Angela. I dig the hair. Have you thought about adding some purple or a black cherry? And you have some lovely eyes... a perfect almond shape.
I was just teasing lol
My hairs usually blue. I might add magenta tips to it when I colour again. Hmm.
Hey girls, I was having a good day so I thought I would take some pics. It felt like a natural hair and "hat day" vs a wig :) What do you think?...be gentle:)
BTW, I'm hoping to start HRT in March. 43yo.
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Quote from: staciM on January 16, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
Hey girls, I was having a good day so I thought I would take some pics. It felt like a natural hair and "hat day" vs a wig :) What do you think?...be gentle:)
BTW, I'm hoping to start HRT in March. 43yo.
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Ok Staci, are you sure you are 43 and you have not started hormones yet? Omg! You look amazing btw and you tried to say 34, right????
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Quote from: JessicaSondelli on January 16, 2017, 04:58:22 PM
Ok Staci, are you sure you are 43 and you have not started hormones yet? Omg! You look amazing btw and you tried to say 34, right????
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Ahhh, thanks so much Jessica...that feels good....and you should talk about not looking your age [emoji14]
Yup, will be 44 this year and unfortunately haven't started HRT....I've been an avid moisturizer for quite awhile :)
Quote from: staciM on January 16, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
Ahhh, thanks so much Jessica...that feels good....and you should talk about not looking your age [emoji14]
Yup, will be 44 this year and unfortunately haven't started HRT....I've been an avid moisturizer for quite awhile :)
Staci you look really good. That hat is very cute on you.
OK so here's Josephine in my natural habitat! lol :o. No wig or makeup, just being me at home but I guess this is what I have to start with. I'm letting my hair grow out and have my ears pierced but you cant really see that in this picture. Old digital camera. I still want to loose like 30 lbs of belly fat but it seems the camera added another 30 to me. ;D
I went to my therapist yesterday after being gone a week on vacation with the family. Still no HRT letter darnit. :( She lost the link to the sample letters I found but while I was there we looked them up and she saved a copy. Maaaybe next time! Fingers crossed.
I hope this link works. I haven't been able to post pics direct to the site so far.
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You have hips like that without HRT?!
Yes, it's all bone. I have very little fat on my thighs. It's one of the odd things about me. Apparently I have all female shaped bones except for what male puberty did to me. Having found that out answered a lot of things I felt when I was young. My pelvis grew long before my chest ever filled in. I always felt my pelvis made me look girlish and I have always worn large loose shirts to hide it. My knee joint and elbow joint angles are also well within female normals. My chest didn't thicken up until I was 18-21 years old so as a teenage guy I always felt weird. Of course looking at myself in the mirror would just fuel that Dysphoria over and over again. If I only could have been born ........ You know?
It's funny that wide hip bones come up....just last evening I was having that discussion with my wife. I'm like you Josie, my natural shape is hourglass as my hips are naturally much wider than my waist....
instead of a traditional V, and I always wondered why. My swimming coach pointed that out to me when I was 13 in a discussion about body development....."you still have the body of a girl with your hips like that"...it was a bit of a secret "win" hearing that :)
i feel like i look weird sometimes...
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Quote from: Korra- on January 18, 2017, 10:18:34 AM
i feel like i look weird sometimes...
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Just sometimes? That sounds like a positive compared to my experience:)
I think you look great...very natural.
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So I guess this is at a year and maybe a month.
And no, my voice is horrible [emoji20]
But still a work in progress as is everything
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Me a few days ago
Kora, girl I don't know why you are so self conscious. We all wish we could have started young and look like you.
Stevie, I'd say your doing pretty good!
Quote from: josie76 on January 19, 2017, 06:48:16 AM
Kora, girl I don't know why you are so self conscious. We all wish we could have started young and look like you.
Stevie, I'd say your doing pretty good!
Aww thank you hun [emoji3]
Quote from: VioletKnight on January 19, 2017, 03:12:23 AM
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Me a few days ago
Hi Violet,
I would say you look very feminine.
Paige :)
Can't believe a guy asked me to dance last night even though I was wearing guy cloths. Had my ears pierced a few days ago. Upset about thin hair but is coming back a bit.
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Quote from: Jalynn on January 21, 2017, 03:53:20 PM
Can't believe a guy asked me to dance last night even though I was wearing guy cloths. Had my ears pierced a few days ago. Upset about thin hair but is coming back a bit.
What are you doing wearing male clothes? You have hit the point of male fail and have the look of the girl next door. Expect it to happen more in the future.
Wow that's exciting to hear. Just feels safer when out to be dressed guyish. For work i feel it still helps also. Just not brave enough yet. I think being so tall people don't see a female as easily. So far I haven't experienced any negativity at all so I didn't think I got to the point of male fail yet. Very big compliment Thank you. Feel like lately I have been called "Sir or Mr" way more than usual. Wonder if they do it on purpose. Luving how easier I am finding it to shop for cloths etc and not even feel like I am out of place.
Quote from: Jalynn on January 21, 2017, 03:53:20 PM
Can't believe a guy asked me to dance last night even though I was wearing guy cloths. Had my ears pierced a few days ago. Upset about thin hair but is coming back a bit.
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You're not really surprised by that, do you??? Jeez, you look super cute and what are you doing wearing guy's clothes???
OMG Stevie you look so beautiful! HRT really has done wonders for you since the last I seen ya! ^^
Jalyann, girl trust me eventually you get to the point where you can wake up one day.... Say I'm going to wear whatever I want with no make up on and you'll be perfectly passing.
I mean I've been on Hormones nearly a year like. I just realized I have a slight curve on my back and my booty kinda like sticks out. Not to mention my shoulders have toned down A LOT. And it looks like my neck isn't as muscular as it once was too. Kinda helps out the dysphoria a bit for me.
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Wow Raye you look amazing! Pass, pass, pass! X
Gorgeous pics Jalynn! It's so lovely to see the lady behind the sunglasses :) Not surprised a guy asked you to dance at all hon!
Very lovely girly pic Violet! You look like a young attractive woman too me!
I adore your hair Stevie, you look great! Your true voice will come through eventually, just takes time!
Loving that smile Korra! Can't see you having trouble passing at all!
Ok so my hair has grown some but ugh, it's too short to do anything with and too long to get to lay down. To wiry and out of control. Otherwise how bad is it, my face that is. Give me your all. I know some things I will likely want to change like my nose and chin but everyone says to see what HRT does first.
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Raye, you look very passable to me girl! (http://url=https://flic.kr/p/QdzxiT)
So I have the feeling that it's about time to share a recent picture or two...
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I was speaking while snapping the second picture, don't know why but I like it.
I think you are are beautiful...im envious that I didnt start my journey many years ago.
I've been coming here, mostly just reading with some posts here and there, for a while now and figure maybe it's time to throw my pic in the bunch. My voice sucks still but I tend to get gendered correctly some of the time. I'm curious what you all think though. I also know I need to work on my eyebrows but they have a nice shape to them just need to thin them out. Damn glasses are making them look big and bushy in this pic.
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First Thank You Moomin that means alot to me. And oh Korra Dear please don't think like that. Eventually you'll be happy with the changes jgravitt01.
I can see some changes Amalina! :3
I DO have some thoughts to note before I disappear again for a month or more again... I'VE been very fortunate for where I live in Williamson County. You'd think Fairview would have ignorant people at every corner merely because of the # of Churches located. Thing is Williamson County has very intelligent and open-minded individuals who live here as well. Now I would love to live in Franklin, but economically speaking for me at this time that is not possible. People look passing in their own way because these same people realize Women come in many Shapes and Sizes. Generally, if all they see is Soft Skin, Voluptuous Lips, or Fat a Typical Male wouldn't have - people don't think secondly that this isn't a Cis Female, regardless breasts being presented or not. Never mind the shape of your hands - eventually those will lose muscle and soften up a bit.
My Best advice is to not over think it, remain calm, confident, and beautiful. Because once you think of your own insecurities you'll fall prey to cynical thoughts. And trust me you don't need that sort of behavior going on in your mind. I've been fortunate that I started HRT @ 24 years of age with being prescribed Prometrium the First Month, instead of later. Sure a negative thought will come in mind at some point. But I just tend to throw it down when I look back on who I use to be. So taking those Weekly, Monthly, Quarterly, and Yearly Photos really help show you how much you've changed and become the Woman you are today.
And I don't mean just take Frontal Pictures I mean EVERYWHERE. Legs, Feet, Hands, Back, Side, Shoulders, Waist, Hips, ETC. It's a lot of time to get adjusted to that mentality or physicality, but once you do and compare them you'll see those subtle changes instead of focusing on Chest, Shoulders, and Face that most look at first.
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I think you are all beautiful...im envious that I didnt start my journey many years ago. This is is me right now before any changes other than my feeble attempt at make up and breasts. I'm shooting for C/D with my breasts. That may change once I slim down with diet and exercise.
Quote from: Raye on January 22, 2017, 04:07:51 PM
First Thank You Moomin that means alot to me. And oh Korra Dear please don't think like that. Eventually you'll be happy with the changes jgravitt01.
I can see some changes Amalina! :3
I DO have some thoughts to note before I disappear again for a month or more again... I'VE been very fortunate for where I live in Williamson County. You'd think Fairview would have ignorant people at every corner merely because of the # of Churches located. Thing is Williamson County has very intelligent and open-minded individuals who live here as well. Now I would love to live in Franklin, but economically speaking for me at this time that is not possible. People look passing in their own way because these same people realize Women come in many Shapes and Sizes. Generally, if all they see is Soft Skin, Voluptuous Lips, or Fat a Typical Male wouldn't have - people don't think secondly that this isn't a Cis Female, regardless breasts being presented or not. Never mind the shape of your hands - eventually those will lose muscle and soften up a bit.
My Best advice is to not over think it, remain calm, confident, and beautiful. Because once you think of your own insecurities you'll fall prey to cynical thoughts. And trust me you don't need that sort of behavior going on in your mind. I've been fortunate that I started HRT @ 24 years of age with being prescribed Prometrium the First Month, instead of later. Sure a negative thought will come in mind at some point. But I just tend to throw it down when I look back on who I use to be. So taking those Weekly, Monthly, Quarterly, and Yearly Photos really help show you how much you've changed and become the Woman you are today.
And I don't mean just take Frontal Pictures I mean EVERYWHERE. Legs, Feet, Hands, Back, Side, Shoulders, Waist, Hips, ETC. It's a lot of time to get adjusted to that mentality or physicality, but once you do and compare them you'll see those subtle changes instead of focusing on Chest, Shoulders, and Face that most look at first.
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Quote from: jgravitt01 on January 22, 2017, 04:31:49 PM
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I think you are all beautiful...im envious that I didnt start my journey many years ago. This is is me right now before any changes other than my feeble attempt at make up and breasts. I'm shooting for C/D with my breasts. That may change once I slim down with diet and exercise.
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I guess with the fake breasts you look passing as a more masculine woman. I know hearing Masculine and Woman together sound terrible, but I'm not necessarily trying to sound like a whatchucallit (NVM)? But a lil work a bit more on HRT and I'm quite sure your OP will change over time. Plenty of people in my Trans Support Group @ OutCentral have come from worse ways before. Just don't be cynical about the changes they come slow or fast for each one of us. Give it time and be the beautiful soul you and I know you were meant to be.
I have high hopes and assurances that you will be perfectly fine! :3
Quote from: Raye on January 22, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
I guess with the fake breasts you look passing as a more masculine woman. I know hearing Masculine and Woman together sound terrible, but I'm not necessarily trying to sound like a whatchucallit (NVM)? But a lil work a bit more on HRT and I'm quite sure your OP will change over time. Plenty of people in my Trans Support Group @ OutCentral have come from worse ways before. Just don't be cynical about the changes they come slow or fast for each one of us. Give it time and be the beautiful soul you and I know you were meant to be.
I have high hopes and assurances that you will be perfectly fine! :3
Thanks for the comments. Masculine woman is better than...nope i think you still look like a man trying to impersonate a woman but those were my thoughts... lol
Sadly I have to drive a hour and a half for a wig store. Dont like buying without trying it and seeing firsthand what it and I look like.
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You're not going to have any problems with hormone therapy, you're quite possibly the most feminine pre-hormone woman I have ever seen! You're going to be surprised in about 6 months of hormone replacement.
Quote from: Harley Quinn on January 23, 2017, 08:58:55 AM
You're not going to have any problems with hormone therapy, you're quite possibly the most feminine pre-hormone woman I have ever seen! You're going to be surprised in about 6 months of hormone replacement.
Awww...now your just making me blush...thank you for the kind comment.
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I know I'm terrible wIth my Word Choices. :( At the end of the day it shouldn't matter what others think, feel, or perceive you. It's only up to you to be you regardless what other people think.
I'm really sorry. :c
Quote from: jgravitt01 on January 22, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
I think you are are beautiful...im envious that I didnt start my journey many years ago.
Thank you very much! :)
I only started with 41, so don't worry, I think you have a good starting position for HRT.
Hugs, Thessa [emoji4]
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Thank you all for your acceptance and comments. Your experiences and advice are appreciated.
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So I'm 9.5 months almost 10, wanted to post a few photos to get feedback. It's probably a given, but I think I still look pretty masculine in my face, but truth is its probably a lot of dysphoria talking..
First three, me post shower no makeup..
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http://imgur.com/iWBRk8w
Last one is after recently getting hair cut..
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Quote from: GiaFarrell on January 23, 2017, 10:25:53 PM
So I'm 9.5 months almost 10, wanted to post a few photos to get feedback. It's probably a given, but I think I still look pretty masculine in my face, but truth is its probably a lot of dysphoria talking..
First three, me post shower no makeup..
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http://imgur.com/ulNxV3y
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http://imgur.com/mf6xIcl
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http://imgur.com/iWBRk8w
Last one is after recently getting hair cut..
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http://imgur.com/l8A2aZw
I think you are looking great! That haircut is really cute. You should have no trouble as you are. If I zoom in on your face and imagine that I'm expecting a man then maybe but seeing all of you and expecting a woman that's what I see in your face. I hope I get to that point on HRT! :) speaking of Dysphoria or maybe just jealousy, your hair is making me wish mine was long enough to do anything with. Oh well all things come with time.
Hey, new here.
I'm totally paranoid that I'm not passing well.
I'd love some feedback on some recent photos.
I'm getting my eyebrows done soon and I'm on the waiting list for laser hair removal.
http://jesskerra.blogspot.co.uk/
Thanks in advance. x
Jessica
I am really envious when seeing all of you great looking girls.
Got my new hair today. Was feeling good so took a picture. Hair can make a huge diffence.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/427/32130295970_0f05ff6a59_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QXfaAb)image (https://flic.kr/p/QXfaAb) by Josie H (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149006210@N03/), on Flickr
With better camera and no selfie filter "cheating" :
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Ok, one phone pic just to show off ear sparkles! :D
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B.x
I have to say you look very pretty, ear sparkles are nice as well.
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Quote from: Raye on January 22, 2017, 05:00:36 AM
OMG Stevie you look so beautiful! HRT really has done wonders for you since the last I seen ya! ^^
Jalyann, girl trust me eventually you get to the point where you can wake up one day.... Say I'm going to wear whatever I want with no make up on and you'll be perfectly passing.
I mean I've been on Hormones nearly a year like. I just realized I have a slight curve on my back and my booty kinda like sticks out. Not to mention my shoulders have toned down A LOT. And it looks like my neck isn't as muscular as it once was too. Kinda helps out the dysphoria a bit for me.
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16266098_1532443443450045_7232078426985749687_n.jpg?oh=8052754557a9e023e3edf968b1357111&oe=591BF831)
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Thank you Raye it's nice to get encouragement. Pictures help, but I look back at old ones and cringe. I guess that's a good thing in a way.
Looks like we visit around the same time so I'll see you on the next update lol
Hugs [emoji847]
Hey
Lovely pics from everyone, looking great!
Hope you're all having a good day. x
Jessica
Quote from: JessicaK on January 24, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
Hey, new here.
I'm totally paranoid that I'm not passing well.
I'd love some feedback on some recent photos.
I'm getting my eyebrows done soon and I'm on the waiting list for laser hair removal.
http://jesskerra.blogspot.co.uk/
Thanks in advance. x
Jessica
Jessica,
I think you are looking pretty good and nicely coy. Nice work on the eyeliner. Will be fun to see with a little longer hair(though it doesn't have to be much). I don't remember from reading your info, are you on HRT? Currently, it seems to take little for you to look female.
Congratulations.
Warmly,
Joanna
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170125/69c79c7d70b3a81021f89ad79adcf1e6.jpg). Not feeling great... I tried to make myself pretty. What do you think?
I think you did a fabulous job.
-Jaime
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You look wonderful Amanda...
Hey Girls, tried some new extensions, had second lasser session too.
I feel like changes have slowed abit, but now after being upped my dose again, I feel changes are getting in gear again, hopefully some big ones!
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Very nice!-Jaime
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Amanda_Combs - Awesome hair! Really suits you, looking fab.
ChristineRachel - Loving the hair. Very jealous
roseyfox - looking class, 110%!
You all look freakin great. Well Jel !
Quote from: Joanna50 on January 25, 2017, 09:04:58 AM
Jessica,
I think you are looking pretty good and nicely coy. Nice work on the eyeliner. Will be fun to see with a little longer hair(though it doesn't have to be much). I don't remember from reading your info, are you on HRT? Currently, it seems to take little for you to look female.
Congratulations.
Warmly,
Joanna
Ohmygawd thank you!
I've been on Hrt for 9 months now. I've had loads of setbacks and only transitioned socially on the 28th Dec 2016.
I let the hormones do their thing so i could be more confident in myself.
I love makeup but feel i have to use it...a lot to pass. Getting facial laser hair removal via the NHS soon. Hopefully this will help, if not I'll try electrolysis privately.
I'm just super negative and struggling with my mental health and have myself convinced that I'll never pass :/
I've been growing my hair out for months, can't wait for my fringe to grow out some more as it's 100% in my eyes all the time haha. Need the fringe to hide/soften my hideous forehead and nose.
Jessica
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V M
Here's me as I went out to my group last week with a little more dramatic makeup ....hope to start HRT in the next couple months. 43yo. What do you girls think?
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Quote from: staciM on January 27, 2017, 06:39:42 PM
Here's me as I went out to my group last week with a little more dramatic makeup ....hope to start HRT in the next couple months. 43yo. What do you girls think?
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Looking good, Staci! That's definitely a pass to my eyes.
Quote from: KathyLauren on January 27, 2017, 06:45:31 PM
Looking good, Staci! That's definitely a pass to my eyes.
Thanks Kathy...question, do you wear glasses? ...and if so, do you currently have them on? LOL, JK, thank you.
Quote from: staciM on January 27, 2017, 06:39:42 PM
Here's me as I went out to my group last week with a little more dramatic makeup ....hope to start HRT in the next couple months. 43yo. What do you girls think?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fds6ELhy.jpg&hash=94f626754f2c52bc1b0b5ac22be3d6e4b256fbef)
You remind me of the girl a friend of mine was going to marry waaaay back.
Hi, I'm new here. I'd like some feedback on my current lpok.
(https://i.imgur.com/vPrh9vq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NPtvizk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3aYsVfs.jpg)
I have some ideas for what I can work on but I'd love to hear yours.
Amanda, love your hair in that picture! Is that all yours? If so congrats on that alone. ;)
Christine, very nice hair also. You are looking great as you always do in your pics.
Rosie, you are so lucky you could start young. You pass so well! Does your employer still make you use the men's room? If so that's just plain wrong.
Staci, are you sure you're 43 ?! You look way more 33 .
Thanks Jessica and Josie :) that really helps me right now.
Thanks Angela ...I'm happy that I at least remind you of your friends girl, rather than your friend :).
Josie...thanks, that's sweet. I've been told that I look younger than my age before....how about the girl/pass part? LOL ;)
cej, you look very feminine...all I would say is thin out the brows a bit more and pierce your ears. Are you ready for a feminine cut/colour?
Christine, hair is great...I also think a heavy side bang with some wave to your hair would really suit your face.
[emoji4][emoji12] yes. It is all my own hair! Funny thing is it's half the reason I realized that I really do have dysphoria. I cut my hair, almost bald, a little over a year ago and it was terrible! I looked like a man!
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Quote from: cej on January 27, 2017, 08:41:46 PM
Hi, I'm new here. I'd like some feedback on my current lpok.
(https://i.imgur.com/vPrh9vq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NPtvizk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3aYsVfs.jpg)
I have some ideas for what I can work on but I'd love to hear yours.
I think the brow ridge might be throwing me. The upper lip is mannish, but it seems a fine line. Your nose too. A little mannish , but nothing major
You definitely have great potential. Not sure if hrt will do it all, but you don't seem to be in a bad place.
Quote from: staciM on January 27, 2017, 06:39:42 PM
Here's me as I went out to my group last week with a little more dramatic makeup ....hope to start HRT in the next couple months. 43yo. What do you girls think?
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fds6ELhy.jpg&hash=94f626754f2c52bc1b0b5ac22be3d6e4b256fbef)
You look great. Nice outfit.
I disagree with the assessment of Cej.
I love her profile ie. The middle pic.
Don't bank on HRT changing your face...other than a softening of the skin. Good skin begins with hair removal, skin care, moisturizer, sun block etc.
I have an awful nose, but it's amazing what you can do with bronzer to help create a thinner nose.
Ditto for your lips, they look fine. As well, there are ways to make your lips fuller...getting to know how to use an lip liner pencil will help. I have thin lips.
I think it takes a special kind of strength to ask strangers opinions...especially other trans. I've learned to accept what I've been dealt with in life.
Cej, if you're reading this, I applaud you and encourage to continue being a stronger person within, and everyday look in the mirror, smile, and accept yourself as a brave woman.
Thanks for the feedback staci, Stevie and Nina! I had rhinoplasty a few months ago and I think there is still some swelling from that, but I'll experiment with bronzer. I'm meeting with Mayer on Monday to discuss lip lift/injections and review the brow area. I've gotten a diversity of opinions on my brow -- I think it might benefit from a mild lift on the outside instead of thinning, but I'm not sure. Earrings are probably a good idea, I've been thinking about them for awhile but I might want to come out at work first. Can you clarify what you mean by feminine hairstyle? I'm getting my hair done today.
And I really appreciate the encouragement, Nina. I am grateful every day for the body I have and have enjoyed the process of fine tuning it.
Quote from: cej on January 28, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
Thanks for the feedback staci, Stevie and Nina! I had rhinoplasty a few months ago and I think there is still some swelling from that, but I'll experiment with bronzer. I'm meeting with Mayer on Monday to discuss lip lift/injections and review the brow area. I've gotten a diversity of opinions on my brow -- I think it might benefit from a mild lift on the outside instead of thinning, but I'm not sure. Earrings are probably a good idea, I've been thinking about them for awhile but I might want to come out at work first. Can you clarify what you mean by feminine hairstyle? I'm getting my hair done today.
And I really appreciate the encouragement, Nina. I am grateful every day for the body I have and have enjoyed the process of fine tuning it.
I thought your nose looked incredibly straight. I just thought that the tip would look more feminine slightly lifted.
I think you look fabulous, but you asked if there was anything.
All minor tweaks
Good luck as I think you know what you want [emoji3]
OK girls, how do i pass? ??? or not ::)
Oh right I know I have a shadow showing. I didn't use anything to cover it.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/615/32536857836_913bab8e6a_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RzaUgw)IMG_20170128_165002032 (https://flic.kr/p/RzaUgw) by Josie H (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149006210@N03/), on Flickr
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Oh wow!!! Other than the beard shadow you look like one of my friend's older sister
Particularly the profile shot is spot on, same expression and everything
Quote from: V M on January 28, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
Oh wow!!! Other than the beard shadow you look like one of my friend's older sister
Particularly the profile shot is spot on, same expression and everything
I certainly hope that's a good thing. ;D Thank you for that confidence boost!
My wife told me a while back that I had an uncanny resemblance to my mom. I suppose I can see it.
Definitely a good sign Josie. Well on your way. A little more softening in the face and I'd say pass. Your jawline is still a bit ridgid
Don't forget to smile Josie!!! :) you are moving towards a life that will finally be your own... What could be more joyful than that?... :)
Onward we go brave sister!!!
Ashley :)
Quote from: tgirlamc on January 29, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
Don't forget to smile Josie!!! :) you are moving towards a life that will finally be your own... What could be more joyful than that?... :)
Onward we go brave sister!!!
Ashley :)
You are so right Ashley! Dangit you brought me to tears with that. Thanks both to you and Harley. :)
Some new photos from the past week :)
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PS I hate my smile lol
Jessica
Quote from: JessicaK on January 30, 2017, 11:53:39 AMPS I hate my smile lol
Jessica
Dam' you do amazing makeup..
And your shy little smile is adorbs I love it, keep smiling!
I think you look great Jessica, gona rock once that hair grows in
Quote from: JessicaK on January 30, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
Some new photos from the past week :)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sjlk6dAUsso/WI9Rg5xP5RI/AAAAAAAAAA4/_1rHWxgo9qYKpZ2phHlWkk2MuJi3XBPfgCLcB/s640/IMG_20170124_204456.jpg)
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(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZpJvTMxaJPU/WI9RzA1N00I/AAAAAAAAABA/izNP12ftkOIGpsZPXSGkZTnzDx6BPWvPgCLcB/s640/IMG_20170130_120021.jpg)
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PS I hate my smile lol
Jessica
wayyy too much black eyeliner around the eyes. Next time don't do it in the middle part, only use black eyeliner on the top, don't put eyeliner on your waterline, and if you need to put black on the bottom lid I suggest eyeshadow; it's less harsh. In my opinion the way you have it makes you look like a gothic boy. If you only went halfway with it it would make a big difference.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 30, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
wayyy too much black eyeliner around the eyes. Next time don't do it in the middle part and only use black eyeliner on the top, if you need to put black on the bottom I suggest eyeshadow, it's less harsh. In my opinion the way you have it makes you look like a gothic boy. If you only went halfway with it it would make a big difference.
And this is why some people stay out of this thread entirely. Yikes.
fwiw, I used to put too much eyeliner on the bottom and it also made me look goth instead of femme. wasn't until it was pointed out to me that I stopped.
Quote from: cej on January 30, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
fwiw, I used to put too much eyeliner on the bottom and it also made me look goth instead of femme. wasn't until it was pointed out to me that I stopped.
Yeah but... Whats wrong with being goth? Is there a rule that says we cant utilize and develope our own style?
I think she looks just fine and shes still learning and improving. Calling her a 'gothic boy' isnt constructive criticism, some one might think it catty and misgendering. For every criticism, maybe point out something theyre doing right too? Otherwise it just seems like vitriol.
Quote from: Angela Drakken on January 30, 2017, 01:48:11 PM
And this is why some people stay out of this thread entirely. Yikes.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 30, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
wayyy too much black eyeliner around the eyes. Next time don't do it in the middle part and only use black eyeliner on the top, if you need to put black on the bottom I suggest eyeshadow, it's less harsh. In my opinion the way you have it makes you look like a gothic boy. If you only went halfway with it it would make a big difference.
People post in this thread to get constructive feedback and find out if they look like a boy or girl. It's a subjective question, there are no wrong answers and different people can see different things. But if the only allowed answer is "you look like a girl" then the thread is just a "You look fabulous" thread.
Quote from: Angela Drakken on January 30, 2017, 01:56:44 PM
Yeah but... Whats wrong with being goth? Is there a rule that says we cant utilize and develope our own style?
I think she looks just fine and shes still learning and improving. Calling her a 'gothic boy' isnt constructive criticism, some one might think it catty and misgendering. For every criticism, maybe point out something theyre doing right too? Otherwise it just seems like vitriol.
The thread is called "do I look or could I pass as female".
I will agree with Angelique in that eyeliner on the bottom should go only halfway. It'll open up your eyes and make them appear rounder. When you do eyeliner the entire length, it narrows the look.
It's just a suggestion...as people do notice eyes. Take your eyeliner pencil, go in from the outside of your eye, and lightly draw in half way. Then use an eyeliner brush to smoothie or soften the line.
You look great Jessica!
Hey
Quote from: Floof on January 30, 2017, 12:01:04 PM
Dam' you do amazing makeup..
And your shy little smile is adorbs I love it, keep smiling!
Thanks for the kind words!
Quote from: ChristineRachel on January 30, 2017, 12:10:01 PM
I think you look great Jessica, gona rock once that hair grows in
Thanks :) Cant wait for more length!
Thanks for having my back Angela, thanks Nina.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 30, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
wayyy too much black eyeliner around the eyes. Next time don't do it in the middle part, only use black eyeliner on the top, don't put eyeliner on your waterline, and if you need to put black on the bottom lid I suggest eyeshadow; it's less harsh. In my opinion the way you have it makes you look like a gothic boy. If you only went halfway with it it would make a big difference.
I stopped using black on the lower as I realised it was narrowing my eyes. Photos 3/4. Got my eyebrows done today too.
Thanks
Jessica
Quote from: JessicaK on January 30, 2017, 03:40:03 PM
HeyThanks for the kind words!
Thanks :) Cant wait for more length!
Thanks for having my back Angela, thanks Nina.
I stopped using black on the lower as I realised it was narrowing my eyes. Photos 3/4. Got my eyebrows done today too.
Thanks
Jessica
i noticed that the 3rd and fourth were different, but still way to harsh how your putting it on the top. I think you would look more feminine if you didn't go so far towards the middle on the top lid, I also think you would look better with no cat eye or a less dramatic one.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 30, 2017, 03:54:01 PM
i noticed that the 3rd and fourth were different, but still way to harsh how your putting it on the top. I think you would look more feminine if you didn't go so far towards the middle on the top lid, I also think you would look better with no cat eye or a less dramatic one.
Thanks, i'll have a play around over the next couple of days :)
Jessica
Quote from: josie76 on January 28, 2017, 05:28:59 PM
OK girls, how do i pass? ??? or not ::)
Oh right I know I have a shadow showing. I didn't use anything to cover it.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/615/32536857836_913bab8e6a_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RzaUgw)IMG_20170128_165002032 (https://flic.kr/p/RzaUgw) by Josie H (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149006210@N03/), on Flickr
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The only things that stand out to me -- and part of this may be lighting -- is the shadow and jawline. That said, I think once you're able to ditch the shadow (yeah, I know, $$$... my girlfriend is transitioning and looking the prices for electrolysis), you could pass. I know several cis women who have strong jawlines. Every so often they might get misgendered, but upon correction, the person is usually mortified.
Something you might consider, if you haven't already, is grow the hair out long enough (if you're able to handle the dysphoria; totally understand if you can't) to get the facial hair professionally waxed. That lasts, in my experience, 6-8wks. That would give you a better idea of how your jawline would look without facial hair. (At least for me, the facial hair is what causes the most dysphoria for me; it may be different for you.) If you've got the money to spare, I'd suggest it; a facial wax isn't that terribly expensive in comparison to a full body wax, which can run $200+.
My facial hair starts to grow back within 12hrs of shaving. It is dysphoria inducing. I recently bought an epilator, which is another option. That said, while I've had a great experience with it -- coming on 3wks and barely any hair! -- my trans girlfriend who has much thicker hair has not had success with it. The one I bought is the Braun Silk 9, if you're curious. It's about $100, and usually lasts 4-6wks, which significantly lessens my dysphoria.
My aforementioned girlfriend, Mia Elora, who is also on Susan's (I've permission to mention her by name), had a negative experience with it. For her, it felt like the hairs were being yanked out at the skin level rather than being tweezed, and the hair grew back within a couple days.
I know there are are also home laser tools, but I've no experience with them, and they're about $500 vs. $100. I decided on the epilator for now, and I've had really good luck with it. However, I should note that I am abnormal in that I only experienced pain up towards the scalp, and that was on the max setting. I also have less facial hair than an AMAB individual.
So, there's options out there. I hope this helps some! (BTW, aside from the shadow, I probably wouldn't notice, because I know soooooo many cis women who have strong jawlines. It's not just a "male" thing. Cis women have strong jawlines, too. :) )
*hugs and cookies of choice offered* <3
Quote from: JessicaK on January 30, 2017, 11:53:39 AM
Some new photos from the past week :)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sjlk6dAUsso/WI9Rg5xP5RI/AAAAAAAAAA4/_1rHWxgo9qYKpZ2phHlWkk2MuJi3XBPfgCLcB/s640/IMG_20170124_204456.jpg)
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PS I hate my smile lol
Jessica
Girl. You are rocking that pixie cut. You've absolutely got the facial structure for it. I'm also envious of your mad makeup skillz, because I sure as hell can't pull it off that well. I disagree with the other comment saying it's too much eyeliner -- but I'm biased, being a goth and all. We sorta go all out for the melodramatic look. (Oh, the differing opinions on makeup!)
If you're going for a gothic/punk/alternative look, you definitely pull it off. The only comment I might make is trying a lipstick that is a touch darker. Only a
touch, else it'll be too much. Or, well, it'll be definitely dramatic and gothic. Honestly, whether the makeup is too much depends on what look you're going for. And that's totally a personal choice -- and you don't have to stick with one style, either! There is so much makeup out there. Soooo much makeup... so little money... *longing sigh*
As for whether you pass... I can say for absolute certain I know cis girls who go for the same style you're rocking, and the only reason I might stop and take a second (or third... or fourth ;) ) glance because damn, girl, you're cute as hell. As far as I'm concerned, you definitely pass, and you're damn cute, too. :)
*hugs and cookies of choice offered* <3
Quote from: StevieC9 on July 01, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Well, posted a pic in 5.0 but now that's closed and I forgot to actually ask if I could pass. I'm at about 6months hrt and just wondered what others opinions were.
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Just my honest opinion.... Yeah you could pass as is.... But u cld pass so much easier with a little tweaking but u don't have to unless u want it like.... Wearing softer/lighter colors, maybe a lip filler, alarplasty and a scalp advancement....
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Here's a recent. I get my smile [emoji19]. Sometimes I feel good about myself, most times I don't. What do you all think.
There is a huge potential to be really passable and eventually become hot.... Hair is too forward and looks kinda fakei.... A good eyebrow, a lip lift or lip filler might help... Just my opinion...
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Ii posted this in the fabulous thread too but I wanted some feedback in here too,
I want to come out ASAP but i'm still pre everything and will have the wait for hormones so i'm a little worried about being full time with no hrt ???
Also the lighting and my cheekbones cast such a badly placed shadow on my face which makes it look like im trying to cover facial hair but I literally can't even grow any on the sides on my face in the places ???
Beyond passable... Gorgeous actually!
Does anyone have a conection with Confetti?? I have not heard from her in months :/
Quote from: Vervain on January 31, 2017, 12:24:23 AM
Girl. You are rocking that pixie cut. You've absolutely got the facial structure for it. I'm also envious of your mad makeup skillz, because I sure as hell can't pull it off that well. I disagree with the other comment saying it's too much eyeliner -- but I'm biased, being a goth and all. We sorta go all out for the melodramatic look. (Oh, the differing opinions on makeup!)
If you're going for a gothic/punk/alternative look, you definitely pull it off. The only comment I might make is trying a lipstick that is a touch darker. Only a touch, else it'll be too much. Or, well, it'll be definitely dramatic and gothic. Honestly, whether the makeup is too much depends on what look you're going for. And that's totally a personal choice -- and you don't have to stick with one style, either! There is so much makeup out there. Soooo much makeup... so little money... *longing sigh*
As for whether you pass... I can say for absolute certain I know cis girls who go for the same style you're rocking, and the only reason I might stop and take a second (or third... or fourth ;) ) glance because damn, girl, you're cute as hell. As far as I'm concerned, you definitely pass, and you're damn cute, too. :)
*hugs and cookies of choice offered* <3
Thank you so much, confidence boost absorbed! :D
I'm actually going to buy a darker red soon. I was using snapchat filters the other day and came across the lipstick one which uses darker lipstick. Totally suited me lol. I'll have to try a few different colours next time I'm shopping :)
Hugs and cookies (triple choc) accepted <3
Jessica
JessicaK do what makes you feel good about yourself. I remember being told that I was using too much eye liner by someone. I looked at different women out in public and noticed that there are so many different ways that women wear makeup. I decided to do what makes me feel good and what I like. If you look at almost all of my photos I use a lot of eyeliner and mascara on my eyes. I've been full time for over a year and a half and I'm constantly getting complements on my makeup. I think you are well on your way girl. Keep experimenting and when you find the style that you like you will know it.
I have little to no makeup experience at all but I do believe everyone is spot on because it is from their perspective. In the end if you take in the advice as I do and then form your own opinion, you can't go wrong. Be you unless you can be Batgirl then be Batgirl...smiles! -Jaime
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Quote from: jgravitt01 on January 31, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
...I do believe everyone is spot on because it is from their perspective. In the end if you take in the advice as I do and then form your own opinion, you can't go wrong. ...
I think this thread is for just that: hearing other perspectives on one's appearance. It is not the end all what people say in this thread, but if you only go to where people will tell you what you
want to hear, then you will gain nothing. ;)
maybe a bit unorthodox but does my voice pass? im still nervous to use it in public around strangers. I figure it should be okay to post here since voice is considered part of your appearance, but just in case it's not here a dress pic too
vocaroo.com/i/s0OV9KKZoVP1
(https://s28.postimg.org/d1ndr51st/IMG_20170112_000840.jpg)
Quote from: Korra- on January 31, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
maybe a bit unorthodox but does my voice pass? im still nervous to use it in public around strangers. I figure it should be okay to post here since voice is considered part of your appearance, but just in case it's not here a dress pic too
vocaroo.com/i/s0OV9KKZoVP1
Heey, I think your voice sorta cracks a bit towards the end of the clip which is the only thing that sounded out of place, but frankly if I didn't know you were a transwoman I don't think I would have reacted to it.. I'm no expert on this stuff, my voice is pretty bad.. But it think yours for the most part sounded really nice, I wouldn't have been wondering if i was talking to a woman or not if that was us talking on the phone.
You look absolutely lovely ;D
Quote from: ainsley on January 31, 2017, 11:24:04 AM
I think this thread is for just that: hearing other perspectives on one's appearance. It is not the end all what people say in this thread, but if you only go to where people will tell you what you want to hear, then you will gain nothing. ;)
Totally agree Ainsley.
Sometimes I look at this thread and think about giving advice, but then I decide not to. That's because what I see might be different than what others see, so I keep my comments to myself.
I've found after almost 10 years full time, that those people I've suggested advice, they don't take it.
For example, I've suggested seeking out a makeup artist - someone who works out of their home for a consultation. Don't think anyone has ever taken that advice from me.
Again, I'm far from perfect. I never had FFS, but I did learn all I could from a makeup artist. And that is why I have lived full time almost from day 1.
Quote from: Floof on January 31, 2017, 11:42:00 AM
Heey, I think your voice sorta cracks a bit towards the end of the clip which is the only thing that sounded out of place, but frankly if I didn't know you were a transwoman I don't think I would have reacted to it.. I'm no expert on this stuff, my voice is pretty bad.. But it think yours for the most part sounded really nice, I wouldn't have been wondering if i was talking to a woman or not if that was us talking on the phone.
You look absolutely lovely ;D
this one should be alot better
vocaroo.com/i/s1hnltYnCviA
I was reminded of this thread with all the recent news about Sally Yates (the ousted US Attorney General). Do a google image search of her to see all her photos.
I wonder if her photo was posted here, how many people would say that she doesn't pass. Her hair is short, her eyes are deep-set, she has some slight brow bossing, her nose is not that feminine, her lips are thin, and she has a fairly wide jaw. She also wears minimal makeup.
I think in many ways, voice is equal to or maybe even more important than looks. If anyone misgenders you, or suspects you, you can quickly squash any suspicions with a distinctly female voice. And that's what a cis woman would do, right? So as important as looks may be to passing, I'd encourage everyone to work on their voice even more than their looks. Set aside time literally every day to work on your voice. And don't give up until you get it - even if it takes 200 consecutive days of practice or more. For when your voice passes, you will pass too.
Quote from: Korra- on January 31, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
this one should be alot better
vocaroo.com/i/s1hnltYnCviA
Ohw yea, I don't think you have anything to worry about, thats sounds great! I can only hope I can work myself up to the same level. Really, I'm not just being nice and cutesy because I don't want you to feel bad... To me that sounds like any woman.
I think honest constructive criticism is what most are looking for when they post here ....as long as it's done in a polite and respectful way. I've posted a few pics recently, and I would personally rather hear about the not so great things rather than the short and perhaps ambiguous feedback I usually get. For instance, I've been told I look young for my age (which I'm happy to hear :) ....but I'm not sure if that means, a young passable woman or as a young looking semi-fem man that doesn't yet have a hope. Sometimes it's difficult how to take that...does it mean you pass easily and you should get on with your life, or does it mean you're not even close and people would rather stay away from commenting. I would rather know the entire honest truth. This is especially important since most of us are feeling quite vulnerable when we post here....no or terse feedback can be just as damaging as too much. Honesty with respect and everyone pushes forward with their goals.
@mirya: couldn't agree more. voice id one of the deciding factors in passing or not. i dont mean to sound anti lgbt or harsh but having a "gay man voice" sometimes isn't good enough, especially if the other things about your appearance is somewhat questionable. that outline be the tipping point in getting clocked or even worse, gendered male. I kniw because I started presenting female part time before I had even an effeminate male voice and it got me many many odd looks and stares and too many sirs to count. it really pays off to go the extra mile and train your voice because even on days where I look a hot mess cis people just go with what they see and hear and gender me correctly. doesn't mean I don't get nervous though girl voice is still new to me and like any other tran woman I get a bit anxious at times about it
@floof: thank you! it took many months and a lot of failing to get it to where it's at! I still have a long way to go before I reach my goalbut that's good enough to get me though socal interaction at least. you can get there too just practice practice practice
@stacim: okay ill try to give more feedback even if it's pointing out areas that need improvement. generally i avoided it in the past because some pictures I see need a lot of work and im not sure if that's what they want to hear or positive reinforcement. so to not step on any toes I literally don't say anything
Thanks Korra. That happens to be my thoughts on feedback but I would be curious to know what others would prefer...maybe my thoughts are the minority :)
Quote from: staciM on January 31, 2017, 01:37:29 PM
Thanks Korra. That happens to be my thoughts on feedback but I would be curious to know what others would prefer...maybe my thoughts are the minority :)
for me its always a scary thing giving honest feedback from my point of view bc i dont want to deem privileged or stuck up since I realize I'm alot younger than most here and was lucky enough to pass and go full tune before I was one year on hrt. so in my mind i have to tread carefully and choose my words especially considering so many ladies here have wildly different backgrounds.
"My aforementioned girlfriend, Mia Elora, who is also on Susan's (I've permission to mention her by name), had a negative experience with it. For her, it felt like the hairs were being yanked out at the skin level rather than being tweezed, and the hair grew back within a couple days."
Yeah, for me the epilator just managed to remove less than half of the hair. The rest of the hair broke at slightly above the surface of the skin. As with everything and everyone, though, YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary)
I'm just glad it's working well for Vervain. :-*
Hi All,
There are a lot of emotions in play when it comes to the subject of being seen in the way we want to be seen... The fight to make ourselves seen by others, in the way we want, is a huge part of this journey.... How we view our success in this endeavor can make the difference between it being an amazing journey or a descent into misery
I think the OP or mods might want to consider a thread title change to something more like " I'm looking for constructive ideas on improving my look"... I know that is a bit of a band aid approach but it might set a little different tone than subjective judgements concerning how closely we pass as something we are not.... Cis women... In the end, all we truly need to pass as is ourselves... Females!!! :)
Females with love in their hearts... ready to help their sisters who request help... and do so in a loving way
Onward we go brave sisters
Ashley :)
Hey Vervain, I'll take you up on the cookies ;)
Anyway I appreciate the honest opinions. I've been working on the shadow with a home IPL for a while. It's actually a WHOLE lot thinner than it used to be if you can believe it.
By jawline do you mean my chin? To me that stands out the most.
Ashley, I'll try a smile the next time I update my avatar. You are so right about being on a although to a happier life.
Ashley, I totally agree with renaming the thread.
Having a question like "do I pass?" Has three outcomes: yes, no, yes with a little help.
No one wants to hear they don't pass, but if it were me, I would want to hear from those who have lived full time for at least a couple years. I wouldn't want advice from someone who's never presented in public yet. In the end, isn't living full time or presenting in public the real test?
Thank goodness I have a thick exterior. While I've never been outed, I do take constructive criticism for what it is - to help me.
Quote from: josie76 on January 31, 2017, 05:35:46 PM
Ashley, I'll try a smile the next time I update my avatar. You are so right about being on a although to a happier life.
Amazing things await you Josie!!! :)
When You're Smiling
Dean Martin
Lyrics
When you're smilin', when you're smilin'
The whole world smiles with you
When you're laughin', oh when you're laughin'
The sun comes shinin' through
Life is short sisters... What we do and the things we take on just to make our lives what we need them to be can be so overwhelming at times... Don't forget to not fixate on the destination so much that you miss the amazing aspects of the process of your transition from your old life to a life that is truly your own... Enjoy the ride!!!...and when you are feeling that where you want to be is still a far and difficult journey.., remember to look behind you and marvel at how far you have already come...
For those here just starting out their journey.. This path is an ever evolving series of revelations about your past, your present, your connection to others, your place in the world and the road ahead... However you picture things now... Things will likely b a bit different... In many ways better if, you are open to all that is to come... Move forward with confidence... Knowing you have a place in this world just like everyone else
Be gentle with yourself, be gentle with others and get out there and mix it up with the rest of life... That's what it's all about... In the end, all that really matters is our loving connections with others in this world... Ok... Getting off my soapbox now...
Onward we go brave sisters,
Ashley :)
Quote from: Korra- on January 31, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
maybe a bit unorthodox but does my voice pass? im still nervous to use it in public around strangers. I figure it should be okay to post here since voice is considered part of your appearance, but just in case it's not here a dress pic too
vocaroo.com/i/s0OV9KKZoVP1
(https://s28.postimg.org/d1ndr51st/IMG_20170112_000840.jpg)
Just let your smile out more!
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 30, 2017, 12:24:03 PM
wayyy too much black eyeliner around the eyes. Next time don't do it in the middle part, only use black eyeliner on the top, don't put eyeliner on your waterline, and if you need to put black on the bottom lid I suggest eyeshadow; it's less harsh. In my opinion the way you have it makes you look like a gothic boy. If you only went halfway with it it would make a big difference.
This is great advice about the waterline! I don't normally use more than just eye shadow and lip gloss but I know I've made this mistake!
Another nice (popular)option is to use a white eyeliner in your waterline and inside corner, really opens the eye up.
Quote from: LShipley on January 31, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
Just let your smile out more!
honestly i have an awkward smile that im not really used to using often. i am practicing in front of the mirror to try and improve though! thanks for the tip!
(https://s24.postimg.org/lo1ml76np/IMG_20170131_221529.jpg)
Hi girlfriends :icon_chick:
No-one's in trouble, just a reminder
As you all probably already know, there are several makeup looks and styles and what works for you may not work quite as well for someone else or the look they're going for
So whether you are going Goth, Tramp, Supermodel, Rock Star, Country Girl, Drowned Beach Babe (Me) or one of many other styles...
Let's make sure we're giving constructive and helpful advice
Smiles and Hugs
Love you all
Quote from: Korra- on January 31, 2017, 10:26:04 PM
honestly i have an awkward smile that im not really used to using often. i am practicing in front of the mirror to try and improve though! thanks for the tip!
(https://s24.postimg.org/lo1ml76np/IMG_20170131_221529.jpg)
Korra you have a beautiful smile !
Karrie
Hiya,
I dunno what to say but here's an awkward mirror pic of me
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sGKG0WYaRuB5Q038wlNK2O8My7L_oipDGfwV-hmkqPHlQAkLuFF-IiQy1mJefDyYHt3Fr3FueFb-GQMRN7JVAMNBLQc7Qq7u0vPW5UTJwzhgzT3NPVLzd5-q0P7PfOoIiXPQmP14NqH277B_z0cgnvhU8tLOuzYIQGpdiOPXE9QuFWj6DcyF1nTkGz5SiAbKV-ddYvgj-CQuauG9sz9DLivEtalddlvuzGXsndStWRMAaf1XliDcTVMS_BMEkBSp4nLp0H5ItV4mwFnP3eI5_Pv7cR5zcWrzWAeJRGLeTiwO4Fs_AaZObuWX8OlcU79um-sd3Fz4FLJ9Z5OfbdFjp9oKG4uHt-mXtBzGh1Qsz3WO5ojbZy6T2fW155Mg_SAGdBu7m-QP1eHsFRw45oxjupGpQwj4e-4wUVIa0fKrZtme_p_fdcGTKVelfaZ-OQngEBytjTrpZ7KSsTF3_LZsKc-xv4xpRKF-5pC8Kb_dHZfnnsC_XVFYZj-szVwlzUB3mJMtNfo2-pW-JsVlXDIfTVl6BJgNCRFy7QkTi-v2eTBaQyldA1t__PIaXMUq2cNJg2Z6EWo6vy5qXyErEX9-yyPITy7jNcORTb7-axDbJ7IwxBEm1cbq74B6UQadeAJD1bTHKfMzTafjtiwEXXOklLsZ6TWlQzCp3HSU96-eGg=w957-h1275-no)
i'm just kinda straight up wondering how I look. I haven't been on hormones for too long and I'm new to the whole "fashion sense" thing.
There is nothing more fun than having a throat infection when you are working on your voice!
First speech and language therapy next week so I hope to heck it clears up.
Jessica
Quote from: Korra- on January 31, 2017, 10:26:04 PM
honestly i have an awkward smile that im not really used to using often. i am practicing in front of the mirror to try and improve though! thanks for the tip!
(https://s24.postimg.org/lo1ml76np/IMG_20170131_221529.jpg)
There! Only feels awkward because it's new but it looks great :)
Quote from: Korra- on January 31, 2017, 10:26:04 PM
honestly i have an awkward smile that im not really used to using often. i am practicing in front of the mirror to try and improve though! thanks for the tip!
(https://s24.postimg.org/lo1ml76np/IMG_20170131_221529.jpg)
There is absolutely nothing awkward about your smile. It looks authentic and super cute!
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:police: Topic locked for clean up.
Things have gotten heated and yes some rudeness.
I am going to go in and edit a few posts and delete a few posts. This may take me a while as I can not do just moderation full time. I will open this topic back up when I am done.
While one needs thick skin to do what many of us are doing and to accept constructive criticism, judgements on personal opinions do not make them fact.
I will try to contact all who's post's I adjust or remove. As is always the case, if anyone has problems and feels unfairly treated with and by my actions; you are welcome to discuss it with Cindy or Susan.
Sincerely,
Joanna
:police: Topic unlocked.
Folks, as many have said, this is a topic that can get very personal. Please be aware of that when posting for comment and when commenting. As long as it is an opinion and it is with respect and not hostile we are all good.
No one here has an empirical truth as to what looks good, what doesn't and who passes 100% of the time.
We are here to help each other.
I do not plan to re name this topic as it has existed for multiple generations as it is. It is one of the more brutal topics to bravely post into(notice, I have not posted here- I am too chicken) ;). There are other topics that are more welcoming along a similar style. As always, feel free to start a new topic.
Now. The lecture is done. Let's all be careful out there. There can be enough aggression in the world around us. Let's encourage each other here.
With warmth,
Joanna
Quote from: Joanna50 on February 01, 2017, 03:41:20 PM
:police: Topic unlocked.
Folks, as many have said, this is a topic that can get very personal. Please be aware of that when posting for comment and when commenting. As long as it is an opinion and it is with respect and not hostile we are all good.
No one here has an empirical truth as to what looks good, what doesn't and who passes 100% of the time.
We are here to help each other.
I do not plan to re name this topic as it has existed for multiple generations as it is. It is one of the more brutal topics to bravely post into(notice, I have not posted here- I am too chicken) ;). There are other topics that are more welcoming along a similar style. As always, feel free to start a new topic.
Now. The lecture is done. Let's all be careful out there. There can be enough aggression in the world around us. Let's encourage each other here.
With warmth,
Joanna
Was that a Hill Street Blues reference or just accidental!
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Maybe ;). Plus, just truth.
sorry idk how to multi quote so don't feel left out by my general comment! thanks all!! it really means a lot to know my smile is okay it was giving me a lot if anxiety and I woukd often refrain from smiling bc if it. ill keep working toward becoming confident and secure in it going forward!
@andracass you dont look bad at all, and i love the outfit it serously looks stylish. I do think your face needs some more time for hrt to soften it up and add a little fat in the right areas. If you don't mind me saying you're in the feminine guy zone (sorry no offense intended!) right now and over the course of the next about 7 months or so your features will slowly drift toward androgynous. While you're waiting on the painfully slow process (I hated waiting too and would think every day hurry up already darn it) to do its thing try practicing a bit with makeup and getting your eyebrows arched and cleaned up. Arched eyebrows go a very long way in making your face appear more feminine. Sephora is a great place to learn because the makeup artists give you all the help you need and are very trans friendly. Hope this helps :]
Quote from: Korra- on February 01, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
it really means a lot to know my smile is okay it was giving me a lot if anxiety and I woukd often refrain from smiling bc if it. ill keep working toward becoming confident and secure in it going forward!
Korra, your smile is amazing. When you smile, your cheeks are perfect. Totally adorable, keep it up :)
Quote from: Korra- on February 01, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
@andracass you dont look bad at all, and i love the outfit it serously looks stylish. I do think your face needs some more time for hrt to soften it up and add a little fat in the right areas. If you don't mind me saying you're in the feminine guy zone (sorry no offense intended!) right now and over the course of the next about 7 months or so your features will slowly drift toward androgynous. While you're waiting on the painfully slow process (I hated waiting too and would think every day hurry up already darn it) to do its thing try practicing a bit with makeup and getting your eyebrows arched and cleaned up. Arched eyebrows go a very long way in making your face appear more feminine. Sephora is a great place to learn because the makeup artists give you all the help you need and are very trans friendly. Hope this helps :]
I don't mind it, thanks- I've just been kinda wondering how i look to someone who's never met me.
I'm bad at judge-y type things so my opinion probs doesn't mean much but I like your face.
Everyone looks like they're coming along nicely in their transitions to me. I just realized I had a butt and wider hips apparently that I should have noticed 4 mo ago x.x I doubt I'd post that here LOL!
This is such an inspiring thread, everyone is working so hard and doing so well! I wanted to throw my own concerns around a bit..
My voice is still pretty bad so I know I don't pass for that reason, but just like many of you I have concerns about my face and would love some feedback I can use to improve! I have so much motivation to better myself after starting HRT.
Don't be afraid to say what you think, please! I would VERY much appreciate the honest feedback without too much sugar on top -constructive kind prefered. I'm a big girl, I can take it ;D . I'm not wearing any makeup in these so you can see my face as is, and my main concern is my nose and jawline. I often notice people stare very intensely at me even when I haven't spoken to or near them, so there is obviously a major tell in my face or mannerism that give away my situation. I feel like I have my gait and general movements/behavior pretty much down though.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fy9O1Gnd.jpg&hash=f0dc359b95112a2256a56343d8cca0a99753816a)
http://i.imgur.com/y9O1Gnd.jpg
How would I take attention away from my nose and soften the jawline? Or are you seing something else that I should be concerned with? I am a total newb when it comes to makeup, only been doing some very light stuff for years and not daring to be adventurous with it. Working hard on improving it now, but I feel like that would be easier with some input from other people.. (click the links to see the pics bigger)
Have a silly face as well, thank you so much for any and all help and suggestions <3
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0mNpwCZ.jpg&hash=d336f087441bfb713bb44ae1665cd68861bfbe7b)
http://i.imgur.com/0mNpwCZ.jpg
As a trans woman knowingly looking for any masculine features, I can't see really any! So your nose is straight. A lot of women's are. IF you would be thinking about surgery one day that would be the only thing. You know, if you wanted to look like a model or whatever. ;)
But in all seriousness, you look so naturally feminine. This is just for sarcasm but, I hate you! Lol.
No really you do look so great. :D
Quote from: Floof on February 02, 2017, 06:14:07 AM
Don't be afraid to say what you think, please! I would VERY much appreciate the honest feedback without too much sugar on top -constructive kind prefered. I'm a big girl, I can take it ;D . I'm not wearing any makeup in these so you can see my face as is, and my main concern is my nose and jawline. I often notice people stare very intensely at me even when I haven't spoken to or near them, so there is obviously a major tell in my face or mannerism that give away my situation. I feel like I have my gait and general movements/behavior pretty much down though.
Hey. You look beautiful in my honest opinion.
You have a feminine face, your lips are awesome and I'm totally jealous!
Can't believe you're no wearing makup. For me, makeup is my shield. Hides me when i'm embarrassed and helps me pass. Your skin is so clear looking and you have class hair.
I can't see any adams apple at all and you nose is perfect.
I would recommend a very slight brow lift possibly?
keep experimenting with makeup even if your just spending the night in, hone your skills. Watch some youtube videos. A dark-ish red lipstick would look great I think.
You look awesome!
Jessica
Quote from: josie76 on February 02, 2017, 07:14:52 AM
As a trans woman knowingly looking for any masculine features, I can't see really any! So your nose is straight. A lot of women's are. IF you would be thinking about surgery one day that would be the only thing. You know, if you wanted to look like a model or whatever. ;)
But in all seriousness, you look so naturally feminine. This is just for sarcasm but, I hate you! Lol.
No really you do look so great. :D
OMG :D You are too kind really, IDK what to say! I always was a pretty feminine kid, and I guess I'm still in time to prevent developing all of my dads stronger features -we have very similar faces. There's just something about those people staring so intensely and for so long at me though, that makes me feel really insecure and that there is definitely something with me that is a major tell. Your kind words make me feel better about it though, thank you <3
I am pretty scared about doing any more surgery than I absolutely need to, but I feel like a minor adjustment of the nose would be a big help.
Quote from: JessicaK on February 02, 2017, 08:04:55 AM
Hey. You look beautiful in my honest opinion.
You have a feminine face, your lips are awesome and I'm totally jealous!
Can't believe you're no wearing makup. For me, makeup is my shield. Hides me when i'm embarrassed and helps me pass. Your skin is so clear looking and you have class hair.
I can't see any adams apple at all and you nose is perfect.
I would recommend a very slight brow lift possibly?
keep experimenting with makeup even if your just spending the night in, hone your skills. Watch some youtube videos. A dark-ish red lipstick would look great I think.
You look awesome!
Jessica
Aahw thanks, I appreciate you praising my skin cus I worked hard on it ;D . I have a skin care routine that has helped just so much in clearing it up and making it fairly uniform in color, and I follow it very carefully. Only main issue are ingrown hairs I get from lasering, that create awful red bumps :P . I guess I'm just blessed with naturally thick hair.. But yours look pretty thick and full too, I imagine you could have some great long hair.
My adams apple sits very high, so these days it is concealed behind my little flob of chin fat, that also isn't very visible. When you say brow lift, could you kindly specify a bit? I think I know what you mean, and I do have this sort of 'resting angry face' thing, I make an effort to smile a lot and try to open my eyes a bit when I'm out and about :laugh:
Anyway thanks, I really appreciate it both of you <3
I agree with the other comments, I think you look great, very naturally feminine. Unless you sit down in a skirt with your legs wide open, i wouldn't even consider you to be anything but cis. In addition, like Josie....I also hate you!! :) :P
Quote from: Raye on February 01, 2017, 09:18:10 PM
Everyone looks like they're coming along nicely in their transitions to me. I just realized I had a butt and wider hips apparently that I should have noticed 4 mo ago x.x I doubt I'd post that here LOL!
I wanna see if you ever work up the courage! I was on pills for about a year and then switched to injections and omg did my figure explode outward. Did you notice any hip pain or soreness at all when they were growing?
Quote from: Floof on February 02, 2017, 06:14:07 AM
This is such an inspiring thread, everyone is working so hard and doing so well! I wanted to throw my own concerns around a bit..
My voice is still pretty bad so I know I don't pass for that reason, but just like many of you I have concerns about my face and would love some feedback I can use to improve! I have so much motivation to better myself after starting HRT.
Don't be afraid to say what you think, please! I would VERY much appreciate the honest feedback without too much sugar on top -constructive kind prefered. I'm a big girl, I can take it ;D . I'm not wearing any makeup in these so you can see my face as is, and my main concern is my nose and jawline. I often notice people stare very intensely at me even when I haven't spoken to or near them, so there is obviously a major tell in my face or mannerism that give away my situation. I feel like I have my gait and general movements/behavior pretty much down though.
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http://i.imgur.com/y9O1Gnd.jpg
How would I take attention away from my nose and soften the jawline? Or are you seing something else that I should be concerned with? I am a total newb when it comes to makeup, only been doing some very light stuff for years and not daring to be adventurous with it. Working hard on improving it now, but I feel like that would be easier with some input from other people.. (click the links to see the pics bigger)
Have a silly face as well, thank you so much for any and all help and suggestions <3
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http://i.imgur.com/0mNpwCZ.jpg
Girl please they definitely aren't looking at you because you don't physically pass, they're looking because you're a pretty lady. I serously can't even find a problematic feature to help with. You were one of the lucky few blessed with naturally feminine features. The only things I can even think of to improve your passing is makeup and clothing! Do you have a picture of you with makeup on and clothes?
When I first started presenting female the looks I got were uncomfortable too, like you, I thought people were staring because something was off. We'll it turns out girls just naturally draw people's attention much more than guys and it's something that takes getting used to when you're still new to it.
Double post sorry didn't wanna draw attention away from the beautiful floof. I finally got around to making a small timeline and wanted to share it. I remember alot of my unsupportive family and some now former friends said in the first few months how I would never pass as a woman or look remotely female since I was so masculine looking and behaving pre hrt. I'd like to see their faces now just to see their jaws drop in disbelief. So to all thr ladies still early on in hrt there is a light at the end of the tunnel it just takes a while bc hrt is slow as molasses.
(https://s29.postimg.org/ftxe0punb/IMG_20170201_145025.jpg)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVTzCg4A.jpg&hash=286e9c765eb9177d158afbd5f32faa7820adeb91)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEkixDqX.jpg&hash=8ab832fb3ea52fc0426850b6bf29844688ccb373)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHXvwYXg.jpg&hash=2d7beda86f6ebcaa5c396ba8d9614faa690b614d) 10 months hrt
Quote from: staciM on February 02, 2017, 11:01:05 AM
I agree with the other comments, I think you look great, very naturally feminine. Unless you sit down in a skirt with your legs wide open, i wouldn't even consider you to be anything but cis. In addition, like Josie....I also hate you!! :) :P
You are all so sweet, I'm almost speechless, I can only take your high praise with gratitude and humility ;D .
Quote from: Korra- on February 02, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
Girl please they definitely aren't looking at you because you don't physically pass, they're looking because you're a pretty lady. I serously can't even find a problematic feature to help with. You were one of the lucky few blessed with naturally feminine features. The only things I can even think of to improve your passing is makeup and clothing! Do you have a picture of you with makeup on and clothes?
When I first started presenting female the looks I got were uncomfortable too, like you, I thought people were staring because something was off. We'll it turns out girls just naturally draw people's attention much more than guys and it's something that takes getting used to when you're still new to it.
Dam Korra.. You really think so?.. Cus it has never in my life crossed my mind that anyone looked at me for that reason. Everyone here's lifting me up so damn much I'm starting to feel seriously guilty for ever bringing up my looks in the first place!
Quote from: Korra- on February 02, 2017, 11:12:09 AM
Double post sorry didn't wanna draw attention away from the beautiful floof. I finally got around to making a small timeline and wanted to share it. I remember alot of my unsupportive family and some now former friends said in the first few months how I would never pass as a woman or look remotely female since I was so masculine looking and behaving pre hrt. I'd like to see their faces now just to see their jaws drop in disbelief. So to all thr ladies still early on in hrt there is a light at the end of the tunnel it just takes a while bc hrt is slow as molasses.
Woa, what a journey you've been on.. And you look and sound absolutely stellar. You are an incredible inspiration <3
I'm actually going to plead with you to rename the topic, as there's a misplaced comma. :) I can't help noticing this stuff after years as a writer/editor/librarian... (It should be "Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female?" Otherwise, it says "Do I Look ... as Female," which is not quite right.)
hey girls, I have a question and a total of more asking for help. Tell me, but just honestly looking at the pictures, I mean the same face, the more I look at the boy or girl? Just looking at each other every day in the mirror I do not see any changes, and on the street, people come to me to me as a girl. I mean a real opinion, does not have to be nice, important to tell me whether it is moving in the right direction
http://imgur.com/a/LkSR5
Quote from: Jenna Marie on February 02, 2017, 11:51:00 AM
I'm actually going to plead with you to rename the topic, as there's a misplaced comma. :) I can't help noticing this stuff after years as a writer/editor/librarian... (It should be "Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female?" Otherwise, it says "Do I Look ... as Female," which is not quite right.)
My daughter would feel the same way. It would freak her out. I often leave things like that for her >:-). I will change it.
Let's see if this worked right. Sadly, it will change the title and all responses from this point on but not the previous Re's.
Warmly,
Joanna
Let's see if this worked right. Sadly, it will change the title and all responses from this point on but not the previous Re's.
Huzzah! Thank you. :) (I am avid reader of the thread, though I rarely post. And now I notice there was an extra space in my comment, which just figures...)
Quote from: Anastasija on February 02, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
hey girls, I have a question and a total of more asking for help. Tell me, but just honestly looking at the pictures, I mean the same face, the more I look at the boy or girl? Just looking at each other every day in the mirror I do not see any changes, and on the street, people come to me to me as a girl. I mean a real opinion, does not have to be nice, important to tell me whether it is moving in the right direction
http://imgur.com/a/LkSR5 (http://imgur.com/a/LkSR5)
Sadly, that's what dysphoria does dear. It clouds our self perception so our own evaluation of how we look is often divorced from reality. :( But you don't have anything to worry about all I see is an attractive woman. I don't even see any tells so if I met you and didn't know in advance I would assume you were cis. Smile a bit more too :]
thx Korra, unfortunately, so it looks like when a man looks at himself in the mirror for x years, and what would have changed it sees himself old.
Quote from: Anastasija on February 02, 2017, 12:38:48 PM
thx Korra, unfortunately, so it looks like when a man looks at himself in the mirror for x years, and what would have changed it sees himself old.
yes exactly. :] you're used to how your old face looked so you can see it when you look in the mirror. Strangers can only see the new face and that is a pretty woman's face!
Quote from: roseyfox on February 02, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVTzCg4A.jpg&hash=286e9c765eb9177d158afbd5f32faa7820adeb91)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEkixDqX.jpg&hash=8ab832fb3ea52fc0426850b6bf29844688ccb373)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHXvwYXg.jpg&hash=2d7beda86f6ebcaa5c396ba8d9614faa690b614d) 10 months hrt
roseyfox,
You are way cute in these shots. I am not good at critiquing in this section. However, I think you are good to go.
Warmly,
Joanna
Quote from: Anastasija on February 02, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
hey girls, I have a question and a total of more asking for help. Tell me, but just honestly looking at the pictures, I mean the same face, the more I look at the boy or girl?
http://imgur.com/a/LkSR5
1: girl. I can find the boy if I look for him.
2: girl
3: definitely girl
Quote from: Anastasija on February 02, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
hey girls, I have a question and a total of more asking for help. Tell me, but just honestly looking at the pictures, I mean the same face, the more I look at the boy or girl? Just looking at each other every day in the mirror I do not see any changes, and on the street, people come to me to me as a girl. I mean a real opinion, does not have to be nice, important to tell me whether it is moving in the right direction
http://imgur.com/a/LkSR5
I'm trying hard to be critical but no matter how hard I look for the boy I don't see it. The improved lighting in the 3rd even says you are all female
Quote from: Korra- on February 02, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
I wanna see if you ever work up the courage! I was on pills for about a year and then switched to injections and omg did my figure explode outward. Did you notice any hip pain or soreness at all when they were growing?
The Widening happened at the same time the Realigning of the Ligaments and Pelvic Shifting occured. And I was So close to turning 25 when it did happen. So what growth DID occur was significant, but noticeable if paid enough attention. The reason why I didn't notice it until now was because at the time I still had not undergone fat distribution to put a more emphasis on the growth. However looking back at it and slowly running my hands up and down my hips there are some interesting indications there. The Pain during this time was very unsettling for me ;/
As for injections, well I pay out of pocket for everything so I can't see myself paying the extra bucks LMAO. My body just isn't as responsive to HRT like it is for most people. So although, there have been many changes - overall it doesn't feel like I changed at all some... Times...
What do you think? Could I Pass, as Female?
What would you think when we meet in the street?
Please be honest! :)
(first pic is the newer...sorter hair :) )
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Omg yes. You look great and I love the curls!!
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I absolutely see you as a woman. In the pics you totally look like who you really are.
Hugs, Jessica 💁
I think you could, you look more feminine than girls I work with.
Yes, totally
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Quote from: tskriszti on October 24, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
What do you think? Could I Pass, as Female?
What would you think when we meet in the street?
Please be honest! :)
(first pic is the newer...sorter hair :) )
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/e0/e7/aee0e7ea8dc7e4d3aecba05b14b22586.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/d9/fe/12d9feb037e7cbf68b8d8715dabaf436.jpg)
You look fine sweetie. However passability comes from how you feel. Just being myself makes me pass. And I don't look very female. People eyes just see what they think is there.
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I had heard that confidence is the key to passing, and it's true. You look really good, very female, and with a little confidence you'll pass about every time! I wish I could look as good as you!!!
Yes you are totally passable. Your shape and especially how your thighs filled out are very feminine.
Holy Toledo. With your longer hair, you're a dead ringer for my neighbor Fran.
From the photos, I cannot imagine anyone thinking anything but "very attractive woman". (I wonder whether some trans women, trying to blend in, get too many stares BECAUSE they are attractive.)
Quote from: MaryT on October 25, 2017, 10:00:21 AM
From the photos, I cannot imagine anyone thinking anything but "very attractive woman". (I wonder whether some trans women, trying to blend in, get too many stares BECAUSE they are attractive.)
People have always stared at me. When I transitioned I was totally sure everyone was staring at me for being trans. My dad told me that people were going to stare because I really am unusual looking but not in a bad way. People could be staring because I'm albino or because they find me attractive. He said unless I actually heard them say something to assume they were staring because I'm exotic looking and not because I'm trans. He suggested I smile at people who stare at me. Since I started doing that 98% of people smile back. So when someone is staring at you assume it's positive unless you know otherwise for a fact.
Quote from: Julia1996 on October 25, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
My dad told me that people were going to stare because I really am unusual looking but not in a bad way. People could be staring because I'm albino or because they find me attractive.
I remember one of your posts mentioning that your boyfriend commented that you looked like a girl even in your pre-transition photos, so I'm sure that only people who knew you from school could recognise you as trans.
I would give years of my life to look like you or Kriszti.
Quote from: MaryT on October 25, 2017, 10:00:21 AM
From the photos, I cannot imagine anyone thinking anything but "very attractive woman". (I wonder whether some trans women, trying to blend in, get too many stares BECAUSE they are attractive.)
I try not to look around when i'm outside just incase I do see someone staring or even looking at me. I'm still really young and transitioned early, but I still feel like I have dude features, especially height (I'm 5'11). I do also have hair long enough so that it touches my bum, but all of that goes out of the window if I see someone looking at me, it instantly means ''CHRIST THEY'VE CLOCKED ME!'' in my head, haha. Probably doesn't help that i'm also whiter than printer paper. All of your other 'weirdnesses' or 'unusual' features mean nothing when you're trans, as you feel like the only reason people could be looking at you if because you're trans.
Thank you girls for the so many nice words. I'm happy to read that you think I'm so feminine. Mostly don't think that and do always very nervous about if I pass as a girl outside. My belly is too big, my "breasts" too small, my hair not so silky and nice....etc
As someone wrote, the most important thing is confidence. But this is simpler in theory :) In time I hope I get more self-confidence and do everyday stuff as a woman easier.
Quote from: tskriszti on October 24, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
What do you think? Could I Pass, as Female?
What would you think when we meet in the street?
Please be honest! :)
(first pic is the newer...sorter hair :) )
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/e0/e7/aee0e7ea8dc7e4d3aecba05b14b22586.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/d9/fe/12d9feb037e7cbf68b8d8715dabaf436.jpg)
Oh yeah, I would not even question that you were not a woman. You look great!
Quote from: Aibhilín on October 27, 2017, 07:11:17 PM
I try not to look around when i'm outside just incase I do see someone staring or even looking at me. I'm still really young and transitioned early, but I still feel like I have dude features, especially height (I'm 5'11). I do also have hair long enough so that it touches my bum, but all of that goes out of the window if I see someone looking at me, it instantly means ''CHRIST THEY'VE CLOCKED ME!'' in my head, haha. Probably doesn't help that i'm also whiter than printer paper. All of your other 'weirdnesses' or 'unusual' features mean nothing when you're trans, as you feel like the only reason people could be looking at you if because you're trans.
I do the same thing. I've only just started to go out pretty feminine looking after being on HRT and hiding it for three years. I wish I could read people's minds. I so want to know if they think of me just as a woman, or if they're clocking me.
One thing I've noticed is that people don't really look at me funny when I talk to them (and I use my normal male voice) or stare or look when I'm just walking around. I can't figure out if that's because I look normal.... or like a guy or what. My best friend says I look like a lady, but I don't see it myself. I wish so badly I could have some kind of confirmation from just a stranger.
I only one see that the removal of facial hair hasn't been completed. Or is it just a shadow?
In the past, I assumed that that the best indicator of pass is the reaction of strangers. But then I came across the fact that such this criterion depends very much on the society's enlightenment. So, In Russia, I'm perceived 100% as a woman in all situations. But in Thailand, probably all people (both Thai and foreign) identified me as a ladyboy. So I'm too picky about the details of my appearance.
Something I did when I was going through my insecure phase:
I got a handful of shots of myself (different angle close ups, at the beach in my bikini, in the park wearing jeans and a couple nice outfits) and put them on one of those rank my photo sites. After a thousand or so votes I was surprised to see I got my share of "8's" and "9's," even a couple "10's." The shots that didn't show how flat I was always did better but overall I came in at a just over a "6." Sort of the "blend into the crowd cute" I was hoping was how people saw me.
This really helped my self image. I'm not uber girly or into makeup and I never kidded myself I was a beauty. It was good to find out how a group of people who had no reason to spare my feelings or inflate my ego saw me. Thinking about it this was probably a pretty extreme test. I mean most of the girls on the site are basically attractive- who posts their picture on a site like that for people to tell them they're ugly?
I do not know how to post an image to this site (I'm so technologically incompetent... can someone help or is there some reason I do not have this privilege?) :icon_confused:
Anyway, I have been told by a computer that my profile picture looks like a man :(
Do you agree?
Quote from: Yavanna on October 30, 2017, 03:41:58 AM
I only one see that the removal of facial hair hasn't been completed. Or is it just a shadow?
In the past, I assumed that that the best indicator of pass is the reaction of strangers. But then I came across the fact that such this criterion depends very much on the society's enlightenment. So, In Russia, I'm perceived 100% as a woman in all situations. But in Thailand, probably all people (both Thai and foreign) identified me as a ladyboy. So I'm too picky about the details of my appearance.
You're right. I hadn't any removal treatment. I try to shade this lack with makeup. (Obviously not very successful. :P )
That's why I'm still insecure during the daytime.
Quote from: Steph34 on October 30, 2017, 09:37:11 AM
I do not know how to post an image to this site (I'm so technologically incompetent... can someone help or is there some reason I do not have this privilege?) :icon_confused:
You should be able to link em easily with the [img] code as long as you have them uploaded someplace.
Tapatalk app for mobile simplifies it greatly by just having an attachments feature. (although far limited compared to advanced bbcode options.)
Quote from: Steph34 on October 30, 2017, 09:37:11 AM
Anyway, I have been told by a computer that my profile picture looks like a man :(
Do you agree?
I think your computer has a lot to learn lol
You look quite passable.
Quote from: flytrap on October 30, 2017, 08:02:27 AM
Something I did when I was going through my insecure phase:
I got a handful of shots of myself (different angle close ups, at the beach in my bikini, in the park wearing jeans and a couple nice outfits) and put them on one of those rank my photo sites. After a thousand or so votes I was surprised to see I got my share of "8's" and "9's," even a couple "10's." The shots that didn't show how flat I was always did better but overall I came in at a just over a "6." Sort of the "blend into the crowd cute" I was hoping was how people saw me.
This really helped my self image. I'm not uber girly or into makeup and I never kidded myself I was a beauty. It was good to find out how a group of people who had no reason to spare my feelings or inflate my ego saw me. Thinking about it this was probably a pretty extreme test. I mean most of the girls on the site are basically attractive- who posts their picture on a site like that for people to tell them they're ugly?
That is such a great idea! Thank you for sharing that. I'm probably going to do just that!
<3
Quote from: tskriszti on October 30, 2017, 12:09:00 PM
You're right. I hadn't any removal treatment. I try to shade this lack with makeup. (Obviously not very successful. :P )
That's why I'm still insecure during the daytime.
Hair removal on the face is the most important part of the transition. The lack of hair gives a pass in large measure, but the presence of hair spoils everything. Even with careful shaving, there is a noticeable gray shadow. It's not masked by conventional makeup means. And the use of high pigmented makeup results to an unnatural view in daylight conditions. All unnatural attracts the attention of others. Accordingly, people look closely and already discovering other flaws in your appearance.
Quote from: Yavanna on October 31, 2017, 02:30:11 AM
Hair removal on the face is the most important part of the transition. The lack of hair gives a pass in large measure, but the presence of hair spoils everything. Even with careful shaving, there is a noticeable gray shadow. It's not masked by conventional makeup means. And the use of high pigmented makeup results to an unnatural view in daylight conditions. All unnatural attracts the attention of others. Accordingly, people look closely and already discovering other flaws in your appearance.
True. Which hair removal technic do you prefer for face?
I use to epilate my legs and use cream for armpit, but have no experience with face (just shave).
I know there are some wax product for that, and this black stuff too (https://www.meindm.at/pflege/shop/Gesichtspflege/Masken/YEAUTY/Yeauty-Black-Head-Peel-Off-Gesichtsmaske/198029/2_10032543.action)
But maybe the most likeable is the sugarvax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD8Syh301nw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD8Syh301nw)
What's your opinion about that?
Will not my face be very red after waxing?
If you are serious about it, I think IPL or laser is the best. A less permanent solution is a face epilator.
PS: I know a good place where they do laser if you are in the country and interested.
Quote from: Lynne on November 02, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
If you are serious about it, I think IPL or laser is the best. A less permanent solution is a face epilator.
PS: I know a good place where they do laser if you are in the country and interested.
I know IPL, but first I don't want so permanent solution.
Face epilator is too painful, isn't it? The vax is less painful.
IPL is likely to only thin the hair. That's what it did for me anyway. Some hairs were just do stubborn to be killed off by the IPL. I have now started laser. On the positive side, since the IPL thinned the beard hair down, laser doesn't hurt much at all.
Is IPL something you do at home?
You can do IPL with a home unit. It will only be about 1/3 to 1/4 the power of a Dr office kind.
I have a Remington home IPL. It did do some good. I may have spent enough on the bulbs to pay for one laser session. When I first started my IPL was painful enough it had me in tears. After a few monthly treatments it became way less painful because it was thinning the hairs down. After about 6 months it no longer had any effect on the remaining hairs. That required starting laser treatments.
I did 3 sessions of IPL on my face (and other areas, but I won't get into that) and it did absolutely nothing to thin out my facial hair. I did 1 session of laser and it hurt, I now have 5% lidocaine numbing cream for next time. I've already noticed a good amount of my facial hair gone since my first laser session. I go in next week for my second session and I'm so excited that it's (hopefully) working for me!
My point is skip IPL and do laser.
Quote from: tskriszti on November 03, 2017, 03:22:29 AM
I know IPL, but first I don't want so permanent solution.
Face epilator is too painful, isn't it? The vax is less painful.
Both can be painful, especially the first time and if the facial hair is dense. I guess a normal epilator used on the face hurts more then using a face epliator. I think your face will be red for a while with both methods.
I found this article regarding face epilators:
http://epilatorgirl.com/choose-the-best-epilator-for-face-and-say-no-to-facial-hair/
(http://epilatorgirl.com/choose-the-best-epilator-for-face-and-say-no-to-facial-hair/)
Quote from: dist123 on November 03, 2017, 07:21:37 PM
I did 3 sessions of IPL on my face (and other areas, but I won't get into that) and it did absolutely nothing to thin out my facial hair. I did 1 session of laser and it hurt, I now have 5% lidocaine numbing cream for next time. I've already noticed a good amount of my facial hair gone since my first laser session. I go in next week for my second session and I'm so excited that it's (hopefully) working for me!
My point is skip IPL and do laser.
You are probably right about skipping the IPL.
I used to apply toothache cream to my face a half hour before doing the IPL. Maybe I just got lucky that it worked some for me. All I know is I didn't need any painkillers for my laser sessions.
I need another laser now but finances haven't made that possible yet. It sucks as my shadow is strong on my mustache area but very thin everywhere else. I've done 3 laser treatments up till now.
I'll resuscitate this thread, I like the third one best. I'm not quite 3.5 months HRT
(https://i.imgur.com/HsuhPh3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/azscuBJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Vl9vpdu.jpg)
Yes, as you said yourself, the 3rd picture is the best. That's because you are looking straight ahead with a big smile. Eye contact and a big smile helps everyone pass better because it's what natal women do. They are socially conditioned to smile a lot, and it's one of the things that trans women need to learn to do automatically as well in order to pass. Smile! :)
You have such beautiful eyes
Few recent pics of varying style/location..
(https://i.imgur.com/rDJFG8Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WHk4Om9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lOZFMOd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ByqV4VO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9iOOFXn.jpg)
Fara, you look gorgeous! You don't have to ask the question in the thread title: the answer is most definitely yes!
Quote from: tskriszti on October 24, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
What do you think? Could I Pass, as Female?
Yes, you pass as female.
Quote
What would you think when we meet in the street?
Please be honest! :)
I don't know your gestures, or the way you walk or how your voice sounds but if I saw you on the streets like on this photos I would think that you are a friendly looking woman. Someone I wouldn't hesitate to ask for directions in a foreign city =)
Thanks Corax and KathyLauren.. I'm told I blend pretty well in pictures and somewhat IRL.. voice is a work in progress but its getting better thanks to Speech therapy at GWU. Gestures, walk etc. I'm kinda letting develop naturally on their own.
-Fara
Quote from: Fara on December 04, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
Few recent pics of varying style/location..
(https://i.imgur.com/rDJFG8Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WHk4Om9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lOZFMOd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ByqV4VO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9iOOFXn.jpg)
ara! You look gorgeous sister!!!! 😀
Hugs!!!
Ashley 😀❤️🌻
I think you would blend in easily!
Fara... I love your hair. It looks beautiful! Amazing!! Oh, and you pass easily. You look great! (and that hair... OMG!)
Quote from: tskriszti on October 24, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
What do you think? Could I Pass, as Female?
What would you think when we meet in the street?
Please be honest! :)
(first pic is the newer...sorter hair :) )
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/e0/e7/aee0e7ea8dc7e4d3aecba05b14b22586.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/d9/fe/12d9feb037e7cbf68b8d8715dabaf436.jpg)
Yes, definitely! 100%
Fara: Most definitely! How could you think otherwise?
Om my YES! Your very cute. ;)
You are beatuful! I love your hair too. And I'd love to borrow that purple dress. :)
Quote from: Fara on December 04, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
Few recent pics of varying style/location..
(https://i.imgur.com/rDJFG8Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WHk4Om9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lOZFMOd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ByqV4VO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9iOOFXn.jpg)
Here some new pic. I upgraded my makeup :) I used corrector and lipstick to cover my stubble :P
What do you think?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/1e/a4/b81ea48d144826078b8cdc142ff2daab.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/19/5c/d7195c0051ecba9fc1b070c489d0abf2.jpg)
Hottie
Quote from: tskriszti on December 07, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
Here some new pic. I upgraded my makeup :) I used corrector and lipstick to cover my stubble :P
What do you think?
You couldn't look more woman than that! What stubble?
- But you already knew you looked good, ;)! -
You have hot legs >:-)!
Thank you! You 're very kind!
Oh, there is a stuble (I haven't got IPL or laser yet)...but if you couldn't see, I made a good job :)
Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 07, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
You couldn't look more woman than that! What stubble?
- But you already knew you looked good, ;)! -
You have hot legs >:-)!
Quote from: tskriszti on December 07, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
Thank you! You 're very kind!
Oh, there is a stuble (I haven't got IPL or laser yet)...but if you couldn't see, I made a good job :)
I'm not being kind. I'm being honest, ;).
And you do have hot legs.
Just wondering how close do I look as Female It is ok if you need to say anything that may hurt my feelings be honest
(https://i.imgur.com/GDdpK6r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/svAoZq0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pkiwMDt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vxOQUqF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CnXKEJv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8V6ig4f.jpg)
Quote from: natalie.ashlyne on December 08, 2017, 08:50:20 PM
Just wondering how close do I look as Female It is ok if you need to say anything that may hurt my feelings be honest
How close? Completely ;D! And I don't lie to save your feelings, ;).
You look good, ;)!
Like the bunny pic especially! You look hot.
Plus the second lowest. You look beautiful.
Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 08, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
How close? Completely ;D! And I don't lie to save your feelings, ;).
You look good, ;)!
Like the bunny pic especially! You look hot.
Plus the second lowest. You look beautiful.
Aww thank you I appreciate that, you made my day. :)
I've found a new hobby apparently, ;D! Rating beautiful women daily! Fine with me, ;D!
Just send more pictures, girls, :D!
Quote from: PurpleWolf on December 08, 2017, 09:31:19 PM
I've found a new hobby apparently, ;D! Rating beautiful women daily! Fine with me, ;D!
Just send more pictures, girls, :D!
Everyone needs a hobby Wolf!!! ... 😀
Quote from: CarolAnn on December 07, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
Om my YES! Your very cute. ;)
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Quote from: natalie.ashlyne on December 08, 2017, 08:50:20 PM
Just wondering how close do I look as Female It is ok if you need to say anything that may hurt my feelings be honest
Pro makeup and very girly look. You have a very feminine face and cheek.
So don't worry, you're girly enough :)
Quote from: tskriszti on December 09, 2017, 05:39:00 PM
Pro makeup and very girly look. You have a very feminine face and cheek.
So don't worry, you're girly enough :)
Thank you I appreciate that :)
Everyone here looks amazing and should definitely pass!
Fara, you are blowing my mind though because in the bottom two of those pictures you look a lot like an adult version of my sister (she's 17). The nose and eyes are just identical.
Here's some more, I'm just over a week shy of 4 months HRT.
(https://i.imgur.com/w4pNKhR.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/q0c2zLy.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/yAYSlxj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6sfRZ9e.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kOLoYCg.jpg)
How do I look?
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on December 14, 2017, 06:46:20 PM
Here's some more, I'm just over a week shy of 4 months HRT.
How do I look?
Your body looks absolutely female :D!
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on December 14, 2017, 06:46:20 PM
Here's some more, I'm just over a week shy of 4 months HRT.
(https://i.imgur.com/w4pNKhR.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/q0c2zLy.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/yAYSlxj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6sfRZ9e.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kOLoYCg.jpg)
How do I look?
You are looking good
Quote from: natalie.ashlyne on December 14, 2017, 10:27:05 PM
You are looking good
You're too nice. I still don't like the way my face looks, I look 20 years older than I really am.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on December 14, 2017, 06:46:20 PM
Here's some more, I'm just over a week shy of 4 months HRT.
How do I look?
You look nice, but not convincing. Seems like you have natural hair, that's a plus. Your style is fine. You smile. So - many good things about your presentation. Still, your brows are too prominent. Beard shadow showing through. I think you could do better than that.
In the long run, I think FFS would be greatly improving your image, with brow ridge elimination and chin reduction. That and getting rid of your facial hair would bring a very beautiful female out.
Thank you, it is my natural hair. I'm working on the beard. Actually the morning of the day when I posted this was a laser session, I'm still full of little red bumps. I see what you mean about ffs. Though the way they do forehead sculpting really scares me. I do appreciate the constructive comments.
Quote from: tskriszti on October 24, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
What do you think? Could I Pass, as Female?
What would you think when we meet in the street?
Please be honest! :)
(first pic is the newer...sorter hair :) )
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/e0/e7/aee0e7ea8dc7e4d3aecba05b14b22586.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/d9/fe/12d9feb037e7cbf68b8d8715dabaf436.jpg)
From what I see, yes, you pass well. Back in the 1990s when I started my process, I was the Education Committee Co-chair and scheduled many speakers to come share with us girls. We had everything, being in the Bay Area. Wigs, Electrolygists, therapists, fashion consultants, charm schools and runway coaches, speech language specialists, voice coaches, and a wide variety of makeup companies that gave us all makeovers. We even had companies that gave fashion shows that gave our girls a chance to model.
From all that, the most important part of passing that was always being repeated by all is attitude. If you are confident in who you are and not project anxiety, that confidence will be the one thing tells others you are who you appear to be. Most of us, even women, have something that we are not happy about the way we look, but if you don't let it cause you anxiety and accept your flaws and project to your world, "this is me. I love me. Get over it." You will find people will accept you for who you are.
My second wife and I were senators for the associated students at the community college and we had to attend weekly business meetings that ran late and we had to take a potty break. Now my ts training taught me to get in, do my business, get out and don't linger. But when we went on our break the girls would stop me at the mirror and engage me in conversation about the meeting points and not even bat an eye. I was one of them.
So I guess what I'm saying is you have to get to a point where you accept you, flaws and all, and that will be what people see.
I would love a response to my introduction. If you have the time.
Merry Christmas!
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Quote from: tskriszti on November 03, 2017, 03:22:29 AM
I know IPL, but first I don't want so permanent solution.
Face epilator is too painful, isn't it? The vax is less painful.
IPL and lasers are better choice for DIY. But they are not permanent solution actually. You may have electrolysis for the best result. The epilators and wax are also not pleasant. But very easy and cheap solution. The decision is yours though. you can check this out < link deleted > Wish your problem is solved.
Quote from: KITTYCINDERS on December 25, 2017, 10:41:55 PM
From what I see, yes, you pass well. Back in the 1990s when I started my process, I was the Education Committee Co-chair and scheduled many speakers to come share with us girls. We had everything, being in the Bay Area. Wigs, Electrolygists, therapists, fashion consultants, charm schools and runway coaches, speech language specialists, voice coaches, and a wide variety of makeup companies that gave us all makeovers. We even had companies that gave fashion shows that gave our girls a chance to model.
From all that, the most important part of passing that was always being repeated by all is attitude. If you are confident in who you are and not project anxiety, that confidence will be the one thing tells others you are who you appear to be. Most of us, even women, have something that we are not happy about the way we look, but if you don't let it cause you anxiety and accept your flaws and project to your world, "this is me. I love me. Get over it." You will find people will accept you for who you are.
My second wife and I were senators for the associated students at the community college and we had to attend weekly business meetings that ran late and we had to take a potty break. Now my ts training taught me to get in, do my business, get out and don't linger. But when we went on our break the girls would stop me at the mirror and engage me in conversation about the meeting points and not even bat an eye. I was one of them.
So I guess what I'm saying is you have to get to a point where you accept you, flaws and all, and that will be what people see.
I would love a response to my introduction. If you have the time.
Merry Christmas!
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In my best Valley Girl voice - ah yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Quote from: mitrens on January 09, 2018, 12:00:38 PM
IPL and lasers are better choice for DIY. But they are not permanent solution actually. You may have electrolysis for the best result. The epilators and wax are also not pleasant. But very easy and cheap solution. The decision is yours though. you can check this out https://beautishe.com/best-facial-epilator/. Wish your problem is solved.
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I definitely think you do but remember not to let others opinions dictate your happiness, everyone is unique and that's what makes people beautiful. :D
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Quote from: RobinGee on January 15, 2018, 12:17:59 AM
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From the pic on your avatar you are not looking bad you look good to me
Quote from: Lozen on January 11, 2018, 12:25:47 AM
I definitely think you do but remember not to let others opinions dictate your happiness, everyone is unique and that's what makes people beautiful. :D
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Totally could pass girl, you look amazing. Rock your look, dont let others hate!!
(https://i.imgur.com/8g8KhdS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lIFJC0s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KvyyH0j.jpg)
What does everybody think?
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on March 10, 2018, 05:53:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8g8KhdS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lIFJC0s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KvyyH0j.jpg)
What does everybody think?
For sure, you pass in #3. It's the smile. A smile is an extremely feminine accessory.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on March 10, 2018, 05:53:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8g8KhdS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lIFJC0s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KvyyH0j.jpg)
What does everybody think?
@ AnamethatstartswithE: I agree with
KathyLauren about the smile is what does the trick... #3 for sure. A smile is disarming to anyone that looks at you and once they see a great smile they don't neccessary look closely at anything else... you definitely pass.
Best wishes to you in your transition journey.
Danielle
... previously Aspiringperson
Quote from: KathyLauren on March 10, 2018, 06:02:33 PM
For sure, you pass in #3. It's the smile. A smile is an extremely feminine accessory.
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on March 10, 2018, 06:57:49 PM
@ AnamethatstartswithE: I agree with KathyLauren about the smile is what does the trick... #3 for sure. A smile is disarming to anyone that looks at you and once they see a great smile they don't neccessary look closely at anything else... you definitely pass.
Best wishes to you in your transition journey.
Danielle ... previously Aspiringperson
Interesting, I felt that that was the worst one, just due to my weird facial expression. My forehead is really starting to bother me, I look like I'm part Klingon.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on March 11, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
Interesting, I felt that that was the worst one, just due to my weird facial expression. My forehead is really starting to bother me, I look like I'm part Klingon.
@ AnamethatstartswithE: Your forehead is not an issue at all.... not a boney head like a Klingon... at this point I wish that I could recall something I could say in the Klingon language.... btw, I am a fanatic of all things StarTrek so I know about Klingon foreheads!!! LOL
****..,plus no one will get past your smile in picture #3.
Danielle ....
formerly Aspiringperson
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on March 11, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
Interesting, I felt that that was the worst one, just due to my weird facial expression. My forehead is really starting to bother me, I look like I'm part Klingon.
Certainly not Klingon - yell in Klingonese :)
However, if I had as much hair as you, I'd go for bangs. To me, bangs tend to be more feminine.
Awesome all in all
And Mz Danielle from Alaska!
Despite getting rid of my friend Appy, your new avatar is very lovely.
Quote from: Cassi on March 11, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
Certainly not Klingon - yell in Klingonese :)
However, if I had as much hair as you, I'd go for bangs. To me, bangs tend to be more feminine.
Awesome all in all
I might try bangs once I'm ready to go full time. I do have a bit of a widows peak, so enough hair needs to go backwards to cover that.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on March 11, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
I might try bangs once I'm ready to go full time. I do have a bit of a widows peak, so enough hair needs to go backwards to cover that.
Kewl
I'm having fun with the bangs. Just getting used to
Hair on my forehead and in my eyes when it's windy.
Otherwise I love the look
Quote from: Cassi on March 11, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
And Mz Danielle from Alaska!
Despite getting rid of my friend Appy, your new avatar is very lovely.
@ Cassi: Oh yeah, it is a cold, snowy and windy day so I dress accordingly.
Just a note to you: Appy and I did a mind-meld so she and I are ONE.
Danielle ...
formerly Aspiringperson aka: Appy
I'm working on it. Prior to setting Cassi FREE, I had some hair on the right side of my head that tends to "comb over" lol.
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on March 11, 2018, 04:33:08 PM
@ Cassi: Oh yeah, it is a cold, snowy and windy day so I dress accordingly.
Just a note to you: Appy and I did a mind-meld so she and I are ONE.
Danielle ... formerly Aspiringperson aka: Appy
I'm sooooooooooooooo delighted that you're mind-melded and not pod'd.
So now I'm "Happy Bout Appy"
I know I'm slowly taking over this thread, but I'm a millenial so I need constant reassurance. Anyway I've been working on my makeup skills, and at 7 and a half months HRT, I'm trying to figure out when I might become ready to go full time, let me know what you think.
(https://i.imgur.com/42sLyBE.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/W9HP3G0.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dy24c3m.jpg)
Before anyone says anything, yes I need to smile more, but I can't smile 24/7. Also forgive the partially wet hair.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on April 07, 2018, 05:12:46 PM
I know I'm slowly taking over this thread, but I'm a millenial so I need constant reassurance. Anyway I've been working on my makeup skills, and at 7 and a half months HRT, I'm trying to figure out when I might become ready to go full time, let me know what you think.
I think you're very pretty and that you pass way better than I do. To be fair, if you can swing it, get laser for your face. Your facial hair is the only big thing that stands out, to me. Maybe even an eyebrow shaping. But, other than that, you're doing wonderfully on makeup and I think you pass quite well. I have a difficult time figuring it out on my own as well. If you don't want to do laser or anything, they have this orange concealer that cancels out facial hair color and makes it look like you don't have any. I'm gonna get me some of that to try it out.
Thank you for your kind words. I have been getting laser. I try to not do too much makeup, here is the most helpful guide I've found. Most of the makeup youtube videos are super complicated, whereas this is the sort of thing most women would do on a day to day basis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtarDVynVb0
My biggest issue which I don't think I can express well with pictures is my size. I'm 6'3" and about 218 lbs. Most guys are smaller than me. While I am fairly skinny, I do have very broad shoulders (which makes finding tops difficult).
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on April 10, 2018, 08:25:54 PM
Thank you for your kind words. I have been getting laser. I try to not do too much makeup ...
I've only had one treatment and I can't even tell, yet. I'm going to my second this Saturday. I try not to use too much makeup either. I used more when I went to Pride this past weekend and I knew that I shouldn't have lol. Oh well. Gotta experiment, right? I want to try using the concealer I mentioned until my facial hair is barely noticeable. I like that tutorial you posted, though.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on April 10, 2018, 08:25:54 PMMy biggest issue which I don't think I can express well with pictures is my size. I'm 6'3" and about 218 lbs. Most guys are smaller than me. While I am fairly skinny, I do have very broad shoulders (which makes finding tops difficult).
Trust me, I am in the same boat. I'm 6'2" and my shoulders are slightly broader than my hips, which still makes me look too masculine, imo. So, I know the pain. I also lift weights, which doesn't help to lessen the masculine-looking quality of my overall profile, but I have to stay within military standards, so I do what I can to avoid bulking up too much. When I begin HRT, I'm sure things will even out and get better.
Well I am starting to see some more feminine features than I did before I am going to be really trying to lose weight tomorrow no more take out or pop or junk food I want to lose 35 pounds
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLqgcUi.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/iKSSSuz.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/tLcbUwd.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/NxXI343.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4plSr42.jpg)
No makeup, 39 y/o, started HRT at 35.
(https://i.imgur.com/meS0AJV.jpg)
Eye makeup.
Quote from: LeahJoFoxtrot on April 17, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4plSr42.jpg)
No makeup, 39 y/o, started HRT at 35.
(https://i.imgur.com/meS0AJV.jpg)
Eye makeup.
I think I complimented you already, you look great.
how do you post a picture?
Quote from: ivallesa on April 19, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
how do you post a picture?
You have to upload it to a photo hosting site, and then include the address of the photo in your post here.
(https://i.imgur.com/bsxnWlz.png)
well this is me
Quote from: ivallesa on April 19, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bsxnWlz.png)
well this is me
Totally female you look great
Quote from: ivallesa on April 19, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bsxnWlz.png)
well this is me
Yes ivallesa, you should be in the fabulous thread instead. ;)
Quote from: josie76 on April 19, 2018, 09:19:15 PM
Yes ivallesa, you should be in the fabulous thread instead. ;)
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lol stop im okay
Quote from: ivallesa on April 19, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bsxnWlz.png)
well this is me
Stunning and absolutely passable.
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Quote from: ivallesa on April 19, 2018, 09:52:09 PM
lol stop im okay
Okay for a hot chick, I suppose. ;)
Quote from: ivallesa on April 19, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bsxnWlz.png)
well this is me
Very pretty! You are 100 percent passable. I'm so jealous of your beautiful, feminine hands.
Well thank you but I guess I just have low self esteem so I tend to have very low opnions of myself but it's whatever :)
I've been experimenting with makeup some more. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be coming out soon and going full time, please let me know whether I'm on the right track.
(https://i.imgur.com/yskIOnp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HdKzTBH.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/h2eipkR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/803niPs.jpg)
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 02, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
I've been experimenting with makeup some more. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be coming out soon and going full time, please let me know whether I'm on the right track.
I would say you pass way more than I would, in public. I can still slightly tell, if I'm being honest. I don't know what it is, but I do think you're pretty. :)
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 02, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
I've been experimenting with makeup some more. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be coming out soon and going full time, please let me know whether I'm on the right track.
I think you look fine. Your face is shaped like mine and one thing my mother suggested which I like, is to use a little blush under your cheekbones. It gives the area a bit of definition. Go lightly though. Originally I put on too much and have learned less is more. I switch between a rose color and a bronze depending upon what I am wearing. Covergirl Cheekers is what I use.
Judi
Quote from: SiobhánF on June 02, 2018, 07:25:52 PM
I would say you pass way more than I would, in public. I can still slightly tell, if I'm being honest. I don't know what it is, but I do think you're pretty. :)
Thank you, I think it might be my jawline that's doing it.
Quote from: JudiBlueEyes on June 02, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
I think you look fine. Your face is shaped like mine and one thing my mother suggested which I like, is to use a little blush under your cheekbones. It gives the area a bit of definition. Go lightly though. Originally I put on too much and have learned less is more. I switch between a rose color and a bronze depending upon what I am wearing. Covergirl Cheekers is what I use.
Judi
Thank you. I actually have some brown blusher going from where my jaw meets my skull to below the apple of my cheek, I'll have to experiment.
Quote from: brianreber66 on June 02, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
For sure I wish i could find someone like that
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Quote from: brianreber66 on June 02, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
For sure I wish i could find someone like that
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Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 02, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
I've been experimenting with makeup some more. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be coming out soon and going full time, please let me know whether I'm on the right track.
I think you are heading to a good direction and I´m quite sure you already pass, but you need to experiment with different kind of hair cuts, or dressing hair differently. Even if face shape/jaw line is certain kind, you can pretty much hide and/or compliment that, with a proper hair cut. For example myself, I have a large and tall forehead. I hide that with bangs and it really makes the difference.
Also, trim your eyebrows...another thing which immediately changes looks ;)
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 02, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
I've been experimenting with makeup some more. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be coming out soon and going full time, please let me know whether I'm on the right track.
(https://i.imgur.com/yskIOnp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HdKzTBH.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/h2eipkR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/803niPs.jpg)
You have beautiful features. My only piece of advice would be to eyeline closer to the eyelashes on the upper lid. Your lower lid could actually go bare for a natural look, or you could line your waterline if you wanna go more polished (that is, line the rim above the eyelashes but not below as you have). If you're still getting the hand of it I'd suggest using a regular eyeliner pencil instead of liquid, since it's easier to handle. Yet I insist, these tips have nothing to do with passing, which you already have. It's just the makeup junkie in me ;D
I found out, that eyeliner gel is made for me. Pen and/or liquid, I cannot draw a straight line ;D
But with gel, you have all the time you need.
I find that with gel I end up with a second line transfer to
The upper lid. Looks very weird. Works ok on the lower
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 02, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
I've been experimenting with makeup some more. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be coming out soon and going full time, please let me know whether I'm on the right track.
(https://i.imgur.com/yskIOnp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HdKzTBH.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/h2eipkR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/803niPs.jpg)
You look great and I think totally passable. I echo a couple of comments about the eyeliner, I'd probably not have the eyeliner wings, I think that they accentuate in a way you don't want (it's very though to pull off wings in a day look anyway). And on the lower lash I'd suggest using the waterline, and also I tend to use a less strong line on the lower lash. What I do is liquid or gel upper lid, and then pencil on the lower waterline, not always across the entire rim, experiement with starting half way. I then use a smudge brush like this http://www.charlottetilbury.com/uk/eye-smudger-brush.html to either tone down the lower eyeliner, or smudge it for the start of a smoky eye look. Also I'm a huge believer in using good makeup.
As for your brows, I get that you don't want to do anything too extreme before you come out, but if you live near a benefit brow bar, they do an awesome job turning brows like yours into an amazing arch, will totally feminise your face!
All that said, I don't think I'd spot you as trans in the street, and I normally have a fairly decent transdar (*our equivalent of gaydar. It's not got as good a ring to it though. I need to think of a better term)
Em x
Quote from: emma-f on June 03, 2018, 03:13:32 AM
All that said, I don't think I'd spot you as trans in the street, and I normally have a fairly decent transdar (*our equivalent of gaydar. It's not got as good a ring to it though. I need to think of a better term)
Em x
Trans-ponder or trans-ceiver!
As long as you are not a Trans-mitter
Quote from: Roll on June 03, 2018, 09:51:00 AM
Trans-ponder or trans-ceiver!
I like transponder. I shall use that from now on!
Em x
Quote from: emma-f on June 03, 2018, 03:13:32 AM
You look great and I think totally passable. I echo a couple of comments about the eyeliner, I'd probably not have the eyeliner wings, I think that they accentuate in a way you don't want (it's very though to pull off wings in a day look anyway).
Yeah, I tried following the contour of my eye socket, but apparently my eye sockets are asymmetric. I've found that my eyes tend to dominate my face, so the eyeliner is what I've been focusing on,. The top part of my eye sockets has such a sharp angle, I don't think shadow would do anything.
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 03, 2018, 12:00:15 PM
Yeah, I tried following the contour of my eye socket, but apparently my eye sockets are asymmetric. I've found that my eyes tend to dominate my face, so the eyeliner is what I've been focusing on,. The top part of my eye sockets has such a sharp angle, I don't think shadow would do anything.
Rather than following the crease of your eye, follow the shape of your eye lashes. Basically, your "wings" will become the shadow cast by your eyelashes (after they're curled). And you'll go a little thicker than you have them currently, so they are more than a tiny line when your eyes are open. I also have "hooded eyes". Going thicker on the wing gives a more pleasing result. I would also suggest only lining the top lashline. Doing the bottoms usually minimizes your eyes and makes your face look bigger in proportion. Opposite the desired result.
Another suggestion is to look at your eyelashes when curled, and with your eyes open and split the difference between the left and right eye to get the wings symmetrical on both sides and make the asymmetry less notable. Keeping with the above advice of making the wings a shadow of your eyelashes. Eyes are always sisters, never twins... so a little variation isn't a big deal. With all the scar tissue on my right eye, I draw it to match my left so it's camouflaged.
On eyeshadow, the eyelid won't show until you blink. So, while you don't think people see it, in reality it's visible because you blink and move those eyelids in every facial expression. So you will be able to show off your shading skills. Now brow bone shading is where you make your money with the eyeshadow when you have hooded eyes. It's noticeable all the time. I like a cream color to bring out my eyes and give a little more accent to my brows.
I hope it helps, and look forward to hearing how it goes.
So I've tried some of the tips y'all have given me, I changed the blush area and only did the top with the eyeliner. Also, it would appear that I will have to wear my hair down for the forseeable future.
(https://i.imgur.com/WDVO39s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dOTYvJl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/favGCE3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cKuGiIi.jpg)
Me at work, don't do make up.Not bad for 60
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31046354_621161471568380_2876802617080545280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=292f91bc5310396ae016fe03e6621f80&oe=5BB30DE8
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 03, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
So I've tried some of the tips y'all have given me, I changed the blush area and only did the top with the eyeliner. Also, it would appear that I will have to wear my hair down for the forseeable future.
(https://i.imgur.com/WDVO39s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dOTYvJl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/favGCE3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cKuGiIi.jpg)
Damn, you fine. :)
Quote from: big kim on June 21, 2018, 01:35:35 AM
Me at work, don't do make up.Not bad for 60
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31046354_621161471568380_2876802617080545280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=292f91bc5310396ae016fe03e6621f80&oe=5BB30DE8
You look so good! I'll get there some day. :)
Thanks, you need to go to Specsavers!
Quote from: big kim on June 21, 2018, 02:17:20 AM
Thanks, you need to go to Specsavers!
Nah, hun. You're a silver fox. I like your face. ;)
Thanks, I never did FFS & can't afford it or really want it. Had my teeth straightened (brace off earlier this year). Stopped using make up when I got an eye infection & started riding bikes again
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 03, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
So I've tried some of the tips y'all have given me, I changed the blush area and only did the top with the eyeliner. Also, it would appear that I will have to wear my hair down for the forseeable future.
(https://i.imgur.com/WDVO39s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dOTYvJl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/favGCE3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cKuGiIi.jpg)
I like the eyeliner much more here!
Have a random assortment of pics from different stages of my life.
some years ago, some pretty recent. some HRT some not ECT. I tried to group them within the same time frame. its been a really long time since I got feedback on these.
I tried to fit a bunch on here without taking up too much space. all pics are links if you want to see one bigger
was curious as to which ones are considered passable and why or why not. what looks worked and what didn't ect.
1.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/q012ffdiv/IMG_0279.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/q012ffdiv/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/40uns8rjr/IMG_0281.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40uns8rjr/)
2.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/fpyng8ddj/IMG_0336.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fpyng8ddj/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/su47szal3/IMG_0340.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/su47szal3/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/w28p5x1yv/IMG_0342.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/w28p5x1yv/)
3.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/xg0c1cj9j/IMG_0353.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/xg0c1cj9j/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/5fw8h2v8n/IMG_0350.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5fw8h2v8n/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/hllfrh28n/IMG_0388.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hllfrh28n/)
4.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/yiaik04on/WP_20161203_16_15_07_Pro.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yiaik04on/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/qcsglwdvr/WP_20161111_21_26_39_Pro.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/qcsglwdvr/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/56ynr5xvr/WP_20161119_15_09_23_Pro.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/56ynr5xvr/)
5.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/8mqs0x5gn/tumblr_m3a8qr_Xxd_P1qbyluk.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8mqs0x5gn/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/gw2nf3m9j/IMG_0222.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/gw2nf3m9j/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/ym4c05mzr/tumblr_m3a8pp5a_Sp1qbyluk.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ym4c05mzr/)
6.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/40unslmif/IMG_0173.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/40unslmif/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/q012fut2v/IMG_0164.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/q012fut2v/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/3rx32fp2v/IMG_0158.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3rx32fp2v/)
7.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/t6vlzi8dz/best.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/t6vlzi8dz/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/f1psxboyf/1109110221.jpg_original.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/f1psxboyf/)
8.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/6jgct0l0n/100_1515.jpg_original.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6jgct0l0n/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/a32aiu35z/100_1516.jpg_original.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/a32aiu35z/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/x4ivoli93/1019110122.jpg_original.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x4ivoli93/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/sl6n31id3/1019110124a.jpg_original.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/sl6n31id3/)
9.
(https://s15.postimg.cc/zbn4chkyf/IMG_0121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/zbn4chkyf/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/v2ieac4uf/IMG_0128.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v2ieac4uf/)(https://s15.postimg.cc/6yrmm16xz/IMG_0130.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/6yrmm16xz/)
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 03, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
So I've tried some of the tips y'all have given me, I changed the blush area and only did the top with the eyeliner. Also, it would appear that I will have to wear my hair down for the forseeable future.
You pass to my eyes, but a few suggestions.
Men tend to clench their teeth. I also try to avoiding clenching my jaw, but it is not easy as it became my habit.
I am wondering whether you trim your eye brows. Yes. I sometimes trim my eye brows, but I am a little bit lazy to do it every day.
barbie~~
Quote from: big kim on June 21, 2018, 01:35:35 AM
Me at work, don't do make up.Not bad for 60
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31046354_621161471568380_2876802617080545280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=292f91bc5310396ae016fe03e6621f80&oe=5BB30DE8
Yes. You are a lovely woman at her 60s.
barbie~~
Thanks there's some real glamour girls here, especially you!
Quote from: AnamethatstartswithE on June 03, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
So I've tried some of the tips y'all have given me, I changed the blush area and only did the top with the eyeliner. Also, it would appear that I will have to wear my hair down for the forseeable future.
(https://i.imgur.com/WDVO39s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dOTYvJl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/favGCE3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cKuGiIi.jpg)
You look lovely. Just my personal opinion but I think the highlight on the cheek is a lil low but you look great.
Quote from: Eve of chaos on June 21, 2018, 11:13:42 PM
Have a random assortment of pics from different stages of my life.
I'd say that visually, they are all passable except maaaaaybe 5 and 9. And those could easily pass if you had the right voice or mannerisms to go with them.
You look very pretty in most of them, I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Quote from: Lucca on June 23, 2018, 08:56:02 AM
I'd say that visually, they are all passable except maaaaaybe 5 and 9. And those could easily pass if you had the right voice or mannerisms to go with them.
You look very pretty in most of them, I don't think you have anything to worry about.
thank you for the reply. the feedback means so much.
most of those pics are from 6 or so years ago before I stopped transition.
seeing that the more recent ones I took since I've been questioning again fall into your pass category makes me feel some hope.
Wow, it's hard to believe that I posted here over a year and a half ago. XD Hello everyone. Time flies! ;D
Quote from: big kim on June 21, 2018, 01:35:35 AM
Me at work, don't do make up.Not bad for 60
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31046354_621161471568380_2876802617080545280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=292f91bc5310396ae016fe03e6621f80&oe=5BB30DE8
Your no makeup look is wonderful and the smile makes it special.
Thanks, I think yo need new spex!
That's really not a bad picture at all, well other than one ear lobe is lower than the other. Oops my glasses were crooked. Lol
You do look very nice
Went out as female yesterday for the first time in a long time. It took a lot of time to get ready and come up with a look that worked but I felt pretty good about it. didn't get any validations as far as if I passed or not and wondered what all you lovely ladies think.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/4flolzcy9/grah.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/nxgc1xhlt/unnamed.jpg)
Well you look totally FEM to me.
Quote from: Eve of chaos on July 02, 2018, 03:14:04 PM
Went out as female yesterday for the first time in a long time. It took a lot of time to get ready and come up with a look that worked but I felt pretty good about it. didn't get any validations as far as if I passed or not and wondered what all you lovely ladies think.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/4flolzcy9/grah.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/nxgc1xhlt/unnamed.jpg)
Eve - I cant see any obvious male signs to me. In fact you remind me a bit of someone. A celeb. Cant remember her name. Or even exactly who she is. But definitely a celeb
Em x
Eve, what a cutie you are! Yes, you definitely pass. :)
Nice looking ladies on here, you all have class & style
Quote from: Eve of chaos on July 02, 2018, 03:14:04 PM
Went out as female yesterday for the first time in a long time. It took a lot of time to get ready and come up with a look that worked but I felt pretty good about it. didn't get any validations as far as if I passed or not and wondered what all you lovely ladies think.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/4flolzcy9/grah.jpg)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/nxgc1xhlt/unnamed.jpg)
Your cafe photo is CUTE! - definitely pass there, great overall look too. In the first photo there are a couple of small subtle giveaways from closeup but if you were walking along in a mall etc I would say you would pass 90% with men looking and 60% with women looking.
You look great....!
Sonja.
Quote from: Sonja on July 02, 2018, 05:30:58 PM
Your cafe photo is CUTE! - definitely pass there, great overall look too. In the first photo there are a couple of small subtle giveaways from closeup but if you were walking along in a mall etc I would say you would pass 90% with men looking and 60% with women looking.
You look great....!
Sonja.
Thanks! I find it interesting that passability can differ so much between men and women. But that makes complete sense when I think about it.
Quote from: Eve of chaos on July 03, 2018, 11:39:37 AM
Thanks! I find it interesting that passability can differ so much between men and women. But that makes complete sense when I think about it.
I don't dress in public btw, Women analyse much more intensely than guys as a whole. I have long rounded natural finger nails. No guys have ever said anything or even noticed -BUT the amount of women that I talk to that then flick their eyes to my nails and stare for about 2 seconds before looking back at me and start a subtle squint for analyses is 95% - they all notice I can tell, and one of them said 'oh my god look how long your nails are'. If they notice my nails down by my side, you can guarantee they are seeing everything......Iit doesn't bother me in the slightest, just something I noticed.
Sonja.
Curious, can i post a before pre-transitioned picture here or is the before and after thread for that? I dont have an "after" picture though. Since i see people giving each other passing advice and suggestions i think its suitable to post a before picture here. My pictures try to visualize a sense that i'm a girl on the outside too but doesnt give that impression a hundred percent because i still havent transitioned to fix the masculinity or at least be on HRT yet. But oh well, i guess. :(
Quote from: hiddengirlsheila on July 04, 2018, 08:09:50 PM
Curious, can i post a before pre-transitioned picture here or is the before and after thread for that? I dont have an "after" picture though. Since i see people giving each other passing advice and suggestions i think its suitable to post a before picture here. My pictures try to visualize a sense that i'm a girl on the outside too but doesnt give that impression a hundred percent because i still havent transitioned to fix the masculinity or at least be on HRT yet. But oh well, i guess. :(
Visual effects are important in passability, but other factors such as body gesture, walking posture, facial expression are also critical. Above all, self-confidence is the most important. In my case, I tend to be over-confident ;D ;D
barbie~~
Indeed barbie, i emphasize that more than just raw appearance, you have to play the part, not just look your best superficially like someone displaying a masquerade of course that's how i always felt with my male body not revealing my true and real self. If you grew up with habits a man does because you were raised and brought up that way to be male, change them, more importantly be yourself and the woman you always knew you was inside.
I'm a little nervous but here it goes. This picture is me of course, I used GIMP 2 to remove the background. The picture itself was taken using my phone and I added the makeup and hair using an app called YouCamMakeup, my eybrows were also added using the app. I tried keeping myself as real as possible, so I added minimal make up. The "foundation" made all the difference in the way my skin looks, mine looks "rougher" lol :D
Will I look similar after HRT? Would I be able to pass? I'm 24 and have not began any HRT at all.
P.S. I can't figure out how to insert the picture so I will upload it as my avatar ;)
Quote from: CuriousCat94x on July 06, 2018, 12:24:44 AM
I'm a little nervous but here it goes. This picture is me of course, I used GIMP 2 to remove the background. The picture itself was taken using my phone and I added the makeup and hair using an app called YouCamMakeup, my eybrows were also added using the app. I tried keeping myself as real as possible, so I added minimal make up. The "foundation" made all the difference in the way my skin looks, mine looks "rougher" lol :D
Will I look similar after HRT? Would I be able to pass? I'm 24 and have not began any HRT at all.
P.S. I can't figure out how to insert the picture so I will upload it as my avatar ;)
Your avatar pic looks very cute! Depending on what edits you made to the photo, there is a good chance that HRT might be able to give you similar results. Especially if the edits were minor.
If so, I'd say you will pass.
Quote from: KathyLauren on July 06, 2018, 07:35:00 AM
Your avatar pic looks very cute! Depending on what edits you made to the photo, there is a good chance that HRT might be able to give you similar results. Especially if the edits were minor.
If so, I'd say you will pass.
Thank you KathyLauren for reassuring me! Yes the edits to my face are minimal, save for the eyebrows and skin. The eyebrows can very easily be "carved" out of my current masculine eyebrows. As for my skin, the only thing the foundation covered was a few other zits, normally I have clear skin by default.
Recently I began a juice cleanse and I have been getting a lot of zits everywhere including my face, it even feels a little more oily than usual. I read somewhere that the zit breakout and gross feeling is a sign that the cleanse is working and removing toxins from within. The bad effects should wear off within a month. After which my skin quality overall will be even better than before I began the juice cleanse and will only continue to improve, so I'm hoping for the best!
Thanks again KathyLauren
Here is me with just some makeup on. Will i be passable once i transition and start HRT? Or would i need to seriously consider FFS and HRT wont be enough? I love wearing makeup so its not like i'm only doing it for the picture, even after i transition i'll use makeup. I have fair and youthful skin so i dont have to use a whole lot though. It's excessive anyways. I have more pictures too.
(https://i.imgur.com/iIMNnl9.jpg)
What do you all think of my picture? :)
Quote from: hiddengirlsheila on July 07, 2018, 08:08:05 PM
What do you all think of my picture? :)
You are doing quite well for someone who hasn't even started HRT yet.
It is difficult to tell from a single photo just what is going on with the structure of a face. I can try to guess from your image, but that is all that it would be, a guess. Structure generally takes profile and 3/4 shots, sharp with good lighting, to see just what is going on.
I think you look cute hiddengirlsheila. You could pass.
Quote from: hiddengirlsheila on July 07, 2018, 03:45:00 AM
Here is me with just some makeup on. Will i be passable once i transition and start HRT? Or would i need to seriously consider FFS and HRT wont be enough? I love wearing makeup so its not like i'm only doing it for the picture, even after i transition i'll use makeup. I have fair and youthful skin so i dont have to use a whole lot though. It's excessive anyways. I have more pictures too.
(https://i.imgur.com/iIMNnl9.jpg)
Hi hiddengirlsheila ,
The photo is a bit blurry and a bit small to be able to really give accurate feedback on, I do understand that you might be shy to show the 'work in progress' that we all are ( I am! ) but we'll need a bit larger image to see if you might need FFS - from a slight angle (not face on to camera, but turn your face away slightly) is also helpful as it will show your bone structure better.
If you're a bit shy - simply ignore this post, no worries.
Take care,
Sonia.
Quote from: Sonja on July 09, 2018, 09:34:06 PM
The photo is a bit blurry and ...
Portrait photographers call this "soft focus". For older girls, this technique can hide fine lines and wrinkles. It sort of works like a concealer so that a CD will look more feminine.
With no HRT yet, I think you have a wonderful starting point. Keep in mind that HRT takes a year or two before you see changes in your face.
Quote from: hiddengirlsheila on July 07, 2018, 03:45:00 AM
Here is me with just some makeup on. Will i be passable once i transition and start HRT? Or would i need to seriously consider FFS and HRT wont be enough? I love wearing makeup so its not like i'm only doing it for the picture, even after i transition i'll use makeup. I have fair and youthful skin so i dont have to use a whole lot though. It's excessive anyways. I have more pictures too.
(https://i.imgur.com/iIMNnl9.jpg)
You have a good baseline based on the picture submitted but you never know what to expect from HRT. I don't really like the word "passable". Plus being passable or not should not affect your decision whether to transition or not. You need to be comfortable in your skin and don't worry about what other people might think. Be prepared for the worst and hope for the best, that's what I did and I'm super happy today.
Hugs
-Jessica
Quote from: Eve of chaos on July 02, 2018, 03:14:04 PM
Went out as female yesterday for the first time in a long time. It took a lot of time to get ready and come up with a look that worked but I felt pretty good about it. didn't get any validations as far as if I passed or not and wondered what all you lovely ladies think.
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Definitely ....you look lovely 😘
Quote from: Drexy/Drex on July 18, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Definitely ....you look lovely 😘
<3 thank you so much. I needed this today.
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This was me 2 years ago at my 6 month mark. I had posted this photo on this thread.
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This is me now. A lot has changed these past 2 years. 8)
Definitely passable now Amy. The old outfit is jarring. You have a prominent Adam's apple out in the open wearing pink! This is not how to dress! These two elements conflict. And draw unwanted attention.
The new outfit is a good lesson in passing. It is hard to see if you have an Adam's apple because of your long hair, that hides the profile view. You are wearing a white, a neutral color that could be worn be either sex. And the big smile on your face shows that you are happy!
I wasn't trying to pass back then, nor now for that reason. I do appreciate you saying that I pass though. ;D I more proportionally care about how someone feels about my appeal in general. Not pass-ability, but do they like the way I look? 💗 I have absolutely nothing to hide, and love being known as a trans woman.
Perhaps that is one of the "secrets" to passing. You dress to make yourself look good. Not necessarily to hide or stand out among the crowd. That is what GG do, they dress to look good.
Quote from: xAmyX on August 03, 2018, 03:25:48 AM
This is me now. A lot has changed these past 2 years. 8)
Heh. Yeah, you pass. :3 <3
Quote from: xAmyX on August 03, 2018, 03:25:48 AM
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This was me 2 years ago at my 6 month mark. I had posted this photo on this thread.
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This is me now. A lot has changed these past 2 years. 8)
@xAmyX Wowzers... you definitely do indeed pass according to your picture... you look very nice and your transition journey appears to be progressing nicely...
Thanks for your encouraging posting.
Hugs,
Danielle
While out and about with
@Laurie and
@Michelle_P yesterday, Michelle took these for me.
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It's only been a year, so I'm hopeful.
Quote from: Jessica on August 03, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
While out and about with @Laurie and @Michelle_P yesterday, Michelle took these for me.
(https://i.imgur.com/OjGKrGj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V0yFlnp.jpg)
It's only been a year, so I'm hopeful.
@JessicaDear Jess:
Your recent photos definitely get a "wow-whee" and a "wowzers" from me.
For just a little over a year of HRT I think that your progress in your transition journey is going very well.... as you go out and about you are becoming more and more subject to male-fail... which in the case of being a transitioning MTF... that is very affirming and confidence building.
Thank you for your update and for posting your very nice pictures... every time you update us your pictures keep getting better and better.
Hugs and hugs,
Danielle
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I got a little dolled up. 💋
Quote from: xAmyX on August 04, 2018, 05:24:41 AM
I got a little dolled up. 💋
Yeah... you posted on the wrong thread. Go directly to the Fabulous thread. 😉
I've gotten some female clothes now, so I wanted to get some opinions on them and my body shape. Obviously, you can't tell if I pass or not with just some still images with my head cut out, but maybe someone call tell me if I'm committing some fashion crimes or something. Sorry they're such poor quality! Taking them with my computer's webcam was the best I could do. (And that's my piano with a sheet over it in the back, if you're wondering what the heck that is.)
This is probably my best outfit, so I took a lot of pictures. I think it does a decent job of keeping my top half from looking too wide. I think the gloves also make my hands look smaller.
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This one is... not so good, it looks like a bad, colorblind Daria costume. However, it gives a decent look at my body shape. Just ignore my hairy arms.
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I can't decide if this looks decent, or like a bad Jedi costume.
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Quote from: Lucca on August 04, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
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The T-shirt with the black sleeves draws attention to your shoulders. It is a very masculine style, worn by male athletes specifically to emphasize the shoulders.
The belted dress in the last picture is my favourite. The belt gives some definition to your hips.
Yeah, I'm not sure the different colored arms do my shoulders any good. I'm having trouble finding lightweight shirts that look feminine on me, though.
Quote from: KathyLauren on August 05, 2018, 06:33:59 AM
The T-shirt with the black sleeves draws attention to your shoulders. It is a very masculine style, worn by male athletes specifically to emphasize the shoulders.
The belted dress in the last picture is my favourite. The belt gives some definition to your hips.
...and the belt should be on your waistline, which for women is above your navel😊
(https://i.imgur.com/smXJuG3.jpg) I'm wearing a Hanes Nano T shirt for Ladies, sized small. It is semi-fitted and less boxy than mens/boys T shirts. And a large Boys pair of shorts. Flip flops complete the outfit. It shows a fair amount of skin, which is typical these days, but not too much, since I have salt and pepper hair. I could go a size smaller to highlight the flat stomach, but they don't make that T shirt in XS. :o
Does anyone have any input on how masculine my body type is? I'm afraid it looks too top-heavy, and it would be hard to not just look like a man wearing ill-fitting women's clothing... obviously the middle one I posted looks bad, but I'm not entirely certain about the others.
Well here's my post curious if I pass as female no makeup so it's kinda gross(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180807/4bca4898ce5ff5e475737b97babdaa0a.jpg)
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Quote from: Lucca on August 04, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
I've gotten some female clothes now, so I wanted to get some opinions on them and my body shape. Obviously, you can't tell if I pass or not with just some still images with my head cut out, but maybe someone call tell me if I'm committing some fashion crimes or something.
This is probably my best outfit, so I took a lot of pictures. I think it does a decent job of keeping my top half from looking too wide. I think the gloves also make my hands look smaller.
@Lucca
Hi Lucca
You've asked for honest feedback in order to improve your look so I think its only fair to write honestly.
IMO - You do look a bit top heavy, but I see an obvious solution to 3 problems that are barriers to a nice shape. If you could lose a bit of weight, you could
1) reduce a bit of weight from the top
2) lose the tummy, the belt is in the wrong position and its actually highlighting your tummy sticking out - a big fashion no. Losing the tummy will look good AND feminine at all angles PLUS you could also wear a cincher (corset) in order to pull your waist in further. Its impossible to wear a cincher if your too big in this area - now maybe you're not interested in that BUT its an option you could have.
3) losing weight will actually give you the template you need to pick clothes that accentuate a feminine form, I can't help feeling that in your attempt to hide your wider shoulders and larger upper body your forcing yourself to wear dowdy clothes that hide your shape rather than feminine clothes that show off your figure...
I recently lost 30 pounds using optifast shakes, one of the reasons was to look better in my clothes and for some dress's i want to buy.
Definitely wear skirts that flare quickly to give yourself wider looking hips ( you can also wear hip shapers for this area)
Fit and flare dress's are something to look into.
The gloves are actually drawing attention to your hands, but they do make them look a bit smaller - in a casual setting they're fine, otherwise they might look a bit weird in summer.
I hope this helps some,
Sonja.
Thanks, that's all helpful. I've tried waist cinchers, but it's hard to not see them under clothes, and I can't keep them from giving me fat rolls at the top.
Quote from: Lucca on August 07, 2018, 08:11:26 AM
Thanks, that's all helpful. I've tried waist cinchers, but it's hard to not see them under clothes, and I can't keep them from giving me fat rolls at the top.
An often overlooked part of foundation wear (corsets/wiast cinchers) is that you wear a slip over them/under your clothing. It smooths the look of the corset and any bulging that they create. Fair warning that layering up like that will get warm, but will produce the look you're going for. In my experience, most dresses will fit better with the addition of a slip underneath. It allows the dress to drape better, with less bunching when you move, sit, stand. Not to mention that a quality slip will feel a lot better than the courser fabric of the dress, and keep you from having to dry clean/wash them so often. Hope it helps. :)
Me over the weekend with quick daytime makeup on. This was one day post-electrolysis on the areas to the sides of my chin, and those areas were pretty swollen in this pic. Otherwise, this is generally how I can look with a bit of cosmetics. No filters, natural light. No wig - I'm waiting on a custom topper which will hopefully be ready by the end of next month or the beginning of October.
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in my opinion you can train your self into looking and passing as a female.
My 11 year old mtf is very natural as a girl, mybe trough hrr young age and not in puberty yet.
But here is an organisation they do beauty contests for young girls betweem 10 and 16 years old they have also training programs for these girls to become very feminine, ive seen results from them on training the girls the older girls are so traind into feminity the look like dolls, every thing cimes together hair makeup clothing it's so nuce to see..
They begin in september again and i push my mtf also into it.
Quote from: Claire1985 on August 10, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
in my opinion you can train your self into looking and passing as a female.
My 11 year old mtf is very natural as a girl, mybe trough hrr young age and not in puberty yet.
But here is an organisation they do beauty contests for young girls betweem 10 and 16 years old they have also training programs for these girls to become very feminine, ive seen results from them on training the girls the older girls are so traind into feminity the look like dolls, every thing cimes together hair makeup clothing it's so nuce to see..
They begin in september again and i push my mtf also into it.
You 'push' your 11 year old child into 'beauty contests'? With gender stereotypes? Girls looking 'like dolls'. Are you serious?
Quote from: alex82 on August 10, 2018, 02:47:14 PM
You 'push' your 11 year old child into 'beauty contests'? With gender stereotypes? Girls looking 'like dolls'. Are you serious?
Yes it's populair by some girls here, our neightbour daughter does it as well.
But the girls eho do this are natural born girls, in the past the organisatiin have
had an other transgirl too and they are welcome as they are intrested.
i push my mtf into it beacuase its good for her that she can work on her feminity
and also on social contact with other girls.
Quote from: Claire1985 on August 10, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
Yes it's populair by some girls here, our neightbour daughter does it as well.
But the girls eho do this are natural born girls, in the past the organisatiin have
had an other transgirl too and they are welcome as they are intrested.
i push my mtf into it beacuase its good for her that she can work on her feminity
and also on social contact with other girls.
I'm not going to derail this thread, but I think you should look deeper into what you are doing. As a parent and as a social worker, I find the concept disturbing.
An 11 year old child is not a doll. They can make friends in the park or on the beach, or wherever, and it doesn't involve hairspray and make up or catwalks, or being 'pushed' into anything.
Beauty pageants for children are indicative of a sick world, run by twisted individuals. Any adult with an interest in judging a child's 'beauty' or 'femininity' should be nowhere near children. People are not 'dolls'. Dolls are not people.
I hope your child finds peace of mind, and makes real friends. Not competitors, but friends. And is not steeped in outdated gender stereotypes, cultivated and judged and prized by adults.
Your child may be trans and therefore a she. He may be gay. He may be neither. Whether it's he or she, they're not going to be helped by being lacquered and paraded around. An 11 year old is very much a child.
Hey folks :police:
Let's try to stay on topic and cut the argumentative stuff
Thank you
V M
Quote from: alex82 on August 10, 2018, 02:47:14 PM
You 'push' your 11 year old child into 'beauty contests'? With gender stereotypes? Girls looking 'like dolls'. Are you serious?
It looks to me as is English is not Claire's primary language and "push" may not really be the word she's looking for.
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I think possibly she meant that she supports and encourages her daughter and enjoys seeing her enjoy social interaction among other girls - n'est-ce pas?
To me you're in that androgynous zone. Don't worry though. It takes time for changes to happen. I hate to look back on pictures from a year ago or so. I was happy then , but I feel so much better now and things keep improving. It's a long process. Be patient
Kitty
Quote from: Arianna Valentine on August 06, 2018, 10:02:04 PM
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Quote from: Kitty June on August 11, 2018, 01:27:40 AM
To me you're in that androgynous zone. Don't worry though. It takes time for changes to happen. I hate to look back on pictures from a year ago or so. I was happy then , but I feel so much better now and things keep improving. It's a long process. Be patient
Kitty
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Oh I know and I'm finding more looks than helps me appear more feminine here's one I took yesterday lol I'm loving the hard hair headband thingy I'll show a pic no clue what to call it (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180811/f3e816580967530d4608d41c9942f80f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180811/7a5544ca8e016d4978efd9cc41700596.jpg)
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on August 11, 2018, 01:34:11 AM
Oh I know and I'm finding more looks than helps me appear more feminine here's one I took yesterday lol I'm loving the hard hair headband thingy I'll show a pic no clue what to call it
You had it right the first time. They are called head bands (https://www.franceluxe.com/Headbands_c_2248.html).
@Arianna Valentine Please go easier on yourself. We tend to be our own worst critics. I think that you look great with or without makeup... oh, and the headbands and hairclips are wonderful to use for our hair to compliment hairstyles or to keep our hair under control when involved in activities....
Again, you are looking great in your pictures, but certainly your pic showing you with makeup, red lipstick and your hair up in a headband looks very nice indeed!!! Very feminine appearance to be sure!!!
Thanks for posting your latest pictures........
Hugs,
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on August 11, 2018, 11:26:21 AM
@Arianna Valentine
Please go easier on yourself. We tend to be our own worst critics. I think that you look great with or without makeup... oh, and the headbands and hairclips are wonderful to use for our hair to compliment hairstyles or to keep our hair under control when involved in activities....
Again, you are looking great in your pictures, but certainly your pic showing you with makeup, red lipstick and your hair up in a headband looks very nice indeed!!! Very feminine appearance to be sure!!!
Thanks for posting your latest pictures........
Hugs,
Danielle
Thanks Danielle you are such a wonderful and supportive person and I greatly appreciate it
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on August 11, 2018, 01:34:11 AM
Oh I know and I'm finding more looks than helps me appear more feminine here's one I took yesterday lol I'm loving the hard hair headband thingy I'll show a pic no clue what to call it (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180811/f3e816580967530d4608d41c9942f80f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180811/7a5544ca8e016d4978efd9cc41700596.jpg)
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Looking good hun. [emoji4][emoji8]
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Ok I decided to post a picture of myself without any filters or alterations. I'm turned 24 in July and hoping to begin HRT next month, will it work? I'm going on the needle route of dosages. Am I too masculine?
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Quote from: CuriousCat94x on August 14, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Ok I decided to post a picture of myself without any filters or alterations. I'm turned 24 in July and hoping to begin HRT next month, will it work? I'm going on the needle route of dosages. Am I too masculine?
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@CuriousCat94x
You will be fine.
Sonja.
Quote from: CuriousCat94x on August 14, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Ok I decided to post a picture of myself without any filters or alterations. I'm turned 24 in July and hoping to begin HRT next month, will it work? I'm going on the needle route of dosages. Am I too masculine?
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You're at a good starting point. Your face doesn't look overly masculine to me at this angle and even if it did, so what? We all gotta start somewhere. Good luck!
By the way your skin is amazing
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@Sonja Thank you Sonja! I really hope so! :)
@Allison S Thank you Allison! I really hope I get to see significant changes, but overthinking is my enemy and I do it a lot. I don't know lol I don't take care of my skin at all, I never use sunscreen or anything. :)
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Quote from: CuriousCat94x on August 15, 2018, 07:47:54 PM
@Sonja Thank you Sonja! I really hope so! :)
@Allison S Thank you Allison! I really hope I get to see significant changes, but overthinking is my enemy and I do it a lot. I don't know lol I don't take care of my skin at all, I never use sunscreen or anything. :)
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@CuriousCat94x
You're only 24 so when you start hrt any time soon - you'll keep all your hair -which is great because none of it has receded at all. Your skin is really good with no wrinkles - awesome, you've got a few tiny scars which you could get rid of with some dermarolling (and minor skin surfacing work) etc - but your skin will be fantastic. Nice eyes, good eyelash length,your eyebrows could be shaped if you want - and that would give a more 'refined' feminine look. The way your jaw changes to your chin is a good shape - although like all cis males our chins are slightly longer and wider than cis woman - its really a personal choice how much you want to change your face when it comes to ffs.
But yeah - I think you'll be fine with transitioning to a feminine appearance.
Sonja.
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Ok I decided to post a picture of myself without any filters or alterations. I'm turned 24 in July and hoping to begin HRT next month, will it work? I'm going on the needle route of dosages. Am I too masculine?
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What a fantastic basis for starting estrogen. A face with fine features and no "rugby player" heavy set bone structure. Looks mildly masculine now. I bet that doesn't last long! I would love to see how things progress.
I'm excited for you.
Kirsten.
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@Sonja
Wow thank you so much, looks like I really need to stop overthinking stuff so much. If I wasn't such a thinker I would've started at age 21 or maybe even 18. It doesn't matter the next best time to start is now right? [emoji4] I have been fighting against my "feelings" for far too long, ever since I can remember. I must have been like 4 or 5 when I discovered that something was wrong.
I mean when I was like 7 I thought that my "feelings" meant that I was gay and I told my mom, she "beat it out of me" and I'm glad she never told my dad. My whole life I've felt trapped being raised as a male, I don't know, it just never felt right. Despite all that, I do love my parents and hope that they will accept me for who I am, that's all I can hope for [emoji4]
@Kirsteneklund7
I'm very exited and eager to start HRT as well [emoji4] and don't worry Kirsten, I do plan on keeping you updated. I'm thinking about creating a video like the ones all over YouTube about transitioning. That way I can share my progress and maybe I'll even become confident enough to create regular update videos. It took me a lot of courage to "come out" to my ex-girlfriend and to post two silly pictures on this website.
Somewhere along the way I figured that I'm going to "come out" to my family and friends one way or another. Maybe someone will discover me on this website. Maybe they'll find out some other way? One thing is certain though, I'd rather they all find out because I told them myself, whether one on one or the whole group at once. I just need to gather up some more confidence [emoji4]
Edit: Sorry didn't mean to go off topic, I tend to do that, part of my overthinking problem...
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Look after yourself Curious Cat
Kirsten.
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Do i Look passable?
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Do i Look passable?
Get your booty over to the Fabulous thread. 😉
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Do i Look passable?
Very much so
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Do i Look passable?
@PixieStix YES, FOR SURE you look as you could pass. Your face certainly has convincing feminine features.
Your eyebrows and makeup are nicely done.
Thank you for sharing with all of us....
Danielle
Amazingly so
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Do i Look passable?
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Okay good! I just started to see some changes recently, and also just came out full time at work about a week ago. It's hard for me to tell since i see myself everyday.
We are always the last to believe it. I know I probably out myself more than people would guess.
Be happy and don't worry about what other people think. Most don't care
Quote from: PixieStix on August 24, 2018, 01:06:17 AM
Okay good! I just started to see some changes recently, and also just came out full time at work about a week ago. It's hard for me to tell since i see myself everyday.
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Honest opinions please, how masculine / feminine is my face? any features that scream either sex? Also glasses - always thought they was rather unisex? or do i need to change these up to something more fem?
(https://i.imgur.com/UUSoE0u.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6jZ1mSZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oumBBkB.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/5WcBAGf.jpg)
Thanks
Jo xx
Shambles,
The glasses are just fine.
With the clothes you are wearing and without any hair showing, I would say a bit on the androgynous side, but I do see potential.
Quote from: Shambles on August 26, 2018, 12:49:44 PM
Honest opinions please, how masculine / feminine is my face? any features that scream either sex? Also glasses - always thought they was rather unisex? or do i need to change these up to something more fem?
(https://i.imgur.com/UUSoE0u.jpg)
@Shambles
Hi Jo -
feminine attributes - great nose shape and angle, excellent lip size and shape, the colour choices for scarf and top are more feminine choices. glasses are excellent, your eyebrows look like they might be shaped curved but they're a little light coloured to tell from these photos - when I see them next to your glasses I might recommend an eyebrow pencil to darken and define them slightly. you have great looking skin with no wrinkles - excellent.
masculine traits - your chin is more pronounced than most cis-woman, your brow is more pronounced - although you have a great bridge where your nose meets your brow line - so excellent.
Also I see a great difference in the way your first photo is nice and soft and feminine simply from that gentle smile your giving, when I look at the other photos, you have a slight frown by comparison.
The quickest, easiest changes you could make are, an eyebrow pencil to slightly darken and define eyebrows and just smile a bit more - not sure if your a bit serious just for the photos or not, but smiling is always good PLUS it increases the volume of your cheeks and looks feminine as a result.
Hope this helps,
Sonja.
Hi All,
I thought I would get expert opinion on what sorts of changes I should be making...
The current avatar, which I sort of liked...
(https://i.imgur.com/0hIplo8.jpg)
And, a mug shot from 25 pounds ago...
(https://i.imgur.com/7KJkzzk.jpg)
Thanks for your honesty!
Kate
Wow Katie, you look amazing and beautiful and you have a nice round chin. I cant think of any changes you should make, you look perfect as you are. Definitely would never guess you were even transgender with how you look as i see no masculinity in your appearance at all. Did you get FFS? You did great in your transitioning girl. :D
@Shambles Why dont you post a picture of you with your hair like your other avatar pic that you took down? That is by far your best pic but your first pic you posted here is very good. You have soft feminine features to your face and your skin looks vibrant and fair skinned, the chin might need cosmetic plastic surgery as your second picture shows a rather protruding chin but its fine. Look at Angelina Joilie and her square chin, you can achieve feminine features without surgery (or even HRT for that matter) but most women have either v shaped or oval chins. There are yoga exercises and acupressure you can do for your chin if you want to try them. :)
Try the exercises and acupressure, i mean there is a slight chance they can be effective and make FFS for the chin unnecessary as i have heard people going through plastic surgery for their chins and their chins looked very distorted afterwards. What i suggest is a more natural way.
Quote from: KatieP on August 27, 2018, 12:04:48 AM
Hi All,
I thought I would get expert opinion on what sorts of changes I should be making...
The current avatar, which I sort of liked...
(https://i.imgur.com/0hIplo8.jpg)
And, a mug shot from 25 pounds ago...
(https://i.imgur.com/7KJkzzk.jpg)
Thanks for your honesty!
Kate
@KatieP
Hi Kate,
I'll assume you're only after non-surgical cosmetic opinions.
IMO your avatar photo is perfect - glasses are fun and feminine, great earrings, hair is excellent, makeup - excellent and well balanced,top is great and all your colours work really well together.
In your next photo everything is fine except your blush on your cheeks doesn't feel right, I'm not an expert but I think its either a bit too strong or too large an area that's been applied. The avatar photo seems perfectly balanced and I can see the blush but its not as strong - of course it could be the lighting or the way the camera has captured the photo.
You have a cheerful and pretty face which is lovely! :)
Take care,
Sonja.
Quote from: Sonja on August 27, 2018, 03:46:20 AM
I'll assume you're only after non-surgical cosmetic opinions.
Thanks,
Sonja. I really appreciate the opinions and totally concur about the blush.
IF I were to think surgery, the two things that jump out at me are all the wrinkles around the eyes, and shortening the distance from the upper lip to the bottom of the nose. IF I were thinking surgery, what do you think?
And, both
Sonja, and
Sheila: THANK-YOU SO MUCH for the really sweet comments! It has been sort of a crappy month, but your two posts literally balance a pretty crappy month, and push it into the positive! Your comments could not have come at a better time!!
Katie
@KatieP Dear Katie:
Supportive comments and thoughts from those members that follow your progress can be certainly helpful and encouraging when you may need it most.
Please allow me to state that I concur with the comments for
@Sonja and
@hiddengirlsheila and I agree that you are looking very beautiful, especially in your Avatar Profile picture... I love your glasses also (even though they can hide your beautifully shaped eyebrows)... and I love your hair, and your overall look.
Thank you for sharing with your followers ....
Hugs and well wishes,
Danielle
Quote from: KatieP on August 27, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
Thanks, Sonja. I really appreciate the opinions and totally concur about the blush.
IF I were to think surgery, the two things that jump out at me are all the wrinkles around the eyes, and shortening the distance from the upper lip to the bottom of the nose. IF I were thinking surgery, what do you think?
And, both Sonja, and Sheila: THANK-YOU SO MUCH for the really sweet comments! It has been sort of a crappy month, but your two posts literally balance a pretty crappy month, and push it into the positive! Your comments could not have come at a better time!!
Katie
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on August 27, 2018, 01:30:04 PM
@KatieP
Thank you for sharing with your followers ....
@Danielle
Hi Danielle,
As you are the single most positive person on this forum, and perhaps on the entire Internet, I am pretty sure you "follow" all 32K members. I feel like you are our cheerleader. And I love it! Thank-you for the comments! :-*
Katie
Quote from: Shambles on August 26, 2018, 12:49:44 PM
Honest opinions please, how masculine / feminine is my face? any features that scream either sex? Also glasses - always thought they was rather unisex? or do i need to change these up to something more fem?
(https://i.imgur.com/UUSoE0u.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6jZ1mSZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oumBBkB.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/5WcBAGf.jpg)
Thanks
Jo xx
I think in the 1st 2 pics you looked very feminine the other 2 seemed to go a little on the masculine side but not much at all and glasses won't really matter I don't think but if your concerned about them then when you go glasses shopping just shop in the female glasses section that's what I did
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@Dani I dont mind leaning towards andron atm, just want to try and get rid of whatever masculine stuff i can
@Sonja Thank you for the detail, the funny thing is i always though my nose was big and masculine, the eyebrow pencil is a good spot. They're trimmed down but that's all, they keep a nice shape on there own after removing any unibrow situation! Would like to get them properly shaped though at some point soon. I'm 35 and been on a steroid treatment for most of my life - from what ive read up on i prob wont get any wrinkles while still on the meds so might explain the skin. With not smiling in that photo, it's dam hard to get a nice shot with my phone! that's concentration on my face right there! most end up with some blur.
Wanna start getting some make up bits, think eyebrow pencil will be a good start
Quote from: KatieP on August 27, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
IF I were to think surgery, the two things that jump out at me are all the wrinkles around the eyes, and shortening the distance from the upper lip to the bottom of the nose. IF I were thinking surgery, what do you think?
Katie
@KatieP
Hi Kate, I agonized over whether I thought you should or needed to get anything done....It would be easy to rattle off a list of stuff but I've looked at a ton of websites with before and afters with many procedures and various ages etc and the only thing I feel confident in saying is -- only change something that really really needs it -- even on the pictures many website are showing are some obvious issues they had with asymmetry and various other issues that made me wonder whether the client had traded one problem for another. Which leads me to the skin around your eyes - upper eyelid, skin below the lower eye lid, IMO I wouldn't want anyone going near my eyes unless I had absolute confidence in the surgeon and that the results would be miraculous as to be worth the risk.
Upper lip was also something I was interested in when looking because my avatar photo is hiding the lipstick drawn beyond my upper lip line. Unfortunately when I studied many before and after photos I could only find 1 person who had a noticeable result that was
larger AND natural looking ~4mm, virtually all the others had no noticeable change (about 1mm) but had a scar right underneath their nose from the procedure... what amab are after is quite obviously a natural looking larger upper-lip - something I have yet to find on a procedure website, but I continue to look. If anyone has their own success story or knows of a website showing many procedures in which there are obvious and natural looking results please post...
IMO When I look at your photos and keep your age in mind I would recommend you just......keep smiling! I don't think you need anything beyond non-surgical skin treatments. If you're not already - look into microneedling (dermarolling), SONOPHORESIS INFUSION, NON-SURGICAL FACELIFT - micro currents that stimulate muscles in the face to tighten and reduce sagging. Many clinics usually have treatment plans that you pay weekly/monthly that get you regular and varied treatments that will have a noticeable effect over time when kept going - something my wife has asked for and probably going to get for a Christmas present from me.
Take care,
Sonja.
Quote from: Sonja on August 28, 2018, 06:08:23 AM
look into microneedling (dermarolling), SONOPHORESIS INFUSION, NON-SURGICAL FACELIFT - micro currents that stimulate muscles in the face to tighten and reduce sagging.
Ooooooo, weeeeee! Thanks, Sonja! I have never heard of microneedling. I will look into it!
And, thank you so much for the really useful analysis and information!!! I REALLY appreciate it!
Katie
Quote from: KatieP on August 28, 2018, 10:41:49 AM
Ooooooo, weeeeee! Thanks, Sonja! I have never heard of microneedling. I will look into it!
And, thank you so much for the really useful analysis and information!!! I REALLY appreciate it!
Katie
Everybody is growing older, although it can be fast or slow. We may make it look delayed with various methods.
The most effective methods of delaying aging is, IMO, applying everyday 1) moisturizing cream and 2) sun cream. The third is regular exercise.
If you are too late to do these, there are some modern dermatological procedures which are affordable. Botox, laser, and other stuffs that Sonja already mentioned.
But you can not reduce the wrinkles around your neck. I once saw a beautiful aged woman. Her face was surprisingly smooth, considering her age, but she could not hide the wrinkles around her neck. Her face and her neck were so much contrasting, looking very unnatural to my eyes. Nowadays, I can say that some young college girls have much more wrinkles in their neck than mine, and I guess the main cause is obesity among young kids. Nowadays I mind my wrinkles in the neck, trying to keeping my neck stand to not reveal them.
Vanity is vanity, and you may try some cosmetic procedures that are affordable as long as they will not cause any substantial side effect.
My neck wrinkles:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1882/42518962670_24c5cf5ae8_c.jpg)
Fortunately, my little daughter commented today that I look younger when considering my biological age, 54.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on August 28, 2018, 12:05:07 PM
Fortunately, my little daughter commented today that I look younger when considering my biological age, 54.
Woah, judging by the pictures I've seen of you I thought you were at least twenty years younger...
I've seen a lot of transwomen here who look a lot younger than their real age, actually. I wonder if there's some genuine correlation with transition and youthful appearance vs. cisgender women, or if I'm just not aware of the ages of most cisgender women I know.
Quote from: barbie on August 28, 2018, 12:05:07 PM
Everybody is growing older, although it can be fast or slow. We may make it look delayed with various methods.
The most effective methods of delaying aging is, IMO, applying everyday 1) moisturizing cream and 2) sun cream. The third is regular exercise.
@Barbie. Couldn't agree more about the exercising to slow down the aging process. I do weights 5 times a week and run 3 to 4 times a week. After a good run I notice that my skin firms up and I just get overall tighter younger looking skin. And this carries into the next day. I guess it boils down to getting your oxygen flowing and improving blood circulation. Whatever it is it works. Y'all all look fabulous to me! Maybe one day I'll get he nerve to post a pic or two...one day:)
I see that there are many pretty women here. The main thing is not give up.
In the age of 19-20, I was on HRT for 7 months. I stopped the treatment and at the age of 31, I think about the resumption of transformation. I currently have breast size 36 A and 35.5 in hips. Height 5 ft 7 in, weight 128 lb. I think I don't need FFS.
I have never been in public before en femme, because of my social anxiety, I'm going to check it out soon.
I have the biggest problem with facial hair and body hair. I do not qualify for laser or light, electrolysis is too expensive. It remains waxing and waiting for the effect of estradiol and androcur.
Quote from: Lucca on August 28, 2018, 12:46:55 PM
Woah, judging by the pictures I've seen of you I thought you were at least twenty years younger...
I've seen a lot of transwomen here who look a lot younger than their real age, actually. I wonder if there's some genuine correlation with transition and youthful appearance vs. cisgender women, or if I'm just not aware of the ages of most cisgender women I know.
Yes. I have heard that transgender people tend to be optimistic and look younger.
In my case, facial wrinkles become noticeable at close distance. Until then people seem to think I am 30s or even 20s as they call me pronouns for young ladies in Korean. But eventually I can not hide it for everybody.
Barbie~~
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Quote from: barbie on August 30, 2018, 03:43:05 PM
Yes. I have heard that transgender people tend to be optimistic and look younger.
In my case, facial wrinkles become noticeable at close distance. Until then people seem to think I am 30s or even 20s as they call me pronouns for young ladies in Korean. But eventually I can not hide it for everybody.
Barbie~~
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It seems fair that we get to look younger with all the problems and hurt most of us woman face.
Quote from: heather3791 on August 29, 2018, 08:52:49 PM
@Barbie. Couldn't agree more about the exercising to slow down the aging process. I do weights 5 times a week and run 3 to 4 times a week. After a good run I notice that my skin firms up and I just get overall tighter younger looking skin. And this carries into the next day. I guess it boils down to getting your oxygen flowing and improving blood circulation. Whatever it is it works. Y'all all look fabulous to me! Maybe one day I'll get he nerve to post a pic or two...one day:)
Indeed. People comment that my face suddenly looks younger when I just finish outdoor exercise with beads of sweat on it.
Barbie~~
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2 days ago while running 16 km (10 mile)
Barbie~~(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180830/e669cd563e8de4c4f8f0fc793d74d593.jpg)
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Quote from: barbie on August 30, 2018, 04:00:43 PM
2 days ago while running 16 km (10 mile)
Barbie~~(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180830/e669cd563e8de4c4f8f0fc793d74d593.jpg)
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@barbie Dear Barbie:
My reply to your post in reference to the title of this thread
"Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female? 6.0"The picture that you just posted and all other pictures I have seen of you....
... without a doubt, and of course
you look and can pass as a female.... no questions asked.
You look absolutely beautiful.. even after running.
Hugs,
Danielle
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on August 30, 2018, 04:11:18 PM
@barbie
Dear Barbie:
My reply to your post in reference to the title of this thread
"Do I Look, or Could I Pass as, Female? 6.0"
The picture that you just posted and all other pictures I have seen of you....
... without a doubt, and of course you look and can pass as a female.... no questions asked.
You look absolutely beautiful.. even after running.
Hugs,
Danielle
Thanks, Danielle. Actually my intention was not to ask whether I pass. Passing is virtually meaningless to me. People around me know who I am. Even for strangers, my voice easily reveals my biological sex (although some people still call me pronouns for women). Yes. I mostly use women's public bathroom, sometimes bumping into my female friends, but they are very generous or understand it. Fortunately this does happen to my wife and daughter yet :D :D When I travel with my wife and daughter, I avoid going to the public bathroom together.
barbie~~
I'm not much of a picture whore, but sometimes now and then I kinda feel like posting a pic. and I do like to hear other people's opinions of my progress
*But I really don't like it when people "Quote" my pic.s*
So then I lose interest in the idea - Not really sure what to do about it
Thanks
Hugs
VM, you could post your pic to Google drive or something similar and just provide the share link.
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@V M :::
Come on now V M... the solution is a simple one, when you post a photo, and I hope that you do, just clearly state in bold font that
you DO NOT want you picture included in subsequent quotes and reply postings...
Problem solved.
If a member violates that request it can be reported to the MODS and then removed...
.....and the offending member can be chained to a post and whipped, by you if you wish... j/k :o
Obviously just kidding !!! ;)
Please, girl, your readers and followers definitely wish to see some pictures of you every now and then....
PLEASE!!!!!
Hugs and well wishes,
DanielleQuote from: V M on September 01, 2018, 03:26:40 PM
I'm not much of a picture whore, but sometimes now and then I kinda feel like posting a pic. and I do like to hear other people's opinions of my progress
*But I really don't like it when people "Quote" my pic.s*
So then I lose interest in the idea - Not really sure what to do about it
Thanks
Hugs
It's simple enough to enforce the no copy rule. All you need to do is place your image in a quote and it won't be copied by the quote function. The following is an example of how to do it.
QuotePicture from somewhere on the web
As for V M, the last time I saw her which was about 3 years ago, I thought she passed as female.
Thank you Dena, Danielle and Cluck for your advices
I'll see what I can cook up :icon_chick:
Hugs
Quote from: V M on September 01, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
Thank you Dena, Danielle and Cluck for your advices
I'll see what I can cook up :icon_chick:
Hugs
Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on September 01, 2018, 07:02:22 PM
@V M :::
.....and the offending member can be chained to a post and whipped, by you if you wish... j/k :o
Obviously just kidding !!! ;)
Hugs and well wishes,
Danielle
@V M Thank you for your response... I think that is sounds like a positive response to me.
Just so you know .... I just "might" be able to find a whip that you can use.... >:-)
Now, how about some pictures???
Hugs,
Danielle
Quote from: V M on September 01, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
Thank you Dena, Danielle and Cluck for your advices
I'll see what I can cook up :icon_chick:
Hugs
I just assumed your avatar was your pic. Kind of looks like a real life Applejack. Always had a crush on Applejack.
Trying to imagine a real life pinky pie [emoji3]
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Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on September 01, 2018, 07:02:22 PM
@V M :::
Come on now V M... the solution is a simple one, when you post a photo, and I hope that you do, just clearly state in bold font that you DO NOT want you picture included in subsequent quotes and reply postings... Problem solved.
If a member violates that request it can be reported to the MODS and then removed...
.....and the offending member can be chained to a post and whipped, by you if you wish... j/k :o
Obviously just kidding !!! ;)
Please, girl, your readers and followers definitely wish to see some pictures of you every now and then....
PLEASE!!!!!
Hugs and well wishes,
Danielle
That isn't true at all. No member can tell another member which site features they can and can't use. And the Staff supporting such requests is off limits, too. We've been down this road before.
Hugs, Devlyn
(https://i.imgur.com/z3stMwO.jpg) haven't been on here in forever have no ideal if ever posted this.
In answer to the title of the thread, Rosy: Yes, totally, no question.
I would go as far as to say your screen name completely describes you: Fox.
;D
Kate
Quote from: roseyfox on September 11, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3stMwO.jpg) haven't been on here in forever have no ideal if ever posted this.
Um, you're posting in the wrong place dear - The Fabulous thread is just up the way a bit - Yeah, just over there - go on now
Yes you certainly do look female.
However that particular photo looks like you just caught a glimpse of something unexpected and obscene.
I just like a surprise look is all.
Quote from: roseyfox on September 11, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3stMwO.jpg) haven't been on here in forever have no ideal if ever posted this.
It has been a long time since you have been around here for sure.
You look good!
Rosey, you don't pass as, you just are female. Can't see how anyone would ever think otherwise.
Quote from: roseyfox on September 11, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3stMwO.jpg) haven't been on here in forever have no ideal if ever posted this.
Love the curls :) You are super pretty!
Quote from: roseyfox on September 11, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3stMwO.jpg) haven't been on here in forever have no ideal if ever posted this.
What year did you start taking hormones? You were born to be female.
Quote from: roseyfox on September 11, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3stMwO.jpg) haven't been on here in forever have no ideal if ever posted this.
Rosey,
You look great. Even when I first remember seeing your pics initially, you looked great. So I'm down with V M on this. Check out the Fabulous thread.
Warmly,
Jacqui
Quote from: V M on September 01, 2018, 03:26:40 PM
I'm not much of a picture whore, but sometimes now and then I kinda feel like posting a pic. and I do like to hear other people's opinions of my progress
*But I really don't like it when people "Quote" my pic.s*
So then I lose interest in the idea - Not really sure what to do about it
Thanks
V M,
The last image I saw of you was really good. Go for it and use Dena's suggestion. You deserve a little recognition.
Warmly,
Jacqui
Hugs
Hi Jacqueline
Go to page 67 of the "Fabulous" thread ;)
hah...been almost 4 years since i posted a selfie on page 3 of this thread....and now after so much expensive surgery is the time i feel to self concious to post another lol.
Quote from: RedLila on October 07, 2018, 09:28:14 PM
hah...been almost 4 years since i posted a selfie on page 3 of this thread....and now after so much expensive surgery is the time i feel to self concious to post another lol.
@RedLila It might be time for you to consider updating all of us with your post-surgery pictures....
...we would love to peek at you again after so many years :)
Obviously only post a picture if you feel comfortable doing so....... ???
Hugs,
Danielle
#nofilter
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#nofilter
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Hey tskriszti,
Looking good. I had to do a double take. You look very much like a female friend of mine.
Take care,
Paige :)
Quote from: tskriszti on October 09, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
#nofilter
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@tskriszti Yes indeed, you are looking really good there, girl !!! definitely a female.
Wishing you well,
Danielle
Quote from: tskriszti on October 09, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
#nofilter
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Get out of the passing thread and over to the Fabulous thread right now, young lady! :)
Oh, girls. You are very kind :)
Unfortunately, I'm not always so sure about myself. And afraid that some people see me as a man dressed in a woman's clothes. :(
But your encouragement means a lot to me ❤️
Hugs,
Krisztina
ok, so new pic -
(https://i.imgur.com/AwHH4V7.jpg?2)
getting the hang of basic make up now. Starting to get the feeling even without hair (as those girls are real) i'll get a little male fail in mens loo's. In fact this was me (minus hair) going into work the other day.
look or pass fem?
look trans?
Feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!!
Quote from: Shambles on October 13, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
ok, so new pic -
(https://i.imgur.com/AwHH4V7.jpg?2)
getting the hang of basic make up now. Starting to get the feeling even without hair (as those girls are real) i'll get a little male fail in mens loo's. In fact this was me (minus hair) going into work the other day.
look or pass fem?
look trans?
Feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!!
You look femme to me, doll. Guys doing the double take at the bathroom is always a good indicator, and validator. I'll offer the usual advice: A smile is the best cosmetic we have. :)
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Shambles on October 13, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
ok, so new pic -
(https://i.imgur.com/AwHH4V7.jpg?2)
getting the hang of basic make up now. Starting to get the feeling even without hair (as those girls are real) i'll get a little male fail in mens loo's. In fact this was me (minus hair) going into work the other day.
look or pass fem?
look trans?
Feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!!
@Shambles Are you on HRT yet? How long? I am thinking that you must be on HRT from looking at your twin girls... looking good.... they are getting hard to hide at this point.
I see that you may be planning surgery in 2020, but first see what you can do without it.
From looking at your picture, you are getting there, please know that as you continue your journey your acceptance will keep improving as time goes on with HRT and the continuing steps that you take to refine your feminine appearance, body movements, etc..... consider being clocked as learning opportunities.
Also, as
@Devlyn stated in her reply comment, a big and happy smile on your face will disarm and distract many that will try to clock you and stare at you.
Thanks for posting and sharing... I will be eagerly looking for your future postings to follow your progress.
Hugs,
Danielle
@devlyn ive never been good at smiling, avoiding eye contact is where i excel but it is one thing i do need to get over. Guessing its just a lack of confidance
@Alaskan Danielle im not on hrt yet. The 2020 will be the earlyest im seen by the nhs for hrt. I am 38 or 40 c though.
To quote Billy Joel:
"Remember how I found you there
Alone in your electric chair
I told you dirty jokes until you smiled"
;D
Smile and bright lipstick goes a long way dear, tried Gender GP??
Hi ladies,
Any feedback is welcome.
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Hugs.
Pascale
Pascale, you look nervous in these photos, but you're out and about, and as your confidence grows it will shine through. It may be the photos, but it looks like there's a little beard and moustache shadow showing. There are tricks and products to help cover that up. You're well on your way, keep up the good work, girl!
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: davina61 on October 13, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
Smile and bright lipstickt goes a long way dear, tried Gender GP??
In contact with them but hit a road block with wife. Dont want me to touch them ((
Many, thanks Devlyn, this really helps.
Pascale
@Autrement
Hi Pascale,
Here are some ideas you could try,
1) Use mascara instead of fake eyleashes - have some makeup remover wipes handy.
2) shape your eye brows slightly and then use a brow pencil to help define them and fill them out on the outer areas, also use an eyebrow spoolie to comb them - I would encourage you to get them shaped by a professional because it takes careful practice to get them right and so many people always end up over plucking them too far apart from their nose. You don't have to shape them completely femme - you can just get them tidied up a lot and then use the pencil to draw a more femme shape when you want it.
3) I would think about using a darker shade of lipstick instead of that pinkish hue you have on - darker reds/browns sit much better on people who are a little bit older and I think they look better anyway. Think about all the shades of colour you are using on your face and what you're going to be wearing - colour co-ordinate.
4) have a look on youtube for tutorials for hiding beard shadow (5 o'clock shadow) usually involves using an orange colour correcting stick and then a heavy concealing foundation - make sure to get one that does not cake up - meaning - one that doesn't thin out around facial crease lines after a few hours - there are ones that are good for 'not caking'. Personally I use orange corector, bb cream or cc cream and then a matched foundation over the top, then contouring sticks for defining cheek bones and little tricks for reducing nose&jaw size and shape ( youtube tutorials), then I use a lip liner pencil and overdraw my lips slighty because they are a bit too thin for my liking ( youtube tutorials) and apply lipstick and a bit of colour gloss for an ombre look. then apply eye liner, shadow and mascara. then a bit of shimmer on your upper cheeks, then powder to get rid of too much shine, then makeup fixture spray to stop your makeup from coming off.
I'm going to assume you're already using a good moisturizer in the morning and night? I use dermalogica skin smoothing cream with a couple of drops of nightly repair serum and eye lift booster - its excellent stuff.
Also I see you've got some fine lines on your face - have you tried microneedling/dermarolling to help fill in those lines and smooth out your skin?
Hope this helps, I think you're very brave,
Sonja.
:)
Many thanks Sonja!
First photos and first time out, pre Everything. First HRT appointment next week.
https://i.imgur.com/GiRWWq8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ReQrDl6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GnEN9Ms.jpg
Second night out.
https://i.imgur.com/4r1v2y4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CNjQMXo.jpg
Hi Jaime,
The links don't seem to be up/current...
Kate
Try now
Quote from: Jaime320 on October 19, 2018, 12:46:32 PM
Try now
@Jaime320 Dear Jaime:
Your picture links are working OK now.
Thank you for sharing your photos.... wow, pre everything, no HRT yet...
Looking good... and you are a brave girl for going out and about dressed up as Jaime....
So, where did you all go in your car???
Hugs and best wishes...
Danielle
Thank you for posting & sharing.
Quote from: Jaime320 on October 18, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
First photos and first time out, pre Everything. First HRT appointment next week.
https://i.imgur.com/GiRWWq8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ReQrDl6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GnEN9Ms.jpg
Second night out.
https://i.imgur.com/4r1v2y4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CNjQMXo.jpg
I must say you are absolutely gorgeous and so so damn and then looking I would never have guessed that you even had to start hormones you look like you were born the correct gender a woman
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Ignoring the scruffy hair, I like to think my face isnt so bad.
Oh and also ignore that bruise thats just starting below my eye, dropped a phone on my face XD
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@alaskan Danielle
I've been going different places around Northern Illinois/Wisconsin. Mostly accepting pubs for dinner and group events. Trying to find time to change between work and Dr appointment Monday afternoon. Doubt I can pull it off.
Quote from: jaybutterfly on October 19, 2018, 07:25:18 PM
Ignoring the scruffy hair, I like to think my face isnt so bad.
Oh and also ignore that bruise thats just starting below my eye, dropped a phone on my face XD
Yeah, you definitely have a nice starting shape and features. HRT will do well on you, from what I can tell so far. :)
Aww thank you! I can't take all the credit. It's amazing what a good make over can do.
Quote from: Arianna Valentine on October 19, 2018, 07:05:40 PM
I must say you are absolutely gorgeous and so so damn and then looking I would never have guessed that you even had to start hormones you look like you were born the correct gender a woman
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Quote from: Jaime320 on October 19, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
Aww thank you! I can't take all the credit. It's amazing what a good make over can do.
I am going to have to try a makeover one time then cuz I have never had one I usually just do my own makeup or when my sister-in-law used to live by me she'd do it for me LMAO
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Quote from: jaybutterfly on October 19, 2018, 07:25:18 PM
Ignoring the scruffy hair, I like to think my face isnt so bad.
Oh and also ignore that bruise thats just starting below my eye, dropped a phone on my face XD
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I personally think you have very feminine facial features nice well-rounded face and you should do absolutely wonderful on HRT also just run a brush through your hair women have long hair women have short hair so you know you'll be good. Now my question is how did you drop your phone on your face
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on October 19, 2018, 07:40:02 PM
I personally think you have very feminine facial features nice well-rounded face and you should do absolutely wonderful on HRT also just run a brush through your hair women have long hair women have short hair so you know you'll be good. Now my question is how did you drop your phone on your face
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texting in bed, my trapped arm nerve played up and I lost my grip, gravity did it's thing. Mistakes were made.
Le cry face
Quote from: jaybutterfly on October 20, 2018, 03:05:05 AM
texting in bed, my trapped arm nerve played up and I lost my grip, gravity did it's thing. Mistakes were made.
Le cry face
That sucks I've come close to face timing my phone but thankfully it missed
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Hair could be a little more tidy but happy with make-up -
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thoughts? look / pass / obvious male?
Quote from: Shambles on October 24, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
Hair could be a little more tidy but happy with make-up -
(https://i.imgur.com/Ztdo5ES.jpg)
thoughts? look / pass / obvious male?
Yes. Lovely hair. It is not easy to keep hair tidy.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on October 24, 2018, 01:17:04 PM
Yes. Lovely hair. It is not easy to keep hair tidy.
barbie~~
Yea I know! Look at the mess I have!
Quote from: Shambles on October 24, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
Hair could be a little more tidy but happy with make-up -
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thoughts? look / pass / obvious male?
You look very feminine you have beautiful hair smile a little girl
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Quote from: Shambles on October 24, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
Hair could be a little more tidy but happy with make-up -
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thoughts? look / pass / obvious male?
You look like you could be the twin sister of a female friend of mine! REALLY! Even your eyeglasses are similar. Hair, clothes, hat are perfect. If I had to change one thing, it would be the eyeglasses, for a rounder, more feminine pair. But women, including my friend, are wearing masculine frames now, so not really a problem.
@jaybutterfly
You have some great feminine features there so - yes you could visually pass with a few more feminine touches.
@Shambles
Joanna, looking great, your makeup is coming along ( I'm still working on mine too) I think if you can tidy the hair it will also end up looking more natural. I would just recommend you remember to relax your face and smile a bit for the photos.
I remember when my wife was giving me my first makeover and while she was doing it she pulled back and said to me "are you ok?" I said "yes" she said "you look like you're miserable" ......I was just nervous with her doing it - she had said some time before that she didn't want to see me in makeup and here she was doing it. Well I kept reminding myself to keep smiling after that so she knew I was actually really enjoying the whole experience - and we both had a great night.
Keep smiling,
Sonja.
Thank you both )
A smile... the only cosmetic that doesn't make someone else rich. I try to wear one all the time. :)
Quote from: Devlyn on October 26, 2018, 02:14:40 AM
A smile... the only cosmetic that doesn't make someone else rich. I try to wear one all the time. :)
You should smile all the time Smiles are contagious I have noticed that a lot whenever somebody sees you smile that can help a smile back
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My first time dressed as a woman. No makeup yet, just lip balm.
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Forgive the chest hair, I'm very new at this. :laugh:
Quote from: Magnolia88 on October 26, 2018, 11:33:35 PM
My first time dressed as a woman. No makeup yet, just lip balm.
(https://i.imgur.com/C6GIb0P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8YNq1xV.jpg)
Forgive the chest hair, I'm very new at this. [emoji23]
We all have a starting point you look wonderful enjoy your journey because I promise it's the best one you'll ever make
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Thank you!
Me as a blonde. I love this wig.
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I know I have a lot of work to do, but I'm starting to see the real me come through.
Quote from: Magnolia88 on October 26, 2018, 11:33:35 PM
My first time dressed as a woman. No makeup yet, just lip balm.
(https://i.imgur.com/C6GIb0P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8YNq1xV.jpg)
Forgive the chest hair, I'm very new at this. :laugh:
@Magnolia88
hey Magnolia - You have some fantastic starting features - you have a cute little button nose, lovely eyes, perfect lip size and shape IMO, and overall a great face shape for heading forward.
Some pointers I can give you are this - obviously hair removal on your face would make a massive difference to giving you a very femme finish, also body hair removal - which you already know about. Your eyebrows are plucked a bit too far apart in the middle - you must be careful not to over pluck hairs here because when you pull hairs out its possible to damage the hair follicle so that the hair doesn't grow any more - which is why some women end up with a lack of eye brow hair altogether after year of plucking. I would encourage you to have a look at pictures on the net that show where to pluck them - there is a an angle rule that is 'generally' agreed the best overall shape and size for them, like below.
https://www.mythirtyspot.com/how-to-shape-your-eyebrows-the-best-shape-to-flatter-your-face-2/
Well I hope this helps a little,
Sonja.
Quote from: Sonja on October 28, 2018, 04:51:34 PM
@Magnolia88
hey Magnolia - You have some fantastic starting features - you have a cute little button nose, lovely eyes, perfect lip size and shape IMO, and overall a great face shape for heading forward.
Some pointers I can give you are this - obviously hair removal on your face would make a massive difference to giving you a very femme finish, also body hair removal - which you already know about. Your eyebrows are plucked a bit too far apart in the middle - you must be careful not to over pluck hairs here because when you pull hairs out its possible to damage the hair follicle so that the hair doesn't grow any more - which is why some women end up with a lack of eye brow hair altogether after year of plucking. I would encourage you to have a look at pictures on the net that show where to pluck them - there is a an angle rule that is 'generally' agreed the best overall shape and size for them, like below.
https://www.mythirtyspot.com/how-to-shape-your-eyebrows-the-best-shape-to-flatter-your-face-2/
Well I hope this helps a little,
Sonja.
Thank you so much Sonja. I've always struggled with what to do with my brows so this is really helpful. I'm also gonna start laser hair removal when I have enough money. Hopefully it can get rid of my five o clock shadow. I'm growing my hair out as well. It's about shoulder length right now, but not well maintained. I want to find a stylist to show me how to take care of it and help it grow. Eventually, I want my natural hair to be as long as the blonde wig is. I'm also hoping hrt will shrink my neck muscles, although it will be awhile before I can start taking them.
hello everyone. been away for a long time due to real life priorities and issues. i've longed been wondering how people see me and always been worried/afraid to post online (once online, always online) kind of issue but i think it should stop worrying.
I've been on HRT for 8 months now. i came from a very mascular background (bodybuilding.powerlifting) and i really don't know how I look. I can tell myself I look good but I'm not confident about myself. thanks
i'm also 36 years of age...
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Quote from: Magnolia88 on October 28, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Me as a blonde. I love this wig.
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I know I have a lot of work to do, but I'm starting to see the real me come through.
sis, what breast size are you?? i'm jealous!!
Quote from: IamJoannaAndJohn on October 31, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
sis, what breast size are you?? i'm jealous!!
I must say I'm a bit jealous too LOL
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@IamJoannaAndJohn
I think you look great, attractive, very feminine in the first 2 pics the third you need to relax your face a bit -a little too serious lol, LOVE your hair its gorgeous. Looks like your chest is dong well 8 months along - are you on progesterone also atm? generally chest growth max's out at 3 years but when people have an orchiectomy it can give another growth spurt I've heard. @Devlyn correct?
Just keep smiling! you're looking Very Cute!
Sonja.
Quote from: IamJoannaAndJohn on October 31, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
sis, what breast size are you?? i'm jealous!!
It's all real...not. I am wearing some padding, but some of it is fat. I hope my fat distributes more to my chest and hips on hrt rather than my stomach where most of it goes now.
Quote from: Magnolia88 on October 28, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Me as a blonde. I love this wig.
(https://i.imgur.com/sCb7Dca.jpg)
I know I have a lot of work to do, but I'm starting to see the real me come through.
You have great features.
Quote from: gingerViktorKay on November 02, 2018, 01:12:52 AM
You have great features.
Especially those lips so big and full you are so lucky LOL
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Ginger and Arianna, thank you both. You have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that.
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This is my most recent photo. (:
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This is my most recent photo. (:
Definitely in the passing section [emoji847]
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Quote from: xAmyX on November 24, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
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This is my most recent photo. (:
@xAmyX Looking really good in your photo....
...no problems about passing from what I see.
Thank you for posting and sharing.
Hugs and well wishes,
Danielle
Quote from: xAmyX on November 24, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
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This is my most recent photo. (:
You are absolutely gorgeous and there is no doubt that you could pass without any problems whatsoever
If you can't accept yourself, how can you expect others to accept you?
Quote from: xAmyX on November 24, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
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This is my most recent photo. (:
Nice selfie. Yes.
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I decided to go even more recent. That last photo was about 3-4 weeks ago. This one is right here, right now. 😘
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I decided to go even more recent. That last photo was about 3-4 weeks ago. This one is right here, right now. [emoji8]
You are still just as gorgeous as you were in the picture before you definitely pass
If you can't accept yourself, how can you expect others to accept you?
Thank you! You're so sweet! 😘
Ok new pic, different top and new glasses -
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Quote from: Shambles on November 27, 2018, 04:03:34 PM
Ok new pic, different top and new glasses -
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You look very beautiful definitely passing
If you can't accept yourself, how can you expect others to accept you?
Quote from: Shambles on November 27, 2018, 04:03:34 PM
Ok new pic, different top and new glasses -
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You still look like my friend. Even the tilt of your head is like her.
@moonflower you know, i did wonder sbout your friend when i got the new glasses.
Looking great dear, liking the glasses. XXXXXX
Just relaxing today (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/5cf32874693c5ee450750dbdd0c5952d.jpg)
If you can't accept yourself, how can you expect others to accept you?
Quote from: Arianna Valentine on November 29, 2018, 04:02:18 AM
Just relaxing today (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/5cf32874693c5ee450750dbdd0c5952d.jpg)
If you can't accept yourself, how can you expect others to accept you?
Love that hair! [emoji3] Mines not quite there yet, still in it's awkward faze, very frizzy and apparently I have some natural curliness i never even knew...lol
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I say you most definitely pass.
Very pretty.
AJ
Quote from: RachelsMantra on January 05, 2017, 08:14:30 AM
Many people in this thread and others don't think I pass in the pictures I post so.....
You must be listening to the wrong people, Rachel. You don't just "pass", you're frigging gorgeous. I consider myself quite an authority on this subject, at least. You could be a model. There's nothing wrong with self-improvement, but most of us would be thrilled to look half as good as you.
I'm still pre-hrt and just playing around. I really want to come out to my close friend + dad over the next few weeks and just take the plunge to start hormones.
Super minimal makeup so not sure if that's doing much feminizing or not. ???
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I am envious to everyone's hair :)
Fear of not passing is one of the things that holds me back. I hate the idea of not being perfect.... One of my flaws....
Quote from: Confetti on January 02, 2019, 02:45:36 PM
I'm still pre-hrt and just playing around. I really want to come out to my close friend + dad over the next few weeks and just take the plunge to start hormones.
Super minimal makeup so not sure if that's doing much feminizing or not. ???
(https://i.imgur.com/1Y6U2nF.jpg)
You look very feminine and very beautiful and I am so jealous of your hair I wish mine could actually grow longer but it likes to take its to dear sweet time
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Quote from: Confetti on January 02, 2019, 02:45:36 PM
I'm still pre-hrt and just playing around. I really want to come out to my close friend + dad over the next few weeks and just take the plunge to start hormones.
Super minimal makeup so not sure if that's doing much feminizing or not. ???
(https://i.imgur.com/1Y6U2nF.jpg)
I agree with Arianna, you do look feminine. A little makeup and you'd have no problem passing at all. If that is your goal.
Quote from: Confetti on January 02, 2019, 02:45:36 PM
I'm still pre-hrt and just playing around. I really want to come out to my close friend + dad over the next few weeks and just take the plunge to start hormones.
Super minimal makeup so not sure if that's doing much feminizing or not. ???
(https://i.imgur.com/1Y6U2nF.jpg)
You look great, Confetti. You facial structure has great potential. The best feminizing accessory is a smile. ;D
Quote from: IzzyM on January 02, 2019, 03:11:47 PM
Fear of not passing is one of the things that holds me back. I hate the idea of not being perfect.... One of my flaws....
So, I am pretty new here, but based on my reading of the various threads, virtually every single person thinks they are not perfect, and most of us think we don't pass. And, most of us are wrong.
I have said on these forums and others that if you are thinking you don't pass, go out anyway. Even if you do not pass, people need to get used to us, and need to treat us respectfully, no matter what they think we look like. And... You just might find, as many of us have, that there are no issues, and whether or not you passed made no difference in any way in any of your interactions or experiences. In another thread, someone asked, if you are treated as a woman, and people are pleasant and respectful, does it matter if they "clocked" you or not? Since you can't read peoples' minds, and you can only know their actions, if they act like they think you are woman, then all should be good.
Easy to say. Hard to do. At least for the first 15 or 20, or 100 times. But it does get easier... :)
Kate
Kate
I haven't done anything like electro, or laser, or HRT. I did grow out my hair and shave, and sometimes I do wear makeup. I don't know if I will start HRT someday, I might. I'm wondering if I wanted to pass someday as female what realistically I could expect to need to do? HRT alone? facial surgery? type of makeup?
Here are some pictures of me without makeup on.
https://imgur.com/a/gZWoQyG (https://imgur.com/a/gZWoQyG)
Some of my existing concerns are the size of my forehead, jawline, and chin, and how low my eyebrows are.
Quote from: Sam1066 on January 03, 2019, 01:46:54 AM
I haven't done anything like electro, or laser, or HRT. I did grow out my hair and shave, and sometimes I do wear makeup. I don't know if I will start HRT someday, I might. I'm wondering if I wanted to pass someday as female what realistically I could expect to need to do? HRT alone? facial surgery? type of makeup?
Here are some pictures of me without makeup on.
https://imgur.com/a/gZWoQyG (https://imgur.com/a/gZWoQyG)
I think you look absolutely lovely and I think you could definitely pass one day all you need is the hormones girl
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Quote from: Sam1066 on January 03, 2019, 01:46:54 AM
I haven't done anything like electro, or laser, or HRT. I did grow out my hair and shave, and sometimes I do wear makeup. I don't know if I will start HRT someday, I might. I'm wondering if I wanted to pass someday as female what realistically I could expect to need to do? HRT alone? facial surgery? type of makeup?
Here are some pictures of me without makeup on.
https://imgur.com/a/gZWoQyG (https://imgur.com/a/gZWoQyG)
Some of my existing concerns are the size of my forehead, jawline, and chin, and how low my eyebrows are.
I think you will, one day. HRT does wonders, dear, so don't think you're hopeless. Also, makeup helps in the meantime. I know that I don't completely pass, but I do like the way I look with my makeup and wig. HRT has helped me to feel better about my appearance, so I think it will help you as well.
Quote from: SiobhánF on January 04, 2019, 04:49:55 PM
I think you will, one day. HRT does wonders, dear, so don't think you're hopeless. Also, makeup helps in the meantime. I know that I don't completely pass, but I do like the way I look with my makeup and wig. HRT has helped me to feel better about my appearance, so I think it will help you as well.
I have seen several of your pictures and I happen to think you pass perfectly fine you are a very beautiful woman
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on January 04, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
I have seen several of your pictures and I happen to think you pass perfectly fine you are a very beautiful woman
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Awww, thank you. ^-^
The most important tools that help you pass are attitude, confidence, and a sense that you are doing exactly what you are supposed to be doing.
BTW, I also envy your hair. I'm 67 and very bald. Transition would involve a wig. But they do make high end full lace human hair ones that you glue to your head. The lace hairline can withstand reasonably close inspection (slow dancing with a guy). With the glue, you can wear the wig for a month, remove it, and replace it with an identical one. If my wig lady does that, I could keep my eyes closed during the switch and avoid the dysphoria of seeing my bald self!
At least I hope so 🤪
You look beautiful .
There is no doubt in my mind you pass with flying colors.
I've lost a lot of weight since the last time I posted any pictures, so hopefully these are improved. Other than my face, which hasn't been prepared in any way besides shaving, how do I look? (Click thumbnails to expand. Image quality is still terrible, but there's not really anything I can do about that right now.)
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How long have you been on hormones?
Right now your shoulders are a little big compared to your hips. However as time passes on HRT the muscle mass of your shoulders should diminish as fat deposits are stored on your hips and thighs. That will help swing the upside down triangle to possibly an hour glass figure or close enough.
In the mean time posture also makes a difference. That and a hair do. Your hair is starting to be long enough to style it. Maybe consider a style that looks good on your face. The hair framing the face helps a lot with passing.
No HRT yet, I'm trying to decide if I want it and/or want to transition full time or not. I want to present femininely in public some before going on hormones.
Quote from: PixieStix on August 23, 2018, 02:28:07 AM
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Do i Look passable?
Yes, looking good girl
Current: (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2Fmmfuc7.jpg&hash=1641524f7769e9d21c28603c476acd571c5c95f8)
Older:
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It is amazing to see, how some not so great looking guys are turning into beautiful girls!
Held a viewing for my dad today its real and hitting me harder than i thought it would(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/5731ad1703419e63a8947c6d6a3cbe26.jpg)
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on February 07, 2019, 07:03:55 PM
Held a viewing for my dad today its real and hitting me harder than i thought it would(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/5731ad1703419e63a8947c6d6a3cbe26.jpg)
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@Arianna Valentine
Honestly Arianna - I think you look lovely!!! It looks to me like your hair and makeup is really coming along and matching your overall look really well.
I hope you are well,
Sonja.
Quote from: Sonja on February 07, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
@Arianna Valentine
Honestly Arianna - I think you look lovely!!! It looks to me like your hair and makeup is really coming along and matching your overall look really well.
I hope you are well,
Sonja.
Im not well but i am here and still trying to move forward I thank you very much everyone for being such wonderful friends
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Quote from: NatalieRene on January 19, 2019, 07:22:27 PM
How long have you been on hormones?
Right now your shoulders are a little big compared to your hips. However as time passes on HRT the muscle mass of your shoulders should diminish as fat deposits are stored on your hips and thighs. That will help swing the upside down triangle to possibly an hour glass figure or close enough.
In the mean time posture also makes a difference. That and a hair do. Your hair is starting to be long enough to style it. Maybe consider a style that looks good on your face. The hair framing the face helps a lot with passing.
@Lucca
I agree with Natalie, framing you face with a stronger style will help you. That jumper is adding bulk to your shoulder area while the pleated skirt is hugging your narrower hips - try finding skirts that are made from stiffer material that also flare out - get very specific with waist size - so If you can get as small as possible skirt at your waist it will be forced to flare as it goes down and hits your hip bones - doubly so if its a flared skirt -you need to flip that triangle and accentuate the new one.
Hope this helps,
Sonja.
Quote from: Arianna Valentine on February 07, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
Im not well but i am here and still trying to move forward I thank you very much everyone for being such wonderful friends
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@Arianna Valentine
I'm sorry to hear that, it can be a difficult path to walk but its important to accept that difficulty and keep moving.
A song just for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9vZHbcx6cQ
Love XO,
Sonja.
Quote from: Hannah Samira on July 02, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
I'll start with one I took the other week, I can't remember if I posted it on here or not :P
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WOW! I pray that I am as beautiful as you are.
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on February 07, 2019, 07:03:55 PM
Held a viewing for my dad today its real and hitting me harder than i thought it would(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190208/5731ad1703419e63a8947c6d6a3cbe26.jpg)
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Arianna!!!
You look BEAUTIFUL Little Sister!!!... I am sorry you are feeling the weight of the journey's challenges right now!!! Ever onward we go and the hard parts give way to the joyous parts... PLEASE don't hesitate to let me know if I can be of help navigating the current challenges!!!
Hugs and Love!!!
Ashley 🙋♀️💕🌻
Quote from: tgirlamg on February 07, 2019, 09:53:36 PM
Arianna!!!
You look BEAUTIFUL Little Sister!!!... I am sorry you are feeling the weight of the journey's challenges right now!!! Ever onward we go and the hard parts give way to the joyous parts... PLEASE don't hesitate to let me know if I can be of help navigating the current challenges!!!
Hugs and Love!!!
Ashley [emoji2320][emoji177][emoji258]
Not going to lie I can use as much help as I can get feel free to message me anytime you want
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Quote from: Arianna Valentine on February 07, 2019, 10:01:05 PM
Not going to lie I can use as much help as I can get feel free to message me anytime you want
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Check you inbox little sister!!!
Hugs!!!
A 🙋♀️💕🌸
Quote from: Sonja on February 07, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
@Lucca
I agree with Natalie, framing you face with a stronger style will help you. That jumper is adding bulk to your shoulder area while the pleated skirt is hugging your narrower hips - try finding skirts that are made from stiffer material that also flare out - get very specific with waist size - so If you can get as small as possible skirt at your waist it will be forced to flare as it goes down and hits your hip bones - doubly so if its a flared skirt -you need to flip that triangle and accentuate the new one.
Hope this helps,
Sonja.
Hmm, maybe. I agree that the sweater/jumper doesn't look all the great. But while the other outfit with the thin shirt plus the skirt is only a little better, it
does hide my male-patterned abdominal fat and crotch bulge very well, without being uncomfortable. Clothes that accentuate the waste sometimes give me more hips, but draw attention to my belly more, not to mention my "hip dips" since my hips aren't straight.
EDIT: More details: I can make my shoulders look smaller by having more/looser fabric on the upper body, but then that makes my lower body look formless. I can also sort of emphasize my hips by tucking my top into my skirt instead of having it hang over the skirt, but then you can see my muffin top.
How's everybody doing? 🙃
Never looked at this topic before. We are all hard on ourselves.
1. Because we are women. 2. Because we are TRANSwomen. Double whammy.
At this point I just assume everyone thinks I am trans and when they don't I am surprised.
No make-up in these pics. I think, I forgot when I took the second one.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/7ad196e0360308dba4d61cf1825019fe.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/ad209b1b64022b7f01e33f607a239f9e.jpg)
Looking good mami. 😘
So anybody got any tips? I've posted but not heard anything back? Is this thing on? :icon_tears:
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Current: (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2Fmmfuc7.jpg&hash=1641524f7769e9d21c28603c476acd571c5c95f8)
Older:
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Quote from: Abbystarchild on February 16, 2019, 01:43:17 AM
So anybody got any tips? I've posted but not heard anything back? Is this thing on? :icon_tears:
What are you looking for advice on? There was no question in your original post.
I think you should consider contacts, but from the photos you have come a long way in your appearance and presentation.
@Abbystarchild I think you are looking like a real girly girl!
I must pass better than I thought I did. :o awesome!
Quote from: Abbystarchild on February 16, 2019, 11:36:54 AM
I must pass better than I thought I did. :o awesome!
We are our own hardest critics! Others see us different, we have those stupid mirrors who have that memory of our former male image stored in them, and throw it back at us at times we do not hope to see it!
Quote from: Abbystarchild on February 16, 2019, 01:43:17 AM
So anybody got any tips? I've posted but not heard anything back? Is this thing on? :icon_tears:
@Abbystarchild Dear Abby:You are looking quite nice in all of your posted photos ... but if I were forced to pick my favorite it would be your very last photo. ;) :) .... very feminine and pretty.
.... and yes,
"This thing is on" ... please bear in mind that a lot of members will read posts but will only reply when they have more time, or have something to say....
PATIENCE !!!!Thank you for sharing your photos ...
Hugs,
Daneille
Abby you actually look quite a bit like a woman I used to work with. She was a hoot. Quite the character. When I first met her I thought she was obnoxious - she was so over the top. Ended up being one of my favorite people.
Anyway - you two could be sisters.
How's this? I looked a bit boxy, wide-shouldered, and small-waisted in my last pictures, so I'm trying again. Here, I've got a fairly stiff, pleated skirt on, and a top that hopefully strikes a nice balance between being too form-fitting and being drapey. (Plus, I used my phone in front of a mirror instead of my computer's built-in camera, so hopefully it's a little easier to see.)
Side note, you can see that my legs are a bit "crooked" or "knock-kneed", in that they swing outward from the knees. Some fashion guides will give tips on how to hide it, I'm kind of just "meh" on it since it's not really a gendered thing. I can kind of hide it anyway with the right posture, like the lower picture.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vcgGgP0v/IMG-20190218-201712935.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vcgGgP0v)
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Hey I wouldn't be afraid to show a little more skin if you are into that sorta thing. A lighter looking top which shows a bit of a softer side of you. Not all girls have breasts anyway so just try to feel fun and casual. I usually look at the clothes of my friends.. Actually my newest outfit a super cute dress and leggings that kinda match was from a friend. Has spegetti straps and since I keep cut or don't have much body hair anyway, thank the goddess!, it looks pretty nice even with little proto breasts. <3 Good luck beautiful and maybe a couple cute small braids. :p but I'm a bit of a girly girl.
Decided to throw mine in here and see what other women think?...I totally agree we are our own worst critics.
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Keep in mind I have yet to start HRT but I THINK I'm getting there (slowly) of course
Sophia
;D chin up! A nice big smile showing your pearly whites is the best thing to tone down masculinity! Also how would you look with bangs? Like the outfit. :D
Quote from: Abbystarchild on February 18, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
;D chin up! A nice big smile showing your pearly whites is the best thing to tone down masculinity! Also how would you look with bangs? Like the outfit. :D
@Abbystarchild Dear Abby: I think that you snuck in here on this thread without me realizing that you need to have my Official Welcome here to Susan's Place.
I am so very glad that you have become a member here and these are
your very first postings. I am happy to see that you found the Susan's Place Forums.
As you post on the forums you will be able to exchange thoughts and comments with others that are experiencing many of the same things that you are. I expect that you will be getting many members offering their thoughts and suggestions as you continue to post here.
This is the right place for you to be to find out what others may have to say that may have been in your circumstances and with your questions and concerns.
There are a lot of members here that will be able to identify with your situation and as you continue to feel free to share with all of us.
I also want to warmly
WELCOME you to Susan's Place.
You will find this a safe and friendly place to share with others and to read about others similar trials, tribulations, and successes.
As you are certainly aware you can share with others and involve yourself with some give and take with other like-minded members. When frustrated or if you have successes you can share it here if you wish and receive support from others
and offer support to others. ....
***There is a very good chance that you might find that you will
make some new like-minded friends here.
Please come in and continue to be involved at your own pace.
I have attached important and informative
LINKS that will help you to navigate around the Forums and will allow you to enjoy the features here.
Please look closely at the
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@Abbystarchild Oh, and another thing Abby...
Please plan to write a post and tell us more about yourself in the Introductions Forum (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,8.0.html) so that other members will be aware of your arrival... therefore you will be able to share your thoughts with more members here.
Thank you again for joining Susan's Place and being involved in the Forums here.
Best wishes to you,
DanielleNOTE: Now after all of this Greeting Stuff I will let everyone have your thread back so you can pursue answers to your questions.
Other members here will certainly be along to give you their comments and suggestions that you may be seeking
Quote from: Sophiaprincess2019 on February 18, 2019, 08:12:25 PM
Decided to throw mine in here and see what other women think?...I totally agree we are our own worst critics.
Keep in mind I have yet to start HRT but I THINK I'm getting there (slowly) of course
Sophia
I think you'll do quite well on hormones. A little contouring and some mascara to open up your eyes and you'll be right there. 🙂
Quote from: Lucca on February 18, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
How's this? I looked a bit boxy, wide-shouldered, and small-waisted in my last pictures, so I'm trying again. Here, I've got a fairly stiff, pleated skirt on, and a top that hopefully strikes a nice balance between being too form-fitting and being drapey. (Plus, I used my phone in front of a mirror instead of my computer's built-in camera, so hopefully it's a little easier to see.)
Side note, you can see that my legs are a bit "crooked" or "knock-kneed", in that they swing outward from the knees. Some fashion guides will give tips on how to hide it, I'm kind of just "meh" on it since it's not really a gendered thing. I can kind of hide it anyway with the right posture, like the lower picture.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vcgGgP0v/IMG-20190218-201712935.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vcgGgP0v)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NyYtnQBN/IMG-20190218-201735719.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyYtnQBN)
@Lucca
Hi Lucca - sorry for the delay, got a new job - so busy busy. The new photos definitely show improvement in for getting more shape in your waste/hips etc and its clever overlapping your legs to pull your shape back in - excellent. Also your hair looks much better - I like the bits that are flicking up at the sides - it just helps shape your face - lovely!
Hope you are well,
Sonja.
I just went for my 3 month follow up on HRT this past Tuesday. I turned 55 years old this month as well. So far I am pleased with my changes considering I just started transitioning. I went full time (public) on Jan 1st 2018 at the Rose Bowl game of all places, and I haven't dressed like a man at all since. Oddly I haven't been mis-gendered at all during interactive conversations with sales people, or people face to face in general. However I worry that is just people being nice. So that is the reason I decided to post to this thread. I want to see if I am really passing, or are people just being nice. Thanks to all of you on this site for inspiration. Skylar(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/8fc64c796946b5cb16fa0b6ceb8419e4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/eb175ee03d21bd8c47182482559f6ece.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/c2ccd2fc69aeab5488ac7e0f85d5bd9d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/278dc3c07e29a8d74cf2f4d6cff9612c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/93d626203033f777e7247b825ef055ce.jpg)
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Quote from: Sonja on February 20, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
@Lucca
Hi Lucca - sorry for the delay, got a new job - so busy busy. The new photos definitely show improvement in for getting more shape in your waste/hips etc and its clever overlapping your legs to pull your shape back in - excellent. Also your hair looks much better - I like the bits that are flicking up at the sides - it just helps shape your face - lovely!
Hope you are well,
Sonja.
Hey, thanks! Yeah, I really like both this skirt and this top. The top especially, it's actually large enough in the shoulders and long enough in the sleeves that it doesn't cling too closely, plus the thumbhole sleeves help make my hands look smaller, I think.
Quote from: LadySkylarThomasMTF on February 21, 2019, 07:26:19 AM
I just went for my 3 month follow up on HRT this past Tuesday. I turned 55 years old this month as well. So far I am pleased with my changes considering I just started transitioning. I went full time (public) on Jan 1st 2018 at the Rose Bowl game of all places, and I haven't dressed like a man at all since. Oddly I haven't been mis-gendered at all during interactive conversations with sales people, or people face to face in general. However I worry that is just people being nice. So that is the reason I decided to post to this thread. I want to see if I am really passing, or are people just being nice. Thanks to all of you on this site for inspiration. Skylar
Congratulations on three months of HRT and almost two months of full-time. You are beautiful, and have a gorgeous smile, so it is not surprising that you are getting gendered correctly.
In your face-on shots, you are totally passable. The shot that shows a partial profile does show your nose and brows enough to make people wonder if they already have a reason to suspect you are trans, but not enough to make them sure.
Quote from: LadySkylarThomasMTF on February 21, 2019, 07:26:19 AM
I just went for my 3 month follow up on HRT this past Tuesday. I turned 55 years old this month as well. So far I am pleased with my changes considering I just started transitioning. I went full time (public) on Jan 1st 2018 at the Rose Bowl game of all places, and I haven't dressed like a man at all since. Oddly I haven't been mis-gendered at all during interactive conversations with sales people, or people face to face in general. However I worry that is just people being nice. So that is the reason I decided to post to this thread. I want to see if I am really passing, or are people just being nice. Thanks to all of you on this site for inspiration. Skylar(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/8fc64c796946b5cb16fa0b6ceb8419e4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/eb175ee03d21bd8c47182482559f6ece.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/c2ccd2fc69aeab5488ac7e0f85d5bd9d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/278dc3c07e29a8d74cf2f4d6cff9612c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/93d626203033f777e7247b825ef055ce.jpg)
I think you look great, Skylar. It's no wonder you're getting gendered correctly. You look very much like one of my neighbor ladies and she's a cutie.
Stephanie
Quote from: KathyLauren on February 21, 2019, 08:47:29 AM
Congratulations on three months of HRT and almost two months of full-time. You are beautiful, and have a gorgeous smile, so it is not surprising that you are getting gendered correctly.
In your face-on shots, you are totally passable. The shot that shows a partial profile does show your nose and brows enough to make people wonder if they already have a reason to suspect you are trans, but not enough to make them sure.
Thank you for your feedback. I was honestly a little surprised about the comment on my eyebrows because I get them threaded regularly. I guess it's time to see my lady TODAY lol. I do see now at that angle my nose is a give away. In my mind I think I totally look masculine anyway, especially from the side. However I'm hoping as more time passes on hrt it will change even more. Thangs again KathyLauren.
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Quote from: Steph2.0 on February 21, 2019, 09:23:59 AM
I think you look great, Skylar. It's no wonder you're getting gendered correctly. You look very much like one of my neighbor ladies and she's a cutie.
Stephanie
Thank you so much for the kind words Steph. That was very sweet.
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Quote from: LadySkylarThomasMTF on February 21, 2019, 07:26:19 AM
I just went for my 3 month follow up on HRT this past Tuesday. I turned 55 years old this month as well. So far I am pleased with my changes considering I just started transitioning. I went full time (public) on Jan 1st 2018 at the Rose Bowl game of all places, and I haven't dressed like a man at all since. Oddly I haven't been mis-gendered at all during interactive conversations with sales people, or people face to face in general. However I worry that is just people being nice. So that is the reason I decided to post to this thread. I want to see if I am really passing, or are people just being nice. Thanks to all of you on this site for inspiration. Skylar(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/8fc64c796946b5cb16fa0b6ceb8419e4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/eb175ee03d21bd8c47182482559f6ece.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/c2ccd2fc69aeab5488ac7e0f85d5bd9d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/278dc3c07e29a8d74cf2f4d6cff9612c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/93d626203033f777e7247b825ef055ce.jpg)
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Love the tattoos!
Quote from: AoifeB on February 21, 2019, 01:11:52 PM
Love the tattoos!
Awww, thank you very much. I cover them more now than I used to because some people may think they're masculine. My left arm from my shoulder to my wrist is Asian influenced art, which I happen to like a lot. It's just a dragon that wraps around my arm. On my right arm I have a guitar (because I play), Eddie from Iron Maiden (huge Maiden fan), a scene of an attack by paratroopers (I was a paratrooper in the U.S Army), and a Las Vegas tribute to the Oct 1st harvest festival shooting, because I live in Las Vegas. My wife and I actually canceled our plans that night to attend that concert with our friends who did go, but we were leaving for Florida soon so decided last minute not to go. Anyway people might think they're masculine but they do have sentimental meaning to me.
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Quote from: Steph2.0 on February 21, 2019, 09:23:59 AM
I think you look great, Skylar. It's no wonder you're getting gendered correctly. You look very much like one of my neighbor ladies and she's a cutie.
Stephanie
I was thinking you look very much like another woman I know. To my eye, the face is totally woman. I actually like the brows. They aren't bushy and they are well-shaped. As for the nose, I have a ton of Italian and Argentinian women friends whose noses would provide shade for multiple people. And they are just plain beautiful. Just like you, actually...
To my eye, the incongruity is the shape of the body, which does not look overly female. The right choices in clothes would change that instantaneously. Then it's just your movement and voice, which we can see here. ;D (Holy Cow! We have a lot to work on, don't we???)
Kate
Quote from: KatieP on February 21, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
I was thinking you look very much like another woman I know. To my eye, the face is totally woman. I actually like the brows. They aren't bushy and they are well-shaped. As for the nose, I have a ton of Italian and Argentinian women friends whose noses would provide shade for multiple people. And they are just plain beautiful. Just like you, actually...
To my eye, the incongruity is the shape of the body, which does not look overly female. The right choices in clothes would change that instantaneously. Then it's just your movement and voice, which we can see here. ;D (Holy Cow! We have a lot to work on, don't we???)
Kate
Thank you for the kind words Kate.
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Browsed through this forum for a while, just dying to know I guess what others think of me; since I've
never asked anyone else. Also this is the first time I've gotten my picture taken in about 10 years haha.
(https://i.imgur.com/4ISbclO.jpg)
I think my bathroom lights are too bright, lol. I also haven't "tried" to make myself appear more feminine, other
than letting my hair grow out a little.
(https://i.imgur.com/qnleqhX.jpg)
Heres another one, I tried to smile a little, also my hair is always a mess, lol. Also wearing my glasses, I don't like
glasses but wearing contacts gets annoying some days. Not sure if glasses are a plus or minus, I have gotten
compliments about my glasses so I don't know.
Quote from: Kitten23 on February 24, 2019, 09:22:22 AM
Browsed through this forum for a while, just dying to know I guess what others think of me; since I've
never asked anyone else. Also this is the first time I've gotten my picture taken in about 10 years haha.
(https://i.imgur.com/4ISbclO.jpg)
I think my bathroom lights are too bright, lol. I also haven't "tried" to make myself appear more feminine, other
than letting my hair grow out a little.
You could, and a smile would make that even better! The hairdo is a trifle on the uncared for side, but I think you could pass, you just have to learn to appear feminine. It I not only the looks, it is the entire presentation that makes you fit!
Welcome to Susan's Place Kitten23. Looking at your picture, I think you have a pretty good start however you need to do something with the beard shadow. You might want to look at hair removal (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,81.0.html) to learn about the various ways of removing facial hair. As dark as your beard appears, you might be able to use laser but if not, electrolysis will work. Unfortunately it is time consuming and if you need to do electrolysis, you will need about 3 days growth before treatment. It's rather difficult to pass if you have to grow your hair out so I suggest you start as soon as possible.
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Thank you for your replies. Yes the facial hair is a huge issue, I have started laser but on my upper body. I did have a few treatments on my face but the treatment times were too far apart for it to work well for my face since I go every 8 weeks. The place I go to get my laser done is over 2 hours away so going up there that often would take too much gas for me to afford sadly. For me getting rid of this awful body hair would make me feel better, and then once its gone start on my face; since I had alot of body hair. Good news is about half of it is gone so far so im very happy with the results so far. One day I may try makeup, to cover up the beard shadow, until I can start laser/electro on my face; but im afraid of how ill be looked at if its really noticeable, also i'm not that smart so I assume i'll look like a clown for a while hehe
I think if you grew out your hair the beard shadow would be less noticeable. It may be more manageable if it gets longer.
Quote from: Kitten23 on February 24, 2019, 09:22:22 AM
Browsed through this forum for a while, just dying to know I guess what others think of me; since I've
never asked anyone else. Also this is the first time I've gotten my picture taken in about 10 years haha.
Yes. Most women keep their hair tidy. Long and tidy hair may make you look more feminine. You may use hair treatments after shampooing for tidier hair: https://www.totalbeauty.com/content/gallery/best-hair-treatments
For facial hairs, you may try Tria home laser, which worked greatly for me about 5 years ago (I no longer shave).
For eye glasses, you may try a laser correction such as Lasik or Lasek. As I know, they becomes far more safer nowadays.
barbie~~
Ok it's been a while and I think I've made progress, though the swelling from my FFS six weeks ago is still pretty significant. After now 12 laser sessions (last on 12/26/18), the blue is nearly gone, mostly just on the upper lip these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/587fa8e0b1348f074d2a3b75098980dc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/d90b16dbba558a9ad92f5100ecfc23e2.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/cecef37923b037d5e261ea962a762dcf.jpg)
And my "I'm working on the car on the lift, don't bother me and oh by the way I don't want to be doing this" look lol. Couldn't find my clear safety glasses.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/3ed8d9ba5a88d1e3c7570b1fceaeb070.jpg)
Quote from: Kitten23 on February 24, 2019, 01:28:49 PM
Thank you for your replies. Yes the facial hair is a huge issue, I have started laser but on my upper body. I did have a few treatments on my face but the treatment times were too far apart for it to work well for my face since I go every 8 weeks. The place I go to get my laser done is over 2 hours away so going up there that often would take too much gas for me to afford sadly. For me getting rid of this awful body hair would make me feel better, and then once its gone start on my face; since I had alot of body hair. Good news is about half of it is gone so far so im very happy with the results so far. One day I may try makeup, to cover up the beard shadow, until I can start laser/electro on my face; but im afraid of how ill be looked at if its really noticeable, also i'm not that smart so I assume i'll look like a clown for a while hehe
Many people have had a great reduction of body hair when they start HRT. Unfortunately facial hair doesn't respond the same way so the normal approach is to start on facial hair then attack body hair if it doesn't respond to HRT.
Quote from: jill610 on February 24, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Ok it's been a while and I think I've made progress, though the swelling from my FFS six weeks ago is still pretty significant. After now 12 laser sessions (last on 12/26/18), the blue is nearly gone, mostly just on the upper lip these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/587fa8e0b1348f074d2a3b75098980dc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/d90b16dbba558a9ad92f5100ecfc23e2.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/cecef37923b037d5e261ea962a762dcf.jpg)
And my "I'm working on the car on the lift, don't bother me and oh by the way I don't want to be doing this" look lol. Couldn't find my clear safety glasses.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/3ed8d9ba5a88d1e3c7570b1fceaeb070.jpg)
You look amazing and you give me hope for my future.
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Quote from: Andie1963 on February 24, 2019, 04:44:42 PM
You look amazing and you give me hope for my future.
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Thank you, there is always hope!
Without optimism and a good sense of humor and ability to laugh at myself, I'm afraid I would have given up a long time ago.
Quote from: jill610 on February 24, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Ok it's been a while and I think I've made progress, though the swelling from my FFS six weeks ago is still pretty significant. After now 12 laser sessions (last on 12/26/18), the blue is nearly gone, mostly just on the upper lip these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/587fa8e0b1348f074d2a3b75098980dc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/d90b16dbba558a9ad92f5100ecfc23e2.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/cecef37923b037d5e261ea962a762dcf.jpg)
And my "I'm working on the car on the lift, don't bother me and oh by the way I don't want to be doing this" look lol. Couldn't find my clear safety glasses.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/3ed8d9ba5a88d1e3c7570b1fceaeb070.jpg)
I always liked the way you look. I don't know how to say it, but your look appeals to me, specifically the way you look in that lilac colored top.
Quote from: jill610 on February 24, 2019, 05:01:31 PM
Thank you, there is always hope!
Without optimism and a good sense of humor and ability to laugh at myself, I'm afraid I would have given up a long time ago.
So happy for you that you never gave up, you are just very beautiful and again, you give me hope
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Quote from: Dietlind on February 24, 2019, 05:09:44 PM
I always liked the way you look. i don't know ho to say it, but you look appeals to me, specifically the way you look in that lilac colored top.
Thank you! Purple and Blue hues make up the majority of my wardrobe these day, so glad for the feedback that it's working. I still have a tough time shopping by myself.
Quote from: Kitten23 on February 24, 2019, 01:28:49 PM
but im afraid of how ill be looked at if its really noticeable, also i'm not that smart so I assume i'll look like a clown for a while hehe
One thing you have to learn if you want to become a confident woman,
you never put yourself down!
Because when you put yourself down, it ill become a self fulfilling prophecy, and people will start to look at you as if you are not smart!
You are a very smart person, because you were able to analyze your feelings, and started to act to them! None of us were born with makeup skills, we all had to lern them. Start learning, watch youtube videos, ask a female friend to help you, but don't you ever say again that you are not smart!
Quote from: Dietlind on February 24, 2019, 05:16:07 PM
One thing you have to learn if you want to become a confident woman, you never put yourself down!
Because when you put yourself down, it ill become a self fulfilling prophecy, and people will start to look at you as if you are not smart!
You are a very smart person, because you were able to analyze your feelings, and started to act to them! None of us were born with makeup skills, we all had to lern them. Start learning, watch youtube videos, ask a female friend to help you, but don't you ever say again that you are not smart!
Good advice here.
YouTube is a great resource, though in the same way instagram is. I still can't get those holiday treats to look quite right...
Quote from: jill610 on February 24, 2019, 05:15:04 PM
Thank you! Purple and Blue hues make up the majority of my wardrobe these day, so glad for the feedback that it's working. I still have a tough time shopping by myself.
You will learn that over time. I am working on that all my adult life already. My wife took me along as her shopping buddy I seem to have a sixth sense for what fits together (maybe another trade of intersex?). But once in a while it really helps to have another person along, who is willing to be critical and say that something looks horrible on me!
So, just hang in there!
Quote from: Dietlind on February 24, 2019, 05:22:15 PM
You will learn that over time. I am working on that all my adult life already. My wife took me along as her shopping buddy I seem to have a sixth sense for what fits together (maybe another trade of intersex?). But once in a while it really helps to have another person along, who is willing to be critical and say that something looks horrible on me!
So, just hang in there!
It's funny, I can dress everyone else but me! Thanks for the encouragement.
It may be that you look too closely at yourself looking for flaws that most people would never notice.
You are more concerned with the general impression your clothes give.
I have a button up cardigan that lies perfectly flat when fully buttoned up. I think most people wouldn't notice.
Quote from: jill610 on February 24, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Ok it's been a while and I think I've made progress, though the swelling from my FFS six weeks ago is still pretty significant. After now 12 laser sessions (last on 12/26/18), the blue is nearly gone, mostly just on the upper lip these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/587fa8e0b1348f074d2a3b75098980dc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/d90b16dbba558a9ad92f5100ecfc23e2.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/cecef37923b037d5e261ea962a762dcf.jpg)
And my "I'm working on the car on the lift, don't bother me and oh by the way I don't want to be doing this" look lol. Couldn't find my clear safety glasses.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/3ed8d9ba5a88d1e3c7570b1fceaeb070.jpg)
Absolutely....you look cute totally girlie....the girl next door
Quote from: jill610 on February 24, 2019, 02:08:40 PM
Ok it's been a while and I think I've made progress, though the swelling from my FFS six weeks ago is still pretty significant. After now 12 laser sessions (last on 12/26/18), the blue is nearly gone, mostly just on the upper lip these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/587fa8e0b1348f074d2a3b75098980dc.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/d90b16dbba558a9ad92f5100ecfc23e2.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/cecef37923b037d5e261ea962a762dcf.jpg)
And my "I'm working on the car on the lift, don't bother me and oh by the way I don't want to be doing this" look lol. Couldn't find my clear safety glasses.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190224/3ed8d9ba5a88d1e3c7570b1fceaeb070.jpg)
The picture on the upper right, in the gray T-shirt: You look so totally feminine on that picture! Total, 100% Pass and beyond.
Cute. Attitude. Sexy.
No male anywhere in that picture.
Really fabulous.
Kate
Quote from: Kitten23 on February 24, 2019, 09:22:22 AM
Browsed through this forum for a while, just dying to know I guess what others think of me; since I've
never asked anyone else. Also this is the first time I've gotten my picture taken in about 10 years haha.
(https://i.imgur.com/4ISbclO.jpg)
I think my bathroom lights are too bright, lol. I also haven't "tried" to make myself appear more feminine, other
than letting my hair grow out a little.
(https://i.imgur.com/qnleqhX.jpg)
Heres another one, I tried to smile a little, also my hair is always a mess, lol. Also wearing my glasses, I don't like
glasses but wearing contacts gets annoying some days. Not sure if glasses are a plus or minus, I have gotten
compliments about my glasses so I don't know.
I rarely post in this thread but I could not help myself. Just the title of the thread alone opens up an entire pandora's box of discussion topics.
Admittedly I am a hypocrite about passing. I do not deny it. On one hand I want to pass because I want to be percieved as a woman on the other hand there are so many issues with wanting to pass. Is it because we don't want people to know we are trans? If so then why? It's who we are, if we feel no shame then why do we not want people to know.
And yet I have done electrolysis - I get my hair colored every 6 weeks. When I put my makeup on every morning I want it to look good and be thought of as feminine. And yet cis women do the same thing.
I guess the healthy way to look at it is - 'do I look presentable'? To me it is even more important for me as a transwoman. Hypocritical? Yeah sure - but I admitted that upfront. ;D
Regarding your appearance Kitten I think you have a lot of good stuff going for you. As others have said - work on your hair - length alone does not equal feminine, some eye makeup would be great for you. Your eyes are well shaped draw attention to that. If you can't afford or don't want electrolysis at this time find a good foundation / concealer for the beard. You may have to try several before finding the right one.
You have a lot of good stuff going on - you just need to utilize it. Just like a cis-woman does too.
But also ask yourself WHY do I want to pass? I think that is as important or more important question than do I pass?
Quote from: KimOct on April 05, 2019, 10:51:21 PM
And yet I have done electrolysis - I get my hair colored every 6 weeks. When I put my makeup on every morning I want it to look good and be thought of as feminine. And yet cis women do the same thing.
I guess the healthy way to look at it is - 'do I look presentable'? To me it is even more important for me as a transwoman.
I am very much like you Kim, I want to look as good as I possibly can when I leave my house. But I do not differ much in this from many cis women, after all, makeup was invented and developed for them, not for us trans women!
For the same reason I want to have my hair done nice, and wear nice clothing, I simply want to look good!
Longer hair helps to make it is easier to have nice looking do with it, and make up is also made to use it on once face and eyes.
Kitten 23, I think you have quite some potential to look very nice, but you have to do something with it!
Thoughts on this?
(https://i.imgur.com/uHOMGTf.jpg)
Quote from: Shambles on April 10, 2019, 02:41:15 PM
Thoughts on this?
(https://i.imgur.com/uHOMGTf.jpg)
Pretty cool looking lady in that picture!
Wanne go on a date with me?
Quote from: Shambles on April 10, 2019, 02:41:15 PM
Thoughts on this?
(https://i.imgur.com/uHOMGTf.jpg)
Only one thought: Wow!
Great job!
Kate
Six months or so since beginning HRT(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/158f9d6e302cce6677fc9da0aeb590ea.jpg)
Was willing to place a face pic of myself here, but then realized that others who are not actual members
can still see all posts regardless if they cannot post themselves. Just take privacy seriously, especially online. x
Quote from: Josie_L on April 11, 2019, 09:01:57 AM
Was willing to place a face pic of myself here, but then realized that others who are not actual members
can still see all posts regardless if they cannot post themselves. Just take privacy seriously, especially online. x
It's a great point.
And, have you ever gone out in public dressed the way you might be in the picture? If so, anyone could have taken a picture of you and posted it on the Internet. Since your name here is not your actual name, the search to find you would have to rely on facial recognition in both cases. And, in both cases, it would be a tough find...
And, safe is much better than sorry...
Kate
You can also post a link to a picture on an image service that is only accessible for a short time.
Hello everybody, this is my first post.
I've known of this site for a long time, and have used it as a resource for some time now, even before beginning my transition. Only now have I worked up the courage to join.
I'm 28, and I guess you could say I've been transitioning in earnest since November, that was when I started my HRT. But, out of fear (I live in an extremely small, extremely conservative Southern town), I haven't begun the next steps in my transition until just lately. Nature forced my hand: Things are changing physically, and fast. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it caught me off guard. I figured I'd have more time to prepare.
On to the point of the topic. Up until very, very recently I've been terrified of makeup, the clothes, etc, because I really don't feel I pass very well yet. I've been watching a lot of tutorials the last week or so that have helped out tremendously with the makeup. Physically, I just have to wait for things to run their course.
Anyway, outside opinions are always welcome. What do you ladies think?
(https://oi788.photobucket.com/albums/yy162/Malikarcanum/IMG_0066_zpsie9kdwgs.jpg)
This is like my third time doing my own makeup. The first few times I ended up looking like a drag queen (too much RuPaul, lol), whick while fine, wasn't the goal. This time I played it simple. I also didn't do anything with my hair. It's so curly it's just losing battle. Was trying to grow it back out, but it just constantly a pain. Probably gonna go for a Pink-esque faux-hawk or something soon.
EDIT. Well, the image wouldn't work, cause I'm new I guess, so here's a link:
https://s788.photobucket.com/user/Malikarcanum/media/IMG_0066_zpsie9kdwgs.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5
Quote from: AoifeB on April 11, 2019, 12:19:06 AM
Six months or so since beginning HRT(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/158f9d6e302cce6677fc9da0aeb590ea.jpg)
Definitely passing, Very pretty, you have nothing to worry about ;D
Quote from: AoifeB on April 11, 2019, 12:19:06 AM
Six months or so since beginning HRT(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/158f9d6e302cce6677fc9da0aeb590ea.jpg)
Amazing....those big eyes and lips...... yes I think so 😊
First time i've ever worn makeup, I let my mom put it on for me, what does everyone think?
Also I started LHR on my face again, I have less expenses in other areas now, so I can afford it now
(https://i.imgur.com/wzXVCKi.jpg)
Quote from: Kitten23 on April 12, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
First time i've ever worn makeup, I let my mom put it on for me, what does everyone think?
Also I started LHR on my face again, I have less expenses in other areas now, so I can afford it now
Mom did a great job! Now smile, you look really good! And congratulations on re-starting the hair removal. It takes a while, is not comfortable, but is SO worth it in the long run.
Quote from: Kitten23 on April 12, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
First time i've ever worn makeup, I let my mom put it on for me, what does everyone think?
Also I started LHR on my face again, I have less expenses in other areas now, so I can afford it now
(https://i.imgur.com/wzXVCKi.jpg)
Can I borrow your mom to do my makeup?
You look beautiful, just a little more smiling to be a real pretty looking, friendly girl!
Quote from: LaRae on April 11, 2019, 09:58:59 PM
Hello everybody, this is my first post.
I've known of this site for a long time, and have used it as a resource for some time now, even before beginning my transition. Only now have I worked up the courage to join.
I'm 28, and I guess you could say I've been transitioning in earnest since November, that was when I started my HRT. But, out of fear (I live in an extremely small, extremely conservative Southern town), I haven't begun the next steps in my transition until just lately. Nature forced my hand: Things are changing physically, and fast. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it caught me off guard. I figured I'd have more time to prepare.
On to the point of the topic. Up until very, very recently I've been terrified of makeup, the clothes, etc, because I really don't feel I pass very well yet. I've been watching a lot of tutorials the last week or so that have helped out tremendously with the makeup. Physically, I just have to wait for things to run their course.
Hi LaRae :icon_wave:
Welcome to Susan's Place :) Glad to have you here, join on in the fun
How about stopping by our Introductions (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,8.0.html) Forum and introducing yourself so more folks can get to know you a bit better ;)
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Quote from: Kitten23 on April 12, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
First time i've ever worn makeup, I let my mom put it on for me, what does everyone think?
Also I started LHR on my face again, I have less expenses in other areas now, so I can afford it now
(https://i.imgur.com/wzXVCKi.jpg)
Wonderful ....lucky you 😊
Quote from: Shambles on April 10, 2019, 02:41:15 PM
Thoughts on this?
(https://i.imgur.com/uHOMGTf.jpg)
Looking great Joanna - cute & mysterious! lol
Take care,
Sonja
This was taken the same week as my Susan's profile picture. I was in Las Vegas. I was going to work out in the hotel gym. My real hair still needs to grow.
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/58118-120419202822.jpeg)
Julie
Quote from: Julie -2010 on April 12, 2019, 08:31:46 PM
This was taken the same week as my Susan's profile picture. I was in Las Vegas. I was going to work out in the hotel gym. My real hair still needs to grow.
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/58118-120419202822.jpeg)
Julie
You look GREAT!!! Both in avatar picture and going to the gym...
(But there is a flamingo climbing out of your head. It must be irritating... ;D )
Kate
Quote from: Julie -2010 on April 12, 2019, 08:31:46 PM
This was taken the same week as my Susan's profile picture. I was in Las Vegas. I was going to work out in the hotel gym. My real hair still needs to grow.
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/0/58118-120419202822.jpeg)
Julie
Julie, I just love your new avatar but I would never have recognized the photo you posted. I asked Deb who it was and she stared for a minute and the saw you in it.
See you in a couple of weeks girl but you may need to come up and visit us, not sure when I will be comfortable being out and about.
Tia Anne
Quote from: KatieP on April 13, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
You look GREAT!!! Both in avatar picture and going to the gym...
(But there is a flamingo climbing out of your head. It must be irritating... ;D )
Kate
Kate, Thanks. Its that early morning bed hair. Unfortunately mine looks like a flamingo, and it is irritating. LOL.
Tia, Just let me know the date and time and I'll be at your house. Can't wait to see you two. Rest up!!
Julie
First wig ever today. And a tiny bit of makeup.
I know about my eyebrows, but otherwise, how am I?
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